My experience with Pussycash and Imlive... - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

alias · 04-11-2013, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by adendreams

Ok man.

Just trying to get your side of the story.

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Originally Posted by lazycash

stay away from any cam program that offers the huge pps promotions.

Good advice.

adendreams · 04-11-2013, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Oren-Pcash

2.After you described me yesterday your promotion method i explained you briefly that this is clear case of promotion against our terms of use and bad faith,even if your activity wasn't malicious.
It seemed to me that you perfectly understood it while chatting with me.

You did not demonstrate that anything I was doing was against your terms of use - where is the fine print? Please if you have it show it!

It seemed to me that you perfectly understood it while chatting with me. Oren do you see the difference between these two statements:

A. I understand why you thought I was doing something wrong.
B. I understand what I did wrong.

I proved in my lengthly email to you that I did nothing wrong. You so much as admitted to me that I have done nothing wrong by saying that my members would be allowed to make a new username on ImLive and continue using the site (and that my models could continue to perform) SO if you are admitting that Im legit - what is your excuse for not paying me the monies owed?

Why · 04-11-2013, 11:49 AM

Why is it that EVERYTIME pussycash's name comes up, it comes up with a negative note?

glad i never promoted them, and you can bet your bottom dollar i never will.

it also sounds like their fraud department blows.

Why · 04-11-2013, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Wizzo

So you were referring your models, sending your customers who only want to see them and then wanting PPS on top of that? Sounds like you were trying to score on both ends, no?

is that not the point of business, to profit whenever possible? sounds to me pussycash is just pissed they didn't make enough money, that's their bad. You cant neg on a deal later, that's poor business to put it lightly. Secondly, they shouldn't make deals that are gambles for them and then neg on them any time it doesn't work out. that's crap!

i remember paying out $40+ on free joins, i didn't shit can every affiliate just because their joins didn't retain(if anything id move them to paid trails and still pay on the free). that was the gamble I took, therefore I should suffer MY consequences, instead of just taking YOUR pay to even my own odds!

adendreams · 04-11-2013, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Why

is that not the point of business, to profit whenever possible? sounds to me pussycash is just pissed they didn't make enough money, that's their bad. You cant neg on a deal later, that's poor business to put it lightly. Secondly, they shouldn't make deals that are gambles for them and then neg on them any time it doesn't work out. that's crap!

I actually don't think that is the case here - I think they SUSPECTED fraud and thats why I got banned. Now that I have PROVEN there was NO FRAUD they just don't want to admit it, apologize, and PAY ME.

Oren-Pcash · 04-11-2013, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by adendreams

Update: I sent off a big email to Oren and the PussyCash fraud prevention staff explaining my side of the story and asking for payment in full.

After my conversation with Oren yesterday it is even more clear that I did absolutely nothing wrong and that the members that I sent to ImLive were 100 percent legitimate and there was not a single case of fraud among them. In fact it looks like they were possibly even denied the credits that they paid for and suspended due to no other reason that they didnt spend enough money on ImLive. Or that they didnt spend money SOON enough.

Anyway Im now waiting for the PC fraud department to return my email and let me know if Im getting paid and when. Hopefully the check will be in the mail soon and this issue will be resolved.

OK adendreams, few more details here (though most of them were told to you by me via chat):

1. You promoted ImLive with type of incentivized traffic and by chat traffic which both are forbidden by us and are against our terms of use,as you confirmed me yourself that your top model sent her ImLive link for users to register via Skype (also,from your descriptions here its obvious you know excatly all your users and have their IM's).

2. With this-no one said or blamed you in Fraud malicious Activity or that your users are not real.

3. The vast majority of the users you have brought by this forbidden method werent even charged on our systems as they were flagged and are considered as Null signups on our side.

