OBAMA, Seriously?? WTF SMH - Page 4 - GoFuckYourself.com

Robbie · 07-20-2013, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EonBlue

Obama's next press conference should include this line: "if I had a city it would look like Detroit."

ONE HUNNERT AND FITTY "HEROES" JUST LAYING THERE GETTING BEATEN

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 07-20-2013, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

A Libertarian is not a Republican no matter how much you try to make it so.

Where would anyone get such a wacky idea?

The fact is, the reason Ron Paul and Rand Paul don't run as Libertarian candidates is because they are unelectable as Libertarians, so they have transformed into Liberpublicans.

FACT: When Ron Paul ran as a Libertarian candidate for President he received less than 1/2 of 1% of the vote.

Nationally, in 2012, the Libertarian Party had it's best showing ever in a national election, yet they still received less than 1% of the popular vote from the electorate.

It's easy to make wild claims and unrealistic proposals when you know that they will never be tested since you don't have a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

A Libertarian believes in maximum freedom for the individual with central govt. having a minimum impact.

Liberpublicans like populist innocuous sounding proposals - who isn't for maximum freedom and minimum government?

It's only when you look closer that you realize that they are peddling platitudes, bromides, and snake oil cure-alls. Empty sloganeering that will never be tested, in order to generate millions of dollars in fundraising donations.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

I was a Democrat because of my social liberalism. But I found that Obama is no different than Bush. Killing people worldwide, spying on us, non-transparent, etc.

I hear Libertarians say this, yet Ron and Rand Paul run as Republicans.

While it is true that the Republicans and Democrats are both capitalist parties that are not as far apart as each party would have the public believe, Liberpublican utopia is a crackpipe dream.

Unfortunately, due to our political structure, and how much money and organization it takes to compete in elections, it is increasingly hard for smaller parties to get any foothold with the electorate. The winner take all system virtually shuts out most 3rd party candidates at anything above the local level (not that 3rd party candidates do that well locally either).

I've always thought it was curious that after the US defeats a nation in war, that we have them adopt a Parliamentarian form of government, instead of our own form (Japan, Germany, Iraq).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

There is only one party for a true liberal minded person...Libertarian.
Unlike Republicans and Democrats, I don't need the govt. to tell me how to live my life. I'm a grown man.

Listen to you, talking like a big boy (or is that the testosterone steroids talking)?

The two most identifiable Libertarians, Ron and Rand Paul, are hypocritical frauds and opportunistic Liberpublican sell-outs...

Much as Libertarians like to proclaim their political purity, they engage in the same type of dishonest politics as the major political parties which they supposedly despise (and they have all but become a wing of the Republican party, lol).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

But you guys just keep on pretending that it's a "team sport". Rah-rah-rah!
Democrats are great and noble and just smarter than everyone else! And Republicans are all fat, greedy, stupid racists!

Liberpublicans are like kids that hate sports because they always lose.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

Yeah! That's real life!

Fucking sheep. lol

The Libertarian Party is to politics what the Church of Scientology is to religion.

ADG

Robbie · 07-20-2013, 03:27 PM

Your cartoons are stupid on this ADG.

Ron Paul isn't a Libertarian at all. And Rand Paul is about as far away as you could get.

Ron Paul has SOME "Libertarian" ideas...but he's not even close to being a real Libertarian.

You're a nice guy and everything. But to blindly follow the Democrats like they were the San Francisco 49'er is an ignorant thing to do.

The party of George Wallace and Robert Byrd is what the Democrats were for most of our lives (you're about the same age as me).

Their fairly recent "rebirth" to try and be tolerant and inclusive to social liberalism is something that was done for political reasons (like everything that every party does).

I can't even get you to understand anything outside of your Democrat comfort zone. Republicans are EXACTLY the same way.

No room for other ideas or concepts. And anyone who dares to NOT conform is ridiculed and shunned.

That kind of elitism and arrogance is what is hurting the Democratic Party (well, that and the fact that on important issues there is no difference between you and a Republican)

Have you really lost your way so much that you can't understand that a Libertarian simply wants LESS govt. interference in his/her life. That's it. Nothing complicated. Just simple personal freedoms.
You want to watch porn? No problem.
You want to smoke pot? Why not.
Gay marriage? Sure go right ahead.

But why don't you keep posting cartoons drawn by assholes who are trying to keep the two-party status quo because that's the way that the crooked politicians can keep their power.

Good move ADG. Showing some real deep thinking and class on this one.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 07-20-2013, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

Your cartoons are stupid on this ADG.

Ron Paul isn't a Libertarian at all. And Rand Paul is about as far away as you could get.

Ron Paul has SOME "Libertarian" ideas...but he's not even close to being a real Libertarian.

You're a nice guy and everything. But to blindly follow the Democrats like they were the San Francisco 49'er is an ignorant thing to do.

The party of George Wallace and Robert Byrd is what the Democrats were for most of our lives (you're about the same age as me).

