baddog

Ready to be convinced?

Tom_PM

There's no convincing people who are so apathetic that they don't care if it's proven he's used sarin weapons on civilians and rebels.

In other words, he's going to lay down proofs, but it's already pointless.

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wehateporn

They'll need a big False Flag for the convincing, oddly enough it's September 11th tomorrow, a special date of worship for these people

This is the type of speech they save for September 11th

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dyna mo

i bet he's gonna show us some gruesome pictures too, to really sell the bombings.

dyna mo

obama got lucky when the russians stepped in and saved the democratic party with their diplomacy.

whew.

Tom_PM

How is it about party now? He isn't the leader of a party

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dyna mo

it's been written about extensively that if congress does not approve the bombings, obama fucked the demo party out of any power at same time emboldening the republican party.

wehateporn

People have realized that they've been told lies in the past, so they are too wise to fall for it again. However, sometimes the lie is too big, too big for people to realize it's a lie, that is what's required to start the war on Syria

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Helix

While listening to him, swap out the word "Chemical Weapons" with "Drone Strikes".

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Tom_PM

wehateporn, I know you're big on conspiracies. That's for another time. Nobody really disputes the intelligence that we have on this attack by the Syrian government on it's own citizens with sarin gas. So the debate is not that. It's about if someone does anything about it now and in the future. LUCKILY there has been an 11th hour reprieve and we should all be together and thankful for that.

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wehateporn

Intl experts have strong proof images of chemical victims fabricated

"Footage and photos of the alleged chemical attack in Syria, which the US cites as the reason for a planned military intervention, had been fabricated in advance, speakers told a UN human rights conference in Geneva.

Members of the conference were presented accounts of international experts, Syrian public figures and Russian news reporters covering the Syrian conflict, which back Russia?s opposition to the US plans, the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

The speakers argued that the suspected sarin gas attack near Damascus on August 21 was likely a provocation of the rebel forces and that a military action against the President Bashar Assad government will likely result in civilian casualties and a humanitarian catastrophe affecting the entire region. "

http://rt.com/news/experts-un-syria-chemical-649/

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dyna mo

Politically, if Obama wins Congressional authorization to bomb Syria in a squeaker vote, he will have used so much political capital that there may be little left for the upcoming fights over the budget and the debt ceiling, and Congressional Democrats will likely have lost whatever chance they have of retaking the House in 2014 and guaranteed years more of Washington gridlock and inaction on the nation's pressing problems

if Obama becomes the first president in modern history to lose such a Congressional vote, he immediately becomes a lame duck for the remaining three years of his term.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-...b_3894847.html

wehateporn

No conspiracies here, this one is out in the open, the US 'intelligence' is just propaganda we already know that from past experience, they're not a trustworthy source. There is clearly no reason why Assad would use chem weapons on his own people; it's an insult to Assad's common sense to suggest he would

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dyna mo

yeah, it's not like his daddy used them on their own peeps when he was in charge

mikesinner

This is a victory for Dems, at least so far it is. If you can't see that you are dense. There is not going to be any war. This was a ploy by Obama all along.

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Syria: Assad did not order chemical weapons attack, reports German intelligence

http://www.examiner.com/article/syri...n-intelligence

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dyna mo

you know what. fuck you. you think you have some vip pass to inside the beltway?

just fuck right off with your elitism, you are not fooling a single fucking person here, except yourself.

in fact, you like like a fucking tool now. the adults are trying to carry on an adult convo. you can act like a child with attempted insults and i will just shift gears and beat the living shit out of you verbally.

i couldn't give a shit right now. fuck off.

Tom_PM

It's been a long hot couple of days so I'm wasting time on this, lol. There is nobody of consequence who disputes all of the intelligence on this. There are only people desperate to say anything to undermine the US from within and without. You hear orders to troops saying to wear their masks, you watch bombs launch and drop, watch people dying from sarin gas, take hair and blood samples confirming it.. clearly it's not possible to convince some people. And people wonder why sometimes unilateral action is taken. Assad is a lying prick who's father gassed tens of thousands of rebels. He said just the other day that they don't have chemical weapons, and now he's willing to turn over his stockpile of.... chemical weapons to international control.. Enough. Have a good night.

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wehateporn

Assad's birthday now (Syrian time)

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wehateporn

We know this war has been planned for many years, it's been admitted, so then of course a reason appears to attack them, all a bit too obvious that it's been fabricated.

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dyna mo

it's fuckoing dickhead punks like you that think your fucking view is superior.

you are fucking posting on gfy dipshit. does that even register to you?

i'll explain it- you have no fucking idea what you are talking about so for you to point your piece of shit finger at me for being dense simply because i posted a comment stating it's widely written is about as fucking stupid a comment you could make

eat shit fuckwad, i'm tired of shitbags like you.

MaDalton

German intelligence reported that there are no WMD in Iraq - before the attack happened

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dyna mo

it's the weakest fucking argument logic of all- to have to denigrate the other person just to advance your view.

fuck that shit.

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baddog

So much for that theory

Why would he do that?

He has a definite uphill battle, which is why he is agreeing to Russia's terms.

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dyna mo

if russia hadn't offered a way out, it's been reported obama planned to use images of the chemical attack to push his bombing agenda.

this entire speech has been retooled after russia's offer.

would have been cooler for a lot of us if obama had put putin on the spot to offer a diplomatic solution instead of going straight to bombs. besides, he's been going tit-for-tat with putin over snowden, with the latest being the g-20 snub.