4. With all of this, we are OK to give you 2nd chance so you will be able to open new account that will be set to Rev Share Only; I truly hope to see you succeed this time with us as you have my Skype to help you with anything you will need for this,so sincere Good-luck if you choose to do so.

georgeyw · 04-11-2013, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Oren-Pcash

OK adendreams, few more details here (though most of them were told to you by me via chat):

1. You promoted ImLive with type of incentivized traffic and by chat traffic which both are forbidden by us and are against our terms of use,as you confirmed me yourself that your top model sent her ImLive link for users to register via Skype (also,from your descriptions here its obvious you know excatly all your users and have their IM's).

2. With this-no one said or blamed you in Fraud malicious Activity or that your users are not real.

3. The vast majority of the users you have brought by this forbidden method werent even charged on our systems as they were flagged and are considered as Null signups on our side.

4. With all of this, we are OK to give you 2nd chance so you will be able to open new account that will be set to Rev Share Only; I truly hope to see you succeed this time with us as you have my Skype to help you with anything you will need for this,so sincere Good-luck if you choose to do so.

Do the same rules apply to revshare?

ie incentivised traffic is a big no no all round?

I do not promote PC and not about to, however incentivised traffic to revshare should not cause a problem (not a financial incentive)

Why · 04-11-2013, 12:26 PM

he would be a fool to touch you again, without being paid.

i still do not understand how a girl IMing a customer and asking them to join and watch a show is against TOS, LOTS of cam girls do this. pretty sleazy way to get out of paying, if you ask me.

Why · 04-11-2013, 12:30 PM

final note:

maybe if PC answered support requests promptly and without the snooty attitude they are notorious for, they wouldnt be in the court of public opinion. $0.02

adendreams · 04-11-2013, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Oren-Pcash

OK adendreams, few more details here (though most of them were told to you by me via chat):

1. You promoted ImLive with type of incentivized traffic and by chat traffic which both are forbidden by us and are against our terms of use,as you confirmed me yourself that your top model sent her ImLive link for users to register via Skype (also,from your descriptions here its obvious you know excatly all your users and have their IM's).

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? The INCENTIVE was that the CUSTOMER would get to see a cam model CAMMING ON A CAM SITE!

Also you are forgetting to ad that I had banners right on my home page (which I activated and proved for you - and sent a link) IM via skype is only one way out of many that I promote. The point is that I brought top talent to ImLive and they brought some of their paying customers. LEGIT paying customers that were simply holding their credits until our shows started.

You did NOT say that my using skype to promote had ANYTHING TO DO with why I got banned. You only said that " %90 of the users that sign DIDNT SPEND even 1 cent and many that did CHB"

THE ONLY reason any of them would have charged back is AFTER you terminated my account and I had to post that the shows would no longer be held on ImLive. So IF there were chargebacks its due to YOUR pulling my account prematurely.

So to summarize - you banned me for one of these reasons or both:

1. You suspected fraud. (there was no fraud)
2. You assumed my traffic was going to lose you money (but you have no way of knowing since you banned my users prior to 2 weeks passing)

The fact that I may have bent some of your fine print rules and regs (Im still waiting to see them - please feel free to paste them on this thread) had absolutely nothing to do with WHY YOU BANNED ME - you only learned that yesterday by me telling you.

My models promote their cam shows in many ways - email, chat, text, blogs, twitter - you are telling me that you DONT want models to tell users about cam shows by IM..... because WHY?

adendreams · 04-11-2013, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Oren-Pcash

(also,from your descriptions here its obvious you know excatly all your users and have their IM's).

This is a totally false accusation and typical of someone just making shit up to get out of paying a bill that they owe.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THE GUYS THAT JOINED ARE - and I DID NOT SAY that I have their IM's - I DO have a big email list that Im sure many of those members are on, and since you guys basically FUCKED them for $25 each I guess I need to send out an email blast to my list notifying that IF any of them Joined ImLive with the intention of seeing our shows and LOST their credits unjustly that I recommend doing a chargeback.

lazycash · 04-11-2013, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Oren-Pcash

OK adendreams, few more details here (though most of them were told to you by me via chat):

1. You promoted ImLive with type of incentivized traffic and by chat traffic which both are forbidden by us and are against our terms of use,as you confirmed me yourself that your top model sent her ImLive link for users to register via Skype (also,from your descriptions here its obvious you know excatly all your users and have their IM's).