Their fairly recent "rebirth" to try and be tolerant and inclusive to social liberalism is something that was done for political reasons (like everything that every party does).

I can't even get you to understand anything outside of your Democrat comfort zone. Republicans are EXACTLY the same way.

No room for other ideas or concepts. And anyone who dares to NOT conform is ridiculed and shunned.

That kind of elitism and arrogance is what is hurting the Democratic Party (well, that and the fact that on important issues there is no difference between you and a Republican)

Have you really lost your way so much that you can't understand that a Libertarian simply wants LESS govt. interference in his/her life. That's it. Nothing complicated. Just simple personal freedoms.
You want to watch porn? No problem.
You want to smoke pot? Why not.
Gay marriage? Sure go right ahead.

But why don't you keep posting cartoons drawn by assholes who are trying to keep the two-party status quo because that's the way that the crooked politicians can keep their power.

Good move ADG. Showing some real deep thinking and class on this one.

I'm not a Democrat...so your premise is wrong from the start, but thanks for playing.

How are the "real" Libertarians (who sure seemed to be supporters of the Paul's in past elections), honestly going to change the status quo when they can't even attract 1% of the popular vote?

On the bright side, you're part of the 1%.

ADG

PornoMonster · 07-20-2013, 04:48 PM

Rochard -- If there are only 3 streets, why was he Followed for 15 minutes or did you say 28, or whatever amount of time?

Anyone have a Map of where the Store is, and distance from TM house and Path??? I did miss first day or 2 of Trial so, sorry if this was in there...

Rochard · 07-20-2013, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Rochard -- If there are only 3 streets, why was he Followed for 15 minutes or did you say 28, or whatever amount of time?

Anyone have a Map of where the Store is, and distance from TM house and Path??? I did miss first day or 2 of Trial so, sorry if this was in there...

Three streets - Retreat View, Twin Trees, and Long Oak Way. Shooting took place at point three on the map. Zimmerman's truck was left on Twin Oaks closest to point 3, yet had to get out and walk between the buildings to see what street Retreat View is? There are two ways in / out of the complex, and no matter what you going to pass Retreat View every time. How in the world he could now know what street was on the other side?

Why was it seventeen minutes? Martin was a teenager and in hurry to get home. He more interested in talking to his girlfriend than he was going straight home. He took as long as possible. Not uncommon at all with kids.

Rochard · 07-20-2013, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

You're having trouble with the truth brother.

And you still have NOT answered my question:
If your daughter was being hit by a young man for ANY reason and was on the ground with her on top of him:

Would you want her to shoot the guy? Or just lie there like you said Zimmerman should have done and be a "hero"?

What's your answer?

I know what mine would be: I would want my daughter to shoot him.
And if Zimmerman had been a woman...TM wouldn't be talked about in the media as a "child" for goddamn sure.

This is very simple - you meet force with the appropriate amount of force. If someone is hitting you, you hit back. If someone is shooting you, you shoot back.

You don't shoot and kill someone because they punch you in the face.

This was a fist fight the ended up with the two of them rolling around on the grass. Zimmerman got a fat lip and two small cuts. His life was never threatened, nor he sustain any serous wounds. He did not go to the hospital, nor did he go to a doctor directly after the event.

onwebcam · 07-20-2013, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

Why was it seventeen minutes? Martin was a teenager and in hurry to get home. He more interested in talking to his girlfriend than he was going straight home. He took as long as possible. Not uncommon at all with kids.

If he was in a hurry to get home then why did he make it home and then leave. My guess is he was looking for a fight.

TheSquealer · 07-20-2013, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

This is very simple - you meet force with the appropriate amount of force. If someone is hitting you, you hit back. If someone is shooting you, you shoot back.

You don't shoot and kill someone because they punch you in the face.

This was a fist fight the ended up with the two of them rolling around on the grass. Zimmerman got a fat lip and two small cuts. His life was never threatened, nor he sustain any serous wounds. He did not go to the hospital, nor did he go to a doctor directly after the event.

Yeah, its very simple. The law, the court, the judge, the jury, the FBI, the State Prosecutor, the witnesses, the detectives and the police chief have done everything humanly possible to make it clear that it was self defense and justified. The rest is just you making shit up.

TheSquealer · 07-20-2013, 05:44 PM

Its also funny to see you constantly omitting the fact that he had a broken nose. You're very dishonest in your explanation.

Rochard · 07-20-2013, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Yeah, its very simple. The law, the court, the judge, the jury, the FBI, the State Prosecutor, the witnesses, the detectives and the police chief have done everything humanly possible to make it clear that it was self defense and justified. The rest is just you making shit up.

If that was the case... Why did it go trial?

Rochard · 07-20-2013, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Its also funny to see you constantly omitting the fact that he had a broken nose. You're very dishonest in your explanation.

I never heard that he had a broken nose. If he did, wouldn't he have gone to the doctor?

