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directfiesta · 09-11-2013, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's fuckoing dickhead punks like you that think your fucking view is superior.

you are fucking posting on gfy dipshit. does that even register to you?

i'll explain it- you have no fucking idea what you are talking about so for you to point your piece of shit finger at me for being dense simply because i posted a comment stating it's widely written is about as fucking stupid a comment you could make

eat shit fuckwad, i'm tired of shitbags like you.

Tom_PM · 09-11-2013, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Tom, are you really forgetting the "intelligence" on Iraq's "WMD's" that led us to war a decade ago?

Nobody of consequence disputed that either. Other world leaders, Democrat and Republican Senators and Congressmen all were saying he had them and we needed to go to war, hell...Colin Powell made that big presentation to the U.N. (because back then we got world approval before attacking).

Ironically, one of the few who never agreed with going to war in Iraq was Barrack Obama. Funny how power changed his viewpoint.

I THINK Assad's govt. forces DID gas those people.
And I THOUGHT that Saddam Hussein was making a nuclear weapon as well.

And I'm smart enough not to make the same dumbass mistake twice. Too bad the Pres. is not.

You can't trust what these politicians are telling you.

I know that for some reason you seemed hell-bent on bombing and KILLING Syrians. So you're viewpoint is a little bit slanted that way.

But I for one...and most of the country and the world, are in no mood to start killing people based on U.S. "intelligence" again.

I'm glad this thing is working out another way.

Well, actually most people of consequence disputed the Iraq facts and it really SHOULD be a part of history now as it's been done for so long! You don't remember the French ambassador to the UN calling for the weapons inspections to be completed? And the retarded response of war hungry idiots pouring out wine and renaming french fries? He was RIGHT all along. That war was brought on by war hawks has-beens like cheney, rumy, wolfy and that ilk. It was not even surprising.

Comparing something like THAT to this is very wrong.

What we're seeing now is a president who wants to enforce the UN and other treaties against those weapons. We also see other openings and so he's not being an idiot and charging in anyway. AND naturally now we see political parties claiming that there's no leadership out of the oval office because he's NOT attacking! Fuckers in politics want it every way, lmao. As usual.

Anyway, we've been down this before. Some people you could sit on your lap and watch the missiles being launched and landing and people dying from the gas and they would claim no.. I was in the matrix.

Oh and by the way, you have my standing on this all wrong. I've said repeatedly that WHOEVER used the chemical weapons should be spanked HARD for it. Whether it's the gov, the rebs, or a third party. I"m not for war. I am all for making it clear that it's wrong. Guess what? They haven't been used since and now it looks like they'll make a deal to get rid of their previously non existent chemical weapons.

bronco67 · 09-11-2013, 05:42 AM

Why would anyone play devil's advocate for Assad, or give him the benefit of the doubt? He has lots of chemical weapons, the delivery system and reason to use them. It's a no brainer.

Does that mean we should get involved? I thought Obama made a good case last night. The Syria situation is more an indirect threat.

And you guys posting links from hack journalism sites like RT news and The Examiner doesn't help the conspiracy case at all.

Barry-xlovecam · 09-11-2013, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

Why would anyone play devil's advocate for Assad, or give him the benefit of the doubt? He has lots of chemical weapons, the delivery system and reason to use them. It's a no brainer.

Does that mean we should get involved? I thought Obama made a good case last night. The Syria situation is more an indirect threat.

And you guys posting links from hack journalism sites like RT news and The Examiner doesn't help the conspiracy case at all.

Notwithstanding,"and reason to use them." Maybe, that should be rephrased:

and crazy enough to use them.

Other than that you are dead on.

I would really like to see this surrender of Assad's Syrian Chemical weapons (also including biological weapons (if they do exist too?)) but I am afraid this is just a cynical ploy to begin "negotiations" and indefinite delays.

Keep Assad on a very short leash ...

Robbie · 09-11-2013, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom_PM

Well, actually most people of consequence disputed the Iraq facts

Tom, the "war hawks has-beens" included people like Hillary Clinton, current "war hawk" John Kerry, and pretty much the entire Congress and Senate and most of the American people as well as a large number of other countries after the U.N. presentation.

The resolution to invade Iraq passed The House by 296-133
It passed the Senate by 77-23

If you are counting The Dixie Chicks as people of "people of consequence" then yes...they disputed the Iraq War. So did Rosie Odonell.
And guess what? They were RIGHT!

