Blood Pooling At CET - GoFuckYourself.com

mikesouth · 09-10-2013, 04:42 PM

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Blood Pooling. If you are like me you probably never even heard this term before but if you test at Cutting Edge Testing I am told that you are a part of it.

Here?s how it works:

Lets say 30 people test today. Those blood samples are then mixed together something like 3 sets of ten, we will call these intermediate samples. These intermediate tests are then combined to create a master sample that contains blood from all 30 draws. ONE test is then run on this sample, if it comes up negative, then all 30 people are presumed to be negative.

If the master sample tests positive then each of the three intermediate samples are tested and then all ten persons in the positive intermediate samples are tested until the positive person is determined.

The obvious reason for this is to save money they can test 30 or however many people for the price of one, even a positive test in this scenario means twelve tests instead of 30.

Now there?s some argument that this methodology isn?t as effective as individual testing but most of what I have read indicates that it is.

The downside is that retesting when its necessary makes it take longer to get results.

The real question that comes to mind is why is CET charging full price for these tests? Clearly the answer is to make money.

Now remember CET doesn?t really do this testing they jus do the draws, the testing is done at CERF Labs. Remember CERF, if not look back in the archives, CET didn?t want to run the Aptima HIV test until MANWIN purchased the Aptima Machine for CERF Labs.

Now you should be putting it together?Manwin owns FSC, FSC insists on clearing everyone through APHSS (Now PASS) and they encourage performers to test at Cutting Edge who send the tests out to CERF where they are pooled and tested.

Wanna bet the FSC is getting a cut of that money? Remember when Fabian said he ?Never heard of CERF?

I asked Sixto at TTS if they do blood pooling and he assured me that they do not nor have they ever. So next time you fork over 150.00 bucks think about this?and ask yourself where the money is REALLY going.

I recommend testing at TTS

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-10-2013, 05:23 PM

Saw this Blood Pooling story today too:

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We?ve been hearing about this method of testing for HIV called pooled rapid HIV evaluations.

But what does it really mean in terms of accuracy?

Since testing of pooled samples can decrease costs. This we know. Okay, but what about safety?

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?Based on these results, pooled testing methods were evaluated for screening patients admitted to hospital in San Diego, California. Evaluation of pooled antibody testing on samples collected from individuals with known HIV infection found only a modest reduction in sensitivity.?

Only a modest reduction in sensitivity? Really? I mean a modest reduction in sensitivity sounds kinda like a big deal to me. How about you? But even worse it turns out those that are likely to not show up are the people who are the most infectious.

Quote:

?These false negative results were only found among samples with very low optical density readings, and therefore likely correspond to samples collected during acute infection.?

So in other words, they gave them more samples of people who they knew for a fact had HIV and where in the acute stage; again the most infectious time, and the pooled blood test only came back with a positive 86% of the time of samples taken within 60 days of the initial infection and 92% of samples taken within 90 days of initial infection.

That?s kind of a big deal, don?t you think?

If a person has HIV and is extremely likely to pass it on as they are at the most infectious stage of their infection and pooling blood doesn?t really work well on those kinds.

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?Further evaluation of pooled testing of samples collected from individuals during recent infection, found that mini-pool testing of five samples detected HIV antibody in 86% of samples taken within 60 days of the initial infection and 92% of samples taken within 90 days of the initial infection.?

So in other words, they gave them more samples of people who they knew for a fact had HIV and where in the acute stage ? again the most infectious time, and the pooled blood test only came back with a positive 86% of the time of samples taken within 60 days of the initial infection and 92% of samples taken within 90 days of initial infection.

This pooled blood testing works fine and is most cost effective method of testing, as long as the person hasn't caught HIV in the last 90 days. If so we are all fucked.

So in other words, Cameron Bay could have been positive prior to June or earlier. Have all of those people been notified?

Has Xander Corvus been testing using another type of test to prove he for sure doesn?t have HIV? Has he gone anywhere besides Cutting Edge Testing?

Time for the adult industry to clean it's pool.

ADG

mikesouth · 09-10-2013, 05:43 PM

minor correction testing is now sent out to foundation labs...prolly got a better price...everything else is still correct

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-10-2013, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

minor correction testing is now sent out to foundation labs...prolly got a better price...everything else is still correct

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Grapesoda · 09-10-2013, 06:45 PM

FYI: been well known for years

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-10-2013, 11:00 PM

Leave it to Rob Black to invite Manwin to the pool party:

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Manwin?s Cauldron of Blood; You've Been Paying $120 for a Test You Can Get for Free

The date of the Watergate break in was June 17, 1972. It toppled the Nixon presidency, but it took over two years of story after story reported by the Washington Post and scandal upon new scandal and televised hearings for that to happen. I believe the Free Speech Coalition will go down a lot quicker than that, but you never know.