Rochard · 07-20-2013, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onwebcam

If he was in a hurry to get home then why did he make it home and then leave. My guess is he was looking for a fight.

I never heard that he went home. Is there any proof in that? Was the skittles and ice team at home, or on him? Wouldn't it make sense that if he was looking for a fight he would have dropped off his extra baggage at home first?

TheSquealer · 07-20-2013, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

If that was the case... Why did it go trial?

Rochard, everyone constantly thinks you're just trolling. First and foremost, you should consider that fact and consider why you are now relegated to "insane conspiracy theorist" by retreating to just posing questions and why people just can't believe you're serious with the insane shit you say.

You know why it went to trial. It went to trial because the governor (you know, the guy who oversaw the largest medicaid/medicare fraud in the history of the USA by his own company) appointed a special investigator... RATHER THAN GIVE THE EVIDENCE TO A GRAND JURY TO DETERMINE IF THERE IS SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE WHICH IS STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE and demanded the case be prosecuted

You are not part of the solution. You are delusional and confused and overly emotional, making arguments that rely heavily on twisting or omitting facts and evidence.

BTW>.. you never answered the question. Your daughter is walking home at night. She's meandering through others private property, she's being followed and knows it... she doesn't go home. She doesn't call the police. That individual then walks up to her, punches her in the face, knocks her down, starts beating on her AND YOUR ADVICE TO HER is that she lie there and hope for the best? Right? I mean, that all perfectly sums up how completely irrational you are.

theking · 07-20-2013, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

If that was the case... Why did it go trial?

Because the black shit disturbers and the lying media brought enough pressure on the Governor so he told his State Attorney General to do something. She did...and now she has to face a law suit...with possible disbarment and possible criminal charges.

Trend · 07-20-2013, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

This is very simple - you meet force with the appropriate amount of force. If someone is hitting you, you hit back. If someone is shooting you, you shoot back.

You don't shoot and kill someone because they punch you in the face.

This was a fist fight the ended up with the two of them rolling around on the grass. Zimmerman got a fat lip and two small cuts. His life was never threatened, nor he sustain any serous wounds. He did not go to the hospital, nor did he go to a doctor directly after the event.

I knew it!

baddog · 07-20-2013, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

Three streets - Retreat View, Twin Trees, and Long Oak Way. Shooting took place at point three on the map. Zimmerman's truck was left on Twin Oaks closest to point 3, yet had to get out and walk between the buildings to see what street Retreat View is? There are two ways in / out of the complex, and no matter what you going to pass Retreat View every time. How in the world he could now know what street was on the other side?

Looks like more than 3 simple streets to me

Quote:

Why was it seventeen minutes? Martin was a teenager and in hurry to get home. He more interested in talking to his girlfriend than he was going straight home. He took as long as possible. Not uncommon at all with kids.

His girlfriend . . . yeah, you paid close attention alright.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

This was a fist fight the ended up with the two of them rolling around on the grass. Zimmerman got a fat lip and two small cuts. His life was never threatened, nor he sustain any serous wounds. He did not go to the hospital, nor did he go to a doctor directly after the event.

How come you did not testify in the trial? You act like you saw the whole thing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

If that was the case... Why did it go trial?

Because of people like you.

theking · 07-20-2013, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

I never heard that he had a broken nose. If he did, wouldn't he have gone to the doctor?

That is because you did not watch the trial. At the trial a physician's assistant testified for the prosecution that in her opinion he had a broken nose. In addition she also testified that the injuries to his head...the cuts and the several swollen bumps...were consistent with having his head bashed against concrete.

This was a prosecution medical witness. BTW Zimmerman saw the physician's assistant the day after the incident.

baddog · 07-20-2013, 06:36 PM

Facts do not matter

theking · 07-20-2013, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

I never heard that he had a broken nose. If he did, wouldn't he have gone to the doctor?

In addition the defense put on their own expert...Dr. Vincent Di Maio...that also said Zimmerman had a broken nose.

Fetish Gimp · 07-20-2013, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

If that was the case... Why did it go trial?

Because of political agendas and high profile people who don't understand how the legal system works or are using the situation to further their personal agendas, and fuelled by the ignorance of people such as yourself who keep thumping their chests invoking gut feelings, hearsay and misinformation instead of looking at the evidence and facts.

But here, read up on it, although I doubt you will.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Der...7/14/id/514957

Quote:

Originally Posted by article

“The prosecutor had in her possession photographs that would definitely show a judge that this was not an appropriate case for second-degree murder,” the Harvard professor told Newsmax. “She deliberately withheld and suppressed those photographs, refused to show them to the judge, got the judge to rule erroneously this was a second-degree murder case.

“That violated a whole range of ethical, professional, and legal obligations that prosecutors have. Moreover, they withheld other evidence in the course of the pretrial and trial proceedings, as has been documented by the defense team,” he said.