2. With this-no one said or blamed you in Fraud malicious Activity or that your users are not real.

3. The vast majority of the users you have brought by this forbidden method werent even charged on our systems as they were flagged and are considered as Null signups on our side.

4. With all of this, we are OK to give you 2nd chance so you will be able to open new account that will be set to Rev Share Only; I truly hope to see you succeed this time with us as you have my Skype to help you with anything you will need for this,so sincere Good-luck if you choose to do so.

Please explain how the traffic Aden sent was incentivized? It would be one thing if the model said to her customers, "sign up via this link and I'll give you free private shows", but as far as I know the members were not incentivized to sign up.

Also, I've never heard of "chat traffic" in a TOS refer to giving out an affiliate link via instant messenger to someone you already have a relationship with (model to member). It almost always refers to mass spamming your link in chat rooms or making wild promises via instant messenger/chat rooms to get the signup, then never fulfilling the promises. (ie. Philippine chat spammers)

_Richard_ · 04-11-2013, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Also, I've never heard of "chat traffic" in a TOS refer to giving out an affiliate link via instant messenger to someone you already have a relationship with (model to member). It almost always refers to mass spamming your link in chat rooms or making wild promises via instant messenger/chat rooms to get the signup, then never fulfilling the promises. (ie. Philippine chat spammers)

don't all cam models keep close relationships with their big spenders, and 'carry them around'?

adendreams · 04-11-2013, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

don't all cam models keep close relationships with their big spenders, and 'carry them around'?

Bingo

there is no downside here whatsoever with ANY form of communication the model may have with a member - I can see this applying to phillppeano scammers but has no bearing on my case. What this is is PURE LUCK - this is Oren getting lucky that I told him yesterday that I may have bent rules that I had no idea existed, and have no detrimental effect on the business relationship anyway.

So lets see where this goes...OK Oren has admitted openly that: Quote: "With this-no one said or blamed you in Fraud malicious Activity or that your users are not real." So if thats the case don't my users who were wrongfully terminated deserve an email apology from PC and the credits that were taken from them re-instated? Remember some of them think WE scammed them and it's hurt my performers rep....

Va2k · 04-11-2013, 02:09 PM

OMFG PC it's getting deeper and deeper, here.. why not pay the man If you're going to allow him to re join then there was NO fraud on his part then why not pay him... :

adultmobile · 04-11-2013, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Why

i still do not understand how a girl IMing a customer and asking them to join and watch a show is against TOS, LOTS of cam girls do this. pretty sleazy way to get out of paying, if you ask me.

This is the TOS:
http://pussycash.com/agreement.asp

"PussyCash.com does NOT allow its affiliates to advertise by email "

"(i) In the event that You are a resident of the United States, You shall not advertise or solicit members for the Company or any of its websites (including ImLive.com) by email, text messages, twitter messages, telephone calls, flyers, handouts, US mail, posters, coupons, brochures, in-person solicitations or solicitation by any other means unless you have a written permission from the Company.

"General note : In any case the Company suspects that you are involved in any kind of fraud activities the Company may, at its sole discretion, terminate your account or otherwise transfer you to another program of fix lower payment or revenue share only.."
"You acknowledge and agree that the Company shall have the right, in its sole and absolute discretion and at any time, to expand or modify what it determines to constitute fraudulent activity."

lazycash · 04-11-2013, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

This is the TOS:
http://pussycash.com/agreement.asp

"PussyCash.com does NOT allow its affiliates to advertise by email "

"(i) In the event that You are a resident of the United States, You shall not advertise or solicit members for the Company or any of its websites (including ImLive.com) by email, text messages, twitter messages, telephone calls, flyers, handouts, US mail, posters, coupons, brochures, in-person solicitations or solicitation by any other means unless you have a written permission from the Company.

