Due

I'd love to hear more about that misunderstanding....
I'm sure there is plenty of people here that could help you out if the cards are out in the open!

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lagcam

I think Blackmonsters has nailed this thread and the problem Sara causes herself with these rants.......... potential affiliates fear of lost rebills if a processor takes exception to her accusatory rantings and cancels her account (as has happened before I believe).

These threads don't hurt any middlemen. They only hurt you.

You have 3 choices Sara. Get a merchant account and control more of the process yourself, stop accepting credit cards entirely or accept that you need middlemen more than they need you, and try to get more sales, so that occasional slower days don't stand out so much and make your mind wander to conspiracies.

Middlemen exist pretty much everywhere in some shape or form. I would love to get my hamburger straight from the cow, but until they get themselves better organized, I am forced to deal with those McMiddlemen.

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SwirlsGirl

As always signupdamnit you are spot on with your assesment, I have no disagreement with your assessment and perspective what so ever you are one of the few left who clearly sees thru the matrix and can articulate exactly the structure and chain of control that now permeates this industry.

thank you for chiming in

DTK

Ahh that wonderful, positive attitude that gets everyone rallying to your cause. Or something...

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lagcam

I imagine that what they are saying is that your business is fine, but you and your previous erratic accusatory demeanour have made you unbackable.

I thought you had already stepped back from dealing with the business side and that things were going well working with Beaner? Or did I miss something?

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lagcam

How are paypal not middlemen?

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SwirlsGirl

I understand why there are middle men I get it 100%....I am only asking if many of you agree that they have too much control??

That was the whole point of the thread....either you feel they have too much control, or you feel they don't.

I have no hostility anymore, I hope I do not come off bitter and hostile because believe it or not, I am doing wonderful right now, I am happy, I am content, I know who I am, and what I have accomplished and feel great about it.

Sure middle men are every where, lawyers, sports agents, real estate, I understand, everybody got to get their piece of the pie.

Contrary to what you may think is the motivation behind this thread it surely is not because of lacking sales....and it surely is not because I have nothing better to do.

I am trying to push new ideas and new ways of looking at how this industry is structured and trying to effect change by first getting some to think differently about what we have been led to believe about the state of this industry.

SwirlsGirl

Perhaps I should have offered to suck your cock when you insulted me...I am sorry may I suck your cock please sir?

DTK

I didn't intend to insult you. I was just pointing out your pattern of blaming billers for your difficulties...but here I am, saying the same things to you that people more qualified have said repeatedly. Shame on me. Carry on.

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SwirlsGirl

"previous erratic accusatory demeanour"

Listen I will level with you because I appreciate colleagues in the industry who have read some of my posts, and even though we may have some different views it shows that you take me seriously enough to read my posts whether you agree with them or not.

We have made great strides with Beaner and hope to continue making strides but we are at a point where there can no longer be any debate or denying that this site is long over due for a merchant account of its own.

Our relationship with Beaner is pretty good, we do not always agree on everything but what we understand about relationships is there has to be compromise.

He has made plenty of compromise and gone above and beyond the call of duty, and its fair to say so have we, and together we see very very promising potential with the site, but I am of the mindset especially after the past 3 months that traffic and affiliates are not whats holding us back.

In fact I can state it matter of factly and absolutely that our sales in the past have been deliberately and maliciously restricted...period....I am convinced I don't care that some of you naive people think its sounds conspiratorial...

me talking like this is not whats fucked up and inappropiate!!!!

Whats fucked up and inappropiate is that the shit did happen to us, and if it happened to us it could potentially happen to others.

And I am saying a middle man gettin angry with you and fucking with your sales is reason enough to wrestle back some of that control from middle men

SwirlsGirl

Fine fine I am not looking for a pissing match with anyone, I wish I could get along with many of you but I get the brunt of personal attacks when I rarely if ever attack any individuals, I ask direct and serious questions to companies that I do business with when I smell a rat, and I get attacked every single time.

I do not enjoy the attacks but I have to speak facts or I am no different then a middle man who gets caught executing approval declines!

But yall don't want to touch approval declines with a 10 foot pole do ya's

No maybe we need a 10 page thread about approval declines to generate some interest...oops shouldn't have posted that....just might be going on vacation with my good man wehateporn!

lagcam

I find it hard to believe that somebody who made a commission on your sales was deliberately declining sales, but I suppose anything is possible if you piss off the wrong person and he or she takes it too personal.