Dershowitz described the prosecution’s attempt late in the case to add a third-degree murder charge by asserting the shooting constituted child abuse “so professionally irresponsible as to warrant sanctions and investigations.”

http://nationalreview.com/article/35...rida-john-fund

Quote:

Originally Posted by article

Recall that the investigation of Trayvon Martin’s shooting was taken out of the hands of local authorities and placed with an appointed special prosecutor named Angela Corey. She said her job was to rise above public pressure to indict Zimmerman, but within weeks she claimed her job was “to do justice for Trayvon Martin.” She quickly decided to charge Zimmerman with second-degree murder, a charge that may have satisfied public opinion but which required her to prove that the former Neighborhood Watch volunteer harbored ill will and spite against Trayvon Martin, whom he had never met until minutes before the shooting.

The Florida Bar’s rules state that the government’s attorneys shall “refrain from prosecuting a charge that the prosecutor knows is not supported by probable cause . . . [and] make timely disclosure to the defense of all evidence or information known to the prosecutor that tends to negate the guilt of the accused or mitigates the offense.”

Angela Corey flagrantly violated those standards. Her prosecutors waited months before giving the defense photos showing the extent of George Zimmerman’s injuries the night of the shooting. Ben Kruidbos, the information-technology director for the state attorney’s office, was shocked when he learned that prosecutors hadn’t turned over to the defense evidence of photos and text messages that Kruidbos had recovered from Martin’s cell phone. The photos included images of a pile of jewelry on a bed, underage nude females, marijuana, and a hand menacingly holding a semiautomatic weapon.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2...y-director-who

Funny how the only thing you hear is "Justice for Treyvon" and nobody talks about the politically-motivated witch hunt which violated Zimmerman's rights.

baddog · 07-20-2013, 07:07 PM

You think the justice department wants that can of worms?

Rochard · 07-21-2013, 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking

That is because you did not watch the trial. At the trial a physician's assistant testified for the prosecution that in her opinion he had a broken nose. In addition she also testified that the injuries to his head...the cuts and the several swollen bumps...were consistent with having his head bashed against concrete.

This was a prosecution medical witness. BTW Zimmerman saw the physician's assistant the day after the incident.

I did watch the trial. I also watched the other doctor say that his injuries inconsistent with Zimmerman's story. When this happens, you look at the evidence. The photos that night show me that he had a fat lip with two very small cuts on the back of his head. Combined with the fact that Zimmerman did not see a doctor directly after shooting leads me to believe that he was barely hurt.

Helix · 07-21-2013, 07:19 AM

Another perspective.

Rochard · 07-21-2013, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

Looks like more than 3 simple streets to me

It's really not difficult at all Baddog. It's three streets. More or less, one is a circle, one street goes (more or less) straight down that circle north to south, and another street that cross the circle west to east.

Zimmerman lived in this complex with three simple streets for how long, three years? And was a neighbor watch captain? And couldn't name one of three streets? Come on already...

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

His girlfriend . . . yeah, you paid close attention alright.

I don't know if they were banging or not; She was a girl and she was his friend. If he wasn't banging her I'm sure he was trying to.

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

Because of people like you.

This is very typical of a self defense case - they don't immediately arrest someone and press charges. Eventually they did.

TheSquealer · 07-21-2013, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

This is very typical of a self defense case - they don't immediately arrest someone and press charges. Eventually they did.

You really are delusional.

TheSquealer · 07-21-2013, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

I never heard that he had a broken nose.

Not only delusional... but bordering on what seems to be insane.

But yeah... obviously you watched the whole trial.

mineistaken · 07-21-2013, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Getsu

This shit is unreal.

The President of the UNITED STATES is unashamedly race-baiting.

Shameful indeed

baddog · 07-21-2013, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

I did watch the trial.

You watched a very small portion of it; in the beginning you admitted you were not watching it yourself. Your interpretation of the facts do not agree with the findings of the court.

Get used to it, you are wrong.

baddog · 07-21-2013, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

It's really not difficult at all Baddog. It's three streets. More or less, one is a circle, one street goes (more or less) straight down that circle north to south, and another street that cross the circle west to east.

Zimmerman lived in this complex with three simple streets for how long, three years? And was a neighbor watch captain? And couldn't name one of three streets? Come on already...

More or less 3 streets. You care to point out the testimony where he said he could not name any of the streets? Looking at the layout, do you not agree that in a place that large a street number might help?

Quote:

I don't know if they were banging or not; She was a girl and she was his friend. If he wasn't banging her I'm sure he was trying to.

Wait, I thought you said you watched the trial.

Quote:

This is very typical of a self defense case - they don't immediately arrest someone and press charges. Eventually they did.

Since it is so typical it should not be difficult for you to list a number of examples.

galleryseek · 07-21-2013, 11:19 AM

Only video you need to watch (released 1 day before the verdict) about the case..