"General note : In any case the Company suspects that you are involved in any kind of fraud activities the Company may, at its sole discretion, terminate your account or otherwise transfer you to another program of fix lower payment or revenue share only.."
"You acknowledge and agree that the Company shall have the right, in its sole and absolute discretion and at any time, to expand or modify what it determines to constitute fraudulent activity."

Don't see how any of that applies to this situation. If a model is doing a cam show on skype for an individual and tells them they will be moving their shows over to ImLive, here is a link to signup, that's not advertising/soliciting in the way ImLive is referring to in its TOS.

Forkbeard · 04-11-2013, 03:07 PM

A pretty clear case of PC just not wanting to pay what it owes. They are making up new rules after the fact, here. They've admitted there was no fraud, they should pay.

ImLarge · 04-11-2013, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

This is the TOS:
http://pussycash.com/agreement.asp

"PussyCash.com does NOT allow its affiliates to advertise by email "

"(i) In the event that You are a resident of the United States, You shall not advertise or solicit members for the Company or any of its websites (including ImLive.com) by email, text messages, twitter messages, telephone calls, flyers, handouts, US mail, posters, coupons, brochures, in-person solicitations or solicitation by any other means unless you have a written permission from the Company.

"General note : In any case the Company suspects that you are involved in any kind of fraud activities the Company may, at its sole discretion, terminate your account or otherwise transfer you to another program of fix lower payment or revenue share only.."
"You acknowledge and agree that the Company shall have the right, in its sole and absolute discretion and at any time, to expand or modify what it determines to constitute fraudulent activity."

pussycash terms is bull shit, pussycash gets some of us with 250 or 300 a pop promotion then place you on rev share if your clients dont keep buying time on there cam site. Stop with the bogus promotions and use regular $40 is fair. Not the gimmicky $250

adendreams · 04-11-2013, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Oren-Pcash

3. The vast majority of the users you have brought by this forbidden method werent even charged on our systems as they were flagged and are considered as Null signups on our side.

HUH? This makes zero sense. I am ONLY asking for payment on the joins I was fully credited for. Are you saying that you credit webmasters for joins prior to them successfully singing up - you credit aff's for null joins?

I have pissed off guys saying my models scammed them because they never appeared on IMLive - AND that they lost their credits and are locked out of their accounts. What vast majority are you referring to - it only takes a couple pissed off guys to talk shit about models being scammers to damage reps.

SmutHammer · 04-11-2013, 03:17 PM

adendreams Do these girls have websites? There is software out there that you can add to their members area where members can still tip, and it will also be public on a cam site so there members will also be able to join the shows and spend money.

Fat Panda · 04-11-2013, 03:29 PM

no twitter promotion? ROFL. so a porn blogs twitter account cant tweet urls that promote Imlive?

thank god i never wasted my time pushing pussycash

Jim_Gunn · 04-11-2013, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

This is the TOS:
http://pussycash.com/agreement.asp

"PussyCash.com does NOT allow its affiliates to advertise by email "

"(i) In the event that You are a resident of the United States, You shall not advertise or solicit members for the Company or any of its websites (including ImLive.com) by email, text messages, twitter messages, telephone calls, flyers, handouts, US mail, posters, coupons, brochures, in-person solicitations or solicitation by any other means unless you have a written permission from the Company.

"General note : In any case the Company suspects that you are involved in any kind of fraud activities the Company may, at its sole discretion, terminate your account or otherwise transfer you to another program of fix lower payment or revenue share only.."
"You acknowledge and agree that the Company shall have the right, in its sole and absolute discretion and at any time, to expand or modify what it determines to constitute fraudulent activity."

Why would anyone promote them at all if they have so many rules against how they can be promoted? What does that leave as legal promotion- only banners, images and text links on a web page?

lazycash · 04-11-2013, 03:48 PM

Love how Oren has this flying in his sig:

They need to put an asterisk on their banner that points to some fine print at the bottom "If we are not making enough money with your signups we will either revert you to revshare or cancel your affiliate account and you will not be paid, send traffic at your own discretion."

adendreams · 04-11-2013, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

This is the TOS:
http://pussycash.com/agreement.asp

"PussyCash.com does NOT allow its affiliates to advertise by email "

"(i) In the event that You are a resident of the United States, You shall not advertise or solicit members for the Company or any of its websites (including ImLive.com) by email, text messages, twitter messages, telephone calls, flyers, handouts, US mail, posters, coupons, brochures, in-person solicitations or solicitation by any other means unless you have a written permission from the Company.

