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x582 · 02-22-2003, 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by TeenGodFather

That brings it to a new level.
If I buy a set of pictures for the sole purpose of promoting a site.. should the site I will be promoting have a licence to MY pictures I use? By your logic, yes. They'll be making profit from pictures I have licensed.

ROFL! I like this sarcasm!

LadyMischief · 02-22-2003, 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by x582

the affiliate are not "doing" anything to this tgp page. they are only linking to it. it is on my servers and my domain and i have the control over it.

And essentially shooting yourself in the foot, because this devalues the content far more quickly than joe blow over here and joe blow over there using it here and there.. You are giving it that much more surfer exposure and therefore it has a shorter shelf-life. Not too fair to bite the hand that feeds you either, unless of course you plan on taking your own picutres anytime soon

Fletch XXX · 02-22-2003, 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by x582
It isn't a loophole.

A "hosted gallery", is the same thing as a "hosted paysite tour".

Even if its written in the license, i am sure it can be fought in court. You cannot discriminate who can link and who cannot link to your content. Well, i will have to check with my lawyer. A link is a link, that's it.

Heres the only thing that really matters in this thread.

When content providers get hip to this, and add 'No Hosted galleries' to their license, it will not matter.

Its true, it really is.

Nothing matters except the fact that content providers are against it. Nothing anyone can say to debate it, lawyers or not - doesn't matter. If content providers are against it and add it to their license under the 'DOn't do' column - can't say shit.

And as we see content providers have one by one shown their dislike for 'hosted galleries'

FATPad · 02-22-2003, 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Again it falls in a realm of responsibility. What you do with the images within the scope of the license is fine, as long as you are willing to take responsbility for the use of the images etc etc. You are promoting FOR them, they are not using the images, YOU are, therefore YOU are responsible for them and the license agreement is with YOU.

I don't understand this. You keep talking about responsibility.

I build a tour page and put two pics of some chick on it and let you link to my tour page.

I build a gallery wtih 10 pics of the same chicks and let you link to it.

How does responsibility for the use of the images factor into anything?

If you host the tour you are responsible for the images.

If you build a gallery page you are still responsible.

What's the difference?

x582 · 02-22-2003, 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by CosmicKitten
why would you use content to promote a paysite if you don't even know if they have those images inside?

would that not create chargeback issues?

damn this is getting too complicated now you guys

Please, 80% of the sites only uses feeds and a little bit of paid content. The chances are that the set you bought to promote this paysite will not be in the paysite.

LadyMischief · 02-22-2003, 12:02 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Heres the only thing that really matters in this thread.

When content providers get hip to this, and add 'No Hosted galleries' to their license, it will not matter.

Its true, it really is.

Nothing matters except the fact that content providers are against it. Nothing anyone can say to debate it, lawyers or not - doesn't matter. If content providers are against it and add it to their license under the 'DOn't do' column - can't say shit.

And as we see content providers have one by one shown their dislike for 'hosted galleries'

I have no problem with hosted galleries as long as I am properly compensated for the devaluing of the content for the resale to anyone else, OR they buy the set outright, all fine with me.

Having no hosted galleries in the license IS important for content providers who want to ensure this.

Jakke PNG · 02-22-2003, 12:02 PM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

And essentially shooting yourself in the foot,

Is that against most licences? Nope. I can shootmyself if I feel like it, might not be reasonable.. but I'm allowed to do it.

LadyMischief · 02-22-2003, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by TeenGodFather

Is that against most licences? Nope. I can shootmyself if I feel like it, might not be reasonable.. but I'm allowed to do it.

Guess it's worth reading the license or asking the provider first then

A lot of people don't. Although you're welcome to shoot yourself in the foot if you like. Can I take pictures and sell them though? :P

Jakke PNG · 02-22-2003, 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Guess it's worth reading the license or asking the provider first then A lot of people don't. Although you're welcome to shoot yourself in the foot if you like. Can I take pictures and sell them though? :P

Yeah. You can make hosted galleries of it, if you want.

