OBAMA, Seriously?? WTF SMH - GoFuckYourself.com

PornoMonster · 07-19-2013, 11:08 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/19/politi...html?hpt=hp_t2

Seriously?

"The audacity to again interject his opinion into this matter is disgusting. He's really bringing up "Stand your Ground" when it wasn't even part of this case!? Obama is acting like an absolute ignorant reprobate"

baddog · 07-19-2013, 11:10 AM

Obama is an idiot and you are just now figuring this out? He can expose himself now that he doesn't have a reelection possibility.

Tom_PM · 07-19-2013, 11:20 AM

He brought up many points that had nothing to do with the trial. In fact, not much of his comments were about the trial. He never said stand your ground was used in the trial either. I personally think that Obama makes mistakes when he talks about news items from the oval office because people weight his opinion too much. This is one where he's speaking about racism in America so I have no problem with it. There was utterly nothing to do with racism in this case in my opinion and I think that was shown in the trial. But it's another one of those things that brings the topic of racism to the foreground again.

As I listen to Obama there is absolutely nothing in his speech to do with any facts in this case. It's just a few minutes about racial disparity in America and I'm not sure that's very disputable. There is plenty of racial disparity. Just look at that recent Cheerios commercial. People freak out because *gasp* there's an interracial couple with a mixed child! Oh the horror.

ThunderBalls · 07-19-2013, 11:21 AM

If I was a racist I wouldnt want a light shining in my face either.

Rochard · 07-19-2013, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Obama is an idiot and you are just now figuring this out?

I wouldn't say Obama is an idiot. I will say he is "less than great". What we need is a great president.

I am vastly disappointed on how our government is handling the Snowden crap.

Helix · 07-19-2013, 11:28 AM

Obama is an idiot x2

Google Expert · 07-19-2013, 11:30 AM

This shit is unreal.

The President of the UNITED STATES is unashamedly race-baiting.

ThunderBalls · 07-19-2013, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Obama is an idiot and you are just now figuring this out? He can expose himself now that he doesn't have a reelection possibility.

It's funny watching you old angry white guys stomp your feet and hold your breath as your 1950's utopia is slipping away....away....goodbye....

2MuchMark · 07-19-2013, 11:34 AM

Lol! Get used to it. Zimmerman got off scott free for killing an un-armed black teen while a black woman was sentenced for 20 years for shooting her gun into the air to scare off her abusive husband.

The Stand Your Ground Law is fucking BULLSHIT and was pushed through Florida and other states by the GUN SALES PEOPLE of the NRA which so many gone lovers worship.

President Obama is right to get involved. The problem affects the whole country. The stand your ground law attempts to fix a problem that never even existed in the first place. All it does is make it easier for gun lovers to carry and shoot guns without worrying about the consequences.

Tom_PM · 07-19-2013, 11:38 AM

I tend to agree it's a "solution" to a problem that didn't exist. It's also a fact that even as a state senator, Obama was against these sorts of laws. He famously, or infamously, or most likely nobody remembers, was against a law in Illinois that would have outlawed opening an adult business within a certain radius of a school. Obama took shit for it but pointed out that existing zoning laws already addressed that issue. He's not stupid or idiotic, but people will always disagree with some things from some people, so no big deal.

Again this short speech is not about the trial and mixing up facts of the trial, it's just a talk about a subject that has been opened. no big deal.

Heath · 07-19-2013, 11:39 AM

Well now, seems to me like Obama relished the opportunity to finally bash America for what happen decades ago, using this tragic event.

Get ready for another weekend of people acting like idiots, mobbing innocent people on the streets, flash mobs in stores, attacking police, busting windows, ect.

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Originally Posted by Getsu

This shit is unreal.

The President of the UNITED STATES is unashamedly race-baiting.

exactly.

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Originally Posted by **********

Lol! Get used to it. Zimmerman got off scott free for killing an un-armed black teen while a black woman was sentenced for 20 years for shooting her gun into the air to scare off her abusive husband.

The Stand Your Ground Law is fucking BULLSHIT and was pushed through Florida and other states by the GUN SALES PEOPLE of the NRA which so many gone lovers worship.

President Obama is right to get involved. The problem affects the whole country. The stand your ground law attempts to fix a problem that never even existed in the first place. All it does is make it easier for gun lovers to carry and shoot guns without worrying about the consequences.

lol. Says the Canadian who clearly doesn't know shit about US laws.

pornguy · 07-19-2013, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

He brought up many points that had nothing to do with the trial. In fact, not much of his comments were about the trial. He never said stand your ground was used in the trial either. I personally think that Obama makes mistakes when he talks about news items from the oval office because people weight his opinion too much. This is one where he's speaking about racism in America so I have no problem with it. There was utterly nothing to do with racism in this case in my opinion and I think that was shown in the trial. But it's another one of those things that brings the topic of racism to the foreground again.

As I listen to Obama there is absolutely nothing in his speech to do with any facts in this case. It's just a few minutes about racial disparity in America and I'm not sure that's very disputable. There is plenty of racial disparity. Just look at that recent Cheerios commercial. People freak out because *gasp* there's an interracial couple with a mixed child! Oh the horror.

Im not so sure there was nothing about race in that trial. The state put the girl on the stand who clearly stated that Travon said to her he was being followed by a " White ass cracker " and I dont think it gets any more clear than that.

PornoMonster · 07-19-2013, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I wouldn't say Obama is an idiot. I will say he is "less than great". What we need is a great president.

I am vastly disappointed on how our government is handling the Snowden crap.

Exactly.... The Gov and President need to sit back and figure out what is important and focus time and energy on that.

PornoMonster · 07-19-2013, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

Lol! Get used to it. Zimmerman got off scott free for killing an un-armed black teen while a black woman was sentenced for 20 years for shooting her gun into the air to scare off her abusive husband.

