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Fair answer, but understand, I'm making NO arguments in favor of colonialism, and I'm a firm believer in the rights of people to throw off the rule of unwanted governance. You say I"m a "right-wing zealot", but what I am is a libertarian, and the first thing I believe in is freedom from big government, including freedom from right-winger government! It would be more correct to say that I'm "anti-statists".

In any case, I'm talking here about the man himself, and how he treated his fellow cubans, and his personal actions, as well as the cult of mis information about his activities and "talents". The US didn't "reap" anything. He didn't hurt the US at all, it made no difference to the Americans in any material way. He DID make a huge difference in the lives and the families of thousands of cubans.

You can just try google "crimes of che guevara", and then try to wade through layers of internet bullcrap....

....but if you truly interested, and want some REALLY well researched and referenced information, about a man that you admire so deeply, I would suggest "Exposing the Real Che Guevara", by Humberto Fontova.



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Nicolaus Copernicus
Galileo Galilei
Edwin Hubble
Jacques Cousteau
Richard Marcinko

Really hard to just pick five.

Klen

I need to figure out first what people i know to give proper answer

harvey

so you're saying millions of Cuban people who actually know who Guevara was are wrong but a CIA employee is a reliable source? wow.

See, while I'm sure there might have been excesses, there wasn't a single revolution in human history without violence and deaths. You may like it or not, it's just the way it is. And of course there will be family and relatives who will be mourning the killed people, no matter if they were bad or good people, mourning them is in human nature.

Now, you mention "Exposing the Real Che Guevara" as a reliable source. I have read the book and it's just nauseating CIA propaganda, but let's assume it's real so we can go to the next question: if Guevara was an evil crazy man killing everybody..... how was it possible to hunt him in Bolivia just because he didn't want to kill or kidnap any witnesses, which eventually led to his murder, as well as all his comrades? Something doesn't sound right here, the crazy murderer forgets he's crazy and a murderer and allows his captors to reach him. Please explain me the logic behind this, because I can't find any.

Finally, if Cuban people is so against Castro, Guevara or the revolution.... why they allow it? I don't know, Castro's guerrilla initially were 13 (thirteen) and they made a revolution. If this CIA "gusano" is right, how is it that several millions can overthrown this regime? Even further: how comes they show up their support by millions?

And how comes all the "sources" for Guevara, Castro or whoever crimes are always from the CIA? Just a coincidence? Isn't anybody else in the world that is not under CIA payroll a witness? Not even one?

Again, I'm sure there were excesses, but really, not even close to 1/10th of what US does any single month around the world. And let's be honest, they don't do it exactly to liberate anyone. You can blame Guevara as much as you want, but you can't say he got rich, not even powerful or anything: he resigned all positions, honors and even his own family to continue with his ideals in different countries of the world. You might agree with them or not, but I'm sure you won't find anything about him doing what he did for money or to steal anything to anyone. A pretty curious case of a "crazy looney murderer" if you ask me.

I don't know, maybe you should stop watching FAUX "news". I mean...

or maybe you can try and visit any country in Latin America or most of Africa and ask people what they think. You'll get surprised (keep in mind quite probably they won't be on CIA's payroll)

mineistaken

Smart list.

sperbonzo

Quite a few of the people that fled guavara and castro did work from time to time to help the CIA. South Florida is full of them. When you see friends and family killed for no reason, you are often willing to help any enemy of your enemy. Does that mean that they are all suddenly lying?
If you read it then did you also notice all of the references? There are pages and pages of them ranging from media around the world, to universities, to tons of direct interviews with witnesses
Perhaps you can't find any because events transpired differently than you are quoting....


Mao killed tens of millions of people, and yet somehow 100s of millions supported him....at least it seemed that way, didn't it? Stalin did the same thing, and yet their movements succeeded. Under gaurvara you were jailed or killed for having any dissenting opinion, (or having something that he wanted), so any people that may not have "loved" the guy had the choice of either shutting up and looking happy, or risking their lives to try to cross the ocean on a raft, (or be killed trying).
Again, I take you back to sourcing the witnesses as referenced in the book I mentioned, and also try living in South Florida among cubans that survived him. The ones I know never worked for the CIA and they will tell you stories that will make you want to weep and rage about Che's activities.

I completely agree with you. The US, and many many governments, are guilty of hideous crimes all over the world. This is way I don't put them down as "People I Most Admire". The OP did Che down as one though, and none of that changes what Che did.

Yup, I agree. He was a crazy bastard. I don't understand his motives, so I won't try to explain them.


This one made me chuckle. I'm pretty sure that none of the cable news networks has done a story about Che since he was DEAD LONG BEFORE THEY EXISTED. The first one, CNN didn't come around until I was like 28 years old, and Che was long dead already at that point. How old are you anyway?

Millions of people around the world believe that a nice sounding Jewish guy walked on water, brought people back to life and rose from the dead. I have no opinion one way or the other whether it actually happened, but I'm not willing to use their faith that it did, as proof of anything.

On the other hand I know people here in South Florida that were PERSONAL witnesses to him, THAT I will consider as evidence. Instead of talking to those millions of people that never met him, why not come here and speaking to the thousands that actually did?








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mineistaken

nice expose ^

Mutt

and YOU believe that a group of nomadic goat herders thousands of years ago were chosen by an omnipotent God in the sky to be the shining light for the rest of the world - burning bushes, parting seas, people living 1000 years, ark filled with two of each animal, flood that wiped out the entire world's population .........

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and when I say I admire Che Guevara, it's more about how large a life he led, how passionately he believed in his ideals, how compelling a figure he was and his charisma. he didn't live life the way 99.999% of us do, there were no compromises with him. Perhaps he was a borderline sociopath, more likely somebody who became blinded by a belief that he believed superseded any one person or any one million persons.

i feel the same way about religious people, i have more respect for fundamentalists than people who pick and choose what suits their lives from their holy scriptures. If the words in those scriptures are God's word, they mean the same today as they did two thousand years ago. Nowhere did God say to Jew, Christian or Muslim - "Feel free to modify my words as the years pass, they are just suggestions, a guide if you will. Good luck my children!"

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sperbonzo

Yes, (and no), but in any case, I'm not putting forward that belief as proof of anything; whereas harvey is putting forward the opinions of millions of people that never met Che, nor had to deal with him in Cuba, as proof of something..... Get it?



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1) Nikolai Tesla
2) Bruce Lee
3) Bill Gates
4) John Lennon
5) Nelson Mandela

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And of course Putin!