Ex-CIA man says exposed U.S. spy scheme for better world - GoFuckYourself.com

nexcom28 · 06-09-2013, 03:42 PM

A former CIA employee working as a contractor at the U.S. National Security Agency said he was the man who had leaked details of a top secret U.S. surveillance programme, acting out of conscience to protect "basic liberties for people around the world."

Holed up in a hotel room in Hong Kong, Edward Snowden, 29, said he had thought long and hard before publicising details of an NSA programme code named PRISM, saying he had done so because he felt his country was building an unaccountable and secret espionage machine that spied on every American.

The CIA declined to comment.

Both the Washington Post and Britain's Guardian newspaper - to whom he gave the documents he had purloined - published Snowden's identity on Sunday after he sought to be identified.

"I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things ... I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under," he told the Guardian, which published a video interview with him on its website.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...0EL0PQ20130609

helterskelter808 · 06-09-2013, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by nexcom28

I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things ... I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under

...he said, from China.

Rochard · 06-09-2013, 04:17 PM

LOL. He is so fucking dead.

Paul · 06-09-2013, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

LOL. He is so fucking dead.

He pretty much said as much himself in his interview, something to the attune of "You can't expose something this big about people this powerful without expecting serious repercussions, if they want to find you it's only a matter of time before they do"

He shouldn't have bothered putting his neck on the line for a few days of headlines, anyone who followed the news after 9/11 knew this was happening. Most people in the US & UK don't give a shit, they'll forget all about it in a day or two and continue to share everything about their lives through Facebook, Twitter & Google anyway.

JFK · 06-09-2013, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

LOL. He is so fucking dead.

YUP

adultmobile · 06-09-2013, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

LOL. He is so fucking dead.

He is the hero in the media so US government will be unhappy if someone (else) kills him as everyone will think he was killed by the US government. I think he will be protected - even if, possibly, inside a jail for life.

Captain Kawaii · 06-09-2013, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

He is the hero in the media so US government will be unhappy if someone (else) kills him as everyone will think he was killed by the US government. I think he will be protected - even if, possibly, inside a jail for life.

He'll just disappear a few years down the road.

Rochard · 06-09-2013, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul

He pretty much said as much himself in his interview, something to the attune of "You can't expose something this big about people this powerful without expecting serious repercussions, if they want to find you it's only a matter of time before they do"

He shouldn't have bothered putting his neck on the line for a few days of headlines, anyone who followed the news after 9/11 knew this was happening. Most people in the US & UK don't give a shit, they'll forget all about it in a day or two and continue to share everything about their lives through Facebook, Twitter & Google anyway.

This is what I don't get - why take such risks to expose information that was already known by those who read about such things.

Did he just want his name in the newspaper or something?

Rochard · 06-09-2013, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

He'll just disappear a few years down the road.

Yep. And he'll be long forgotten by then and no one will even notice.

- Jesus Christ - · 06-09-2013, 05:15 PM

The spineless losers projecting their fear of death are pathetic and viscerally disgusting to me.

dyna mo · 06-09-2013, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul

He pretty much said as much himself in his interview, something to the attune of "You can't expose something this big about people this powerful without expecting serious repercussions, if they want to find you it's only a matter of time before they do"

He shouldn't have bothered putting his neck on the line for a few days of headlines, anyone who followed the news after 9/11 knew this was happening. Most people in the US & UK don't give a shit, they'll forget all about it in a day or two and continue to share everything about their lives through Facebook, Twitter & Google anyway.

i guess i'm out of the loop, i was not aware of a top secret project code named prism, until this fellow revealed it.

i think i know what you are saying but i think you are stretching things a lot.

Paul · 06-09-2013, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

This is what I don't get - why take such risks to expose information that was already known by those who read about such things.

Did he just want his name in the newspaper or something?

Who knows, perhaps he had already been burnt for another reason or is already on a hitlist and had nothing to lose, a bit like Benazir Bhutto

The fact he's in China suggests he may be a double agent, just a thought

This stuff happens all the time with whistleblowers, anyone remember Alexander Litvinenko killed by the KGB for exposing some of Russia's dark secrets

Paul · 06-09-2013, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i guess i'm out of the loop, i was not aware of a top secret project code named prism, until this fellow revealed it.

i think i know what you are saying but i think you are stretching things a lot.

