5 year old kills 2 year old sister with "my first rifle"

[scottybuzz]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...-shot/2126431/



Thoughts?

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by scottybuzz

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...-shot/2126431/



Thoughts?

Obviously it's tragic.

The remaining child needs to be taken from the parents and they should be prosecuted.

[_Richard_]

damn that is sad

[BlackCrayon]

guns shouldn't be marketed to kids under 16.

[Penny24Seven]

if the 2 year old had a gun

[tokmansta]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

guns shouldn't be marketed to kids under 16.

under 21...

[sandman!]

sad

[adult-help]

who the fuck gives a gun as a gift to 4 year old child? only in america!

sadly the only thing that comes to my mind in regards to this incident is sarcastic : 'merica fuck yeah

[Scott McD]

Well isn't that just great...

[MaDalton]

should have bought one of those




on a serious note: i'd prefer a world with no guns but since thats not possible, parents should at least make sure they are out of reach of children.

and it's absurd that you can not have a beer until you are 21 but you can market guns to children: http://www.crickett.com/

i mean - wtf?

http://www.crickett.com/crickett_kidscorner.php

and some people wonder whats wrong with society...

[Rochard]

Fucking lack of supervision is what this is.

It has nothing to do with guns. When my kid was five and played outside, we used to sit and watch. No tablet, no cell phone, just watching. Yesterday I was outside washing my car and the neighborhood kids were playing outside, no parents at all. There are two houses with kids the same age and they are across the street from each other, and they cross the street all the time. Yesterday the six year old girl - the oldest of them all - waiting for a car to pass before crossing the street, then darted out behind it... Not noticing there was a second car that might have hit her. It wasn't "danger close" but it was the thought.

These kids are four and five years old and completely unsupervised on a daily basis.

[Fat Panda]

the parents of this child should be ARRESTED and charged with MURDER

[CyberHustler]

where's Franck?

[2012]

demonize gun owners
demonize gun owners
demonize gun owners
demonize gun owners

yea !



only the good folks looking out for your best interests at "the government" should have guns

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by adult-help

who the fuck gives a gun as a gift to 4 year old child? only in america!

sadly the only thing that comes to my mind in regards to this incident is sarcastic : 'merica fuck yeah

Only in America and a bunch of other 3rd world countries.

I'm 100% sure the parents considered themselves responsible gun owners. And often mentioned how irresponsible gun owners are the true problem.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Fucking lack of supervision is what this is.

It has nothing to do with guns.

That's fucking odd then. I could swear the 2 year old was killed with a gun. But i might be wrong. I'll read it again.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by 2012

demonize gun owners
demonize gun owners
demonize gun owners
demonize gun owners

yea !



only the good folks looking out for your best interests at "the government" should have guns

It certainly would make things much, much safer.

[crockett]

Obviously, the parents were competent gun owners and the solution would be to make sure all 2 year olds have their own guns to defend themselves.

Anyone whom thinks otherwise hates freedom and is treading on my rights!

[L-Pink]

Nothing wrong with giving a kid a gun for a gift if it's only brought out at a range, safe place in the country, etc.

The fact it was not in a gun safe but in a corner of the family room, loaded yet, should leave the parents open for negligent manslaughter.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Nothing wrong with giving a kid a gun for a gift if it's only brought out at a range, safe place in the country, etc.

The fact it was not in a gun safe but in a corner of the family room, loaded yet, should leave the parents open for negligent manslaughter.

Sure, nothing wrong with it. I mean what's the worst thing that could happen.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by crockett

Obviously, the parents were competent gun owners and the solution would be to make sure all 2 year olds have their own guns to defend themselves.

Anyone whom thinks otherwise hates freedom and is treading on my rights!

Well, if his sister was armed she would have been able to defend herself.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Nothing wrong with giving a kid a gun for a gift if it's only brought out at a range, safe place in the country, etc.

The fact it was not in a gun safe but in a corner of the family room, loaded yet, should leave the parents open for negligent manslaughter.

a five year old though? they don't even know how to write but they should be using guns? i don't think there is anything wrong with teenagers learning how to shoot, preferably by taking a course. this is how it was around my area in high school. if the guys wanted to shoot guns they had to take a hunting course that taught them how to properly use, store and maintain a gun. they were only able to take this course at 15/16 years old.

[SuckOnThis]

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Sure, nothing wrong with it. I mean what's the worst thing that could happen.

When I moved back to Florida years ago I gave a vintage Chevy pickup to my godson who was 9 ? "what's the worst thing that could happen"

Well if he has responsible parents a lot of positive things.