"General note : In any case the Company suspects that you are involved in any kind of fraud activities the Company may, at its sole discretion, terminate your account or otherwise transfer you to another program of fix lower payment or revenue share only.."
"You acknowledge and agree that the Company shall have the right, in its sole and absolute discretion and at any time, to expand or modify what it determines to constitute fraudulent activity."

The things you just put in bold makes your post seem like you dont even know the facts here - you're just working for the man... I NEVER SENT A SINGLE EMAIL TO PROMOTE IMLIVE Why did you make that bold and capitalize NOT?

And the other things you made bold like "suspects" well that just shows how absurdly easy they can delete any affiliate for ANY REASON and then just not pay.

Must make all the Aff's who are pushing them feel real good.

adultmobile · 04-11-2013, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ImLarge

pussycash terms is bull shit, pussycash gets some of us with 250 or 300 a pop promotion then place you on rev share if

This is in TOS too:
http://pussycash.com/agreement.asp

"The company can decide in its sole discretion, and with no prior notice, to convert affiliates from their current program, to the revenue share program."

Perhaps guys you should read the terms page of each program and you may find quite the same stuff. Of course in a banner there's space for just "up to $300 pps", but when you go signup a program you click a button "I've read and agree the terms", if in terms there's written you're not paid if your site got green color background, and you busted with site having green background, that's it, your fault and not site's.

georgeyw · 04-11-2013, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Love how Oren has this flying in his sig:

They need to put an asterisk on their banner that points to some fine print at the bottom "If we are not making enough money with your signups we will either revert you to revshare or cancel your affiliate account and you will not be paid, send traffic at your own discretion."

Wait, is that type of promotion even allowed?

There are people communicating on a message board so that counts as *in-person* which = soliciting and fraud according to PC. Sorry to tell you Oren, your account is fraudulent and has been shut down.

adendreams · 04-11-2013, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

They need to put an asterisk on their banner that points to some fine print at the bottom "If we are not making enough money with your signups we will either revert you to revshare or cancel your affiliate account and you will not be paid, send traffic at your own discretion."

Nailed it.

lazycash · 04-11-2013, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw

Wait, is that type of promotion even allowed?

There are people communicating on a message board so that counts as *in-person* which = soliciting and fraud according to PC. Sorry to tell you Oren, your account is fraudulent and has been shut down.

adendreams · 04-11-2013, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

adendreams Do these girls have websites? There is software out there that you can add to their members area where members can still tip, and it will also be public on a cam site so there members will also be able to join the shows and spend money.

Seriously Ed? You know how long I've been around, that question looks like something you would ask a total newb. You also know the caliber of my talent and that I'm no fraud.

SmutHammer · 04-11-2013, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by adendreams

Seriously Ed? You know how long I've been around, that question looks like something you would ask a total newb. You also know the caliber of my talent and that I'm no fraud.

I think you are taking my question wrong. We haven't talked in a while and I have no idea if you started any solo sites with your girls. I can vouch that you are not a fraud, I myself owe a lot to you from when I was getting started.

dimfizz · 04-12-2013, 02:24 AM

Put my reading glasses on... PussyCash TOS - fuck busted! Twitter fucked me again.

adendreams · 04-12-2013, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

I think you are taking my question wrong. We haven't talked in a while and I have no idea if you started any solo sites with your girls. I can vouch that you are not a fraud, I myself owe a lot to you from when I was getting started.