Your secondary defence against this is cascading billing or offering customers a choice of processors so that no one individual or company can mess with your business. (Primary defence is of course don't piss off processors by calling them out on boards!)

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sarettah

So, your main issue is how tight the scrub is ?

Just making sure I understand this month's version of the issue.

Thanx

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SwirlsGirl

who has an issue, I asked if middle men have too much control and the flames and attacks ensue as usual.

you cannot question or speak ill of the middle men without sufficient consequences, however middlemen not withstanding I am a Goddess, and I am the one test case they should not have tested.

they got caught red handed by the wrong person and it haunts them...however they have bigger problems then me on the boards.

It humors me that so many think I am a bitter 1 sale a dayangry with the world fried,died,and laid to the side web girl who is blaming all of lifes ills on middle men...hardly the case at all.

I blame certain troubles directly on certain middlemen, plenty of good decent middle men in the world, however its the concept that is as old as business itself.

Middle men would prefer you operate solely on trust and blind faith and out source the worry of sales and stats to them.

I say based on what I now know, that there should be nothing wrong with trusting your middlemen so long as the ability to verify what middle men report is present along with that blind trust.

Trust but verify

SwirlsGirl

Hey Lagcam I am not attacking you or trying to insult you but your naivety is showing with this post....

One does not have to be pissed off to have reason or motivation to block,cap,restrict,time out,or approval decline sales!

All one needs is to be in dire straits and too big too fail, for the end to justify the means.

I would rather it be 100% personal vendetta at blocking sales, if it were just me, but I think many are experiencing approval declines and are not even remotely aware of this phenomenon.

As hard as it is to believe it is provable but I will not indict anyone individual or company here, but they really should have covered their tracks better before they rolled the dice and played fast and loose with certain transactions and got caught.

In fact they should have made a thank you thread for me not posting more about it...but middle men generally are not humble, rational, or compassionate, and would rather get away scott free and not be held accountable.

Most of you help them escape accountability by chiming in with your disbelief and doubt about what powers they yield, the fraud that they are engaged in, and what they are truly capable of.

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Amazing all this shit that happens to you and not anyone else.. ever wondered why?

bean-aid

This is what happened with netbilling.
Account was doing phone sales, bank terminated account because of it.
M etbilling said they did not authorize phone sales, yet they are the ones that set that up. I believe that 100%.
So sara now has a sower taste... to be expected.

We are doing it over now. We have friends that will open a merchant account and we are going to bkow the cuckold niche out of this world.

SwirlsGirl

I thought about sharing all the details of this ordeal because the whole thing was fucking foul, and I mean fucked up foul, the way they lied, the way they stole, and the way they tried to come to gfy and do damage control about this *MISUNDERSTANDING*

I never in a million years thought a company with such a great reputation on gfy could set us up with a merchant account, have their techs install,set up, configure, test, and authorize us to do phone and webcam billing....then turn around 5 months later without any chargebacks,fraud,or suspicious activity....allow a repugnant decrepid,pot bellied nasal degenerate minion to steal our settlement funds, close our merchant account, and try to prevent us from ever getting a merchant account again.

Yeah we are such terrible and evil human beings for wanting to speak with our fans and customers over the telephone.

They said they never told us we could do phone and webcam with the merchant account, we said sure you did, not only did you tell us we could, you had your techs set it all up and test it out??? What the mother fucking fuck???

Needless to say they flat out stole about $400.00 bucks plus reserves and holdback, and we never seen a nickel of it!

There is no more to the story there is nothing I am leaving out that is the way it happened and that is our last involvement with a merchant account.

To add insult to injury we later found out that the so called *bank* who stole our funds was not even a bank...they were a merchant account services company masquerading as a bank that had been closed for almost 10 years!!!!!!

You cannot make this shit up!!! But yeah they would rather you believe that we violated some policy or rule and were desperados who look for trouble and are impossible to work with....

So if anyone here can help us secure a merchant account to be able to accept a variety of transactions on a daily basis! I mean we get sales every single day and this week alone had 8 denials with one of our billers!!!!

The trouble with 8 transaction denials this week is that we now know that just because a middle man reports a transaction as a decline transaction does not mean it was really declined. One needs to verify it him/herself

With your own merchant account you are not relying on the biased reporting of a 3rd party, you are the one seeing all transactions in real time as they happen.