And AsianDivas.. Ron Paul and Rand Paul are two entirely different people politically speaking. Ron Paul ran as a republican in an attempt to slowly introduce ideas of anarchism/voluntaryism to society. Proof:

Is it an effective approach? It depends on what your definition of effective means. He wasn't effective in becoming president, but was that ever the true goal? He helped me transition from a republican, to a minarchist, ultimately to an anarchist/voluntaryist/anarcho-capitalist from the exposure he received being a senator. His position and campaigning has always been one of education.

And yes, I agree that the libertarian political movement is largely shit. The libertarian philosophy of non-aggression however, is not.

baddog · 07-21-2013, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by galleryseek

He wasn't effective in becoming president, but was that ever the true goal?

Every Paultard I talked to insisted actually being elected was not the goal.

galleryseek · 07-21-2013, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

Every Paultard I talked to insisted actually being elected was not the goal.

Paultard, that's intelligent as fuck. You must be what, a Demorat? A republicunt?

TheSquealer · 07-21-2013, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by galleryseek

Paultard, that's intelligent as fuck.

Quote:

Originally Posted by galleryseek

You must be what, a Demorat? A republicunt?

.... Winner of todays most ironic post!

Robbie · 07-21-2013, 05:29 PM

Everything is going to be okay everybody.

I was watching CNN and on one of the panels of "experts" that they always have, a guy explained that President Obama is the "Educator In Chief" and the country can NOW have a "conversation" about race.

WTF???

I would THINK that black folks would be laughing their ass off at a "conversation" on race. I saw Rep. Bobby Rush who is the representative of Chicago talking about how they are going to solve the problem of black gangs killing blacks in Chicago. He's going to "solve" it by having the Black Caucus discuss ways to do it.
LOL!!!!
How about this Bobby Rush: Just put fucking cameras everywhere like other big cities do. Then actually send that small army (called the "police") into the fucking neighborhoods where all the crime is taking place.
"Talk", "Conversation", "Discuss", "Study". Fucking dumbass politicians. They already have a police force in Chicago. Tell them to start doing their jobs in the gang controlled neighborhoods instead of hiding in the "nice" neighborhoods giving out traffic tickets to soccer moms.

As for Obama: the two Presidents who oversaw the biggest change for black Americans were Abraham Lincoln...and Lyndon B. Johnson.

Don't know what prompted LBJ (an old redneck white Texan) to make giant steps forward for Civil Rights...maybe it was a way to try and take the heat off of himself for basically condemning over 50,000 young men to die in the senseless Vietnam War (a lot of them young black men by the way).

But now Pres. Obama...the greatest man alive on Earth...is the "Educator In Chief" and will instruct all of us on race relations.

Thank God! I was so worried. But now HE has come to save the day! The "Educator In Chief"

Rochard · 07-21-2013, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

More or less 3 streets.

It was not "more or less three streets". It was exactly three streets.

How could he not know where he was? All he needed to do was look out his window and see the street number and he could quickly say "I am on Twin Trees outside of building 6 and the suspect was last seen heading east".

Robbie · 07-21-2013, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

It was not "more or less three streets". It was exactly three streets.

How could he not know where he was? All he needed to do was look out his window and see the street number and he could quickly say "I am on Twin Trees outside of building 6 and the suspect was last seen heading east".

Because he was lying about that. The truth is he got out of his vehicle because the neighborhood watch is SUPPOSED to be on foot and he followed TM on foot so as to not lose sight of him.

But being a dumbass, he made up that stupid story.

Who knows why people say shit? Just like you exaggerated his age in your earlier posts and also denied saying he would have been a "hero" if he had just lay there and beat his ass...until I quoted you saying it.

See? People tell their story to make themselves look good and to suit their way of telling things.

Not even sure why you two are debating it. It's dumb.

He was on the Neighborhood Watch. He is supposed to be on foot and help protect the community. Not sit on his fat ass in his car (which he was doing). So getting out and following on foot is what he should be doing.

What the hell use is Neighborhood Watch anyway if they don't do their job?

If somebody is on Neighborhood Watch in my community, I want them on foot like they are supposed to be and I want them to call 911 and then keep the person in their line of site at all times so they can tell the cops where he is.

GZ's mistake is that HE didn't run when TM came after him to beat his ass.

Fetish Gimp · 07-21-2013, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

It was not "more or less three streets". It was exactly three streets.

How could he not know where he was? All he needed to do was look out his window and see the street number and he could quickly say "I am on Twin Trees outside of building 6 and the suspect was last seen heading east".

Oh boy. You really try to grab any straw, however thin it might be, because demonizing Zimmerman is the only way to justify the baseless witch hunt the media mounted.

So Zimmerman "is a liar" because he was confused about where he was exactly. Sure, we can't assume that he was nervous, or that it was an overcast night.

Oh no, "he lied about that, therefore he lied about EVERYTHING".

Yet when Martin's school record is brought up (getting suspended, being in trouble) or his twitter account (NOLIMITNIGGA), or the pictures found in his cellphone of him holding a gun, or pot smoking, then "it's just kid stuff".

How very convenient.

galleryseek · 07-21-2013, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

.... Winner of todays most ironic post!