But the greedy politicians and their military war machine manufacturing lobbyists who give them millions? They wanted to use those products so they could sell more to replace them.

And now? It's like deja-vu all over again.

Only this time...the people of the United States have made it clear to those politicians that they aren't gonna stand for it. So the vote is "no" this time.

Also...you said that somebody should be "spanked".
That sounds cool.
But what "Spanked" really means is: Bombing and killing more Muslims. Plenty of them will be women and children. And ALL of them will create thousands of more people with an intense hatred for the United States and will come back to bite us in the future.

This country can not continue to bully and kill people worldwide. I thought that lesson had been learned over the past couple of decades. And it looks like most people did learn that.

You, Pres. Obama, John Kerry, and John McCain just haven't had that sink in yet.

dyna mo · 09-11-2013, 07:05 AM

the funny part is i still dominate you in arguments around here dipshit. and that's before i stoop to your level with insults.

so post all the pics you want, it just means your getting your ass handed to you by someone you are trying to portray as being on drugs.

what clever argument logic.

fucking dumbass.

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winter_ · 09-11-2013, 07:17 AM

it should just go down like this. i mean, come on, rather than this way right? at what point in time did the united states ever think these other countries such as turkey, israel, italy, ukraine, saudi arabia, china, russia, india, can't handle their own affairs in their own regions?

all of those countries have militaries even airforces and politicians who should have had the initiative and arguably responsibility, by using their diplomatic skills to throw a hell of a lot of water on this fire.

it seems to me whenever we see two politicians meet it is always with an american politician. the united states should let another pair of hands deal with this.

Robbie · 09-11-2013, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by winter_

it seems to me whenever we see two politicians meet it is always with an american politician. the united states should let another pair of hands deal with this.

It's Imperialism plain and simple.

We are putting our nose into every corner of the globe and calling it "National Defense".

It appears to me that the majority of people in this world HATE the United States.

We get fed a line of bullshit that it's because of our "freedom" (yeah, we're real "free" with more citizens than any country on Earth incarcerated).

But once you start paying attention at how many people around the world whose lives we have ruined...then you start to understand why our country is so hated. It's shameful.

And the part that irks me the most is...we, the people get the blame for what our fucked up Govt. is doing. And "we" are so misinformed and under-informed by our media that we don't even realize what's going on.

That's why most of us citizens were so shocked at 9-11
We shouldn't have been, the govt. sure wasn't. They KNEW it was coming sooner or later because of their actions.
But we citizens had no idea what our govt. is up to. And when someone blows the whistle and tries to tell us...they are sent to prison.

I always thought we were the "good guys". Now that I'm older, wiser, and more world traveled...I see that most times we are the "bad guys".

dyna mo · 09-11-2013, 07:48 AM

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During a press briefing on Monday, John Kerry said that Assad could avoid American air strikes by giving up all his chemical weapons within a week.

In an obvious desire to make Kerry pay for his flub and throw a wrench in Obama's determination to go to war with Syria, Putin has seized upon Kerry's hypothetical and called on Syria to accept Kerry's offer and turn over all of its chemical weapons.

theking · 09-11-2013, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

It's Imperialism plain and simple.

We are putting our nose into every corner of the globe and calling it "National Defense".

It appears to me that the majority of people in this world HATE the United States.

We get fed a line of bullshit that it's because of our "freedom" (yeah, we're real "free" with more citizens than any country on Earth incarcerated).

But once you start paying attention at how many people around the world whose lives we have ruined...then you start to understand why our country is so hated. It's shameful.

And the part that irks me the most is...we, the people get the blame for what our fucked up Govt. is doing. And "we" are so misinformed and under-informed by our media that we don't even realize what's going on.

That's why most of us citizens were so shocked at 9-11
We shouldn't have been, the govt. sure wasn't. They KNEW it was coming sooner or later because of their actions.
But we citizens had no idea what our govt. is up to. And when someone blows the whistle and tries to tell us...they are sent to prison.

I always thought we were the "good guys". Now that I'm older, wiser, and more world traveled...I see that most times we are the "bad guys".

