Great News: More People Have Lost Health Insurance Than Have Enrolled in Obamacare

[Grapesoda]

Here?s the devastating statistic you?ll see cited until the numbers change:

Over 500,000 individuals have seen their insurance policies cancelled in just 3 states. In all 50 states, only 476,000 applications have been ?filed? in an exchange.

In short, Obamacare has caused more people to lose their health insurance than gain it so far.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepa...acare-n1731987

how bizarre, I know my health ins is canceled

[slapass]

my understanding is no one can get it as it is not in effect yet. 1/1/14 is the date. 700k have made accounts so far.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by slapass

my understanding is no one can get it as it is not in effect yet. 1/1/14 is the date. 700k have made accounts so far.

say you spend millions and millions of dollars of 'a clients money' for 3 years on a website, and probably just as much in media for the roll out... and it doesn't work... you keep your job?

[blackmonsters]

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

say you spend millions and millions of dollars of 'a clients money' for 3 years on a website, and probably just as much in media for the roll out... and it doesn't work... you keep your job?

To think anyone can make a site that will be accessed millions of times a day without glitches in the beginning is just ignorant.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

To think anyone can make a site that will be accessed millions of times a day without glitches in the beginning is just ignorant.

yeah probably a stupid idea to run load test and shit, especially before spending millions on media for the launch, Spanish and English... and the Spanish site wasn't even launched (but at least millions were spent on ads) .... so would your keep your job? if this were your baby...?

[bronco67]

Why are you getting news from Town Hall.com? Not only do these "Patriot" sites not fact check, they lie quite a bit to fit their anti-everything agenda. Not saying it can't be true, but I wouldn't believe a fucking thing that site says because I wouldn't visit it in the first place.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

To think anyone can make a site that will be accessed millions of times a day without glitches in the beginning is just ignorant.

That's very true -- but there's more than just glitches with Healthcare.Gov. It sounds like someone did a lazy-ass, botch job on it and collected their fat government contract check. It'll be tough to get it going properly until they get someone in charge of it who knows actually knows their shit.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by bronco67

That's very true -- but there's more than just glitches with Healthcare.Gov. It sounds like someone did a lazy-ass, botch job on it and collected their fat government contract check. It'll be tough to get it going properly until they get someone in charge of it who knows actually knows their shit.

this is what I'm thinking... could happen with either party though.... the difference is the media has done a good job of covering up the Obama gaffs but this is just too big


BTW: I use google to get my news

[Barry-xlovecam]

Read all about that going on in California. One 30ish woman who is a contracted engineer who is paid $80K a year gets her health insurance cancelled because her $98/ mo policy does not meet the new mandated minimum coverage levels. The new policy offered her that is compliant with the new law is $238/mo. She CANNOT afford that on $80,000 a year?

Life is so tough ...

This really should be like auto insurance in this state -- if you post a cash bond of the minimum coverage required to operate a motor vehicle's insurance requirement for liability you don't have to buy insurance.

Make the cash bond vary with the persons age. 30-year-old = $60K CASH bond. I am just being illustrative as I know this is impracticable. But just how do these people with these limited payment policies intend to pay the any uncovered costs?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Read all about that going on in California. One 30ish woman who is a contracted engineer who is paid $80K a year gets her health insurance cancelled because her $98/ mo policy does not meet the new mandated minimum coverage levels. The new policy offered her that is compliant with the new law is $238/mo. She CANNOT afford that on $80,000 a year?

Life is so tough ...

Not sure where you live, but CA is expensive

This really should be like auto insurance in this state -- if you post a cash bond of the minimum coverage required to operate a motor vehicle's insurance requirement for liability you don't have to buy insurance.

Make the cash bond vary with the persons age. 30-year-old = $60K CASH bond. I am just being illustrative as I know this is impracticable. But just how do these people with these limited payment policies intend to pay the any uncovered costs?

Bullshit. And not everyone has to have a car.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by baddog

Bullshit. And not everyone has to have a car.

They have to buy public liability insurance here. I think the law is the same in California on mandatory motor vehicle insurance. In fact, I pay extra for uninsured motorist liability coverage in case I am in an accident with an uninsured motorist. 1 in 3 motorists are driving without insurance around here they say. And in fact, I pay $186 per insured vehicle a year into a catastrophic medical expense fund to pay medical expenses if I am involved with an auto accident -- my own limit in this fund is excess of $530,000 per claim my own health insurer pays up to that amount. That's the law in this state and the assessment is mandatory in any auto insurance policy you buy.