Thanks Bro! would be good to see you again if you ever get down to Miami or over to LA, (Im back and forth) again hit me up and lets grab a beer

lagcam · 04-12-2013, 04:21 AM

I can see both sides of this story. The ridiculous PPS amounts Pussycash offer positively invite fraud, and their fraud department must be extremely overworked and of course will occasionally catch legitimate affiliates in their net.

I can see why they haven't paid out yet, but I don't see why they couldn't just hold commissions pending furter investigations rather than just cancel accounts.

In this case, a fair resolution for me would be if Pussycash approved adendream's performers, unlocked the accounts of the members that signed up but held the PPS payouts for an agreed period (3 to 6 months for example).

This would cover them against this turning out to be the scam that they originally thought it to be but would show them to be fair for other affiliates watching.

Ad-Min · 04-12-2013, 06:10 AM

what i don' get is, they say your method is forbidden BUT you can go on if you do it on revshare.

LOL

LA Crew · 04-12-2013, 08:16 AM

Hope the issue gets resolved..

lazycash · 04-12-2013, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by lagcam

In this case, a fair resolution for me would be if Pussycash approved adendream's performers, unlocked the accounts of the members that signed up but held the PPS payouts for an agreed period (3 to 6 months for example).

This would cover them against this turning out to be the scam that they originally thought it to be but would show them to be fair for other affiliates watching.

Yeah, this would have at least been a much fairer way to handle the situation. I think in hindsight Aden probably wishes he would have just waited till his models were approved before he let his members know where the girls would be camming. Although, I'm sure he didn't figure on it taking over 2 weeks to get a camgirl account approved.

adendreams · 04-12-2013, 09:48 AM

I asked the talent how much time they spent in private when they finally got approved on ImLive - the answer:

"About 97 percent of the time"

But the talent is now locked out and and profile deleted. I guess ImLive doesnt like girls who spend 97 percent of their time in private.

fuzebox · 04-12-2013, 10:11 AM

I will never promote PussyCash

Imortyl Pussycat · 04-12-2013, 10:22 AM

[QUOTE=Oren-Pcash;19573238]OK adendreams, few more details here (though most of them were told to you by me via chat):

1. You promoted ImLive with type of incentivized traffic and by chat traffic which both are forbidden by us and are against our terms of use,as you confirmed me yourself that your top model sent her ImLive link for users to register via Skype (also,from your descriptions here its obvious you know excatly all your users and have their IM's).

2. With this-no one said or blamed you in Fraud malicious Activity or that your users are not real.

violating a company's TOS in any way gets you banned/dropped/blocked no matter who it is. been there and done that and it's a hard lesson. read the TOS and do not violate in any way if you want to continue doing business with a group. case closed

xNetworx · 04-12-2013, 10:37 AM

Wow. This thread made me depressed.

Tom_PM · 04-12-2013, 10:52 AM

Never used the program, don't know the people, but I do know as an independent affiliate that a TOS is generally written as a long form of "we can terminate you if we feel it's in our best interest" and that, as they say, is that.

I mean just look at the sections that describe ways you may promote in many TOS's. The short form of that is "you must ask us if it's OK to promote us in any way." and again, this is not picking on any one company, read your TOS' people. It's incumbent upon the affiliate to check TOS for changes as well.. what applies today may not apply later today.

adendreams · 04-12-2013, 10:58 AM

[QUOTE=Imortyl Pussycat;19575026]

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Originally Posted by Oren-Pcash

OK adendreams, few more details here (though most of them were told to you by me via chat):

1. You promoted ImLive with type of incentivized traffic and by chat traffic which both are forbidden by us and are against our terms of use,as you confirmed me yourself that your top model sent her ImLive link for users to register via Skype (also,from your descriptions here its obvious you know excatly all your users and have their IM's).

2. With this-no one said or blamed you in Fraud malicious Activity or that your users are not real.

violating a company's TOS in any way gets you banned/dropped/blocked no matter who it is. been there and done that and it's a hard lesson. read the TOS and do not violate in any way if you want to continue doing business with a group. case closed

Yes one problem though - its not why I got banned - that doesnt occur to you after reading this thread? Oren found out yesterday that I used skype for a few - NOT ALL joins. I told him because there should be nothing wrong with it - just a bunch a blanket rules in their fine print that allow them to ban anyone.