The Stand Your Ground Law is fucking BULLSHIT and was pushed through Florida and other states by the GUN SALES PEOPLE of the NRA which so many gone lovers worship.

President Obama is right to get involved. The problem affects the whole country. The stand your ground law attempts to fix a problem that never even existed in the first place. All it does is make it easier for gun lovers to carry and shoot guns without worrying about the consequences.

Nothing you said had anything to do with this case....
I didn't read your case about the woman, but just from your words sounds like she NEEDED stand your ground.....

Tell me how Zimmerman could of "retreated" once punched and on the ground?

You are prob one of the people who believe the neighbor hood watch people should watch from the window of the houses???

Time to take the country back from Criminals!!!

baddog · 07-19-2013, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

Lol! Get used to it. Zimmerman got off scott free for killing an un-armed black teen while a black woman was sentenced for 20 years for shooting her gun into the air to scare off her abusive husband.

The Stand Your Ground Law is fucking BULLSHIT and was pushed through Florida and other states by the GUN SALES PEOPLE of the NRA which so many gone lovers worship.

President Obama is right to get involved. The problem affects the whole country. The stand your ground law attempts to fix a problem that never even existed in the first place. All it does is make it easier for gun lovers to carry and shoot guns without worrying about the consequences.

It is always good to hear from someone that does not know what they are talking about. Stick to subjects you have a clue about.

Google Expert · 07-19-2013, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

Lol! Get used to it. Zimmerman got off scott free for killing an un-armed black teen while a black woman was sentenced for 20 years for shooting her gun into the air to scare off her abusive husband.

You are a self-hating nigga loving liberal apologist fag.

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Originally Posted by **********

The Stand Your Ground Law is fucking BULLSHIT and was pushed through Florida and other states by the GUN SALES PEOPLE of the NRA which so many gone lovers worship.

Stand Your Ground wasn't ever in the case, you stupid dumbass. Zimmerman was found not guilty of murder claiming a self defense.

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Originally Posted by **********

President Obama is right to get involved. The problem affects the whole country.

Considering the racial tensions that are already flaring up after the verdict, this is one of the most irresponsible things he could have done.

In other words, STFU because you have no clue WTF you are talking about.

Grapesoda · 07-19-2013, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Getsu

This shit is unreal.

The President of the UNITED STATES is unashamedly race-baiting.

he's always been that way, remember that's what he did for a living before becoming the prez

Robbie · 07-19-2013, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

Lol! Get used to it. Zimmerman got off scott free for killing an un-armed black teen while a black woman was sentenced for 20 years for shooting her gun into the air to scare off her abusive husband.

And every day the POLICE here in the U.S. kill an unarmed person as well and get away with it.

And every hour of every day young black thugs kill un-armed black teens and get away with it.

The woman firing the gun in the air didn't have a good attorney. I've been watching guys like Mark Geragos describe how most people get railroaded into jail every day because the Judges, Prosecutors, and Cops all hold hands and they have unlimited resources (free taxpayer money) as well as hiding evidence etc. (like they tried to do in the Zimmerman case)

He said that they run right over public defenders who aren't in the same league as Zimmerman's attorneys were.

Same thing with OJ. He would have went to jail if not for the "Dream Team" lawyers he put together back in the mid 1990's.
He didn't have the same caliber of attorneys here in Vegas a few years back, and so he sits in jail.

Anyway...it's obvious that nobody really gives a shit about the black teens being shot down TODAY by the dozens by other black teens. Or all the unarmed people who will be shot to death by the cops this week.

Who cares?
All the world wants is to see George Zimmerman DIE. Now.
So let's just shoot that dumb fuck and get him off the news and off of GFY already.

BFT3K · 07-19-2013, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

Lol! Get used to it. Zimmerman got off scott free for killing an un-armed black teen while a black woman was sentenced for 20 years for shooting her gun into the air to scare off her abusive husband.

The Stand Your Ground Law is fucking BULLSHIT and was pushed through Florida and other states by the GUN SALES PEOPLE of the NRA which so many gone lovers worship.

President Obama is right to get involved. The problem affects the whole country. The stand your ground law attempts to fix a problem that never even existed in the first place. All it does is make it easier for gun lovers to carry and shoot guns without worrying about the consequences.

RandyRandy · 07-19-2013, 12:28 PM

Zimmerman's mistake was interrupting Saint Skittles on his way home to make some "fire-ass lean". You know, Purple Drank, Sizzurp. Saint Skittle's mistake was sucker-punching Zimmerman, and executing an MMA-styled ground and pound, unaware that Zimmerman would defend himself in spades. One mistake had larger repercussions than then other.

Rob · 07-19-2013, 12:28 PM

Obama says, "Trayvon could have been me" - Oh God, wishful thinking!!!

marlboroack · 07-19-2013, 12:34 PM

Is it me or does Obama look like he's on something

Yanks_Todd · 07-19-2013, 12:48 PM

I don't see a problem with this. Race is an issue in the country he is a leader of.

It is not his job to lead us on Social issues the country faces just as it is in military and economic ones?

Its a pretty simple and effective analogy. This kid that was killed doing nothing wrong (sorry I think attacking someone stalking you at night is self defense) could very well have been Obama who as the current president of the U.S. is the most powerful human to have existed.

Do you really think there isn't a huge part of this country that looks at a kid like Trayvon and discounts who he can become?

He has been in office for 5 years and he addresses race quite rarely. If I was the first black president I would remind every white reporter I encountered what he score is.

Yanks_Todd · 07-19-2013, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyRandy

Zimmerman's mistake was interrupting Saint Skittles on his way home to make some "fire-ass lean". You know, Purple Drank, Sizzurp. Saint Skittle's mistake was sucker-punching Zimmerman, and executing an MMA-styled ground and pound, unaware that Zimmerman would defend himself in spades. One mistake had larger repercussions than then other.