I suppose I was a bit too vague with my post, what I meant was that after 9/11 the UK & US passed new laws where ISPs had to install black boxes on their servers and keep a record of everything for (I think it was 5 years)

So basically any intelligence agency had access to all this information anyway, it's just with this project PRISM it's taken it to a whole new level because it makes it so much easier for them to get direct access to the info they want or need.

I mean these laws where passed before Facebook, Gmail, Twitter existed - You know back when people still actually gave a shit about their privacy, when people where up in arms about Government proposed National ID cards etc around 2003 - 2005

baddog · 06-09-2013, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

...he said, from China.

No shit . . . . the irony is thick

adultmobile · 06-09-2013, 06:27 PM

For conspiracy theorists: bitcoin price dropped 17% after being stable for ages:

Perhaps learning of prism, some big guys feared govt would find more of who owns or buy what with bitcoins. Or perhaps, it's aliens.

Socks · 06-09-2013, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Yep. And he'll be long forgotten by then and no one will even notice.

Don't sound so happy/proud?

dyna mo · 06-09-2013, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul

I suppose I was a bit too vague with my post, what I meant was that after 9/11 the UK & US passed new laws where ISPs had to install black boxes on their servers and keep a record of everything for (I think it was 5 years)

So basically any intelligence agency had access to all this information anyway, it's just with this project PRISM it's taken it to a whole new level because it makes it so much easier for them to get direct access to the info they want or need.

I mean these laws where passed before Facebook, Gmail, Twitter existed - You know back when people still actually gave a shit about their privacy, when people where up in arms about Government proposed National ID cards etc around 2003 - 2005

i don't recall any black boxes being required by law to be installed on isp's after 9/11.

i do recall there was the surveliance act, they were monitoring foreign phone calls. then later there was the warrantless wiretapping, which consequential issues led to the end of that program.

i think we are on the same page though eh, this is a whole nother lever. people need to be all atwitter about this. obama is already on the defensive about it.

Rochard · 06-09-2013, 09:06 PM

Son of a bitch... This fucker dropped out of high school, got his GED, did not graduate from college, and had a comfy $200k a year job with a defense contractor...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...rview/2405873/

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Snowden grew up in Elizabeth City, N.C., but his family eventually moved to a gray-shingled house in Ellicott City, Md., near NSA headquarters at Fort Meade, the Guardian reported. He did not complete high school and instead earned a GED certificate. Snowden did not finish community college, where he studied computers.

In 2003, he enlisted in the U.S. Army, but broke both his legs in a Special Forces training accident and was discharged, he told the Guardian.

But this was the best part...

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The Guardian said Snowden is so worried about surveillance that he pads his hotel room door with pillows to prevent eavesdropping and drapes a hood over his head and laptop to avoid password detection by hidden cameras.

Socks · 06-09-2013, 09:11 PM

If you're good with computers, the fuck you need a degree for? 9/10 times I would hire the self taught programmer over someone who learned at school.

And if I was him I'd be paranoid too.. You should be especially paranoid at his actions, since he has first hand info on what technologies they're actually using these days to eavesdrop and such.

They said they can understand conversations by pointing a device at a glass pane window and reading the vibrations from a distance.... That's some scary shit.

I know you think you have "nothing to hide" but there are those of us who enjoy a bit of privacy.

Put it this way.. What if it wasn't the "government" listening to your calls, reading your e-mails etc.. But say Los Zetas? Then would you be worried?

Paul · 06-10-2013, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i don't recall any black boxes being required by law to be installed on isp's after 9/11.

i do recall there was the surveliance act, they were monitoring foreign phone calls. then later there was the warrantless wiretapping, which consequential issues led to the end of that program.

i think we are on the same page though eh, this is a whole nother lever. people need to be all atwitter about this. obama is already on the defensive about it.

Sorry my mistake, this law came out in the UK before 9/11

Regulation Of Investigatory Powers Act 2000

Also more good into about it here

Yes we are on the same page! It's absolutely terrifying if you sit and think about the wide spread implications down the line if our governments become more authoritarian.

No need for a trial if you've been accused or doing something wrong, all laid out infront of you in black and white

Also a great way to blackmail/manipulate people in the future if there is anything they've ever looked at or regretted doing online.

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Originally Posted by Socks

If you're good with computers, the fuck you need a degree for? 9/10 times I would hire the self taught programmer over someone who learned at school.

I know you think you have "nothing to hide" but there are those of us who enjoy a bit of privacy.