My traffic was solid GOOD PAYING guys - that were simply waiting for my shows to begin - they probably would have SPENT A LOT - just like they do on the other cam sites.

Those rule are in place to prevent abuse - I did no abuse, just brought talent that spends 97 percent time in private.

They banned me for fraud and Oren said several times that it was a "Clear Case" - now they are trying to get out of paying on a meaningless technicality that has NO BEARING on why I was banned.

DBS.US · 04-12-2013, 11:03 AM

lazycash · 04-12-2013, 11:47 AM

[QUOTE=Imortyl Pussycat;19575026]

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Originally Posted by Oren-Pcash

OK adendreams, few more details here (though most of them were told to you by me via chat):

1. You promoted ImLive with type of incentivized traffic and by chat traffic which both are forbidden by us and are against our terms of use,as you confirmed me yourself that your top model sent her ImLive link for users to register via Skype (also,from your descriptions here its obvious you know excatly all your users and have their IM's).

2. With this-no one said or blamed you in Fraud malicious Activity or that your users are not real.

violating a company's TOS in any way gets you banned/dropped/blocked no matter who it is. been there and done that and it's a hard lesson. read the TOS and do not violate in any way if you want to continue doing business with a group. case closed

How about re reading the thread and telling us all where Aden violated the tos.

lazycash · 04-12-2013, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Ad-Min

what i don' get is, they say your method is forbidden BUT you can go on if you do it on revshare.

LOL

Ding ding we have a winner, makes zero sense.

adultmobile · 04-12-2013, 03:28 PM

By the way, often the filipino chat traffic guys who I ban from my program, say "but I do all ok in other program", then as proof, sends me screenshots of what they say it is their good results in other programs, with stats; and at least couple of times this was pussycash stats. It was $50 pps's or so, not bigger. Could be it was fake, but if not, I wonder.

Imortyl Pussycat · 04-12-2013, 03:50 PM

[QUOTE=lazycash;19575224]

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Originally Posted by Imortyl Pussycat

How about re reading the thread and telling us all where Aden violated the tos.

i read this whole thread and see where it shows the traffic sources and what is on the TOS. granted the claim is that even though some things "might" have been against the TOS, that is not what he was told the shut down was from. if the TOS is followed, the arguement from the other side wouldn't exist. this has happened to me as an affiliate with other sponsors (not Pussycash) so all i'm saying is read the fn TOS if you don't want trouble later. work it out boys, there seems to be some good biz that can be done here and still fall in line with the Sponsor's rules.

ImLarge · 04-12-2013, 03:55 PM

better programs out there that dont pull tricks, why keep going with them

lazycash · 04-12-2013, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imortyl Pussycat

i read this whole thread and see where it shows the traffic sources and what is on the TOS. granted the claim is that even though some things "might" have been against the TOS, that is not what he was told the shut down was from. if the TOS is followed, the arguement from the other side wouldn't exist. this has happened to me as an affiliate with other sponsors (not Pussycash) so all i'm saying is read the fn TOS if you don't want trouble later. work it out boys, there seems to be some good biz that can be done here and still fall in line with the Sponsor's rules.

Again, I've read how Aden sent traffic and read the entire TOS, there was no violation, what are you referring to? They claim he incentivized his traffic to signup, which he didn't. They suspended his account because his signups didn't initially spend so they figured there was some funny business, when in reality the delay stemmed from Pussycash taking too long to approve Aden's models for broadcaster accounts.

04-11-2013, 02:09 PM	#65
Va2k I’m still alive barley. Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Va Posts: 10,060	OMFG PC it's getting deeper and deeper, here.. why not pay the man If you're going to allow him to re join then there was NO fraud on his part then why not pay him... : __________________

04-11-2013, 03:07 PM	#68
Forkbeard Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: I Roam Around Posts: 2,236	A pretty clear case of PC just not wanting to pay what it owes. They are making up new rules after the fact, here. They've admitted there was no fraud, they should pay. __________________ Offering sponsored blog posts and custom writing services.