How do you sucker punch someone stalking you? Seriously how does that work.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 07-19-2013, 01:00 PM

I read the comments in this thread before actually listening to what Obama said:

The irrational seething anger directed towards Obama is kind of comical to watch. Racists foam at the mouth when the issue of race is discussed, and of course the right wing is playing this up for all that it's worth, injecting racist attitudes and propaganda into the discussion, desperately trying to shore up their diminishing white base by dividing people.

ADG

RandyRandy · 07-19-2013, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

How do you sucker punch someone stalking you? Seriously how does that work.

As a Crime Watch Captain, Zimmerman's attempt to ask Martin what he was doing there (perfectly legal) was answered by a sucker-punch to the nose (misdemeanor assault at the very least). Seriously, that's how it works.

Robbie · 07-19-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

The irrational seething anger directed towards Obama is kind of comical to watch.
ADG

ADG... A lot of the political heat for this is simple:

Obama never gave a press conference over the gun running to Mexico that was done by his ATF and never gave a press conference to talk about our govt. agent who was murdered by those guns

He never gave a single press conference about our diplomats being killed in Benghazi

He hasn't given a press conference about the IRS targeting people.

He hasn't given a press conference about the NSA spying on people.

He doesn't give a press conference on the multitude of young blacks being shot dead in Chicago where his crony and former Chief Of Staff Rahm Emanuel is mayor.

Yet he felt compelled to interject himself in a criminal case from Sanford Fla.

Yes, there is a "race problem" in the U.S.

But it isn't that white (or "white/hispanic") people are hunting down black teenagers like animals...THE problem is black people killing black people.

Wonder why he didn't call a press conference for that? Or why it happens everyday and doesn't make the news.

No, we don't know the names of any of the scores of young black men who have been shot dead every day by other black men. But we all know Trayvon's name.

THAT is racism. And it doesn't address any "problem".

The problem is black on black crime. But it's too "sensitive" to be able to be discussed because if you point out the facts...you are a "racist".

Isn't that damn convenient?

PornoMonster · 07-19-2013, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I read the comments in this thread before actually listening to what Obama said:

The irrational seething anger directed towards Obama is kind of comical to watch. Racists foam at the mouth when the issue of race is discussed, and of course the right wing is playing this up for all that it's worth, injecting racist attitudes and propaganda into the discussion, desperately trying to shore up their diminishing white base by dividing people.

ADG

Kept going back to History, that blacks commit crimes because of history..
SAD
Making excuses.

PornoMonster · 07-19-2013, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

ADG... A lot of the political heat for this is simple:

Obama never gave a press conference over the gun running to Mexico that was done by his ATF and never gave a press conference to talk about our govt. agent who was murdered by those guns

He never gave a single press conference about our diplomats being killed in Benghazi

He hasn't given a press conference about the IRS targeting people.

He hasn't given a press conference about the NSA spying on people.

He doesn't give a press conference on the multitude of young blacks being shot dead in Chicago where his crony and former Chief Of Staff Rahm Emanuel is mayor.

Yet he felt compelled to interject himself in a criminal case from Sanford Fla.

Yes, there is a "race problem" in the U.S.

But it isn't that white (or "white/hispanic") people are hunting down black teenagers like animals...THE problem is black people killing black people.

Wonder why he didn't call a press conference for that? Or why it happens everyday and doesn't make the news.

No, we don't know the names of any of the scores of young black men who have been shot dead every day by other black men. But we all know Trayvon's name.

THAT is racism. And it doesn't address any "problem".

The problem is black on black crime. But it's too "sensitive" to be able to be discussed because if you point out the facts...you are a "racist".

Isn't that damn convenient?

Hey remember this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_...st_controversy

Yanks_Todd · 07-19-2013, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyRandy

As a Crime Watch Captain, Zimmerman's attempt to ask Martin what he was doing there (perfectly legal) was answered by a sucker-punch to the nose (misdemeanor assault at the very least). Seriously, that's how it works.

That's not a sucker punch bro. If you are a grown man stalking another (almost) grown man on a rainy dark night and then decide to approach them, you decide to approach you should be ready for them to strike out.

Especially, if you assume the person you are stalking is a criminal.

And the Crime Watch Captain BS ended when the cops gave him direct orders not to follow him anymore.

seeandsee · 07-19-2013, 01:41 PM

Obama is done! oh wait still 3 more years

madm1k3 · 07-19-2013, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

ADG... A lot of the political heat for this is simple:

Obama never gave a press conference over the gun running to Mexico that was done by his ATF and never gave a press conference to talk about our govt. agent who was murdered by those guns

He never gave a single press conference about our diplomats being killed in Benghazi

He hasn't given a press conference about the IRS targeting people.

He hasn't given a press conference about the NSA spying on people.

He doesn't give a press conference on the multitude of young blacks being shot dead in Chicago where his crony and former Chief Of Staff Rahm Emanuel is mayor.

I am no Obama fan but this is totally wrong

Fast & Furious
https://youtube.com/watch?v=vLwZxYDytUY

Benghazi
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MHeNt98znPQ
https://youtube.com/watch?v=SiZYV-r_Kpk

IRS
https://youtube.com/watch?v=26OdJiutzFA
https://youtube.com/watch?v=YDRtN9rHhOc

NSA
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Nhf-noHT6Gk
https://youtube.com/watch?v=qG0D3A8FkPo

Now all of these are all bullshit but so was his Trayvon Martin press conference

Robbie · 07-19-2013, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

If you are a grown man stalking another (almost) grown man

stalking:
present participle of stalk (Verb)
Verb
Pursue or approach stealthily: "a cat stalking a bird".
Harass or persecute (someone) with unwanted and obsessive attention: "the fan stalked the actor".