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[Fat Panda]

according to the NRA if the 2 year old had a gun she could have DEFENDED herself

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

When I moved back to Florida years ago I gave a vintage Chevy pickup to my godson who was 9 ? "what's the worst thing that could happen"

Well if he has responsible parents a lot of positive things.

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Do you realize how goddamn fucked up your country and your way of thinking is if you think there is nothing with giving guns to kids? You may think it's normal but believe me, it's not. It's insane.
The so called freedom thing in the US has gone wrong. Very wrong.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

a five year old though? they don't even know how to write but they should be using guns? i don't think there is anything wrong with teenagers learning how to shoot, preferably by taking a course. this is how it was around my area in high school. if the guys wanted to shoot guns they had to take a hunting course that taught them how to properly use, store and maintain a gun. they were only able to take this course at 15/16 years old.

Hey it was just a "little" gun marketed for kids.. no big deal..

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Do you realize how goddamn fucked up your country and your way of thinking is if you think there is nothing with giving guns to kids? You may think it's normal but believe me, it's not. It's insane.
The so called freedom thing in the US has gone wrong. Very wrong.

I was about that age when my grandfather gave me a .22 as well. I learned a gun wasn't a toy, you only took it out of the locked cabinet when my father was taking me can shooting, you never loaded the gun until you were in a safe place to shoot, you under no circumstances pointed a gun loaded or unloaded at anything you didn't want to shoot and the safety and trigger were never touched until the target was visible.

It's called responsibility ?.. something more people need.

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[geedub]

Originally Posted by adult-help

who the fuck gives a gun as a gift to 4 year old child? only in america!

sadly the only thing that comes to my mind in regards to this incident is sarcastic : 'merica fuck yeah

My grandpa gave me a .22lr for my 4th birthday, I still have it, my dad had to help me hold it when I shot it the first time. For my 12th birthday I got a Remington 870 express magnum 12ga. which I also still have. I have been shooting and hunting as long as I can remember and my dad has always showed me how to be responsible about owning firearms. You guys gotta realize there are way more people like me than there are people who do bad things. Obviously this is a horrible tragedy but at the end of the day the parents left a loaded rifle around some unattended kids. It's her fault, no one else.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Do you realize how goddamn fucked up your country and your way of thinking is if you think there is nothing with giving guns to kids? You may think it's normal but believe me, it's not. It's insane.
The so called freedom thing in the US has gone wrong. Very wrong.

Oh I dunno Frank.. Looks like a pretty common thing.. You just hate freedom fries, just admit it..

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I was about that age when my grandfather gave me a .22 as well. I learned a gun wasn't a toy, you only took it out of the locked cabinet when my father was taking me can shooting, you never loaded the gun until you were in a safe place to shoot, you under no circumstances pointed a gun loaded or unloaded at anything you didn't want to shoot and the safety and trigger were never touched until the target was visible.

It's called responsibility ?.. something more people need.

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Let me repeat it again. It's not normal to give guns to children. You might think so because this word freedom has been repeated to you from the day you were born. But it really isn't. You and your country are fucked.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Let me repeat it again. It's not normal to give guns to children. You might think so because this word freedom has been repeated to you from the day you were born. But it really isn't. You and your country are fucked.

Freedom has nothing to do with anything. I can NEVER remember my parents even using the word. Different cultures. You have your point of view I have mine, why the open hostility?

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[helterskelter808]

The killer has a mental age of 5, which is considerably higher than most gun owners.

[L-Pink]

I'm going for my afternoon walk, 100% sure I'm not going to get shot.

Can't say the same about someone running me over irresponsibly multi-tasking while driving their car.

Later …….

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[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Freedom has nothing to do with anything. I can NEVER remember my parents even using the word. Different cultures. You have your point of view I have mine, why the open hostility?

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Oh ofcourse freedom has nothing to do with it. Gun owners would never asociate that with gun

You're getting ridiculous now.

[halfpint]

What kind of parent would give a gun to a 4 year old and leave it loaded and not locked away unloaded ? The mind boggles .

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Oh ofcourse freedom has nothing to do with it. Gun owners would never asociate that with gun

You're getting ridiculous now.

the whole 'freedom' thing is fairly new. back in l-pink's day guns were given to little boys because it was thought it helped make them into men and it was tradition that goes back to the days when you had to hunt for your food.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I'm going for my afternoon walk, 100% sure I'm not going to get shot.

Can't say the same about someone running me over irresponsibly multi-tasking while driving their car.

Later ??.