"Good" and "bad" are subjective terms. There are not any White Hats or Black Hats...but alot of shades of Gray Hats . Our government has always...I repeat always...has done what it "perceives" to be in our best national interests (because our government is run by humans they make mistakes and always will)...just as all governments do. BTW...that is the job of our government...to act in what is for our best national interests...not what is in the best national interests of some other government/country.

Robbie · 09-11-2013, 07:59 AM

theking...I would go along with that.

But I don't believe they are acting in the people of the United States true best interests. I think they are working on behalf of their cronies best interests.

And they use guys like you and my brother-in-law (currently stationed in Afghanistan) to push people around all over the world.

If another nation attacks us? Let's DESTROY them with our military.

But we haven't been invaded since the War Of 1812.

Attacking and occupying other countries and killing people worldwide isn't a shade of grey in my opinion...it's WRONG. And every time we kill another person in THEIR country, we create enemies of everyone in their family and all their friends.

It's exponential growth of enemies, and keeps us here in the U.S having to be searched at airports and in fear all the time.

theking · 09-11-2013, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

theking...I would go along with that.

But I don't believe they are acting in the people of the United States true best interests. I think they are working on behalf of their cronies best interests.

And they use guys like you and my brother-in-law (currently stationed in Afghanistan) to push people around all over the world.

If another nation attacks us? Let's DESTROY them with our military.

But we haven't been invaded since the War Of 1812.

Attacking and occupying other countries and killing people worldwide isn't a shade of grey in my opinion...it's WRONG. And every time we kill another person in THEIR country, we create enemies of everyone in their family and all their friends.

It's exponential growth of enemies, and keeps us here in the U.S having to be searched at airports and in fear all the time.

You speak out quite strongly against the government on this board but other than complaining on a pornographer's board are you an "activist" in any sense of the word.

I made the choice many years ago not to become an "activist" other than complaining to my congressional representatives...which I have repeatedly done over the years of my life.

I do not have any respect for someone that is constantly complaining about the government but does nada to correct what they perceive to be wrong.

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Robbie · 09-11-2013, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by theking

I do not have any respect for someone that is constantly complaining about the government but does nada to correct what they perceive to be wrong.

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Don't much care about your respect. I don't know you, you're just another faceless person posting on a message board who doesn't show who he really is and uses "nicknames".

But talking about it on this forum is one way that I hope to have people think about it for themselves and start researching and not just listen to what we are told.

The other thing I did is in 2012: I stopped being a Democrat and registered and voted Libertarian.

And "no", I'm not going to be one of those crazy people acting like a jackass in public (an "activist"). That doesn't do anything.

As far as "respect", at least I'm saying something on a message board and that's my picture in my avatar and that's my real name. You, on the other hand aren't even doing that much.

_Richard_ · 09-11-2013, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

So much for that theory

Why would he do that?

He has a definite uphill battle, which is why he is agreeing to Russia's terms.

Examiner

"reported the German newspaper Bild am Sontag on Sept. 8, 2013."

http://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/s...0094.bild.html

back to fox news..

winter_ · 09-11-2013, 09:04 AM

well come on, put in some money to help them, maybe a dedicated thread too.

i can chip in thirty dollars.

you can try and donate here by some means!

Tom_PM · 09-11-2013, 09:06 AM

Man, I do NOT know what you are on about, Robbie. If you and your wife voted to let an investor invest your money and then the investor embezzled your money, did you vote for the embezzlement?

George W. Bush is the single person who brought war to Iraq. Congress voted to AUTHORIZE HIM to do it if he saw fit, AFTER reviewing all of the available data. He just took that piece of paper and ran straight into Iraq.

I'm not even sure why you're debating 10 year old news! Didn't you say you wouldn't go in there EVEN IF you were personally convinced that Assad had gassed his citizens?

Sly · 09-11-2013, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

Putin is smarter than Kerry could ever dream of being.

Robbie · 09-11-2013, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom_PM

George W. Bush is the single person who brought war to Iraq. Congress voted to AUTHORIZE HIM to do it if he saw fit, AFTER reviewing all of the available data. He just took that piece of paper and ran straight into Iraq.

Didn't you say you wouldn't go in there EVEN IF you were personally convinced that Assad had gassed his citizens?

Tom, I'm not debating anything. I'm simply learning a lesson from history.