Uhh...being on the neighborhood watch (and calling the police to make a report) on a rainy night when nobody else is out on the street except ONE guy who is out in the rain and is walking up in people's yards...doesn't fit the definition of "stalking"

Robbie · 07-19-2013, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by madm1k3

I am no Obama fan but this is totally wrong

Fast & Furious
https://youtube.com/watch?v=vLwZxYDytUY

Benghazi
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MHeNt98znPQ
https://youtube.com/watch?v=SiZYV-r_Kpk

IRS
https://youtube.com/watch?v=26OdJiutzFA
https://youtube.com/watch?v=YDRtN9rHhOc

NSA
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Nhf-noHT6Gk
https://youtube.com/watch?v=qG0D3A8FkPo

Now all of these are all bullshit but so was his Trayvon Martin press conference

I guess I didn't make my point clearly.

Obama called an impromptu press conference specifically about the Zimmerman verdict today.

The things you are linking to are from him reluctantly answering questions from the press.

He never felt that any of those important issues warranted such a thing.
But for some reason he felt that this case did. You know...because Latinos shooting unarmed teen blacks is a huge problem in our country.

madm1k3 · 07-19-2013, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I guess I didn't make my point clearly.

Obama called an impromptu press conference specifically about the Zimmerman verdict today.

The things you are linking to are from him reluctantly answering questions from the press.

He never felt that any of those important issues warranted such a thing.
But for some reason he felt that this case did. You know...because Latinos shooting unarmed teen blacks is a huge problem in our country.

He only ever answers when he's forced to. This situation was no different. He released a statement saying "respect the verdict" and try to duck away. How do you think this played with all of his supporters and donors.... not very fucking well I bet.

My point is that you can't call of of his press conferences bullshit then single one out as the absolute truth. He's a politician, and whether you like him or not you should respect his political abilities. If it was politically advantageous for him he would say "Trayvon Martin was a thug and deserved what he got" but that's the right wing stance so he needs to be the polar opposite.

Florida will be critical again in the next election so he's planting a flag on what will probably be a big issue for democrats.....

Oh no wait he's race baiting the entire country in order to spark social conflict in a massive covert operation to take guns away and give them to the muslim brotherhood, that makes more sense

madm1k3 · 07-19-2013, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by madm1k3

Oh no wait he's race baiting the entire country in order to spark social conflict in a massive covert operation to take guns away and give them to the muslim brotherhood, that makes more sense

BTW I know you don't beleive this Robbie, just trying to make a point

PornoMonster · 07-19-2013, 02:15 PM

Racism isn't a natural thing that just "happens". You don’t inherit it. It’s a behavior that is taught. Black kids, white kids, brown kids, purple, yellow and green kids all get along until they’re taught not to, whether directly or indirectly by the adults in their life. So what do we do? Lead by example. Regardless of what color you are, it’s not okay to show your kids hatred or intolerance of other people.

Yanks_Todd · 07-19-2013, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

stalking:
present participle of stalk (Verb)
Verb
Pursue or approach stealthily: "a cat stalking a bird".
Harass or persecute (someone) with unwanted and obsessive attention: "the fan stalked the actor".

Uhh...being on the neighborhood watch (and calling the police to make a report) on a rainy night when nobody else is out on the street except ONE guy who is out in the rain and is walking up in people's yards...doesn't fit the definition of "stalking"

The neighborhood watch aspect is valid if the boy was doing something wrong. He wasn't. When he called the police he was told to stop following by the authorities.

The ONE guy walking out in the rain had that right. Does he not? Do you believe walking in peoples yards should be a crime punishable by death?

So you have a citizen following another citizen period. Zimmerman was not an official anything that matters legally. If you wanna debate whether or not Trayvon was acting in self-defense or not fine, howeever I can damn well tell you I probably would have swung first as well.

When Zimmerman started losing the fight, he killed him. Could he have ran at that point? No, Oh well, he bit off more then he could chew.

Fetish Gimp · 07-19-2013, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

Zimmerman got off scott free for killing an un-armed black teen while a black woman was sentenced for 20 years for shooting her gun into the air to scare off her abusive husband.

Actually Zimmerman got off because he shot Martin in self-defence. Martin was assaulting Zimmerman, which is a crime. Zimmerman followed Martin which it might be creepy and un-PC, but it is NOT a crime.

And no, Martin didn't have the right to beat up Zimmerman in self-defence or use the "Stand Your Ground" law because an IMAGINARY threat is different from a REAL threat. Imagine that.

If Zimmerman would have been found guilty anyone could shoot anyone else that spooked them because they "imagined" a threat. You see the difference? Fists hitting your face: real threat. Someone following you: spooky but not active threat.

As for the Florida woman's case, you really should google some facts about it. Just like the Zimmerman case, the media is sensationalizing the case and taking facts out of context.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07...0-20-life-laws

Cliff's notes:
Marissa Alexander committed aggravated assault (a felony) when she pointed and fired her gun AT her husband.

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?A warning shot is when you shoot into the air, you shoot down on the ground, you don?t shoot straight at somebody 6 feet off the ground,? said Kuritz, in an interview with HLN?s Vinnie Politan on ?HLN After Dark.? ?[The shot] was at eye level with my client, right above his 12-year-old. When you have a 12-year-old child who testified to a jury that ?I thought I was fixin? to die,? I?m sorry that is not a misdemeanor?When you shoot a gun that puts a 12-year-old child in fear for his life, that changes things and I think it was prosecuted appropriately.?

Her OWN KID testified that she shot AT her husband. And she got the 20 years because of Florida's 10-20-life law which specifies minimum sentences when a gun is fired WHILE COMMITTING A FELONY, which is what aggravated assault is.

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Florida?s ?10-20-Life? law requires courts to impose a minimum of 10 years, 20 years or 25 years to life in prison for certain felony convictions involving the use or attempted use of a firearm or other deadly weapon. So in the case of aggravated assault with a firearm, the court must impose the mandatory minimum sentence that is already set out by law ? 20 years.

According to Florida law, aggravated assault is an assault with a deadly weapon without intent to kill; or, with intent to commit a felony.

And as you read the story, the picture of Marissa Alexander as some kind of martyred wife crumbles.