Apparently that I was being sarcastic, using his etiquette against him went over your head. ;)

PornoMonster · 07-21-2013, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fetish Gimp

Oh boy. You really try to grab any straw, however thin it might be, because demonizing Zimmerman is the only way to justify the baseless witch hunt the media mounted.

So Zimmerman "is a liar" because he was confused about where he was exactly. Sure, we can't assume that he was nervous, or that it was an overcast night.

Oh no, "he lied about that, therefore he lied about EVERYTHING".

Yet when Martin's school record is brought up (getting suspended, being in trouble) or his twitter account (NOLIMITNIGGA), or the pictures found in his cellphone of him holding a gun, or pot smoking, then "it's just kid stuff".

How very convenient.

Plus, if it is so small of an area, why did Zimmerman have to follow TM for what 15 minutes? 12? 18? I don't know exactly the amount of time, but I would think the store was Closer, and the entrance of the gated housing addition close to TM house. I guess he wanted to walk in the rain and eat skittles, maybe looking for something to do... or take at a later date.

We can ALL make up what we want to believe in our minds, like Rochard is doing.

baddog · 07-21-2013, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

Don't know what prompted LBJ (an old redneck white Texan) to make giant steps forward for Civil Rights...maybe it was a way to try and take the heat off of himself for basically condemning over 50,000 young men to die in the senseless Vietnam War (a lot of them young black men by the way).

So, in your mind he knew what was going to happen in Nam before we really got involved.

That guy just never got enough credit.

winter_ · 07-21-2013, 08:48 PM

zimmerman was not racist, but he was still a murderer.

escorpio · 07-21-2013, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by winter_

zimmerman was not racist, but he was still a murderer.

Trayvon was a racist and it got him killed.

baddog · 07-21-2013, 09:12 PM

Robbie · 07-21-2013, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

So, in your mind he knew what was going to happen in Nam before we really got involved.

That guy just never got enough credit.

I didn't say anything about anything "in my mind". Not sure why you are trying to insult me by criticizing my thought processes. They've served me well and made me very successful in my life so far thank you very much.

I very clearly pointed out he was under INTENSE pressure over the Vietnam War.
He was looking for anything to take the focus off of it.

I'm theorizing that perhaps Civil Rights was one of the ways he tried to shift the focus of the media away from Vietnam.

If so, it didn't work. I assume you know that he declined to run for a second elected term as President and that the Democrat nominee in 1968 (Humphey) was saddled with the Vietnam War as a "Democrat War" (kinda like Republicans and Bush in 2008 and 2012 with the Iraq War)

Nixon won as an anti-war candidate and history was changed (can you say "war on drugs"?)

Anyway, you are TOTALLY missing my point: Idiots on television news calling Obama the "Educator In Chief" on race relations is a joke in my opinion. LBJ (white, redneck, cowboy, from Texas) did more for blacks than Obama has ever, ever done.
That was my point.

baddog · 07-21-2013, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

I didn't say anything about anything "in my mind". Not sure why you are trying to insult me by criticizing my thought processes. They've served me well and made me very successful in my life so far thank you very much.

I very clearly pointed out he was under INTENSE pressure over the Vietnam War.
He was looking for anything to take the focus off of it.

I'm theorizing that perhaps Civil Rights was one of the ways he tried to shift the focus of the media away from Vietnam.

If so, it didn't work. I assume you know that he declined to run for a second elected term as President and that the Democrat nominee in 1968 (Humphey) was saddled with the Vietnam War as a "Democrat War" (kinda like Republicans and Bush in 2008 and 2012 with the Iraq War)

Nixon won as an anti-war candidate and history was changed (can you say "war on drugs"?)

Anyway, you are TOTALLY missing my point: Idiots on television news calling Obama the "Educator In Chief" on race relations is a joke in my opinion. LBJ (white, redneck, cowboy, from Texas) did more for blacks than Obama has ever, ever done.
That was my point.

And my point was that LBJ's Civil Rights Act was in 1964. There were less than 300 KIA's in 64. There was no focus on Nam in 64 . . . unfortunately.

CDSmith · 07-22-2013, 09:11 AM

Is anyone here familiar with the term ad nauseum?

tony286 · 07-22-2013, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

Because he was lying about that. The truth is he got out of his vehicle because the neighborhood watch is SUPPOSED to be on foot and he followed TM on foot so as to not lose sight of him.

But being a dumbass, he made up that stupid story.

Who knows why people say shit? Just like you exaggerated his age in your earlier posts and also denied saying he would have been a "hero" if he had just lay there and beat his ass...until I quoted you saying it.

See? People tell their story to make themselves look good and to suit their way of telling things.

Not even sure why you two are debating it. It's dumb.

He was on the Neighborhood Watch. He is supposed to be on foot and help protect the community. Not sit on his fat ass in his car (which he was doing). So getting out and following on foot is what he should be doing.