Put it this way.. What if it wasn't the "government" listening to your calls, reading your e-mails etc.. But say Los Zetas? Then would you be worried?

Sadly privacy is a thing of the past, just wait until Google glasses take off. Social trends are powerful things, governments have no need to force people to do things anymore when they can socially engineer them into doing what they want.

In 10 years time it won't surprise me if a big percentage of people are permanently wearing some form of augmented reality glasses whether it's Google or some other company and then every single thing you say or do will be recorded.

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The Guardian said Snowden is so worried about surveillance that he pads his hotel room door with pillows to prevent eavesdropping and drapes a hood over his head and laptop to avoid password detection by hidden cameras.

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Originally Posted by Socks

And if I was him I'd be paranoid too.. You should be especially paranoid at his actions, since he has first hand info on what technologies they're actually using these days to eavesdrop and such.

They said they can understand conversations by pointing a device at a glass pane window and reading the vibrations from a distance.... That's some scary shit.

The crazy thing is, this guy sounds like some deranged Tinfoil hat wearing motherfucker!

But this guy is an authority on the subject as you've mentioned because he's seen first hand what they are capable of doing!

LA Crew · 06-10-2013, 03:59 AM

seeandsee · 06-10-2013, 04:03 AM

they will kill him just to prove their point

NewNick · 06-10-2013, 04:07 AM

I find the whole thing totally ridiculous - I really dont care if the govt want to snoop on the bad guys.

I find the power of google et al a lot more worrying. Google is snooping and logging everything you do in display more ads and sell you more useless shit. Apple are turning into the thought police with their neo-con attitudes to naked women.

These corps are now so powerful that they can operate with a global footprint, domiciled nowhere, paying virtually zero corp tax, unregulated, more powerful than any government.

At this moment these digital mega corps make the CIA look like amateurs, they make fools of our tax authorities, and they hold more data about your lives than you could ever imagine.

Our governments can be changed if we don't like their policies, but who is governing Google ?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...d-eric-schmidt

The arrogance is breath taking.

Some of you might remember the EU fining Microsoft several billions when it added Explorer to Windows. Govt's decided that they (microsoft) were abusing their monopoly position to stifle competition. Back then they seemed to care when a company wielded too much power. However now they have lost their teeth.

NewNick · 06-10-2013, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

For conspiracy theorists: bitcoin price dropped 17% after being stable for ages:

Perhaps learning of prism, some big guys feared govt would find more of who owns or buy what with bitcoins. Or perhaps, it's aliens.

So not so anonymous after all............

Barry-xlovecam · 06-10-2013, 06:38 AM

This is proof that when there is a conspiracy -- someone talks.

The Bitcoin drop is just a sign of its instability.

adultmobile · 06-10-2013, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

paying virtually zero corp tax

If not the tax, they owe to government at least to give access to their servers.

beerptrol · 06-10-2013, 07:04 AM

For all I know he was a spy for China and leaked the info on China's orders!

onwebcam · 06-10-2013, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

I find the whole thing totally ridiculous - I really dont care if the govt want to snoop on the bad guys.

I find the power of google et al a lot more worrying. Google is snooping and logging everything you do in display more ads and sell you more useless shit. Apple are turning into the thought police with their neo-con attitudes to naked women.

These corps are now so powerful that they can operate with a global footprint, domiciled nowhere, paying virtually zero corp tax, unregulated, more powerful than any government.

At this moment these digital mega corps make the CIA look like amateurs, they make fools of our tax authorities, and they hold more data about your lives than you could ever imagine.

Our governments can be changed if we don't like their policies, but who is governing Google ?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...d-eric-schmidt

The arrogance is breath taking.

Some of you might remember the EU fining Microsoft several billions when it added Explorer to Windows. Govt's decided that they (microsoft) were abusing their monopoly position to stifle competition. Back then they seemed to care when a company wielded too much power. However now they have lost their teeth.

Google was floated and bloated using CIA seed money, as was facebook.

BlackCrayon · 06-10-2013, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Google was floated and bloated using CIA seed money, as was facebook.

don't forget twitter. what about myspace?

PR_Glen · 06-10-2013, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Google was floated and bloated using CIA seed money, as was facebook.

no it wasn't.

NewNick · 06-10-2013, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

no it wasn't.

Strange how a perfectly rational point can be spoiled when the loons butt in !