PornoMonster · 07-19-2013, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

The neighborhood watch aspect is valid if the boy was doing something wrong. He wasn't. When he called the police he was told to stop following by the authorities.

The ONE guy walking out in the rain had that right. Does he not? Do you believe walking in peoples yards should be a crime punishable by death?

So you have a citizen following another citizen period. Zimmerman was not an official anything that matters legally. If you wanna debate whether or not Trayvon was acting in self-defense or not fine, howeever I can damn well tell you I probably would have swung first as well.

When Zimmerman started losing the fight, he killed him. Could he have ran at that point? No, Oh well, he bit off more then he could chew.

So, you start fights with everyone following you???

What if Zimmerman also bought skittles and was Also walking home and lived next door to TV... The Whit ass Cracker is Following me... I am going to circle around and sucker punch him....

Robbie · 07-19-2013, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by madm1k3

BTW I know you don't beleive this Robbie, just trying to make a point

I agree it's completely political.

Which is what is entirely WRONG with it.

Politics shouldn't be allowed in our justice system. I know it happens all the time in county's and cities...but it's not supposed to.

And to have the Pres. and also the head of the DOJ both interjecting into a case like this after a jury has given it's verdict is insane.

I certainly don't remember Bill Clinton calling a press conference to discuss the verdict on the OJ trial...or for that matter any President doing such a thing.

We either have a justice system or we don't.

The way it looks now...the Pres. didn't like the verdict (funny how he didn't feel this need when Casey Anthony was found Not Guilty of killing her baby daughter a couple of years back). So now he has the Justice Dept. continuing it's "investigation".

I guess we just keep going after a person until we DO get a verdict that the Pres. approves of.

And I do admit he's a political mastermind.

He's doing this and all the sheeple are focused on it. There is NO news anymore except Zimmerman related news.

Awfully convenient to have the news of the day be all about one relatively unimportant case and nobody talking about the NSA or the ATF or the IRS or drones...damn we (the American people) are so easy to manipulate.

RandyRandy · 07-19-2013, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

The neighborhood watch aspect is valid if the boy was doing something wrong. He wasn't. When he called the police he was told to stop following by the authorities.

The ONE guy walking out in the rain had that right. Does he not? Do you believe walking in peoples yards should be a crime punishable by death?

So you have a citizen following another citizen period. Zimmerman was not an official anything that matters legally. If you wanna debate whether or not Trayvon was acting in self-defense or not fine, howeever I can damn well tell you I probably would have swung first as well.

When Zimmerman started losing the fight, he killed him. Could he have ran at that point? No, Oh well, he bit off more then he could chew.

Here's the thing: the "cops" never gave Zimmerman a direct order. A civilian police dispatcher told him "we don't need you to do that" when Zimmerman said he was going to follow him. Guess what? If Zimmerman said I see a house burning, there may be people inside, I'm going in to check, the dispatcher would say the same thing: "we don't need you to do that". And the reason is liability. If the dispatcher says, "yes, by all means, investigate" and something goes wrong, let the lawsuits begin.

Of course Martin had the right to walk in the rain. Nothing illegal about that. And Zimmerman had the right to question a person walking in the rain, who didn't live there. Nothing illegal about that, either. You can go up to anyone, anywhere and ask them a question. I get homeless people coming up to me asking for a handout. It's not illegal, though I'd rather it not happen. And sometimes they follow me down the block. My response, however, has never been to punch one in the face and break their nose. Because that would be illegal.

Yanks_Todd · 07-19-2013, 02:50 PM

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So, you start fights with everyone following you???

What if Zimmerman also bought skittles and was Also walking home and lived next door to TV... The Whit ass Cracker is Following me... I am going to circle around and sucker punch him....

In regards to your first question. I can't ever remember being followed by anyone so I can't answer it. In that situation would I may have acted proactively and swung first there are facts from one side of the story that can't be heard.

The second point your trying to make I don't even think understand. I assum your question is would T. Martin have attacked anybody that he saw that night? I don't know that answer and we can't ask him. However he didn't attack the clerk in the store. He did notice someone stalking him at which point I am sure he was on pretty high alert.

The last part is a quite a silly distraction though from what actually happened.

Robbie · 07-19-2013, 02:50 PM

I wonder what people here on GFY would do under the same circumstances.

You've already made the "mistake" of having the audacity to get out of your own car and follow a guy on a public street that you are part of the neighborhood watch.

Now...you start getting the shit beat out of you and you have a gun.

I wonder how many of you would actually just lie there and let Trayvon Martin beat your ass until his arms got tired?

I'm pretty sure that if somebody starts beating the fuck out of me and I have a gun...I'm putting a hole in them. That's what the gun is for. It's the "great equalizer".

I can't help but think some of y'all are being disingenuous when you suggest that GZ should have just allowed TM to beat the fuck out of him. Only a fool would do that.

Better question: What it all the circumstances were exactly the same...except George was a WOMAN.

If it had been Geogette Zimmerman...nobody would be calling Trayvon a "child". He would be known as a "man" and there would be no question that "Georgette" was defending herself when she shot him dead.

Rochard · 07-19-2013, 02:51 PM

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Exactly.... The Gov and President need to sit back and figure out what is important and focus time and energy on that.

Nah. They should declare him an enemy combatant and have him killed. Then focus the rest of the attention on the economy.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 07-19-2013, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

ADG... A lot of the political heat for this is simple:

Obama never gave a press conference over the gun running to Mexico that was done by his ATF and never gave a press conference to talk about our govt. agent who was murdered by those guns

He never gave a single press conference about our diplomats being killed in Benghazi

He hasn't given a press conference about the IRS targeting people.

He hasn't given a press conference about the NSA spying on people.

He doesn't give a press conference on the multitude of young blacks being shot dead in Chicago where his crony and former Chief Of Staff Rahm Emanuel is mayor.

Yet he felt compelled to interject himself in a criminal case from Sanford Fla.