What is the alternative? Anarchy on the roads? It's heading that way here actually.

I could give a rats ass about the high living costs in California -- I lived there for 8 years (note the past tense). Anyway, if you make $80K a year and can't afford $285 for healthcare insurance too fucking bad.

8% of your income is the point of exemption, on $80K that is $6,400.00 a year or $533.34 a month -- Congress voted that a reasonable amount. Considering the taxation rate in countries with "universal healthcare" VAT 18% - 28%, income taxes personal and corporate -- their universal healthcare is hardly free to people and business earning any real money ... Why we should expect different is perplexing.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

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I could give a rats ass about the high living costs in California -- I lived there for 8 years (note the past tense). Anyway, if you make $80K a year and can't afford $285 for healthcare insurance too fucking bad.

I think this might be the issue: absolutely no compassion or care for other human beings what so ever

....unfortunately I find this to be the case with many Obama supporters, in fact I'll be paying the health ins for many Obama supports while my health insurance goes up 40%, not that you would ever care about me or my family :2 cents

[mromro]

It doesn't matter what you tell the Regressive they will never learn.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

I think this might be the issue: absolutely no compassion or care for other human beings what so ever

....unfortunately I find this to be the case with many Obama supporters, in fact I'll be paying the health ins for many Obama supports while my health insurance goes up 40%, not that you would ever care about me or my family :2 cents

If you are a single person making $80K a year and can't afford the cost of healthcare insurance you have a problem, that was her exact situation ...

If you cannot spend 8% of your net profit or w-2 income on healthcare you have a problem.

Then I really could care less ...

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

They have to buy public liability insurance here. I think the law is the same in California on mandatory motor vehicle insurance.

Keyword: Liability.... You must be insured to cover OTHER PEOPLE and their property, not yourself and yours. And that's IF you own a car. If you don't own a car you can choose to buy non-owners insurance if you wish but it's not a requirement of having a drivers license. So this argument doesn't compare at all.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepa...acare-n1731987

Sure sure, that's a reputable source.

I mean, any news site that has a link to "anti gun fails" must be 100% legit and unbiased.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

[INDENT]Read all about that going on in California. One 30ish woman who is a contracted engineer who is paid $80K a year gets her health insurance cancelled because her $98/ mo policy does not meet the new mandated minimum coverage levels. The new policy offered her that is compliant with the new law is $238/mo. She CANNOT afford that on $80,000 a year?

That's a lot cheaper than what I am paying right now.

[onwebcam]

Denying millions are going to be kicked off their current insurance is pretty ignorant since it's been said many times since the beginning of this all on pick your news source.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Keyword: Liability.... You must be insured to cover OTHER PEOPLE and their property, not yourself and yours. And that's IF you own a car. If you don't own a car you can choose to buy non-owners insurance if you wish but it's not a requirement of having a drivers license. So this argument doesn't compare at all.

Registering ( buying license tabs/plates) and operating your motor vehicle on a public road -- not a driver's license.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Registering ( buying license tabs/plates) and operating your motor vehicle on a public road -- not a driver's license.

You obviously need reading comprehension classes.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Registering ( buying license tabs/plates) and operating your motor vehicle on a public road -- not a driver's license.

You're still comparing a luxury (owning a car) with a necessity (living.) Find a better parallel.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

To think anyone can make a site that will be accessed millions of times a day without glitches in the beginning is just ignorant.

They should have had the Facebook or Google team build it.

[GAMEFINEST]

I haven't even seen it, ill have to enroll soon

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by Sly

You're still comparing a luxury (owning a car) with a necessity (living.) Find a better parallel.

An automobile is a necessity in life for me. Probably for most people. Maybe if you live in NYC or some other city with a subway and lots of taxis ... But if you are poor and unable to afford a car relying on buses in metro-areas or some other access to transportation like; friends, family, etc. ... However, if you fall into that class there is free Medicaid or heavily subsidised healthcare now available to you if your income is less than 4 times the poverty level.