CosmicKitten · 02-22-2003, 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by TeenGodFather

No.
I can promote a fat-chick paysite with pretty much any fat-chick pics, no? Or.. teensite with any teen pictures? Otherwise I have to join the paysite, see what sets they have and then try to find those for licensing?? You do that?!

lol no I don't do that...

but if I find a really kickass set of cheerleader pics that I know will convert well, and then make a gallery to promote a lightspeed site, and when the surfer joins and looks for the set of the girl that got their nuts off and does not find them and the video he thinks will go with it... I risk a chargeback.

not always the case, just an example to answer your question... of course there are a ton of other factors involved.

But chargebacks often occur by misrepresentation, and if a surfer joins a site to see something specific and its not there I surely do not want to lose money, nor should the sponsor because I dont know how to promote their site.

thats all.

LadyMischief · 02-22-2003, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by FATPad
I don't understand this. You keep talking about responsibility.

I build a tour page and put two pics of some chick on it and let you link to my tour page.

I build a gallery wtih 10 pics of the same chicks and let you link to it.

How does responsibility for the use of the images factor into anything?

If you host the tour you are responsible for the images.

If you build a gallery page you are still responsible.

What's the difference?

You start using the images contrary to the license agreement and I have your info and I know who to deal with if it's required. When you agree to a license you are essentially entereing a legal contract that says you will use the images responsibly. Sort of like a driver's license. You are saying to everyone else in the world that you are not infringing copyrights as well. And believe me you, you do NOT have to be the owner of a copyright to sue someone for copyright violation. Joe blow on the street can sue you for infringement. The onus is on YOU to prove you have legal rights. It's NOT on him to prove you don't.

LadyMischief · 02-22-2003, 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by TeenGodFather

Yeah. You can make hosted galleries of it, if you want.

As far as I know most content providers have it specifically mentioned in their license agreements that using the content for hosted galleries is not an acceptble useage for their images. Those that don't, well, go nuts? :P

Oh and I should mention, they would be MY picutures, being the photographer. I could use em however I wished :P

x582 · 02-22-2003, 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

And essentially shooting yourself in the foot, because this devalues the content far more quickly than joe blow over here and joe blow over there using it here and there.. You are giving it that much more surfer exposure and therefore it has a shorter shelf-life. Not too fair to bite the hand that feeds you either, unless of course you plan on taking your own picutres anytime soon

i do not shoot myself in the foot! I can use the same image on my paysite tour and have my affiliates to link directly on my tour.

Following this logic of no "hosted gallery" - it will be forbidden to have one of my affiliate to link on my "hosted paysite tour". And this is rediculous. You cannot forbid me in your license that it is forbidden that someone link to my pages. It is not my responsability.

I am NOT doing anything wrong with these pages, if the whitehouse wants to link on my pages, it's up to them. Same for the TGP, the search engines or whatever.

A "hosted gallery" is no different than a "hosted paysite tour". It is a page where i put some pictures with the intend of making a sale. Anyone can link to these pages if they feel to.

If the set get spoiled faster because i got a lot of people who saw the set... then YES! I made my money and my ROI.

x582 · 02-22-2003, 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by CosmicKitten

lol no I don't do that...

but if I find a really kickass set of cheerleader pics that I know will convert well, and then make a gallery to promote a lightspeed site, and when the surfer joins and looks for the set of the girl that got their nuts off and does not find them and the video he thinks will go with it... I risk a chargeback.

not always the case, just an example to answer your question... of course there are a ton of other factors involved.

But chargebacks often occur by misrepresentation, and if a surfer joins a site to see something specific and its not there I surely do not want to lose money, nor should the sponsor because I dont know how to promote their site.

thats all.

Then if the sponsor build a tgp gallery with the content he has in his member section... problem solved! You will promote content that is in the site in question.

Fletch XXX · 02-22-2003, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by x582

i do not shoot myself in the foot! I can use the same image on my paysite tour and have my affiliates to link directly on my tour.

Following this logic of no "hosted gallery" - it will be forbidden to have one of my affiliate to link on my "hosted paysite tour". And this is rediculous. You cannot forbid me in your license that it is forbidden that someone link to my pages. It is not my responsability.

I am NOT doing anything wrong with these pages, if the whitehouse wants to link on my pages, it's up to them. Same for the TGP, the search engines or whatever.