Yes, there is a "race problem" in the U.S.

But it isn't that white (or "white/hispanic") people are hunting down black teenagers like animals...THE problem is black people killing black people.

Wonder why he didn't call a press conference for that? Or why it happens everyday and doesn't make the news.

No, we don't know the names of any of the scores of young black men who have been shot dead every day by other black men. But we all know Trayvon's name.

THAT is racism. And it doesn't address any "problem".

The problem is black on black crime. But it's too "sensitive" to be able to be discussed because if you point out the facts...you are a "racist".

Isn't that damn convenient?

The "Black on Black Crime" red herring has been getting lots of play by the right-wing, so I will address that.

First though, Obama addressed all of the issues which you alluded to (video proof below).

Obama on Fast and Furious:

Obama on Benghazi:

Obama on IRS:

Obama on NSA:

Obama on Chicago gun violence:

To your main point about "Black on Black violence" being the "real" problem:

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Trayvon Martin and the Red Herring of "Black on Black" Crime

Although I am convinced today that the death of Trayvon Martin was not because of his race, and that the jury reached a correct verdict in declaring George Zimmerman "not guilty," I also feel the people raising the issue of "black on black" crime (and saying it is ignored in a way that white on black crime isn't) are being disingenuous.

The protests must be seen through the lens of the racism and violence that young black men face as they grow up in America. To not recognize centuries of black deprivation and the challenge of growing up black in the U.S. as the backdrop to these scenes is at best to be naive and at worst to be hypocritically negligent.

On its face, the argument that most blacks are killed by fellow blacks appears perfectly valid. However, peel off the skin and there is no question: Beneath the surface you will discover that the people raising the issue are not saying this out of concern for the black population, but rather in an effort to paint the black community as a group that has no problem with crime, unless the alleged criminal is white or non-black.

The fact is, "black on black" crime is no more common than "white on white" crime and "Chinese on Chinese" crime or "Latino on Latino" crime. The statistics are there if you care -- most murders are intraracial.

Did you know 86 per cent of white victims were killed by white offenders?

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Black-on-black? red herring sustains false narrative

Don?t white people kill each other, too?

And yet we keep hearing about black-on-black crime because it fits the false media narrative.

When it comes to America?s racial past and present, lies and snake oil are sold in many colors.

In the wake of the Trayvon Martin tragedy, conservatives in media have sought to deflect from the racism and racial profiling that precipitated his untimely death by referencing the broader social malaise of supposed ?black-on-black violence.?

On ?This Week on ABC,? Washington Post columnist George Will said that despite the Trayvon tragedy, ?150 black men are killed every week in this country,? and ?about 94 percent of them by other black men.?

Will parroted arguments made by many conservatives, his intended point being that black-on-black crime remains the real problem our nation should address. The half-truth he spoke went curiously unchallenged by the panel largely because the meta-narrative of black-on-black violence is widely accepted in journalistic and political circles.

Bill O?Reilly, the Fox News host and one-man propaganda machine, recently interviewed Columbia University professor Marc Lamont Hill to discuss similar claims from Wall Street Journal contributor Shelby Steele, who wrote in ?The Exploitation of Trayvon Martin? that ?black teenagers are afraid of other black teenagers, not whites.? O?Reilly vehemently defended Steele?s premise that the Trayvon Martin case is an anomaly.

?Blacks today are nine times more likely to be killed by other blacks than by whites,? Steele wrote. He went on to attack Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson for ?exploiting? Trayvon?s death in an effort to promote a ?liberal? agenda ? a point that O?Reilly was all too happy to expound.

Steele?s perspective, though myopic and misguided, remains pervasive and embedded in the broader social consciousness. This red-herring approach is not new, but in the face of Trayvon?s death, these obstructive tactics require an equal and opposite response.

What Will, Steele and O?Reilly failed to mention is the exacting truth that white Americans are just as likely to be killed by other whites. According to Justice Department statistics, 84 percent of white people killed every year are killed by other whites.

In fact, all races share similar ratios. Yet there?s no outrage or racialized debate about ?white on white? violence. Instead, the myth and associated fear of ?black on black? crime is sold as a legitimate, mainstream descriptive and becomes American status quo.

The truth? As the largest racial group, whites commit the majority of crimes in America. In particular, whites are responsible for the vast majority of violent crimes. With respect to aggravated assault, whites led blacks 2-1 in arrests; in forcible-rape cases, whites led all racial and ethnic groups by more than 2-1. And in larceny theft, whites led blacks, again, 2-1.

Given this mathematical truth, would anyone encourage blacks to begin shooting suspicious white males in their neighborhoods for fear that they?ll be raped, assaulted or murdered? Perhaps George Zimmerman?s defenders should answer that question. If blacks were to act as irrationally as Zimmerman did, would any rationale suffice to avoid arrest for so long?

The term ?black-on-black? crime is a destructive, racialized colloquialism that perpetuates an idea that blacks are somehow more prone to violence. This is untrue and fully verifiable by FBI, Department of Justice and census data. Yet the fallacy is so fixed that even blacks have come to believe it.

Trayvon Martin?s tragic death reveals the worst ills at play within America?s criminal-justice system. Not only was he murdered in large part because of dangerous, persistent stereotypes, but the failure of police to judiciously respond to the crime underscores the inequities that characterize institutionalized racism.

Those who respond to the tragedy by retreating to narratives of black-on-black crime seek to promote it as a defense against an innocent child?s violent homicide. This reveals how entrenched the lies have become and how eager too many people are to absolve both Zimmerman?s guilt and their own tacit consent.

Black media and policymakers have been equally complicit in promoting a ?black-on-black crime? anecdote, thinking that it could help address some of the community?s problems; but what it has actually done is provide support for racial profiling and promote the disproportionate policing of black criminality as ?legitimate? and ?acceptable.? This overpolicing has led to disproportionately higher rates of arrests in black communities, reinforcing the idea that blacks commit more crimes.

