Obenberger get in the gun thread, you just got owned by me

[My Fucking Traffic]

50 stars and 13 bars equals 'Merica!

[SleazyDream]

Originally Posted by venusgal

Yeah actually it does. Stings a little bit knowing that doesn't it?

keep telling yourself that.....

[SleazyDream]

Originally Posted by Supz

Justin Bieber is Canadian


/thread

outch, that's low. really low ;(

I mean, couldn't you just call me fat or something?
or kill a family member?
maybe nuke a Canadian city (something in Quebec preferably)

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

seriously, do you have ANY idea how many troops were involved from all the countries in WW2?


or do you think the world just revolves around America? WW2 went on for years before America even got involved.

yes, i do know. the war went on for 2 years before we entered in 1941 and ended 4 years after we joined.

while russia certainly dominated the casualty list, american casualties were ~450,000 v great britain, for instance, at ~550, 000.

and back to your original comment that we played a small part, you do not realize we stopped japanese expansion.

[My Fucking Traffic]

Originally Posted by Supz

Justin Bieber is Canadian


/thread

Don't forget Celine Dion, Nickelback and Avril Lavigne

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

The USA puts huge political pressure on foreign nations to deal with drug problems the seep into the USA through it's borders. Don't like having the same thing brought back in your face?

If it's possible to ban automatic weapons in the USA without changing the constitution, then it's possible to ban semi auto the same way. don't care if it's a state or federal level, just fix the problem.

I apologize if I missed your link, and I'll reserve the standard idiot comment for your reply me here...so take heart, you've started to give an intelligent answer but it's not done yet.....

look, let me put it another way, i'm not against you. you raised a valid concern, i wasn't aware of it prior, but obviously, canada has a gun smuggling problem. we have relaed gun laws here and until something specifically challenges that at the sc level, we are all stuck with it like it or not. i can't change that, you can't change that. congress can't change it. just like abortion, roe v. wade, like it or not, the sc tells us what the rule is.

so, in all seriousness, i would think the easiest and best way for canada to deal with it, is to better secure your borders.

[SleazyDream]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

yes, i do know. the war went on for 2 years before we entered in 1941 and ended 4 years after we joined.

while russia certainly dominated the casualty list, american casualties were ~450,000 v great britain, for instance, at ~550, 000.

and back to your original comment that we played a small part, you do not realize we stopped japanese expansion.

I never said the USA didn't play a part, just that it didn't have the majority of troops involved

Japan wasn't the only aggressor in WW2...

[SleazyDream]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

look, let me put it another way, i'm not against you. you raised a valid concern, i wasn't aware of it prior, but obviously, canada has a gun smuggling problem. we have relaed gun laws here and until something specifically challenges that at the sc level, we are all stuck with it like it or not. i can't change that, you can't change that. congress can't change it. just like abortion, roe v. wade, like it or not, the sc tells us what the rule is.

so, in all seriousness, i would think the easiest and best way for canada to deal with it, is to better secure your borders.

it's impossible to totally secure any border, the drug problem in the USA proves that

[SleazyDream]

Originally Posted by venusgal

Don't forget Celine Dion, Nickelback and Avril Lavigne

I've fucked uglier than Celine
I can listen to Nickelback, sometimes,......
and Avril's cool and hot,

but the Bieber thing, that was just low.........

[SleazyDream]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

look, let me put it another way, i'm not against you. you raised a valid concern, i wasn't aware of it prior, but obviously, canada has a gun smuggling problem. we have relaed gun laws here and until something specifically challenges that at the sc level, we are all stuck with it like it or not. i can't change that, you can't change that. congress can't change it. just like abortion, roe v. wade, like it or not, the sc tells us what the rule is.

so, in all seriousness, i would think the easiest and best way for canada to deal with it, is to better secure your borders.

I ask this though, how are automatic weapons illegal in the USA if the constitution says you have the right to hold and bear arms?

it makes me think there is a way within existing legislation to ban semi auto and handguns............as it HAS been done for automatic weapons

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

I ask this though, how are automatic weapons illegal in the USA if the constitution says you have the right to hold and bear arms?

it makes me think there is a way within existing legislation to do this............as it HAS been done for automatic weapons

i'm not an expert by any stretch, but i do try and read original rulings as opposed to just rely on a reporter's view......i will put this in my own words, let's see if it makes sense.

the amendment codifies the freedom AND regulates the use. a "well-regulated" militia has the right to bear arms.......the sc has defined "arms" to be whatever weapons are commonly used in public at the time the sc is making the decision, that's the regulation. we can't own nuclear bombs or automatic weapons (exceptions apply),....


BUT they have left the door open to decide semi-auto, they just have to wait for a case re: that to come to their jurisdiction.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

I never said the USA didn't play a part, just that it didn't have the majority of troops involved

Japan wasn't the only aggressor in WW2...

i hear ya, nevertheless, for you and me, the u.s. kicking ass in the pacific had far greater consequences for us than the war in europe. the japanese at the time had big plans!

[Supz]

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

I've fucked uglier than Celine
I can listen to Nickelback, sometimes,......
and Avril's cool and hot,

but the Bieber thing, that was just low.........

Sounds like you have bieber fever.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by venusgal

[My Fucking Traffic]

Ran outside in a sleeveless tuxedo. Stone Cold titty twistered my terrorist decoy, stood over its crippled corpse and whispered, "Merica."

[My Fucking Traffic]

Saw a gal pretendin' her kid's spoon was a jetplane. Karate chopped it and said, "This ain't no terrorist trainin' camp, it's Merica bitch."

[My Fucking Traffic]

This is Merica. We ain't Mericants, we're Mericans.