A "hosted gallery" is no different than a "hosted paysite tour". It is a page where i put some pictures with the intend of making a sale. Anyone can link to these pages if they feel to.

If the set get spoiled faster because i got a lot of people who saw the set... then YES! I made my money and my ROI.

next thing youre gonna say is that a content provider cant give you a % number of pics you can use in a free gallery.

yeah they can. they have, and do.

You forget you dont OWN the content, you're simply using it.

x582 · 02-22-2003, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

As far as I know most content providers have it specifically mentioned in their license agreements that using the content for hosted galleries is not an acceptble useage for their images. Those that don't, well, go nuts? :P

Oh and I should mention, they would be MY picutures, being the photographer. I could use em however I wished :P

You cannot do that. It won't stand up in court. Because this is no "TGP Hosted Gallery" this is a page with pictures on it.

You cannot forbid someone or sue someone if a third link to his page from a TGP gallery. It is out of his control. I will fight for this in court anytime

Fletch XXX · 02-22-2003, 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by x582

You cannot forbid someone or sue someone if a third link to his page from a TGP gallery. It is out of his control. I will fight for this in court anytime

Again, you don't own the ? to the images, in court, what you say will matter almost less than what it means here.

Judge: Who has legal ? over these Images

Provider: I do your honor.

case closed.

BV · 02-22-2003, 12:17 PM

I am not a content provider but IMO I am thinking that content providers do not like the hosted galleries because it lowers their sales. They would much rather sell the sets to 50 or 100 tgp gallery makers versus 5 or 10 sponsors making hosted galleries.

IMO hosted galleries are making it tougher for the gallery submitters as the tgp's do not need to take as many submissions as they can easily plug in some hosted galleries. I am sure not all gallery submitters will die but the number of them has to be decreasing, thus lowering sales for content providers selling to these webmasters.

Just a thought,
BV

x582 · 02-22-2003, 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

next thing youre gonna say is that a content provider cant give you a % number of pics you can use in a free gallery.

yeah they can. they have, and do.

You forget you dont OWN the content, you're simply using it.

I don't forget anything. They can forbid me to put more than X number of picture on the same page. Of course they can and that will be legitimate.

But they can't forbid me to have a third linking to my pages.

Fletch XXX · 02-22-2003, 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by x582

I don't forget anything. They can forbid me to put more than X number of picture on the same page. Of course they can and that will be legitimate.

But they can't forbid me to have a third linking to my pages.

it has been my experience, that in regards to contracts. Anything can be worded, and if inserted into a legal binding contract, again what you say matters not.

the contract is the only definition of what can and cannot be done between two parties and their agreements regarding licensed images.

Debate it all you want. Contracts hold up to the law, not opinions.

x582 · 02-22-2003, 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Again, you don't own the ? to the images, in court, what you say will matter almost less than what it means here.

Judge: Who has legal ? over these Images

Provider: I do your honor.

case closed.

Ummm no.

If I have a license and i did not breach any clause of the license i have the right to use those pictures. The judge will listen to the plantiff and decide if the licensee breach any clause on the license.

Fletch XXX · 02-22-2003, 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by x582

Ummm no.

If I have a license and i did not breach any clause of the license i have the right to use those pictures. The judge will listen to the plantiff and decide if the licensee breach any clause on the license.

Read what I type before you reply.

I said if its inserted into the contract, and if 'no hosted galleries' is in the contract.

try again.

Fletch XXX · 02-22-2003, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by x582

Ummm no.

If I have a license and i did not breach any clause of the license i have the right to use those pictures. The judge will listen to the plantiff and decide if the licensee breach any clause on the license.

I even made it yellow since I predicted you wouldnt notice.

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

When content providers get hip to this, and add 'No Hosted galleries' to their license, it will not matter.

LadyMischief · 02-22-2003, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by x582

i do not shoot myself in the foot! I can use the same image on my paysite tour and have my affiliates to link directly on my tour.

Following this logic of no "hosted gallery" - it will be forbidden to have one of my affiliate to link on my "hosted paysite tour". And this is rediculous. You cannot forbid me in your license that it is forbidden that someone link to my pages. It is not my responsability.

I am NOT doing anything wrong with these pages, if the whitehouse wants to link on my pages, it's up to them. Same for the TGP, the search engines or whatever.