SwirlsGirl

Hey Beaner, much appreciated!! It means a ton that you made this post, and I sincerely appreciate it.

I was not going to put netbilling on blast because I actually believed we could convince them to give us another shot in the interest of good steady business but it is what it is.

Despite them mistreating us and allowing a parasite to almost ruin our business we still never tried to smear or besmirch them because we are not evil vindictive people at all and the universe must have our back because we are still here more loved than ever by our fans and loathed and hated by parasites,middlemen, and their blind misguided worshipers

Real recognizes real, and our story is one of a kind...Middle men should not fear doing business with us if they are on the up and up....treat us right and we treat you right, very simple...but as you know

zombaio closed our account for posting about late payouts....then they came to gfy and said they shut our account for some *other* reason but not as a vendetta...sure

Netbilling closes our account not for charge backs, not for fraud,not for faulty and abusive billing, but somebody in their circle became desperate for funds and revenue and chose to steal our funds that we worked hard for because they cannot generate funds as skillless middlemen, they can only take funds that are not theirs to take.

Honestly we are doing better with verotel and I have no reason to suspect verotel is doing anything shady but I see some limitations with what we can do with 3rd party billing and thats the bottom line.

We know what real money is, we know what we should be generating, and with 3rd party billing you are just not going to hit your full growth potential.

Funny thing is when we told the good folks at netbilling that as far as we are concerned stealing our settlement funds is theft and the so called bank must be very desperate to steal our money and try to justify stealing our money with some vague and ambiguous flimsy accusation that we did the most heinous and treacherous crime imaginable of doing phone and webcam shows and not telling anybody when netbilling set it all up is a motherfucking jerry springer episode in adult biz.

Netbilling actually said this to us..."oh nobody is going to steal your money its only 400.00 bucks...this isabank they do not need to steal your money"

Yeah 2 years later the fuckers still have our money, and never returned any of it, and even tried to go into our bank account several times more which is a whole different conversation!!!!!!!!!! But yeah middle men are honest and sincere, and evil wicked Sara and her hubby are desperate evil sheisters who are mad at the world because they only get 1 sale a day...LOL only in the minds of real lunatics

Manfap

Great now its out in the open, lets hear what netbilling have to say. Not a digg at you, just good to hear bothsides cause if it went down as you said, you have the right to be pissed.

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The fail is strong in this thread...

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SwirlsGirl

You are foolish middle men = middle men

Sara Swirls = revenue generator

I understand middle men are needed in business....I suggest they have too much control

The fact that you have to come to them and almost beg for their services to be able to accept credit transactions shows who the puppet master is

Fall out with them and try to hold them accountable and you get made an example like me.

Still it does not discourage me because I stand on solid ground...you cannot stop an idea whose time has come.

Think about Prince and his battle with middle men (record companies) Same exact principle here no different.

Prince is the most prolific and giftend musician of our generation hands down period end of story.

He is an artist and creator of music that fans will always wnat to hear and will always support what he does.

What happend when he called out the record companies for fraud, abuse, censorship, and many other shady things that middle men do to artists.

People thought he was nuts psycho insane after landing a 100 million dollar record deal.

Well the fallout was him wanting artistic control over how he delivered and sold his music to his fans.

The middle men (record companies wnated him to focus on music and videos while they focused on maximizing revenue from each record to the point of holding back and stifling his creativity.

Now He felt strongly that to have sold a cd album at 14.95 and for somebody like him to only receive $2.00 per album sold was robbery.

He wanted to do business directly with his fans and offer albums much cheaper circumventing the middle men who take so much off the top and then falsify the STATS REPORTS and SALES.

Prince realized then that the system of music delivery and profit structure was not setup to benefit artists like him but to benefit greedy shady middle men and execs who new nothing about art,music, but knew everything about blood sucking the lion share of the profits made from his musical work.

They tried to black ball him so he could not distribute his music or get a deal any where.

They called him crazy, psycho, looney, spolied, drama addicted you know all the ususal names slung at people who go against the grain.

He stuck to his guns stopped cooperating with the system and ultimately because of his large loyal fan base and following he divorced from record companies and set up a venue to eliminate most of the middle men and deal directly with his fans who wanted to buy his art.

So ultimately him going against the grain and making a stand for what he believed in his heart was a just cause even when no one else understood or supported his efforts...something inside him was guiding his dealings, and ultimately it boiled down to having more freedom as an artist and business man.