What the hell use is Neighborhood Watch anyway if they don't do their job?

If somebody is on Neighborhood Watch in my community, I want them on foot like they are supposed to be and I want them to call 911 and then keep the person in their line of site at all times so they can tell the cops where he is.

GZ's mistake is that HE didn't run when TM came after him to beat his ass.

His trainer testified he was at 12 percent bodyfat, when this happened so no fat ass involved. You are supposed to call the police nothing more nothing less.

Robbie · 07-22-2013, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony286

His trainer testified he was at 12 percent bodyfat, when this happened so no fat ass involved. You are supposed to call the police nothing more nothing less.

He was still being lazy. Neighborhood Watch is supposed to be on foot patrolling the neighborhood.
He did call the police. And he didn't do anything wrong by following the guy to keep him in line of site.

The shit hit the fan when TM got pissed and went back to beat GZ's ass.
Unfortunately that's what a lot of young men full of hormones and feeling indestructible will do.

I possibly would have done the exact same thing when I was that age. I can't say for certain because I was kind of unpredictable as a teenager. Teen boys can be very dangerous and very destructive.

GZ is also a relatively young man. And I guess the testosterone was flowing and he thought he could handle it.

With 20/20 hindsight, he should have stepped back or ran and kept plenty of distance between himself and TM.
But how many of us guys would act like pussies and run away from another man?

I'm guessing not many of us.

And TM and GZ felt that way too...no way that either man was going to run like a little bitch.

The difference is that GZ as neighborhood watch was keeping a guy in sight waiting on the cops. He had no intention of "catching him".
TM, on the other hand was intent on confronting this guy who is following him and pissing him off.

And we all know what happened next.

But all talk of GZ getting out of his car is just ridiculous.

He is SUPPOSED to be on foot. Neighborhood watch isn't supposed to be a leisurely drive through the neighborhood with the air turned on and listening to tunes. lol

It's supposed to be on FOOT and the actual site of neighborhood watch guys walking the neighborhood is supposed to help as a deterrent.

He should have had another person with him as well, and they both should have been walking around the neighborhood.

The fact that is was raining may explain why he was alone and in a car. I don't know.

It's just a sad situation and I feel bad for TM's mom.

But I'm not wanting the federal govt. to start stepping in and going after people. Even if you think it's "justified" to do it for one case...it sets precedence.
A man was found "Not Guilty" and acquitted.

That should be it. Done. Even if black people don't like the verdict.

To think that the President can single a guy out and tell the DOJ to get him is something that we don't want in our country.
It is the exact opposite of the ideals of how our country is supposed to work.

The fact that this is just another example of the perversion of it by politicians is sadly becoming all too common.

EDIT: And think back to the mid 1990's. OJ is found Not Guilty. Majority of white people are outraged. Majority of blacks were happy. Remember the big black celebrations in the streets??? Didn't see any Hispanic or "White/Hispanic" street celebrations after the Zimmerman verdict did you?
Another thing you didn't see...You didn't see President Clinton go on television as "the Educator In Chief" and try to "calm" (or incite through race baiting) the white people in the country and have a "conversation" on race.
And Clinton didn't tell the DOJ to go after OJ either.

That's because Bill Clinton was a good President.
Obama is the first black President which makes him historical...and allows him to get away with damn near anything.

TheSquealer · 07-22-2013, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony286

His trainer testified he was at 12 percent bodyfat, when this happened so no fat ass involved. You are supposed to call the police nothing more nothing less.

He did not say 12% body fat. You are lying.

You have zero clue what 12% body fat even looks like. He'd have abs starting to show at 12%.

I listened to his entire testimony and he was not specific and he testified that he did not do a body fat analysis at all, nor did they track his weight loss or body composition in any way.

It's fucking retarded that you think the guy who said "he lost probably 50-80 pounds" which is a wild guess, then somehow also said "his body fat % is 12%" which is VERY specific. If you think thats even remotely possible, you can't possibly understand what body fat numbers look like.

Zimmerman started at 250 or so and lost 50-80 pounds. He has no real lean muscle mass and he's 5'7. On top of that, he'd be losing muscle as he lost fat... meaning to get to 12% body fat, he'd probably be weighing something like ~150/160 lbs. Not 200lbs.

You are making that up.

His trainer did nothing but call him a soft, fat, weak, incompetent pussy who wasn't athletic and who was extremely distraught at what happened.

Further, as for the "your supposed to...". Uhm... the court, the judge, the witnesses for the defense, the investigating detectives, the police chief, the state prosecutor AND A JURY OF MOMS did not and agree with you as you are just presenting opinion as fact.