A "hosted gallery" is no different than a "hosted paysite tour". It is a page where i put some pictures with the intend of making a sale. Anyone can link to these pages if they feel to.

If the set get spoiled faster because i got a lot of people who saw the set... then YES! I made my money and my ROI.

Guess then you should make sure to read the license and make sure whomever you license content from allows you to use the content on hosted galleries.. What more can I say? Apparently I can explain the "logic" until I'm blue in the face but it won't make much difference. People want their buck, they want it fast, and don't care much about anything else. Fine

Just don't violate my licensing agreements and best of luck to you

x582 · 02-22-2003, 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

it has been my experience, that in regards to contracts. Anything can be worded, and if inserted into a legal binding contract, again what you say matters not.

the contract is the only definition of what can and cannot be done between two parties and their agreements regarding licensed images.

Debate it all you want. Contracts hold up to the law, not opinions.

that is not true. there is a lot of thing you cannot put in a contract.

i.e: (in some cases) you cannot restraint someone from working even if there is a non-competition clause. if someone loses his job and find something else where but it is a competitor of his previous employer... Well, even if that person signed a non competition contract - you can't restraint someone from working.

There is a lot of things that has to be respected in a contract. Call the BBB (better business bureau) and you'll see that there is a lot of things that you can't put into a contract.

LadyMischief · 02-22-2003, 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Again, you don't own the ? to the images, in court, what you say will matter almost less than what it means here.

Judge: Who has legal ? over these Images

Provider: I do your honor.

case closed.

Amen.

CosmicKitten · 02-22-2003, 12:29 PM

tell ya what

I'm gonna submit all my paysite tours to the hun.

Do you think he will list them? No.

Why not? Because paysite tours are NOT free porn. Galleries are.

too much free porn. old ass seen a dozen times on every tgp free porn.

LadyMischief · 02-22-2003, 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by x582

that is not true. there is a lot of thing you cannot put in a contract.

i.e: (in some cases) you cannot restraint someone from working even if there is a non-competition clause. if someone loses his job and find something else where but it is a competitor of his previous employer... Well, even if that person signed a non competition contract - you can't restraint someone from working.

There is a lot of things that has to be respected in a contract. Call the BBB (better business bureau) and you'll see that there is a lot of things that you can't put into a contract.

Yes, but remember, the people who buy licenses do NOT OWN the images.

Think of it like this.

If you lease a car, you do not OWN that car, the COMPANY owns the car. YOu are simply purchasing rights to use that car for a certain period of time. If you ABUSE that car while you have it, you end up paying for the abuse. Not really much of a difference when licensing content, when all is said and done.

x582 · 02-22-2003, 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Guess then you should make sure to read the license and make sure whomever you license content from allows you to use the content on hosted galleries.. What more can I say? Apparently I can explain the "logic" until I'm blue in the face but it won't make much difference. People want their buck, they want it fast, and don't care much about anything else. Fine Just don't violate my licensing agreements and best of luck to you

No hard feelings here. I don't even have hosted galleries with content that is not exclusive to me. I totaly understands your oppinion here, and i do understand your concerns.

I just don't think this thing can be resolved that way.

x582 · 02-22-2003, 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Yes, but remember, the people who buy licenses do NOT OWN the images.

Think of it like this.

If you lease a car, you do not OWN that car, the COMPANY owns the car. YOu are simply purchasing rights to use that car for a certain period of time. If you ABUSE that car while you have it, you end up paying for the abuse. Not really much of a difference when licensing content, when all is said and done.

Yes but your license doesn't restraint me on "per view" basis. If you want to include that in your license it would be all ligitimate, but hard to evaluate.

Cyber3 · 02-22-2003, 12:35 PM

This is crazy the only way a content provider can stop this is to put a clause that says you cannot use it on TGP's at all.

Then only the cheaters and thieves will use it so you really stop nothing.

If my license says I can use 15 pics per set to promote my site and If I give a TGP cash to have the link on the page, or split the sale with him what is the difference, I do both now, the end result is the same.

The end result for me is traffic, one way or another I will have it so to me it does not matter, however I do what the content providers want, I don't think many can say that?

