Barefootsies

300 delusional bleeding hearts.

You bleeding hearts crack me up.

I guess in your world when someone starts work at McDonalds they are going to be there for life like some union job where as Robbie, myself, and others have said that you bust your ass while that those shitty jobs, acquire some skills, and then advance yourself whether at McDonalds (promotion) or somewhere else.

You do know those managers could always find another manager job elsewhere right? One that might offer better benefits, hourly or salaried wage, etc.? They do not HAVE to stay there as a fry cook or $15.00/hour shift manager whatever. They can choose to apply those skills elsewhere to advance their career.

I am honestly thinking you guys are now trolling for effect as you can't be this ignorant. Perhaps you have never owned a business, or had staff that you've had to pay. That could also be part of this. I can assure you that if you had, you're not going to be so willing to give someone $15.00/hour for answering a phone or taking out the garbage.

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Barefootsies

Actually, if you talk to some of the lifers on government assistance, they can literally break this shit down for you dollar for dollar (if only they applied that skill to the real world). What you just described above is very true sadly.

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arock10

You might not be able to raise the price, but you might sell a few more memberships if suddenly a few million people made an extra few bucks an hour. The group of people basically guaranteed to spend all the money they make

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Wait a minute...... so now even $40,000.00 a year is not enough for these people?!?!!? They might be working too hard, and it's not fair again somehow to be making this as a wage either? Please explain to me what you think these fry cooks and managers of a fast food chain are supposed to be making.

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kane

A friend of mine has a son who dated a girl and knocked her up so she married her. Her family is a bunch of deadbeats. Now she and he and their kid live with her parents and her sister all in one house. He has a job (interestingly enough at Walmart), but everyone else, including his wife, is on "disability." Getting government money is the family business. Apparently they tried to talk him into letting them try to get him on disability, but he refused. He knows his dad is already unhappy with how things have turned out, he might disown him if he went on disability.

Robbie

That's a great theory. But I don't think McDonalds workers are exactly my target audience. And even if they were...they will simply go to PornHub like everybody else. Nice try though!

One thing for sure...it WILL raise the price of stuff for me. Because once McDonalds workers get a raise for their UNSKILLED labor staff...that means that skilled labor will need raises too. And then the price of everything goes up.

Except porn.

This country needs a reset button.

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blackmonsters

You say it's unskilled labor but the reality is that you would be fired as a cook if you tried it today without training.

You don't even know how to run the cash register.

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Robbie

I guarantee you that if I worked the cash register it would take me about 2 seconds to figure it out. And cooking? Please.

I've always excelled at anything and everything I ever did. I'm sure you have too.

That is the difference.

And yes...it's fucking UNSKILLED labor all day long. No education, anybody can do it.

And by the way...I've never been "Fired" because I've never worked for anyone else. I have always been the guy who took the reigns and I outworked anyone who ever worked FOR me too. If I went to work at McDonalds, I'd own that franchise in a year.

If you think that it's "hard", then maybe I misjudged you.

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TheSquealer

Something like 25% of all US adults have worked at McDonald's.

Seems they did ok. The own franchises, they own business', they became doctors amd lawyers, they are famous athletes and actors. Many are super wealthy. Maybe there is no problem ???

tamitu

Just shit money for shit food. That's all...
Only the customer loses because overpay for food from the vials ...

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Robbie

The food isn't the issue here.

The issue is do you pay a guy asking you what you want for your order over the speaker $15 an hour? I say HELL NO. He should be getting $3 an hour and they should be hiring young people to do that job to give them some workforce experience.

Anything more is insanity.

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TheSquealer

People that can easily be replaced by a kiosk should be paid more money.

Uhmmmm.....

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tamitu

What experience in MC?
In Poland, a worker in the MCD, has about $ 2 per hour.

Gaining experience, but probably only if he want to go collect rice in China ... Experience how to work for a dish of rice.

I almost forgot ... It teaches that no one else that can not be trusted, because in ten employees, only one will advance to the next level. Growing stress, competition, hatred, and all this for $ 2 per hour.
Rat Race, and it keeps the rats out there.

Sorry for my english but i still learning. Now too.

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Now you see why there are so many broke dick mofos in adult. The rational and responses of some of the people in this thread is fucking mind boggling.

SBJ

This is just too funny!!!

$3 per hour?? wow that is funny! I have a 21yr old daughter that works part time while she is in college. She works in retail stores cause the fast food industry pays shit as it is. So you want these teens to work at your fairyland MCD for $3 a hour to get what $70 a week after taxes? Are you going to pay them in monopoly money too?