Which drove down prices for his music, which saved fans tons of money, and there was not middlemen execs to scrape 80% of the profits anymore!

I use The Legendary Prince as an example to show just because a system is set up one way and it has obvious limitations and flaws nothing is ever going to change unless someone some where lays it all on the line and says no more....not today.

I am here to tell you there is a new age upon us, and the days of the middle man having total control and set up to profit,and control who profits is not sustainable

customers are pissed, merchants are pissed and middlemen are just passing the buck.

To the gfy idiot who went to my website and sent an email asking me to stop posting on gfy....

What happened to free speech....how troubled must you be by my posts to go to my site and send an anonymous email asking me to stop posting on Gfy....I love it!

SwirlsGirl

Its going to be my word against there's and it was a wrong done to us that they never corrected or sought to correct.

They trounced us and we pleaded desperately with them to not do us dirty because they had such a good reputation it seemed we could hardly believe they were going to sit by and allow the scum to steal our revenue the week of thanksgiving, and causing us to have to cancel thanksgiving plans.

Those are the details never discussed its just shut up swirlgirl you are psycho....but what is never discussed are the consequences and cluster fuck that result from a middle man fucking you out of your money just because he can

The family members that are effected,the dominoe effect of being forced to cancel plans, pay back customers money because the bank stole it and the customer does not want to hear that all they know is they spent money on our site for goods and services and we have to deliver goods and services even without the funds needed to grant the goods and services.

Yeah its a big mess when they do stuff like this,but it happens all the time and they get away with it.

So I have had to sit here and watch them for the past 2 years post in my threads, try and generate business from others without ever even formally apologizing to us that they hooked us up with some cruddy pseudo bank!

No its much easier to join the bandwagon and say see Sara is crazy nobody wants to work with her....no they worked with us and just got in a tight spot and needed 400 bucks for the weekend

If it was any other valid reason they would have returned our customers funds, but no they still have the funds, and still have their reputation and I would not be surprised to find out they have done this scam to many more small business owners.

What happened to us with them was just like a rogue cop assaulting you and attacking you with his baton and taser, and then charging you with contempt of cop and assault

They fucking screwed us out of money and then took the position that we were bad people who should never be allowed to process payments from our customers...but wait, they said sell the website first and then we can set up another account for it LOL

It is no different then a thug on the telling you to reach for the sky and empty your pockets...That is exactly the same theft....one is on the street with a hoody, and the other is in an air conditioned office, on the other side of the country planning, plotting on a way to scheme and steal your money!

Hello Approval Decline.....God almighty thank you for revealing the uncanny APPROVAL DECLINE trick to us!

OldJeff

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Needless to say they flat out stole about $400.00 bucks plus reserves and holdback, and we never seen a nickel of it!
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So if I am filtering through this shit you think Netbilling fucked with your account to steal $400 from you ?

You are fucking crazier than I first thought

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WarChild

It's even worse than that. Netbilling didn't steal money from her, the bank NEEDED the $400 to stay in business.

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man all this time i've been blaming myself for not being rich and successful in business when all the while i could have been blaming others for this instead...

how much does excuses pay anyway?

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Sly

Out of curiosity… The ones that do become successful, how do they do it, even with middlemen? They don't have the money yet to pay people off. Do they kill someone? Is that the trick?

Glen, that's what you are doing wrong. You need to become a murderer. I'm sure you could hook up with that dude that chopped off the head on the bus, he probably has some great insight on this topic.

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Imagine that. A lunatic has nothing but a string of unsuccessful relationships behind her.

Weird.

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Bman

How much revenue do you generate?

are we talking a $1k a month or $10k+

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if you produce porn and all you have to worry about is a billing company count your blessings. I just got out of a 3rd world dungeon after 2 weeks for filming a regular ass pov scene with a 25yr old, over 2 yrs ago... with ID, 2257, etc but thats common island extortion. house was also raided and everything seized that wasnt nailed down. sure billing is crucial im just saying your gripes as a producer could be much worse if you ever get talent blowback. just charge it to the game and live to fight another day. like it or not, we are all viewed as criminal misfits to those outside of the industry. pay the price

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WarChild

That was bound to happen to you sooner or later. I'm surprised it took this long really. You were warned by multiple people multiple times.

Still, sorry to hear you got fucked over like that. Hope you recover quickly and good luck.