These subsidies are paid for by the "obamacare fairy?" No, more younger healthier people in the pool, maybe some rate increases, maybe some tax increase -- hopefully an increase in efficiency and a reduction of excess overall healthcare costs paid to the providers. (Doctors, Clinics and Hospitals (Don't forget big pharma and medical device and supply companies)).

Obamacare is a ponzi scam much in the same way as Medicare and Social Security is. Medicare and Social Security is a cornerstone of social policy in this country and in time universal healthcare will be too.

So, who among you will not accept some of your Social Security retirement benefits if you don't really need them? -- you might (or should) be able to take a tax credit for that -- where is your compassion for the less fortunate ... Don't hold you breath it ain't ever going to happen that way.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Sure sure, that's a reputable source.

I mean, any news site that has a link to "anti gun fails" must be 100% legit and unbiased.

so I shouldn't believe anything I read in the new York times because it's a liberal new paper?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

If you are a single person making $80K a year and can't afford the cost of healthcare insurance you have a problem, that was her exact situation ...

If you cannot spend 8% of your net profit or w-2 income on healthcare you have a problem.

Then I really could care less ...

after taxes 80K is more like 45K.... rent, car payments, gas, car ins, food, a bit of entertainment, wardrobe etc... 45K doesn't really go that far

[Barry-xlovecam]

I have spent over $23,000.00 on health care costs over the past twenty-seven months. Sorry, no sympathy here.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I have spent over $23,000.00 on health care costs over the past twenty-seven months. Sorry, no sympathy here.

seems like that's your issue, according to you, that is

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

so I shouldn't believe anything I read in the new York times because it's a liberal new paper?

That is not the NY Times - It's townhall.com.

And you should never trust or quote any website that claims "The President is ramming a law down our throats".

Grow up already. You used a heavily biased website as a source that had no real facts in it at all.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

[INDENT]An automobile is a necessity in life for me. Probably for most people.

I fail to see how I could live without a car, but that doesn't mean it is a necessity for anyone. If you did not have a car, you would have to modify your life so you would live without it - such as moving to a larger city with more public transportation.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Well, that is for one persons costs. And yes, that is my personal issue and I wouldn't wish on anyone these sort of expenses but there are a lot of people paying crazy amounts like this and more.

And I don't need anyone's sympathy or pity, I can afford the expenses -- you can't make any money if you are dead -- this is the way I look at this.

When someone is bitching about some relatively minor amount that keeps them from making a payment on a newer car or something -- like the example of the 30ish woman making $80K a year and squawking about having to pay more ($160/a month) to upgrade her limited healthcare insurance to the minimum standards required by law now -- I could give a flying fuck.

I would react differently if she was a single mother of 2 making $22K a year working her ass off to get by.

Truth is the top 10% can afford this added burden of the new ACA (Obamacare) legislation and I hope you are one of them too, and if you are not, I guess some of us will get stuck with the costs of your subsidy -- I can deal with that. The costs of sickness that can be avoided are a giant drag on the economy and as big of a waste as some of these mindless wars we have -- in the end we should all benefit.

I am going to spend $60K to $100K over the next 7 years until I will get Medicare, I am an old fuck -- then the Medicare supplemental insurances and copays may cost me $thousands per year until I am dead -- I can deal with that.

But I am still in favor of the concept of universal health care because if I could have afforded reasonable health insurance from when I was 25-years-old (I struggled too -- what I have I have made myself) maybe today I would not have so many medical issues -- fuck the money.

For reason of this Obamacare law I could get insurance with a pre-existing condition because of a federally funded program from the feds to the state. My contribution was just $652.00 a month for one person and I was more than happy to pay that then end up dead.

Man up and quit your bitching ... I am glad of your health and your family's I would wish it to continue to be so.

[KillerK]

Barry, you should just quit while you are ahead.

Maybe you should try living in California, and not some shithole like Rocklin or Fresno.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by KillerK

Barry, you should just quit while you are ahead.

Maybe you should try living in California, and not some shithole like Rocklin or Fresno.

click ...

[baddog]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

You obviously need reading comprehension classes.

No shit; I am not sure why I thought he was a little smarter than this.

My bad.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I have spent over $23,000.00 on health care costs over the past twenty-seven months. Sorry, no sympathy here.

And that is our problem how?