Regards,

Kevin

Fletch XXX · 02-22-2003, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by x582

Yes but your license doesn't restraint me on "per view" basis. If you want to include that in your license it would be all ligitimate, but hard to evaluate.

True but there are stipulations about you allowing others to drive it, insurance etc...

x582 · 02-22-2003, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by CosmicKitten
tell ya what

I'm gonna submit all my paysite tours to the hun.

Do you think he will list them? No.

Why not? Because paysite tours are NOT free porn. Galleries are.

too much free porn. old ass seen a dozen times on every tgp free porn.

Of course thehun will not list your paysite, because he his listing page with a very specific page format/layout.

There is a lot of paysite that does have more content on their tour that a tgp gallery can have.

LadyMischief · 02-22-2003, 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by x582

Yes but your license doesn't restraint me on "per view" basis. If you want to include that in your license it would be all ligitimate, but hard to evaluate.

That's why our license does not allow for hosted galleries

And no hard feelings here either! I just really think it's important for webmasters to be educated about content. It's a shame more of them aren't, they would keep themselves out of trouble, and everyone would be happier!

x582 · 02-22-2003, 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

True but there are stipulations about you allowing others to drive it, insurance etc...

That's right. But there i do not allow any one to USE the content (like USE my car) on their own domain name or servers. They are just linking to it.

Fletch XXX · 02-22-2003, 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by x582

That's right. But there i do not allow any one to USE the content (like USE my car) on their own domain name or servers. They are just linking to it.

I know you struggle with the English language, but thats basically 'using the images.'

CosmicKitten · 02-22-2003, 12:42 PM

I guess the bottom line is I recently bought some really nice and pricey content for one of my sites.

I paid to have some really nice galleries made with them as well. Then I found the same content on a tgp.

I tracked down the affiliate program and holy shit,.... they have all this same content in free hosted galleries and no way in hell will any tgp now list my galleries because of this.

flooded. And its fuckin up my game

(i dont use affiliates just for the record)

x582 · 02-22-2003, 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

That's why our license does not allow for hosted galleries

And no hard feelings here either! I just really think it's important for webmasters to be educated about content. It's a shame more of them aren't, they would keep themselves out of trouble, and everyone would be happier!

I know what you mean, i shoot content too and i am a sponsor as well.

But what i am trying to say is there is no difference between a "hosted gallery" and a "hosted paysite tour". They are both on my servers, both on my domain names.

The appellation "hosted gallery" means nothing from a legal stand point. Because both are pages with pictures with an intent of making a sale. And trust me, i know what i am talking about.

The very truth behind this, is that you and i both know that a page with a certain layout (tgp gallery) will get more hits than another page with a different layout (paysite tour). And why? because there is some sites on the internet that prefers to list on a page with a certain layout.

playa · 02-22-2003, 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by FATPad
I don't even get this.

How is buying a set of pics, building a gallery and letting 1000 TGP owners list it and crediting them with half the money any different than me buying a set of pics, building a gallery, submitting it to 1000 TGP's and keeping all the money?

this is exactly my same point,, content providers need to know that there isn't any difference

x582 · 02-22-2003, 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

I know you struggle with the English language, but thats basically 'using the images.'

So, everyone who links to my tour are using my images then.

CosmicKitten · 02-22-2003, 12:48 PM

damn well I learned something new today... time to get busy

Fletch XXX · 02-22-2003, 12:50 PM

Again, I dont care to argue since its up to the content providers.

I am simply trying to give them the heads up.

As Hershie mentioned, my thread helped him get his together and protect himself. Now he no longer has to worry about this.

Thats all that matters.

The more content providers know, the better.

So bizump.

x582 · 02-22-2003, 12:52 PM

What if a sponsor decides not to call these pages "hosted gallery" but alternative tours to his paysite...

Tour1, tour2, tour3, tour4...

*typo

Sly_RJ · 02-22-2003, 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

I know you struggle with the English language, but thats basically 'using the images.'

Then technically, wouldn't linking to a paysite tour also constitute as "using the images"?

CONTENT PROVIDERS. If you don't want people using your content as HOSTED GALLERIES, you need to make it CLEAR in your LICENSE. Otherwise, hosting galleries on one of my domains, allowing other people to link to the galleries is NO DIFFERENT than allowing other people to link to my content rich TOUR.