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SwirlsGirl

Let me be clear and precise.....Netbilling never stole 400 bucks from us!

What they did was knowingly hooked us up with a merchant account service company and they improperly called this company a bank.

One day we were supposed to receive a settlement for 400 bucks from the bank...the settlement never came.

400 bucks was collected from a group of my customers and supposed to be settled into our account within 48 hours...the funds never came.

We called to find out where our 400 bucks were and was told *the bank* intercepted the funds and they were concerned about transactions.

We called this pseudo bank and said what is your concern about transactions...has there been fraud, or suspicious activity?

They said no there has not, but this account is supposed to be selling tangible goods right.

We said sure we are selling tangible goods, as well as billing for phone consults, and webcam shows.

This pseudo banker with the nasally accent said well I had no idea you did phone and webcam.

We said really thats funny because wehave been doing it ever since netbilling tech support set up the phone buy now buttons and tested it all out to make it work properly.

He said well where are your sales coming from ....we said sales come directly from the site.

Many customers like to order dvds and then they like to talk candidly about the scenes on the phone with me.

He said can you send me all your marketing materials. We said what does that have to do with releasing our funds and when will you send our 400 bucks?

He said I may need to go back in and re code the merchant account because there is more risk associated.

We tried desperately to use reason and logic...we said look there have been no chargebacks the revenue is steady and growing rapidly, we asked netbilling if billing for phone and webcam would be permitted with this merchant account and netbilling said and I swear to heaven they told us yes you can...but you may not bill for any memberships!!!!

They made us sign a seperate statement swearing we would not use the merchant account to bill for membership subscriptions!!!!!!!

WE NEVER BILLED FOR MEMBERSHIP SUBSCRIPTIONS and we never would want to risk losing something so valuable to us, so why would we deliberately do something to kill our business...thats not us, we would not sit up there and do something we were advised not to do.

Long story short, we asked netbilling to try and explain to this pseudo banker that they set up the phone buttons and tested everything for us, and they are the ones who signed off and said we would be fine doing it!!!!!

Then netbilling does for whatever reason a complete 180 degree turn on us, and said oh my we never knew you were billing for phone.

They said you even signed a letter saying you would not bill customers for site memberships! They said a membership and a phone session is the same thing.

We said well in our book a membership is a membership and a phone session is a phone session.

We said to the banker this.... Listen we have been down this road before we get the sense you are going to try and do everything to keep our 400 bucks.

Just let me know now if you are going to release our funds or not. We did nothing intentionally wrong and we followed every rule to the best of our ability.

We pleaded and said this is a big misunderstanding can we just sort this out as adults, and work through it.

The bank and netbilling kept passing the buck...bank was blaming netbilling, netbilling was blaming the bank and us.

We said listen we value our account we would never have processed a telephone consult if we thought for 1 second we did not have approval to do so.

The pseudo banker as well as netbilling said because of this misunderstanding you are going on the tmf list, you are losing your merchant account, and you are not getting your money!

Thats how they fucking rolled...pure empirical fuck you type of strong arm gestapo business.

So there we are left with no merchant account, ruined holiday plans, pissed of customers, no way to accept phone calls or webcams...it was a big fucking disaster that did not have to be.

My husband tried valiantly to get in touch with mitch farber thru email, telephone, message board because we had seen enough of Mitch's posts on the board to think he was reasonable and the type of guy who cared about his clients.

He never returned a phone call, email, or instant message...he made a post on the boards saying it was unfortunate what happened but it wasn't our fault it was the bank.

We felt let down, betrayed, discombobulated, and bitter for we worked very hard at designing the phone page, investing in the leads, watching the phone calls come in, and sales start to grow only to have a psuedo banker steal our money and shut us down because he can.

SwirlsGirl

Sorry to hear that Shimmy, that is definitely an ordeal that would be far worse than losing 400 bucks, very sorry to hear what happened to you as I feel for you because we are connected and it could happen to anyone of us I suppose who might have been in the location with you doing production work!

That fucking sucks, but Shimmy how is that not different then what I discuss in this thread...you got jacked by the cops ...I got jacked by the middle men

No matter how you slice it there are predators sitting around ready to pounce on producers and revenue generators because ass hats and skil less middle men never generate their own revenue, they simply leech, steal, and jack other peoples revenue.

Same principle although you definitely did not deserve to be thrown in a cage, for a victimless crime between consenting adults!