If we were to talk about ?white-on-white crime,? then at least we?d be addressing issues such as gun violence in a racially neutral way. That doesn?t happen because too many Americans remain convinced that black or brown people are the problem. Respected journalists such as George Will further perpetuate lies as fact when they make blanket statements that support an ill-conceived narrative.

It seems that the media in general and white American society in particular prefer to focus on crime perpetrated by blacks because it serves as a way to absolve them from the violence, prejudice and institutionalized discrimination engendered for generations against blacks. It offers a buffer against responsibility, a way to shift blame and deflect cause and effect. But the truth, and numbers, tell a different story.

The myth of black-on-black violence has become a stain on the sociopolitical consciousness and indelibly imbues mindsets as well as public policy. At the heart of an increasingly violent society is not a subculture among blacks but the violence and criminality of many Americans, and whites in particular. No one seems to speak about this. Why? Because the snake oil was duly purchased and consumed. It is time for race-based pseudo-facts to be challenged and dismantled.

Anyway, since you have given so much thought to the issue, and if you are genuinely concerned about Black on Black violence, then what are your proposals to help curb Black on Black violence?

ADG

Yanks_Todd · 07-19-2013, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyRandy

Here's the thing: the "cops" never gave Zimmerman a direct order. A civilian police dispatcher told him "we don't need you to do that" when Zimmerman said he was going to follow him. Guess what? If Zimmerman said I see a house burning, there may be people inside, I'm going in to check, the dispatcher would say the same thing: "we don't need you to do that". And the reason is liability. If the dispatcher says, "yes, by all means, investigate" and something goes wrong, let the lawsuits begin.

Of course Martin had the right to walk in the rain. Nothing illegal about that. And Zimmerman had the right to question a person walking in the rain, who didn't live there. Nothing illegal about that, either. You can go up to anyone, anywhere and ask them a question. I get homeless people coming up to me asking for a handout. It's not illegal, though I'd rather it not happen. And sometimes they follow me down the block. My response, however, has never been to punch one in the face and break their nose. Because that would be illegal.

So your argument in the first point is that what the dispatcher said is not what she actually meant? Ah, I see, a code. Well you got me there. I can't win that one dude. I guess my mistake is interpreting the words as per their definitions.

Glad you agree that T.Martin had that right. I agree that GZ did as well. And yes you can go up to someone and ask them what they are doing here. However if you were in a place you were allowed to be how would you respond? You may not hit them, fine, but don't tell me you wouldn't be put off by it and cop an attitude.

So now you have a keyed up dude with a gun. He wanted to be cop. (fact) and he was following someone who wasn't' doing anything wrong and was told to disengage by the authorities. The fact that he didn't disengage means that GZ thinks of him self pretty highly.

Trayvon does seem like a bit of a thug, however 17 year old boys tend to be a bit over aggressive and troublesome.

Now you have keyed up GZ thinking he is approaching a criminal and a pumped up Trayvon who has no idea who this dude is.

The problem is nobody knows how the rest really went down. Do you really think it was as neat as the guy who lived and was on trial said? I don't but what he said isn't acceptable. So the slight slide of his version to the truth means to me that GZ had NO RIGHT to do what he did.

Your homeless comment is a terrible analogy. The desire and state of the homeless person is pretty obvious.

winter_ · 07-19-2013, 03:06 PM

bill zimmerman and trayvon martin just seems too much of a perfect storm to be real.

you speak out against obama and you get shot down by most as if it was a loud-mouth reaction from a christian for being blasmapheous against jesus christ. president obama is not jesus christ, far from it.

heh, then i think back to all the, yes, opposing liberal lefty outage at bush for doing all the wrong things. you can never win, you just can never win, because you are wrong and that is it, you are wrong. that is what marxism and leninsm is in china, basically. except perhap the falun-gong, who number almost one million strong, who are in fact opposed to the communist china rule and desire a more liberal china.

back on topic, obama smama labamba and bill will zimmerman wimmerman killerman.

Robbie · 07-19-2013, 03:07 PM

ADG you made a long post for nothing.

I already addressed that earlier.

None of those videos you are posting are Obama calling an impromptu press conference to specifically address an issue.

They are all him reluctantly answering questions from the press.

The Zimmerman press conference today was a "surprise" press conference that he called just to talk about the Zimmerman verdict.

Apparently the nationwide epidemic of Latino neighborhood watch guys killing unarmed black teens is so important that it reaches greater levels than gun running in Mexico, IRS targeting individuals, the NSA spying on us, drones killing people worldwide and now being used to spy on us at home.

Those things were not important enough for the Pres. to call a press conference for.

Dude...you are defending the undefensible.

I understand you are a "liberal". So am I. But I'm not a "Democrat" and I don't believe in the govt. being able to infringe on our freedoms and liberty.

No way that Obama is acting responsibly. He only acts out of political interest.

In the grand scheme of things...he cares about Trayvon Martin about as much as people on GFY do: Not at all.

This is just a way to help the Democrat party with their black political base and at the same time get the media off his ass over the IRS and NSA.

RandyRandy · 07-19-2013, 03:11 PM

Absolutely correct ADG, the vast majority of murders are committed intraracially. But that says to me the red herring is the interpretation that it's open season for "crazy ass crakers" to kill Blacks. The truth is Blacks will continue to kill Blacks and Whites will continue to kill Whites, almost exclusively. (93%/82% respectively). But that doesn't make for great headlines.