[My Fucking Traffic]

Went outside gettin' all bucknasty with my chainsaw. Blowed the husky neighbor a kiss, gave her a beef jerky coupon and whispered, "Merica."

[SleazyDream]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i hear ya, nevertheless, for you and me, the u.s. kicking ass in the pacific had far greater consequences for us than the war in europe. the japanese at the time had big plans!

so did the germans, and the Soviets gave up more lives than anyone else stopping those. Without them, that would have been American and Canadian lives lost

[SleazyDream]

Originally Posted by Supz

Sounds like you have bieber fever.

That is seriously low. Like worse than calling the IRS on you and telling then you cheat on your taxes low.


do you have any shame?

[SleazyDream]

venusgal, on crack......... see above

[nico-t]

Making a thread because you "owned" someone in another thread. It doesn't get more pathetic than this.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by JFK

Twinkies is the answer

Twinkies are always the answer.

Originally Posted by arock10

How often are these people looking to steal versus kill? I'd say stealing is 98% the motive.

I don't know the actual numbers, but lets say it is 98%. That means 2% had better be armed and ready to gun someone down. I would rather be prepared in the event I ended up being part of that 2%.

Originally Posted by arock10

If you are armed with a gun you force them into using theirs, good chance you end up shot

Depends on the person really. If you are well trained with a weapon and can keep your cool under pressure, the intruder won't have a chance to use his weapon.

If someone comes into my home, I'm not giving a warning message or warning shot. They just get shot. Assuming I hear them enter, and I probably would because it would be quite a feat to even get into my place, then he'll get his as soon as he gets inside.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

idiot, read what I've been saying

Sorry, I'm not going to read what Canadians have to say about USA gun law / USA gun issues. The only reason this thread peaked my interest is because of Obenberger.

When I want to talk about Canadian pork or Avril Lavigne, I'll be sure to let you know.

[tony286]

If it wasnt for the russians, all of europe would be speaking german. Over 23 million russians died in military actons in world war 2.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by DWB

Another simple one.

The guy who is going to break into your home (for reasons unknown) will probably have a firearm. If you are unlucky enough to be there during that time, have a firearm and know how to use it, you greatly increase your odds of surviving the incident.

Yes, it is possible you could throw pots, pans and Twinkies at him, but that will only increase his odds of survival and greatly reduce yours.

the overwhelming majority of home break and enter suspects are not armed. you buy into the fear and hype presented by gun nuts like the nra.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

name one state where a person can own a fully automatic weapon without getting serious permits and such.

you're splitting hairs. full auto is illegial most everywhere in the USA even though you are allowed them in the constitution... semi auto CAN be banned as well in the same way

You are saying they are banned. They are not. You simply apply for a class III federal permit, pertaining to that one particular firearm seriel number. There is a 6 month background check, and then you are issued a permit for that particular weapons system, and you then complete the purchase. It happens all the time, my local gunsmith sells a couple per month, and I see them all the time at several of the local ranges that allow them. I know for sure that it is this way in at least 32 of the 50 states. So I repeat, you are wrong, they are not banned.


Seriously Scott. Your information on this subject is really flawed.
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[SleazyDream]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

You are saying they are banned. They are not. You simply apply for a class III federal permit, pertaining to that one particular firearm seriel number. There is a 6 month background check, and then you are issued a permit for that particular weapons system, and you then complete the purchase. It happens all the time, my local gunsmith sells a couple per month, and I see them all the time at several of the local ranges that allow them. I know for sure that it is this way in at least 32 of the 50 states. So I repeat, you are wrong, they are not banned.


Seriously Scott. Your information on this subject is really flawed.
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you're splitting hairs. they are highly restricted, same shit as banning them. if you restrict the hell out of a firearm it's the same result, the vast majority of people can't or won't get them because it requires effort.

no different than getting a handgun as a civilian in canada. Highly restricted. You can only use them in certain places, you can only transport them to and from the shooting range, etc. it eliminates 99% of the problem and allows the few people who are die hard gun nuts that are also responsible to have their toys

it's about numbers, your gunsmith sells on or two a month, but how many other guns does he sell a month? 100, 200? 1000?

[SleazyDream]

Originally Posted by DWB

Depends on the person really. If you are well trained with a weapon and can keep your cool under pressure, the intruder won't have a chance to use his weapon.

If someone comes into my home, I'm not giving a warning message or warning shot. They just get shot. Assuming I hear them enter, and I probably would because it would be quite a feat to even get into my place, then he'll get his as soon as he gets inside.



Sorry, I'm not going to read what Canadians have to say about USA gun law / USA gun issues. The only reason this thread peaked my interest is because of Obenberger.
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sounds like NRA bullshit where the mentality is if you have a gun the bad guy always loses. That's just not the way it is, it's 50/50 in every circumstance when 2 guns are involved. You don't know if he has a partner, a bullet proof vest, etc etc etc. there is too many variables. think warfare, BOTH side have losses, both side have people die when there are guns on both sides. The NRA rarely tells people this little FACT when tsomeone is considering getting a gun for home protection.


and odenberger did a drive-by, he came in, made a comment that showed he doesn't know how to read or respond to a situation and what was really being asked in this thread, pretending to make himself look smart, and then left. When he was called on it, he didn't come back. If that's an example of his legal work, I feel sorry for every one of his clients.

[dyna mo]

sun-tzu from the art of war:

if your enemy is superior, evade him.

scenario: i'm asleep at 3am, 2 glasses of wine in me, groggily get woken up by an intruder with a plan and weapons....and the best plan of action is to face him head on in a gun battle?

no.

even paris knows that.

[CyberHustler]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

The artist who co-created Superman, Joe Shuster - was Canadian.

You want a cookie for that my nigga? The other co-creator was American, so you have to share it with a random American.