If you're hung up on George Bush that's your problem. Fact is that he was a crooked piece of shit politician and so was/is Congress. He wouldn't have "ran straight into Iraq" without their approval, AND he told them that was the plan and that is exactly what they voted YES on.

And HELL YES I would vote a big fucking "NO" about bombing Syria. Don't want you to even wonder if that's true or not. YOU are the one who is bloodthirsty and thinks that killing MORE citizens will somehow "save" them or make it better for the ones who already died there.

It's none of our business, it's not legal for us to attack a sovereign nation, and you keep DODGING the fact that us "going in" means bombing and KILLING more civilians in Syria.

You keep acting like we are the "parent" of the world and they are our "children". They aren't. And we don't "spank" them...we KILL citizens.

How would YOU like it if another country decided to "spank" us for the shit we've done and killed your family with their bombs that are supposed to teach Obama a "lesson"?

That's crazy right?
But that is EXACTLY what the U.S. Federal Govt. was planning to do in Syria.

RyuLion · 09-11-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue

This is all the convincing I would need:

This is so Epic! Only if you "get it".

_Richard_ · 09-11-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

You mean in the USA where RT broadcasts from? Yea, they sort of have freedom of the press there.

unless it's illegal to say anything, then it's not very free at all..

_Richard_ · 09-11-2013, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by pornopete

Hi, maybe I'm a little stupid, but can somebody please explain to me how this is any of the US's business?

The gov't in Syria is in a civil war with Al Queda to begin with, maybe they did use chemical weapons, but according to the rest of the world the chemical weapons were used by the rebels/freedom fighters/people of syria/whatever al queda is being called today.

Finally, I heard a commentary on Fox news in which the commentator told Obama to give his nobel prize back. I have to agree with her, and I still do not understand what Obama did to earn what is essentially the most prestigious prize in the world.

look at who is funding the opposition

09-11-2013, 05:42 AM	#53
bronco67 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,035	Why would anyone play devil's advocate for Assad, or give him the benefit of the doubt? He has lots of chemical weapons, the delivery system and reason to use them. It's a no brainer. Does that mean we should get involved? I thought Obama made a good case last night. The Syria situation is more an indirect threat. And you guys posting links from hack journalism sites like RT news and The Examiner doesn't help the conspiracy case at all. __________________ Last edited by bronco67; 09-11-2013 at 05:44 AM..

09-11-2013, 07:59 AM	#61
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	theking...I would go along with that. But I don't believe they are acting in the people of the United States true best interests. I think they are working on behalf of their cronies best interests. And they use guys like you and my brother-in-law (currently stationed in Afghanistan) to push people around all over the world. If another nation attacks us? Let's DESTROY them with our military. But we haven't been invaded since the War Of 1812. Attacking and occupying other countries and killing people worldwide isn't a shade of grey in my opinion...it's WRONG. And every time we kill another person in THEIR country, we create enemies of everyone in their family and all their friends. It's exponential growth of enemies, and keeps us here in the U.S having to be searched at airports and in fear all the time. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

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Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Man, I do NOT know what you are on about, Robbie. If you and your wife voted to let an investor invest your money and then the investor embezzled your money, did you vote for the embezzlement? George W. Bush is the single person who brought war to Iraq. Congress voted to AUTHORIZE HIM to do it if he saw fit, AFTER reviewing all of the available data. He just took that piece of paper and ran straight into Iraq. I'm not even sure why you're debating 10 year old news! Didn't you say you wouldn't go in there EVEN IF you were personally convinced that Assad had gassed his citizens? __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

09-11-2013, 07:17 AM	#57
winter_ So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Perth, Adelaide, Auckland, Seattle Posts: 750	it should just go down like this. i mean, come on, rather than this way right? at what point in time did the united states ever think these other countries such as turkey, israel, italy, ukraine, saudi arabia, china, russia, india, can't handle their own affairs in their own regions? all of those countries have militaries even airforces and politicians who should have had the initiative and arguably responsibility, by using their diplomatic skills to throw a hell of a lot of water on this fire. it seems to me whenever we see two politicians meet it is always with an american politician. the united states should let another pair of hands deal with this.

09-11-2013, 09:04 AM	#65
winter_ So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Perth, Adelaide, Auckland, Seattle Posts: 750	well come on, put in some money to help them, maybe a dedicated thread too. i can chip in thirty dollars. you can try and donate here by some means!