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Barefootsies

A business does not exist for the sake of employing your kids and paying her enough to be on MTV cribs. They exist to make a profit selling their wares and stay in business. If your kid doesn't work there, they next one will. There is no shortage of people needing jobs.

The repeated rationale that a business should be thinking of anything beyond staying in business is absolutely comical. Their first priority is profit and staying afloat. The market and a person's skill level decides what employees are paid. If they need to entice workers they offer higher pay, or benefits to attract better candidates for the positions offered.

I am not going to pay someone $15.00/hour to flip a burger, answer a phone, or anything I can find someone unskilled off CL to come in and do with a day's worth of training. If you can be replaced by a CL ad, then you never had a skilled position in the first place and should be paid accordingly.

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This is actually an interesting post to me. When I was 18 years old I was working at Radio Shack and I hated it. I also felt kind of trapped there.

There was a guy that came in regularly and bought little parts. He dressed nice, had a nice car and appeared to be a pretty successful guy. One day we were talking and he tells me that he worked at Radio shack when he was my age and it gave him a good base to go on and do other things with.

That was almost like a light bulb going off in my head. It was kind of like the idea that there more out there and that this is just the beginning and far from the end. Form there pretty much every job I had I aspired to quit the day I started working there. I knew I was only there to learn new things and move up. My life took some strange turns including working as a music journalist, moving to a few different cities and eventually selling porn online, but during all of those times I have always looked for a way to improve and move up.

Sadly, a lot of people don't have that moment or they don't think about things like that. For many they just see it as the end of the line and the dead end job that they are stuck in.

tamitu

"Survival of the fittest. Life's tough, wear a helmet."

Life is hard for those who want to be difficult.

Recently a friend on FB looking for a job, I gave him a couple of ways to make ... I got a clear answer, which I understand this - most people are not looking for money, just slavery, for little money, earning a fortune to someone. This is state of mind, and not that there is no work. Im too looking for a job, but just to be able to invest in my not profitable ideas ... Such a life, they are kicked because they like to be enslaved, I'm through life's ass kicked, because I put ideas than money ... life ... each has its own ..

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Listen I never said $15 a hour.. It's never been about $15 a hour. If you followed it at you you would know that the $15 a hour was thrown out there for a bargaining chip to hopefully get them a $2 or $3 raise from $7.

Everyone keeps saying these jobs were made for teens just starting out but it's already been stated many times that in reality 50% of the workers are in their 20's and 30's..

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No one fucking cares.

Seasonal jobs were also meant for teens. Just because you have not managed to acquire any solid trade or skill set to get anything better than an entry level fry cook or lawn mowing job doesn't change the point of their intent for these jobs.

Again, you're all about excusing and reinforcing this behavior versus personal responsibility.

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don't make this about me.. haha I worked a factory job for 11years after high school and was in a skilled labor job of driving machinery. For the last 10+ years I've worked online.

but as robbie stated he has never worked for someone else so I don't see how he would know anything about how MCD works..

but his delusions that if he worked there he'd own it in a year.. I wonder if he'd start out at his $3 per hour wage too.

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Explaining macroeconomics, finance, business and management to the fry cooks and lettuce washers is like explaining how to make a soufflé to a baboon. Amusing of course... but the results are pretty predictable.

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arock10

So clearly the answer is just killing all these extra people since we just want to demean them and keep them poor. Time for world war 3?

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Clearly the answer is that you should lead example and pay double for hosting, design, coding, content and affiliate payouts

Don't be greedy

arock10

I pay my grunts $14 an hour to work from the comfort of their homes

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Why not pay 20.00 per hour ???

Or won't affect your bottom line... Just raise prices

arock10

Well they are grunts working one of the more flexible and casual jobs. I believe $14 an hour is fair and I haven't had any complaints yet. $20 an hour wouldn't be much of a difference as I still rely heavily on automation and myself. $7 an hour wouldn't encourage me to rush out and hire more people.

I'd rather pay a premium then have people griping about wages

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Robbie

Yeah I would. And if you think my confidence in my abilities to outwork anybody else are "delusions" then so be it. You don't know me. I'm just a guy on a message board. Believe what you will.

But you CAN believe this. There are people out there who do exactly what I said...they are driven to succeed. And then there are the 99.99% of the people who are NOT driven to succeed.