_Richard_ · 06-10-2013, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

Strange how a perfectly rational point can be spoiled when the loons butt in !

so you're saying that facebook hasn't used CIA seed money?

how much proof do you need in order to know it was?

dyna mo · 06-10-2013, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

So not so anonymous after all............

bitcoin blockchain is anon. the exchanges which are not part of the design, are not. the exchanges popped-up after the fact, as a service.

MrGusMuller · 06-10-2013, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

He is the hero in the media so US government will be unhappy if someone (else) kills him as everyone will think he was killed by the US government. I think he will be protected - even if, possibly, inside a jail for life.

He will die with cancer! or hit by a lighting bolt.

onwebcam · 06-10-2013, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

no it wasn't.

You think huh?

Facebook for example got around 13 million in initial seed money from In-Q-Tel.

In-Q-Tel of Arlington, Virginia, United States is a not-for-profit venture capital firm that invests in high-tech companies for the sole purpose of keeping the Central Intelligence Agency, and other intelligence agencies, equipped with the latest in information technology in support of United States intelligence capability..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-Q-Tel

and what do you know there's also reference to google CIA connections on the same page

"In-Q-Tel sold 5,636 shares of Google, worth over $2.2 million, on Nov 15, 2005.[6] The stocks were a result of Google’s acquisition of Keyhole, the CIA funded satellite mapping software now known as Google Earth."

_Richard_ · 06-10-2013, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

You think huh?

Facebook for example got around 13 million in initial seed money from In-Q-Tel.

In-Q-Tel of Arlington, Virginia, United States is a not-for-profit venture capital firm that invests in high-tech companies for the sole purpose of keeping the Central Intelligence Agency, and other intelligence agencies, equipped with the latest in information technology in support of United States intelligence capability..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-Q-Tel

well that saves me from digging up the info, thank you

dyna mo · 06-10-2013, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

You think huh?

Facebook for example got around 13 million in initial seed money from In-Q-Tel.

In-Q-Tel of Arlington, Virginia, United States is a not-for-profit venture capital firm that invests in high-tech companies for the sole purpose of keeping the Central Intelligence Agency, and other intelligence agencies, equipped with the latest in information technology in support of United States intelligence capability..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-Q-Tel

please.

1. the implication that investing in a start up give one access to that startup trade secrets is hilarious.

2. every single reference link on that wiki page is bullshit, except one, on that one it states:

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Over the years, some critics have dismissed In-Q-Tel as a government boondoggle. They have described the firms it invests in ominously as "CIA-backed," as if they were phony companies serving as cover for spy capers.

But in interviews with more than a dozen current and former CIA officials, congressional aides, venture capitalists that have worked with it and executives who have benefited from it, no one disputed that what began as an experiment in transferring private-sector technology into the CIA is working as intended.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...081401108.html

now go fuckk yourself for trying to derail a good thread with your bullshit ct rhetoric.

NewNick · 06-10-2013, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

so you're saying that facebook hasn't used CIA seed money?

how much proof do you need in order to know it was?

The accusation was that Google and Facebook were CREATED with CIA money.

And I think you will find that is patent bullshit.

_Richard_ · 06-10-2013, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

The accusation was that Google and Facebook were CREATED with CIA money.

And I think you will find that is patent bullshit.

oh. and you're laughing because you know for a fact it wasn't

can you prove that?

onwebcam · 06-10-2013, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

The accusation was that Google and Facebook were CREATED with CIA money.

And I think you will find that is patent bullshit.

I said floated. seed money...

dyna mo · 06-10-2013, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

I said floated. seed money...

where did you come up with this $13m figure? outer space? both companies were private at the time.

onwebcam · 06-10-2013, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

please.

1. the implication that investing in a start up give one access to that startup trade secrets is hilarious.

2. every single reference link on that wiki page is bullshit, except one, on that one it states:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...081401108.html

now go fuckk yourself for trying to derail a good thread with your bullshit ct rhetoric.

Oh look you found 1 link to assist you in denial. Should I delve into the Washington Post's history?

dyna mo · 06-10-2013, 08:43 AM

it is so absolutely bizarre with you nutters. here is one conspiracy we can all agree on, prism, well, all of us except rochard :-), nevertheless, you choose to blow that off, in favor of a brand new ct, yet the first one was so important just a while ago.

ct nutters are not about the theory, they are only about diverting the topic around to pay attention to themselves.