07-20-2013, 03:27 PM	#153
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	Your cartoons are stupid on this ADG. Ron Paul isn't a Libertarian at all. And Rand Paul is about as far away as you could get. Ron Paul has SOME "Libertarian" ideas...but he's not even close to being a real Libertarian. You're a nice guy and everything. But to blindly follow the Democrats like they were the San Francisco 49'er is an ignorant thing to do. The party of George Wallace and Robert Byrd is what the Democrats were for most of our lives (you're about the same age as me). Their fairly recent "rebirth" to try and be tolerant and inclusive to social liberalism is something that was done for political reasons (like everything that every party does). I can't even get you to understand anything outside of your Democrat comfort zone. Republicans are EXACTLY the same way. No room for other ideas or concepts. And anyone who dares to NOT conform is ridiculed and shunned. That kind of elitism and arrogance is what is hurting the Democratic Party (well, that and the fact that on important issues there is no difference between you and a Republican) Have you really lost your way so much that you can't understand that a Libertarian simply wants LESS govt. interference in his/her life. That's it. Nothing complicated. Just simple personal freedoms. You want to watch porn? No problem. You want to smoke pot? Why not. Gay marriage? Sure go right ahead. But why don't you keep posting cartoons drawn by assholes who are trying to keep the two-party status quo because that's the way that the crooked politicians can keep their power. Good move ADG. Showing some real deep thinking and class on this one. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com Last edited by Robbie; 07-20-2013 at 03:30 PM..

07-20-2013, 04:48 PM	#155
PornoMonster Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,257	Rochard -- If there are only 3 streets, why was he Followed for 15 minutes or did you say 28, or whatever amount of time? Anyone have a Map of where the Store is, and distance from TM house and Path??? I did miss first day or 2 of Trial so, sorry if this was in there... __________________ $6 a Month 4 Blade Razors, 4 Cartridges, Includes shipping! Domains 4 Sale CashForVideos.com - Pussy.biz - FootPorn.com - SoloMovie.com - CollegeGirlCams.com - AmateurCamGirls.com - PR3 4 Letter Domain

07-20-2013, 05:44 PM	#160
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,145	Its also funny to see you constantly omitting the fact that he had a broken nose. You're very dishonest in your explanation. __________________ . Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens. Rochard

07-21-2013, 07:19 AM	#174
Helix Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 5,958	Another perspective. __________________ Free jscott !!! Free OneHungLo !!! Free Baddog !!!

07-21-2013, 05:29 PM	#185
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	Everything is going to be okay everybody. I was watching CNN and on one of the panels of "experts" that they always have, a guy explained that President Obama is the "Educator In Chief" and the country can NOW have a "conversation" about race. WTF??? I would THINK that black folks would be laughing their ass off at a "conversation" on race. I saw Rep. Bobby Rush who is the representative of Chicago talking about how they are going to solve the problem of black gangs killing blacks in Chicago. He's going to "solve" it by having the Black Caucus discuss ways to do it. LOL!!!! How about this Bobby Rush: Just put fucking cameras everywhere like other big cities do. Then actually send that small army (called the "police") into the fucking neighborhoods where all the crime is taking place. "Talk", "Conversation", "Discuss", "Study". Fucking dumbass politicians. They already have a police force in Chicago. Tell them to start doing their jobs in the gang controlled neighborhoods instead of hiding in the "nice" neighborhoods giving out traffic tickets to soccer moms. As for Obama: the two Presidents who oversaw the biggest change for black Americans were Abraham Lincoln...and Lyndon B. Johnson. Don't know what prompted LBJ (an old redneck white Texan) to make giant steps forward for Civil Rights...maybe it was a way to try and take the heat off of himself for basically condemning over 50,000 young men to die in the senseless Vietnam War (a lot of them young black men by the way). But now Pres. Obama...the greatest man alive on Earth...is the "Educator In Chief" and will instruct all of us on race relations. Thank God! I was so worried. But now HE has come to save the day! The "Educator In Chief" __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com Last edited by Robbie; 07-21-2013 at 05:34 PM..

07-20-2013, 06:36 PM	#169
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	Facts do not matter

07-20-2013, 07:07 PM	#172
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	You think the justice department wants that can of worms?

07-21-2013, 11:19 AM	#181
galleryseek Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 8,234	Only video you need to watch (released 1 day before the verdict) about the case.. And AsianDivas.. Ron Paul and Rand Paul are two entirely different people politically speaking. Ron Paul ran as a republican in an attempt to slowly introduce ideas of anarchism/voluntaryism to society. Proof: Is it an effective approach? It depends on what your definition of effective means. He wasn't effective in becoming president, but was that ever the true goal? He helped me transition from a republican, to a minarchist, ultimately to an anarchist/voluntaryist/anarcho-capitalist from the exposure he received being a senator. His position and campaigning has always been one of education. And yes, I agree that the libertarian political movement is largely shit. The libertarian philosophy of non-aggression however, is not.

07-21-2013, 08:48 PM	#192
winter_ So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Perth, Adelaide, Auckland, Seattle Posts: 750	zimmerman was not racist, but he was still a murderer.

07-21-2013, 09:12 PM	#194
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089

07-22-2013, 09:11 AM	#197
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Is anyone here familiar with the term ad nauseum? __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634