04-11-2013, 03:48 PM	#74
lazycash Troll Patrol Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Local Socal Posts: 15,214	Love how Oren has this flying in his sig: They need to put an asterisk on their banner that points to some fine print at the bottom "If we are not making enough money with your signups we will either revert you to revshare or cancel your affiliate account and you will not be paid, send traffic at your own discretion." __________________ "WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams.. Its crazy..." VenusBlogger

04-12-2013, 04:21 AM	#84
lagcam Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,892	I can see both sides of this story. The ridiculous PPS amounts Pussycash offer positively invite fraud, and their fraud department must be extremely overworked and of course will occasionally catch legitimate affiliates in their net. I can see why they haven't paid out yet, but I don't see why they couldn't just hold commissions pending furter investigations rather than just cancel accounts. In this case, a fair resolution for me would be if Pussycash approved adendream's performers, unlocked the accounts of the members that signed up but held the PPS payouts for an agreed period (3 to 6 months for example). This would cover them against this turning out to be the scam that they originally thought it to be but would show them to be fair for other affiliates watching. __________________ Working Cam site for sale - NOT affiliate.

04-12-2013, 08:16 AM	#86
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04-11-2013, 11:49 AM	#53
Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	Why is it that EVERYTIME pussycash's name comes up, it comes up with a negative note? glad i never promoted them, and you can bet your bottom dollar i never will. it also sounds like their fraud department blows.

04-11-2013, 12:26 PM	#58
Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	he would be a fool to touch you again, without being paid. i still do not understand how a girl IMing a customer and asking them to join and watch a show is against TOS, LOTS of cam girls do this. pretty sleazy way to get out of paying, if you ask me.

04-11-2013, 12:30 PM	#59
Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	final note: maybe if PC answered support requests promptly and without the snooty attitude they are notorious for, they wouldnt be in the court of public opinion. $0.02

04-11-2013, 03:17 PM	#71
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04-11-2013, 03:29 PM	#72
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04-12-2013, 02:24 AM	#82
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04-12-2013, 06:10 AM	#85
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04-12-2013, 09:48 AM	#88
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04-12-2013, 10:11 AM	#89
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04-12-2013, 10:22 AM	#90
Imortyl Pussycat Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cali Posts: 5,449	[QUOTE=Oren-Pcash;19573238]OK adendreams, few more details here (though most of them were told to you by me via chat): 1. You promoted ImLive with type of incentivized traffic and by chat traffic which both are forbidden by us and are against our terms of use,as you confirmed me yourself that your top model sent her ImLive link for users to register via Skype (also,from your descriptions here its obvious you know excatly all your users and have their IM's). 2. With this-no one said or blamed you in Fraud malicious Activity or that your users are not real. violating a company's TOS in any way gets you banned/dropped/blocked no matter who it is. been there and done that and it's a hard lesson. read the TOS and do not violate in any way if you want to continue doing business with a group. case closed __________________ Julie Larson julie {at} juicyads.com skype: imortylpussycat Buy & Sell Ads on The Most Sexy Advertising Network on the Planet available ad spots \| sign up now

04-12-2013, 10:37 AM	#91
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04-12-2013, 10:52 AM	#92
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Never used the program, don't know the people, but I do know as an independent affiliate that a TOS is generally written as a long form of "we can terminate you if we feel it's in our best interest" and that, as they say, is that. I mean just look at the sections that describe ways you may promote in many TOS's. The short form of that is "you must ask us if it's OK to promote us in any way." and again, this is not picking on any one company, read your TOS' people. It's incumbent upon the affiliate to check TOS for changes as well.. what applies today may not apply later today. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

04-12-2013, 11:03 AM	#94
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04-12-2013, 03:28 PM	#97
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04-12-2013, 03:55 PM	#99
ImLarge So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 926	better programs out there that dont pull tricks, why keep going with them