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mikesinner

You guys actually think Obama wants a war or that he would even try to go to war when public opinion was leaning against a war by %90 the day after that chemical attacks? He knew he would never get it past congress and it would barely pass the Senate. If you can't see that this was a ploy you'd have to be blind.

I'll admit it was a dangerous play, it could have backfired but behind the scenes we are buddy buddy with Russia, at least on certain issues we are. We both look at the Muslim world as a problem for both our countries. Obama and Putin had this planned out from the beginning. If Syria gives up their chemical weapons because we made them shit their pants at the thought of war then this is at least a small victory for Obama.

Of course they won't really give up all their chemical weapons. This is just a way to save face and avoid war.

Neither the U.S or Russia want to see innocent people killed in any country but we are happy to sit back and watch the Muslim power struggle continue as long as we can profit from it and don't have to get our troops involved any more than possible. Both our countries have had boots on the ground there for decades. We will sit back and watch the Arab world burn and we will sell them all the kindle they need.

There is no conspiracy here, it's obvious what is going on, it's been going on for half a century. It use to be set in S.E Asia but now it's the Middle East and the same players are there. It's really a friendly game of chess with our good Russian and Chinese buddies. We get rich of war while the little countries bleed.

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mikesinner

Obama and Putin will be slapping each other on the back about this and having a cold one in a few weeks.

Of course this plan could still go south.

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This is all the convincing I would need:

kane

I'm not sure I buy int political capital being used up on one fight and available for a later fight. Each fight is its own beast. The people are not behind bombing Syria and if the democrats go against their will and vote to approve the use of force it will hurt them. However, when it comes to the budget and debt ceiling those are different fights with different feelings.

I do think the democrats will not regain the house. After the republican redistricting that took place and some of the voter suppression laws that have passed in the last couple of years it will take a herculean effort by the dems and serious mistakes by the repubs for the democrats to take back the house. The senate is another story and likely could go either way and the white house is a long way off, but looks bad for republicans.

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noshit

lol You can't just get rid of yours or somebody else's WMD and expect the Foreign Bank owned American Minion Government to not come after you anyway.
They will false flag you to the hilt Because they are Mafia windshield repair men that don't like you having anything; especially a nice windshield that does not need repair.

PornoMonster

HAHA, just watched this...

So Obama is begging the Left and the Right to shoot missiles and bombs at Syria.

Guess he isn't getting a Nobel Peace Prize this year...

Hey didn't Saddam Husein Use gas on the Kurds???

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Lucky?

You think Putin made those comments out of complete coincidence? His people and Obama's people have been in constant contact from the start. The ONLY way Putin makes those comments is as part of a back room deal. Luck has nothing to do with it. The question is, what did it cost us? Without knowing what we gave up, it's impossible to grade whether it was wise or not to do it.

epitome

Just weird how Kerry casually made that comment about Syria being able to give up their weapons to the international community and now we are to this. It is almost like Obama and Putin are looking for a way to publicly kiss and make up.

winter_

the american people need to wake up and put their foot down then say hold the fuck on here why should the united states be involved at all other than for more regime change for ultimately their own ends. where is turkey in this? iran, italy? israel? if this is about religion or culture would it not be more appropriate for a deeply religious country to have a stronger role like israel instead of just sitting on a very distant sideline?

dyna mo

i'm going to need a link to that please. because the only info out there that i can dig up is in line with the fact that putin is ex-kgb and loves to poke usa and obama. in fact, he's been doing that with snowden for months. obama's answer was to snub him at the g-20.

i'm going to need some facts to back up the notion that all of that is subterfuge while a backroom back slapping buddy boy deal over syria, the biggest issue to hit in a while, is what really happened.

dyna mo

think of the message the russian brokered deal sends to the world:

obama firestarter

putin peacemaker


that is game set match imo.

Rochard

Sure sure, that's a valid source of info.

Do they have freedom of the press there?

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kane

They actually are. All of the polls are showing that the people are against us taking any action in Syria. I also saw a congressman talk about how he doesn't know any elected official in Washington that ha had any kind of positive response from the people in their district. If they choose to act they will be doing so against the will of the people.

The question is will we make them pay for that in the next election by throwing them out of office? For many of them them the answer to that is no.

Robbie

Tom, are you really forgetting the "intelligence" on Iraq's "WMD's" that led us to war a decade ago?

Nobody of consequence disputed that either. Other world leaders, Democrat and Republican Senators and Congressmen all were saying he had them and we needed to go to war, hell...Colin Powell made that big presentation to the U.N. (because back then we got world approval before attacking).

Ironically, one of the few who never agreed with going to war in Iraq was Barrack Obama. Funny how power changed his viewpoint.

I THINK Assad's govt. forces DID gas those people.
And I THOUGHT that Saddam Hussein was making a nuclear weapon as well.

And I'm smart enough not to make the same dumbass mistake twice. Too bad the Pres. is not.

You can't trust what these politicians are telling you.

I know that for some reason you seemed hell-bent on bombing and KILLING Syrians. So you're viewpoint is a little bit slanted that way.

But I for one...and most of the country and the world, are in no mood to start killing people based on U.S. "intelligence" again.

I'm glad this thing is working out another way.

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winter_

it should weird you out and or concern you more than me when he also says the weapons are a threat to the united states homeland, but it was only a little insert part of a larger associated press article about how much the american people don't want to see any of their military intervention in that country.

Antonio

Funny how the US completely ignores all the shit that the so called "rebels" have commited, anything from rapes to beheadings .... well, once the US has zeroed on an enemy, everything else is ignored

seeandsee

Only this time there is Russia near, so they will back it up

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You mean in the USA where RT broadcasts from? Yea, they sort of have freedom of the press there.