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Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	He brought up many points that had nothing to do with the trial. In fact, not much of his comments were about the trial. He never said stand your ground was used in the trial either. I personally think that Obama makes mistakes when he talks about news items from the oval office because people weight his opinion too much. This is one where he's speaking about racism in America so I have no problem with it. There was utterly nothing to do with racism in this case in my opinion and I think that was shown in the trial. But it's another one of those things that brings the topic of racism to the foreground again. As I listen to Obama there is absolutely nothing in his speech to do with any facts in this case. It's just a few minutes about racial disparity in America and I'm not sure that's very disputable. There is plenty of racial disparity. Just look at that recent Cheerios commercial. People freak out because gasp there's an interracial couple with a mixed child! Oh the horror. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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2MuchMark Videochat Solutions Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 48,990	Lol! Get used to it. Zimmerman got off scott free for killing an un-armed black teen while a black woman was sentenced for 20 years for shooting her gun into the air to scare off her abusive husband. The Stand Your Ground Law is fucking BULLSHIT and was pushed through Florida and other states by the GUN SALES PEOPLE of the NRA which so many gone lovers worship. President Obama is right to get involved. The problem affects the whole country. The stand your ground law attempts to fix a problem that never even existed in the first place. All it does is make it easier for gun lovers to carry and shoot guns without worrying about the consequences. __________________ Custom Coding \| Videochat Solutions \| Age Verification \| IT Help & Support www.2Much.net

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Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	I tend to agree it's a "solution" to a problem that didn't exist. It's also a fact that even as a state senator, Obama was against these sorts of laws. He famously, or infamously, or most likely nobody remembers, was against a law in Illinois that would have outlawed opening an adult business within a certain radius of a school. Obama took shit for it but pointed out that existing zoning laws already addressed that issue. He's not stupid or idiotic, but people will always disagree with some things from some people, so no big deal. Again this short speech is not about the trial and mixing up facts of the trial, it's just a talk about a subject that has been opened. no big deal. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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ThunderBalls So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mesosphere Posts: 2,926	If I was a racist I wouldnt want a light shining in my face either.

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07-19-2013, 12:28 PM	#20
RandyRandy Clips still sell! Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Crown Heights, Brooklyn Posts: 1,708	Zimmerman's mistake was interrupting Saint Skittles on his way home to make some "fire-ass lean". You know, Purple Drank, Sizzurp. Saint Skittle's mistake was sucker-punching Zimmerman, and executing an MMA-styled ground and pound, unaware that Zimmerman would defend himself in spades. One mistake had larger repercussions than then other.

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Yanks_Todd Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Valencia Posts: 2,490	I don't see a problem with this. Race is an issue in the country he is a leader of. It is not his job to lead us on Social issues the country faces just as it is in military and economic ones? Its a pretty simple and effective analogy. This kid that was killed doing nothing wrong (sorry I think attacking someone stalking you at night is self defense) could very well have been Obama who as the current president of the U.S. is the most powerful human to have existed. Do you really think there isn't a huge part of this country that looks at a kid like Trayvon and discounts who he can become? He has been in office for 5 years and he addresses race quite rarely. If I was the first black president I would remind every white reporter I encountered what he score is. __________________ Todd Spaits - Co-founder -YanksCash Premium ad-packages available - Skype for details - tmspaits

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Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	I wonder what people here on GFY would do under the same circumstances. You've already made the "mistake" of having the audacity to get out of your own car and follow a guy on a public street that you are part of the neighborhood watch. Now...you start getting the shit beat out of you and you have a gun. I wonder how many of you would actually just lie there and let Trayvon Martin beat your ass until his arms got tired? I'm pretty sure that if somebody starts beating the fuck out of me and I have a gun...I'm putting a hole in them. That's what the gun is for. It's the "great equalizer". I can't help but think some of y'all are being disingenuous when you suggest that GZ should have just allowed TM to beat the fuck out of him. Only a fool would do that. Better question: What it all the circumstances were exactly the same...except George was a WOMAN. If it had been Geogette Zimmerman...nobody would be calling Trayvon a "child". He would be known as a "man" and there would be no question that "Georgette" was defending herself when she shot him dead. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

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winter_ So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Perth, Adelaide, Auckland, Seattle Posts: 750	bill zimmerman and trayvon martin just seems too much of a perfect storm to be real. you speak out against obama and you get shot down by most as if it was a loud-mouth reaction from a christian for being blasmapheous against jesus christ. president obama is not jesus christ, far from it. heh, then i think back to all the, yes, opposing liberal lefty outage at bush for doing all the wrong things. you can never win, you just can never win, because you are wrong and that is it, you are wrong. that is what marxism and leninsm is in china, basically. except perhap the falun-gong, who number almost one million strong, who are in fact opposed to the communist china rule and desire a more liberal china. back on topic, obama smama labamba and bill will zimmerman wimmerman killerman.

07-19-2013, 03:07 PM	#49
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	ADG you made a long post for nothing. I already addressed that earlier. None of those videos you are posting are Obama calling an impromptu press conference to specifically address an issue. They are all him reluctantly answering questions from the press. The Zimmerman press conference today was a "surprise" press conference that he called just to talk about the Zimmerman verdict. Apparently the nationwide epidemic of Latino neighborhood watch guys killing unarmed black teens is so important that it reaches greater levels than gun running in Mexico, IRS targeting individuals, the NSA spying on us, drones killing people worldwide and now being used to spy on us at home. Those things were not important enough for the Pres. to call a press conference for. Dude...you are defending the undefensible. I understand you are a "liberal". So am I. But I'm not a "Democrat" and I don't believe in the govt. being able to infringe on our freedoms and liberty. No way that Obama is acting responsibly. He only acts out of political interest. In the grand scheme of things...he cares about Trayvon Martin about as much as people on GFY do: Not at all. This is just a way to help the Democrat party with their black political base and at the same time get the media off his ass over the IRS and NSA. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

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RandyRandy Clips still sell! Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Crown Heights, Brooklyn Posts: 1,708	Absolutely correct ADG, the vast majority of murders are committed intraracially. But that says to me the red herring is the interpretation that it's open season for "crazy ass crakers" to kill Blacks. The truth is Blacks will continue to kill Blacks and Whites will continue to kill Whites, almost exclusively. (93%/82% respectively). But that doesn't make for great headlines.