_Richard_ · 06-10-2013, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Oh look you found 1 link to assist you in denial. Should I delve into the Washington Post's history?

funny how this prism thing is now 'beyond a doubt', eh?

have we been arguing with a group of people that think so little of themselves, they are unable to question anything till tv tells em it's ok?

i.. thought it was just a joke, but now im not so sure

dyna mo · 06-10-2013, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Oh look you found 1 link to assist you in denial. Should I delve into the Washington Post's history?

no i dont want you to divert this thread to some bullshit about the wash post.

duh. i already mentioned your motive, derailing threads.

for once, stay on topic. if there were any opportunity better than this thread for you to do that, i have yet to see it.

dyna mo · 06-10-2013, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

funny how this prism thing is now 'beyond a doubt', eh?

have we been arguing with a group of people that think so little of themselves, they are unable to question anything till tv tells em it's ok?

i.. thought it was just a joke, but now im not so sure

yo uare really taking this topic as an opportunity to jab like this?

insane. you know that is completely retarded right? you go around syaing americans take it up the ass while we drink beer and watch tv yet when we get do finally show some concern and are learning more and such, you point your finger.

obvious troll is so very obvious.

_Richard_ · 06-10-2013, 08:54 AM

no meth today?

onwebcam · 06-10-2013, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

where did you come up with this $13m figure? outer space? both companies were private at the time.

It was actually 12.7 million in seed money. Do you not understand what seed money is?

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

no i dont want you to divert this thread to some bullshit about the wash post.

duh. i already mentioned your motive, derailing threads.

for once, stay on topic. if there were any opportunity better than this thread for you to do that, i have yet to see it.

The topic is about a ex-CIA agent leaking domestic spying efforts. You are arguing with me about whom the CIA has funded assisting them in those efforts. Having reading comprehension problems?

dyna mo · 06-10-2013, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

no meth today?

lolz. you think that's a jab at me? hahahahahahaha

dude, who is the one that told you i've done crystal?

it was me.

me.

dyna mo · 06-10-2013, 08:59 AM

well, i've been suckered in. sorry to the op and those trying to have a serious chat about it.

:-(

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nexcom28 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,716	Ex-CIA man says exposed U.S. spy scheme for better world A former CIA employee working as a contractor at the U.S. National Security Agency said he was the man who had leaked details of a top secret U.S. surveillance programme, acting out of conscience to protect "basic liberties for people around the world." Holed up in a hotel room in Hong Kong, Edward Snowden, 29, said he had thought long and hard before publicising details of an NSA programme code named PRISM, saying he had done so because he felt his country was building an unaccountable and secret espionage machine that spied on every American. The CIA declined to comment. Both the Washington Post and Britain's Guardian newspaper - to whom he gave the documents he had purloined - published Snowden's identity on Sunday after he sought to be identified. "I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things ... I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under," he told the Guardian, which published a video interview with him on its website. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...0EL0PQ20130609

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NewNick Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 7,033	I find the whole thing totally ridiculous - I really dont care if the govt want to snoop on the bad guys. I find the power of google et al a lot more worrying. Google is snooping and logging everything you do in display more ads and sell you more useless shit. Apple are turning into the thought police with their neo-con attitudes to naked women. These corps are now so powerful that they can operate with a global footprint, domiciled nowhere, paying virtually zero corp tax, unregulated, more powerful than any government. At this moment these digital mega corps make the CIA look like amateurs, they make fools of our tax authorities, and they hold more data about your lives than you could ever imagine. Our governments can be changed if we don't like their policies, but who is governing Google ? http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...d-eric-schmidt The arrogance is breath taking. Some of you might remember the EU fining Microsoft several billions when it added Explorer to Windows. Govt's decided that they (microsoft) were abusing their monopoly position to stifle competition. Back then they seemed to care when a company wielded too much power. However now they have lost their teeth. __________________ "Americas Hitler" JD Vance. “There isn’t really an upside to Trump.” Tucker Carlson. “a convicted felon rapist is now your president” OneHungLow, gfy.com

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,040	it is so absolutely bizarre with you nutters. here is one conspiracy we can all agree on, prism, well, all of us except rochard :-), nevertheless, you choose to blow that off, in favor of a brand new ct, yet the first one was so important just a while ago. ct nutters are not about the theory, they are only about diverting the topic around to pay attention to themselves.

06-10-2013, 08:54 AM	#47
_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 30,985	no meth today?

06-10-2013, 08:59 AM	#50
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,040	well, i've been suckered in. sorry to the op and those trying to have a serious chat about it. :-(