If today?s news isn?t the clincher, then I?m just waiting for the photos of Diane Duke in the arms of another woman to emerge.

?I said kill Manwin by going at them locally,? stated Rob Black on his Tuesday show.

Now it?s being revealed that Cutting Edge Testing which is owned by Manwin is probably pooling blood. Slim Pickens had the story on his site today but I?ll break ?pooling? down for you.

[To save money, labs do a practice called pooling. They combine blood tests into batches and run those. If a batch has a positive, they go back and deconstruct the pool and re-run individual samples. This is a common cost saving practice and is generally used when services are free or no cost to the client.

The problem is that performers are paying for an individual quantitative test but aren?t getting that. The difference between the two is this: when you pool test you reduce sensitivity which increases the window period by several days. A pooled RNA test has a window period from 12 ? 20 days. An individual test has a window period from 7 ? 14 days. These window periods can have dramatic effects for moratoriums and when you sound "all clear."

The County of Los Angeles uses pooled RNA testing at all its sponsored clinics and service providers such as the Gay and Lesbian Center. At AHF you can get both the pooled RNA test (run at the county lab) or a p24 antigen/antibody testing (run in house) which gives us quicker results (48 hours).

All these tests are free.

?I?ve been saying this. Manwin owns AVN locally and they own Cutting Edge,? Black continued.

?Stop going to Cutting Edge and stop advertising with AVN. That will kill Manwin with the investors who are looking for their money. My question is, is everyone that much of a douchebag that they go with the program? To me this whole idea of how they test our blood makes my knees buckle.

?Is this something TTS knew about and didn?t say anything? If Mike South, the blogger, if that blogger knew about this, why didn?t anyone tell anybody? My knees are weak thinking they test our blood together.

"Blood pooling. Jesus Christ I got to sit down. How is this not being talked about? I don?t get it. I really am baffled. Does this not bother anybody? Why have we been doing this? I am so fucking queazed out. I got to lay down!!

?A swab test and a condom is more safe than anything we do now,? Black concluded.

?Our industry said we want to fuck everybody we want and we?re going to take these foolproof tests, but, oh shit this is going to cost a lot of money. But here?s the other test - it?s cheap and better than nothing.

?The awesome test is too much, and you cheat for the money factor. You use less of a plan but everyone thinks it?s the best plan. If this is not a criminal investigation added to RICO I don?t know what is.

?I?m not a doctor. But I would trust getting an over the counter $60 HIV test and putting on a condom before doing a scene bareback having anyone test through Cutting Edge.

?It?s not a good test, but you?re being told it is. I can?t imagine how any doctor in America would tell you that pooling your blood for HIV is a better way than a doctor doing a one-on-one test with you.

?If it?s too much money and you can?t afford it, isn?t it an indication you shouldn?t be doing it [sex on camera]??

Black used the analogy of doing a dangerous movie stunt with a cheap car to save money.

?Save the money and take a shot- who the fuck would do that??

?They take all of our blood and put it in a cauldron of shit. If they get a positive and that gets the ball rolling. And that?s what you?re cool with.

?I picture John Stagliano with a mask on, stirring this big cauldron of blood. Maybe not with even a mask. Buttman stirring the Cutting Edge blood pool.

?Cutting Edge is creating blood pools so we all can have sex unprotected except when there?s a moratorium where Steve Hirsch can fly to Las Vegas and break the law. That is what we have- the Cutting Edge cauldron of pooled blood with John Stagliano swishing it. It really makes you wonder what is going on.

"It?s amusing with all this stuff and the fact that no one?s ever talked about this. Why is it no one?s ever told anything in our business? Doesn?t this bother you? They?re taking all of our blood and throwing it into a cauldron.

?How much is a blood pooling test and why is this test more expensive?" Black wanted to know.

"Doesn?t this bother anybody that after all these years of dealing with Christian Mann we?re finding out what they?re doing with our blood. We don?t know nothing.

?We have four people with HIV and we?re just starting to find these things out. Who?s known about this stuff? And why was nobody told? Mike South has all this awesome information that destroys Manwin so why has no one known about this?

?If Mike South has all this smoking gun information why wasn?t he divulging this months ago? If all these issues were out there why was nobody putting them up? I said to hit Manwin you got to hit Cutting Edge. No, instead, let?s talk about piracy, Scott Justice and Brett Rossi. We have so much filth going on, or, I guess Mike South was sitting on this for months.?