Thats is unacceptable glad you are ok!

FingerPrinter

This disgusting psycho bitch has taken one too many black cocks and has gone off the deep end. Ban this idiot already...

DamianJ

SwirlsGirl

calling for my banning....I must be doing and posting something right!

please your lordship please ban her....ban her....sheis talking bad about my overlords middlemen masters

We can't have that...first rule in adult biz...DO NOT TALK ILL OF THE MIDDLE MEN!

Oh no do not allow anyone to question or expose the middle men...

Help the middle men are under attack..LOL

Jel

Let me save you typing out thousands and thousands of words to add to the thousands and thousands you have already typed, in your attempt to find out if people agree that you are getting fucked over as you feel you are:

you need middle men; whether they have too much control is moot; use them, or don't; the end.

Supz

You are not rattling cages. We dont care what you say. We all think you are nuts. You are only doing it to yourself. Then the rest of us are laughing at you.

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Due

It sounds to me like they tried to work with you to fix your merchant account and you where not happy with what they requested from you.
Phone sex and taking orders through the phone is VERY different. You say it isn't in your book but you should understand that if didn't matter what your book say because you are not the one making the rules.
You will never succeed until you understand that.
Nobody works for free, time is money and if you consume more time than money you will always see the door being slammed in your face.

Just look at what you complain about, 400 in revenues that is about 15-20 in fees, split between visa, the bank, the gateway, how much do you expect them to do for 5-6? It sounds like they even tried to help you out after the fuck up.
And you are still but happy with the fees ccbill charges you ?

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Just do the work that the "middle men" do for you all by yourself.

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arock10

Seems pretty straight forward

You used a merchant account that was only for tangible goods (DVDs) for intangible transactions (webcams+phone). Intangible transactions are more risky. Read your documents closer next time and just don't assume

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SwirlsGirl

What the mother fucking fuck is wrong with you?

You do not read with comprehension.....THEY STOLE THE MONEY IN THIS INSTANCE AND FABRICATED A REASON TO JUSTIFY IT.

Thats the point the money is still in their hands they stole it! I come here to talk about it and you say they should get paid for gateway use etc...

No wonder I am an island in a sea of morons!

What part of *Netbilling set us up and approved us to do phone sessions thru their gateway, has their techs install and set phone and webcam services up...then turned around months later after revenue start coming in steadily and said we never said you can do that"

Then just take the funds we made from it with total impunity. Then try and twist it into something like we are bad, we are terrible, we are desperate.

no desperate ones stole the fucking money...and in their further obvious desperation they think they benefit from some one like you justifying them stealing money.

Welcome to the real world where people fuck you over because they can, and because they are desperate.

Hey I need money like everyone else and but I am not desperate to where I would just *TAKE* money from another human being...

Thats why all of you are fucking animals in my book who sit there and defend middle men stealing.

Tell me how this was not a desperate middle man stealing....further more I can admit when I am wrong, and when its my fault....

Having a company set us up to accept phone and webcam and then do a bold faced lie and say they didn't shows you how fucking corrupt and repugnant some sectors of the industry are.

You mother fuckers that hollar "oh thats just the way it is accept it or shut up and start your own billing....fuck you you don't have the mental aptitude nor the vision, nor the insult level to want to off set the imbalance of power between the middle men and us

fucking permanent pussies who worship authority, banks, pseudo banks,middlemen, and ass hats.

Only you would defend middle men theft only you!

OldJeff

Should be happy the card association did not fine you for improper use of a merchant account

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Sounds like some middle men did a good job on someone's ass... I'm sure they appreciate the kind words!

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I honestly don't understand your point Sara, WHY you even bothering posting on GFY. Who are you trying to convince? Affiliates won't work with you (which is a shame), program owners aren't interested, major players are too busy to even notice you, so WHO are you trying to convince and why are you even bothering?

Wouldn't your time be better spent writing articles and submiting them to drive traffic to your website? Or filming new content? Or taking all that typing and putting it on a Sara Swirls Blog to again improve your business? I don't get it.

If you think you're helping people (fellow webmasters) with your "information" please trust me, we got it. Thanks, but we can take it from here.

Maybe this is just your therapy or a way to vent. If so, that's cool but then don't be surprised or offended if most people treat you like the crazy ex-girlfriend who keeps rambling on about some shit you no longer (if ever) cared about.

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