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And he we go again. It always easy to pick out the dumbest gun owners. It's the ones that start crying about cars and swimming pools. You know the thread has reached it's end.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

the whole 'freedom' thing is fairly new..

Yup. Only a few 100 years new.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by halfpint

What kind of parent would give a gun to a 4 year old and leave it loaded and not locked away unloaded ? The mind boggles .

An American parent.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

a five year old though? they don't even know how to write but they should be using guns? i don't think there is anything wrong with teenagers learning how to shoot, preferably by taking a course. this is how it was around my area in high school. if the guys wanted to shoot guns they had to take a hunting course that taught them how to properly use, store and maintain a gun. they were only able to take this course at 15/16 years old.

My daughter was learning to write at 4 using Hooked of Phonics, I taught my daughter to shoot when she was I think 8, I would never have sent her to a hunting course. I started her with a BB gun and then a .22 pump, then a M1 Carbine

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I was about that age when my grandfather gave me a .22 as well. I learned a gun wasn't a toy, you only took it out of the locked cabinet when my father was taking me can shooting, you never loaded the gun until you were in a safe place to shoot, you under no circumstances pointed a gun loaded or unloaded at anything you didn't want to shoot and the safety and trigger were never touched until the target was visible.

It's called responsibility ?.. something more people need.

.

I was learning about the same age, while no guns were every given to me till my step father died, he did give me then, a Savage 30.06 made in 1902 that I can drill holes in golf balls with!

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

My daughter was learning to write at 4 using Hooked of Phonics, I taught my daughter to shoot when she was I think 8, I would never have sent her to a hunting course. I started her with a BB gun and then a .22 pump, then a M1 Carbine



I was learning about the same age, while no guns were every given to me till my step father died, he did give me then, a Savage 30.06 made in 1902 that I can drill holes in golf balls with!

You're teaching your daughter how to shoot people in the eye.
If ayone could stand for everything that is wrong with the US it's you.
It's your backwards kind that people think of in other countries when you mention the US.
The purest white trash you will find in your 3rd world country.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

My daughter was learning to write at 4 using Hooked of Phonics, I taught my daughter to shoot when she was I think 8, I would never have sent her to a hunting course. I started her with a BB gun and then a .22 pump, then a M1 Carbine

hunting was a big thing for a lot of guys in my highschool. seems these days people just want to shoot guns for fun. i don't really see the thrill in either hunting or shooting for fun but whatever. i'd sooner have a kid learn from someone who actually knows what they're talking about rather than teaching mistakes that have been passed down from previous generations.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

hunting was a big thing for a lot of guys in my highschool. seems these days people just want to shoot guns for fun. i don't really see the thrill in either hunting or shooting for fun but whatever. i'd sooner have a kid learn from someone who actually knows what they're talking about rather than teaching mistakes that have been passed down from previous generations.

I understand what you are saying, but when I saw my daughter graduate boot camp, her CC asked me about her training, See I was trained by my stepfather who was a Marine. I taught my daughter more than she would have got from a safety course, I know, I needed one for a hunting license and I needed another for a carry permit. I never needed the California safety course for gun ownership because I was in the Military.

Most is just common sense.

I don't hunt anymore, I just have guns because I enjoy target shooting and the security of having them.
I was thinking about an offer from a friend to go buffalo hunting, not really a sport, but would fill my freezer!

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

You're teaching your daughter how to shoot people in the eye.
If ayone could stand for everything that is wrong with the US it's you.
It's your backwards kind that people think of in other countries when you mention the US.
The purest white trash you will find in your 3rd world country.

Frank, have a problem with women that can defend themselves? Or just white people?

[k0nr4d]

Either don't give guns to 5 year olds, or give guns to 2 year olds to protect themselves against 5 year olds...

[NaughtyVisions]

Originally Posted by crockett

Hey it was just a "little" gun marketed for kids.. no big deal..

Yeah, there's obviously nothing wrong with making real guns flashy colors that appeal to children and marketing directly to them.

http://crickett.com/

"Crickett Firearms - My First Rifle"





I think the "Kid's Corner" page on that site is the most disturbing.

http://www.crickett.com/crickett_kid...fs50o s0d0al6

Look at those pics. This is the culture we're condoning?

[xNetworx]

[NaughtyVisions]

Originally Posted by CamBoss

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

And he we go again. It always easy to pick out the dumbest gun owners. It's the ones that start crying about cars and swimming pools. You know the thread has reached it's end.

And again guns are blamed not the parents that let a loaded gun in a corner of the family room.

And Frank, I'm pretty smart and I haven't cried in decades.

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