Regardless, Black said it was time to get off the Manwin train.

?If I had known anything about this testing and the costs I would have been out with this months ago.?

Black said people in this business have been fooled into thinking that your test was scrupulously examined with a magnifying glass only to have Stagliano mixing cauldrons of blood in a back room.

?Why else would you have people like South talking about how Free Speech is bad and this huge information is being kept quiet? Black asked.

??Oh, Nobody needs to know about it.? Really? Do all of you agree that nobody needs to know about how they?re drawing our blood and exactly what they?re doing and no one needs to know this?

?Am I the only one that finds this somewhat disturbing that people in this business have known about it, although no one will admit the truth about anything. If bloggers knew about this testing and blood pooling and this was going on- this is a question I need South to answer.

?Is this something they just found out? Then let?s get more information about it. To me this is exposing Manwin and enough about worrying about Manwin servers in countries where you have sex with young boys. You get Manwin here with Cutting Edge Testing, AVN, John Stagliano, Kink.com, the whole group of them.

?That is the foundation we have to attack, and I applaud the people for starting that. I need to know who?s known about this procedure.?

Black then explained what I wrote earlier, that pooling is a cost saving practice but the problem is you?re paying for an individual test but are not getting that- you?re getting a cut rate test. And pooled tests give you less accuracy as far as windows are concerned. It has a dramatic effect when you say you?re cleared for a moratorium when you aren?t.

So essentially the talent are paying $120 to $140 for a test that is offered as a free county health service.

?I wish you would get your heads out of the asses of these people you?ve been listening to,? said Black.

- Gene Ross

Does Manwin own CET? I know they donated equipment, but didn't think they actually owned CET (seems like it would be an unusual investment).

It does make sense that blood pooling should drive the cost per test down. It would be nice to see the savings passed on to performers.

Outside the Box/Off the Wall thought: Perhaps the adult industry could persuade the AHF/government to provide free education, testing, and condoms for performers (win-win)...

ADG

Oracle Porn · 09-11-2013, 12:35 AM

I'm glad I have normal healthcare and the price of a blood test is waking up early to go to the lab.
What a circus this looks like. 30 people need to get retested because of a blood pool to save a few bucks?

09-10-2013, 04:42 PM	#1
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	Blood Pooling At CET from http://www.mikesouth.com Blood Pooling. If you are like me you probably never even heard this term before but if you test at Cutting Edge Testing I am told that you are a part of it. Here?s how it works: Lets say 30 people test today. Those blood samples are then mixed together something like 3 sets of ten, we will call these intermediate samples. These intermediate tests are then combined to create a master sample that contains blood from all 30 draws. ONE test is then run on this sample, if it comes up negative, then all 30 people are presumed to be negative. If the master sample tests positive then each of the three intermediate samples are tested and then all ten persons in the positive intermediate samples are tested until the positive person is determined. The obvious reason for this is to save money they can test 30 or however many people for the price of one, even a positive test in this scenario means twelve tests instead of 30. Now there?s some argument that this methodology isn?t as effective as individual testing but most of what I have read indicates that it is. The downside is that retesting when its necessary makes it take longer to get results. The real question that comes to mind is why is CET charging full price for these tests? Clearly the answer is to make money. Now remember CET doesn?t really do this testing they jus do the draws, the testing is done at CERF Labs. Remember CERF, if not look back in the archives, CET didn?t want to run the Aptima HIV test until MANWIN purchased the Aptima Machine for CERF Labs. Now you should be putting it together?Manwin owns FSC, FSC insists on clearing everyone through APHSS (Now PASS) and they encourage performers to test at Cutting Edge who send the tests out to CERF where they are pooled and tested. Wanna bet the FSC is getting a cut of that money? Remember when Fabian said he ?Never heard of CERF? I asked Sixto at TTS if they do blood pooling and he assured me that they do not nor have they ever. So next time you fork over 150.00 bucks think about this?and ask yourself where the money is REALLY going. I recommend testing at TTS __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

09-10-2013, 05:43 PM	#3
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	minor correction testing is now sent out to foundation labs...prolly got a better price...everything else is still correct __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

09-11-2013, 12:35 AM	#7
Oracle Porn Affiliate Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Icq: 94-399-723 Posts: 24,433	I'm glad I have normal healthcare and the price of a blood test is waking up early to go to the lab. What a circus this looks like. 30 people need to get retested because of a blood pool to save a few bucks? __________________

09-10-2013, 06:45 PM	#5
Grapesoda So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montana Posts: 46,238	FYI: been well known for years