PornoDoggy · 02-22-2003, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by spunky1
I find with most sponsors they only have like 20 or 30 sets of galleries .I post maybe 5 per day and then run out of content to promote.I dont want to keep posting the same galleries over and over again.

You know, there's this whole concept called "buy your own."

Fletch XXX · 02-22-2003, 12:57 PM

what part of not interested in arguing do you guys not understand?

haha

im done, bout to roll to a friends.

i cant play no more.

cafeaulait · 02-22-2003, 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by AC fred
We don't allow any hosted galleries or promotion to affiliate webmasters with our content. We also don't have any license available for it. This would burn the content so fast if major affiliate would spread it to thousands of affiliates. This would simply drop the value of our content since it would be everywhere.

Also I promess a reward to anyone who found an affiliate running our content in hosted or giving them to their affiliates.

What about Gamma and the Bruno B galleries?

x582 · 02-22-2003, 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by cafeaulait

What about Gamma and the Bruno B galleries?

they have a special license and most of the content is exclusive i think.

CosmicKitten · 02-22-2003, 01:03 PM

and good bukakke content is hard to find... time to invest in some exclusive I suppose.

cuz I don't want to invest in good content and then see it overexposed all over the tgpees.

cafeaulait · 02-22-2003, 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by x582

they have a special license and most of the content is exclusive i think.

Oh sorry, I must have missed the "special license" bit when he said "We don't allow our content to be used on ANY hosted galleries".

Its not exclusive, you can see the majority of the vids in the Bruno B tour onsale at AC.ca , I own most of them.

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Cyber3 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 181	This is crazy the only way a content provider can stop this is to put a clause that says you cannot use it on TGP's at all. Then only the cheaters and thieves will use it so you really stop nothing. If my license says I can use 15 pics per set to promote my site and If I give a TGP cash to have the link on the page, or split the sale with him what is the difference, I do both now, the end result is the same. The end result for me is traffic, one way or another I will have it so to me it does not matter, however I do what the content providers want, I don't think many can say that? Regards, Kevin __________________ New Hosted Galleries www.glamourmodelsgonebad.com

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Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Again, I dont care to argue since its up to the content providers. I am simply trying to give them the heads up. As Hershie mentioned, my thread helped him get his together and protect himself. Now he no longer has to worry about this. Thats all that matters. The more content providers know, the better. So bizump. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

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Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	what part of not interested in arguing do you guys not understand? haha im done, bout to roll to a friends. i cant play no more. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

02-22-2003, 12:17 PM	#68
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	I am not a content provider but IMO I am thinking that content providers do not like the hosted galleries because it lowers their sales. They would much rather sell the sets to 50 or 100 tgp gallery makers versus 5 or 10 sponsors making hosted galleries. IMO hosted galleries are making it tougher for the gallery submitters as the tgp's do not need to take as many submissions as they can easily plug in some hosted galleries. I am sure not all gallery submitters will die but the number of them has to be decreasing, thus lowering sales for content providers selling to these webmasters. Just a thought, BV

02-22-2003, 12:29 PM	#77
CosmicKitten Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 225	tell ya what I'm gonna submit all my paysite tours to the hun. Do you think he will list them? No. Why not? Because paysite tours are NOT free porn. Galleries are. too much free porn. old ass seen a dozen times on every tgp free porn.

02-22-2003, 12:42 PM	#87
CosmicKitten Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 225	I guess the bottom line is I recently bought some really nice and pricey content for one of my sites. I paid to have some really nice galleries made with them as well. Then I found the same content on a tgp. I tracked down the affiliate program and holy shit,.... they have all this same content in free hosted galleries and no way in hell will any tgp now list my galleries because of this. flooded. And its fuckin up my game (i dont use affiliates just for the record)

02-22-2003, 12:48 PM	#91
CosmicKitten Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 225	damn well I learned something new today... time to get busy

02-22-2003, 01:03 PM	#99
CosmicKitten Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 225	and good bukakke content is hard to find... time to invest in some exclusive I suppose. cuz I don't want to invest in good content and then see it overexposed all over the tgpees.