My "delusions" have made me rich over the years as I walked into situations and went from nothing. Learning every piece of the puzzle from the ground up.

McDonalds? Give me a fucking break. I know you don't know me...but at least you know yourself right? Do you seriously think you wouldn't be able to walk into any McDonalds and within the first week become the most valuable employee they have? And then rise up fast? And within a very short amount of time be managing? And then move on to owning your own franchise?

If you don't believe that...then you must not be very confident in yourself.

And by the way...I've never worked for anyone else because I sacrificed and didn't have the luxury of a guaranteed paycheck. I'm glad you find that amusing.
I find that to be an admirable quality in people. You must see things a lot differently than I do, which would explain a lot of things.

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Minte

Seriously, you are worried about demeaning people, and then next sentence refer to them as grunts. DO you pay your grunts health insurance.. I imagine you will step up in January and do the right thing and pay that for them.

What's laughable about this thread is that the same people are always on the rainbow side of reality. And the one thing they all have in common is that they never have run a business. I bet none of you would even know what an I-9 audit is. And what the fines are for messing up a form or two. How about a visit from the EEOC.

You think you can surf the internet and become an expert in business. Simply put ,you can't. You are clueless today and will be clueless tomorrow.

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kane

What always amazes me is when people don't like the position they are in at a company or they don't like how much they make yet they do nothing about it. Like you say, most people will simply just not put out the effort.

One tech company I worked for published a newsletter every Friday that listed all of the job openings within the company. I was looking at that thing from day one while many people who bitched about wanting more money never looked at it to see what they might be qualified for. Within a month of starting to work there and knowing nothing about the job I was promoted to be a trainer and was training new people. Four months later I was made technician and helped troubleshoot problems with the machines and software we used. After a year of being there I applied for a job in the prototype lab and got it. There were people who had been in my department 5 years and were still doing the entry level job and were pissed that I moved up and out within a year.

One of them pulled me aside after I started in the new department and asked me how I did it and told him: learn everything and then ask for promotion. Tell them you want more responsibility. They can't read minds. If they see you do good work and you make it clear that you want to move ahead they will think of you when those openings happen. It was almost like I had given him some kind of secret code. To me it was simple logic, but he thought if he just sat there and worked away one day they would magically come along and move him on up the ladder. Those that ask for he sale get the sale.

Rochard

It's unskilled labor.

You start at 9am and by 11am you are full trained. They make you watch a video, give you half hour of on the job training, and then you are fully trained. It's not rocket science; Any high school drop out can do it. You don't need to go to school for six months to work at McDonald's, which is why it's called unskilled labor.

The cash register is pretty easy too.

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I think this is a fascinating thing about human behavior. I have some rather unconventional beliefs on why we are what we are. But its interesting to note that someone can either live a miserable life or full filling life by just making a simple choice. .. by just looking at the same problem a little differently. Most people for a large variety of reasons won't. There are those who eventually will, no matter what horrible suffering they are going through. There are those who turn tragedy into that defining and trans formative moment in their life and those who will turn it into the thing that destroys their lives.

Everything is just a matter of perspective. Everything. That perspective can change in a heartbeat and a person can completely transform their life. It can be witnessing a single event, it can be hearing a lyric in a song, it can be reading a single sentence. A truth about how we perceive things as individuals is that there really is no good and bad.. there is only how we perceive things and what we CHOOSE to do with that information. A perfect example are phobias. An event happens. An irrational fear is developed. A person then goes through life being afraid of the wrong thing at the wrong time. How do people get over phobias? They eventually say "fuck this.. this is stupid, this is ruining my life" and more often than not, its as simple as that. A simple change in perspective and a simple change in how they start viewing that behavior. You had that moment... you learned from it. You began to place yourself at cause and you built the life you wanted. Others.... well.... we need ditch diggers too so its quite the conundrum.

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maxjohan

Who said, it can't been done?

Here in Sweden a McDonald's worker makes about $16.69/hour.

$1 = 6.50 Swedish kronor.

A big mac and company, costs me about $9-$10 here.

A McDonald's worker makes about 18,000 SEK a month.

That's $2769 before taxes.

And plenty of people pays for their big mac & co, every day.

In Norway the salaries and costs of big mac & co's are probably even higher.

So, who said it can't be done?

(I got this information, from posts, on a Swedish forum/board.)

Raised prices. Raised salaries.

But most food, seems to be cheaper in the USA.

We don't have Walmart here.

And so on.

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Different country. Different laws. Different culture. Different tax rates. Different benefits. Different everything.

Raise prices - see declines in sales.
Raise salaries - see increase in overhead.
Business model no longer works.

McDonalds has been losing money for a long time and only in recent quarters began to improve earnings. Now they do... what? Radically upset customers and turn their business model upside down?

End of discussion?

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kane

That is an interesting thought. When I look back at my life I have known and still know people from all over that spectrum. I have one friend that is so worried about making his wife happy that he does whatever she says. This includes them constantly moving to different places. They have lived in five different states in the last seven years and they wonder why they are always broke and he can never get a good paying job. He is never in a place long enough to work his way up the ladder. They have much more deep seeded issues, but at its core he is never able to establish himself and make decent money. Almost like clockwork as soon as he starts doing well at work, gets some raises and things get better for them, she wants to move so they pick up and go and start over again.

He is not resigned to barely getting by. The other day he said to me, "If I could just get a job making $11 per hour with regular 40 hour weeks I would be loving it."

I asked him how the hell he could pay for himself, his wife and two kids on $11 per hour and he told me that many of their bills are paid for by the church they go to and in exchange they do a lot of volunteer work for the church. So he is resigned to a life of barely getting by and puts up the front that he is happy with it, but when you get him alone all he talks about is wanting this thing and wanting to go to this place. All things he can't do because he can't afford it.

If he would sit his wife down and tell her they need to grow some roots so he can establish himself and make a better life for their family things would be different, but he will not do it. It is a crazy thing.

maxjohan

I added some more things to the post, and deleted some.

Well.

I probably think, living costs are lower in the USA, overall. As you said, it's a different culture. That's probably why I deleted the "End of discussion" part.

Yes, businesses(Like McDonald's.), should try to make money and earn a net profit. I agree with that, if that's what you are saying?

Nothing bothers me more, than businesses who constantly take investor money and never, or almost never, makes a profit.

Year after year.

The same thing, you know what I mean?

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My view of people and their actions can be summed up like this:

"people do what they are motivated to do".

I really try not to look beyond that that statement when looking at behaviors. Likely because he has someone helping him pay bills and he has that insurance in case his life goes wrong, he's not motivated to earn more.

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Eschaton

For all of you advocating McDonalds increase their wages, answer this question:

If McDonalds could simply raise prices without it having a negative effect: Why wouldn't they simply raise prices right now and not pay their workers more?

maxjohan

I guess, what you meant, was, "why they would" change a "winning" concept, when it's working, right?

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I remember you posting about your new job about a year ago. Glad to hear things are going well.

Barefootsies

I can assure you that if you invested a decade or any significant period of time building something from the ground up, your point of view and willingness to give it all away in taxes and benefits for burger flippers would be very different.

When it's not YOUR MONEY it's easy to give it away to everyone for everything in the name of being 'fair'.

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I am all for capitalism. I love, that system. And I don't say "love" often and to many things. LOL.

On the other hand, I think capitalism in America, is a little bit over the top at times.

Like guys like Trump. He is great at "The Apprentice" and I like that show.

But I think he is a little bit too, gr**dy in his views, at times.

At least, that's how I see him and some other republicans.

But all republicans, aren't all rich, gr**dy guys.

Far from it.

But overall it's another country, and another culture.

Than what, I am coming from.

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No, not at all. It's clear you have little business experience if you can't understand the impact to the business - both anticipated and unanticipated by changing expenses and costs to the consumer

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Australia made their min wage $16 an hour, they have 5 percent unemployment.

maxjohan

I just wanted to hear how you thought and where you were standing. Of course, I could grasp it directly, but I thought you maybe had some indirect meaning with what you said, too.

By the way, I think if you are really honest about it, it could work. But I don't think it will work if you only increase prices, or only increase salaries.

Of course.

It also depends on how much you increase prices, and if competition will increase prices, too.

Headline: We are giving our hard working workers a raise, and we are raising our price with $2 for a big mac & co, to pay our workers to fuel the economy.

You think people will really get that upset, if you are honest about it?

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maxjohan

Well, I need to add this, too:

Everything or almost everything, can be sold, with good marketing.

But that's just how I see things, and my opinion.

An example of that, would be to improve the product a little, while they increased prices. They don't even have to talk about the workers, getting paid more.

So, "Better meat, and better bread, calls for a price increase at McDonald's".

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arock10

They have not been losing money. They have been making less then expected profits after probably doing fucking great due to the recession.

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