Originally Posted by Markul

I see that AK's work has derailed into attacking advertisement companies instead of spending time on the actual file lockers as was "agreed" with his campaign.

Originally Posted by AdultKing

So what you're saying is "We'll terminate the publisher, not pay them, but continue to make money from the ad clicks"

Ad zones need to be disabled. There's no way around that. You need to send a message, as a deterrent to others, the only way to do that is draw a line in the sand and disable the ads.

I know you have 35 million reasons to keep your business growing, however our constituency, our represented rights holders, will not stand by and watch Plugrush monetize the piracy of their content.

It's up to you what you want to do. We have replied to Russell saying the same thing.

Originally Posted by nextri

That is right. We will disable the account, so there is no incentive for the publisher to have our adzones on our their site. If they are up to date, and pays attention, they will remove our adzones. But often it takes some time.
However, we do not benefit from it. After we disable the account, the ads keep showing, but we stop charging for the clicks, and we stop tracking it. We pass the traffic through without charging the advertiser for it, and without getting paid for it. The only part benefiting from it is the advertiser with a product to sell which will get free traffic, and this industry as a whole, because we are leading people away from piracy sites, and towards things that cost money. Thereby contributing to the adult industry generating more revenue, which come to think of it is as far as I know your objective too? Are we not on the same page and have the same goal here? Get people to pay for porn?

Enough with your demands and bullshit reasons for going after us. We're not hurting the industry, we are doing it a service. You're hurting it by getting tons of business people who could spend their time doing something productive to get the indutry to to grow, but must rather deal with your insignificant whichhunt and pointless crusade with a tactic that will never ever work..

Please, enough now...

Does anyone agree with me? Or is AdultKing doing us all a favor here?

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Killing off file lockers involves removing all forms of monetization from the eco-system.

What's the point in taking payment processing away if advertising revenue remains ?

Originally Posted by nextri

That is right. We will disable the account, so there is no incentive for the publisher to have our adzones on our their site. If they are up to date, and pays attention, they will remove our adzones. But often it takes some time.
However, we do not benefit from it. After we disable the account, the ads keep showing, but we stop charging for the clicks, and we stop tracking it. We pass the traffic through without charging the advertiser for it, and without getting paid for it. The only part benefiting from it is the advertiser with a product to sell which will get free traffic, and this industry as a whole, because we are leading people away from piracy sites, and towards things that cost money. Thereby contributing to the adult industry generating more revenue, which come to think of it is as far as I know your objective too? Are we not on the same page and have the same goal here? Get people to pay for porn?

Enough with your demands and bullshit reasons for going after us. We're not hurting the industry, we are doing it a service. You're hurting it by getting tons of business people who could spend their time doing something productive to get the indutry to to grow, but must rather deal with your insignificant whichhunt and pointless crusade with a tactic that will never ever work..

Please, enough now...

Does anyone agree with me? Or is AdultKing doing us all a favor here?

Originally Posted by nextri

That is right. We will disable the account, so there is no incentive for the publisher to have our adzones on our their site. If they are up to date, and pays attention, they will remove our adzones. But often it takes some time.
However, we do not benefit from it. After we disable the account, the ads keep showing, but we stop charging for the clicks, and we stop tracking it. We pass the traffic through without charging the advertiser for it, and without getting paid for it. The only part benefiting from it is the advertiser with a product to sell which will get free traffic, and this industry as a whole, because we are leading people away from piracy sites, and towards things that cost money. Thereby contributing to the adult industry generating more revenue, which come to think of it is as far as I know your objective too? Are we not on the same page and have the same goal here? Get people to pay for porn?

Enough with your demands and bullshit reasons for going after us. We're not hurting the industry, we are doing it a service. You're hurting it by getting tons of business people who could spend their time doing something productive to get the indutry to to grow, but must rather deal with your insignificant whichhunt and pointless crusade with a tactic that will never ever work..

Please, enough now...

Does anyone agree with me? Or is AdultKing doing us all a favor here?

Originally Posted by AdultKing

So what you're saying is "We'll terminate the publisher, not pay them, but continue to make money from the ad clicks"

Ad zones need to be disabled. There's no way around that. You need to send a message, as a deterrent to others, the only way to do that is draw a line in the sand and disable the ads.

I know you have 35 million reasons to keep your business growing, however our constituency, our represented rights holders, will not stand by and watch Plugrush monetize the piracy of their content.

It's up to you what you want to do. We have replied to Russell saying the same thing.

Originally Posted by fengwu83

Why disable the adzones? The ads dont lead to pirated websites do they?

Originally Posted by fengwu83

Why disable the adzones? The ads dont lead to pirated websites do they?

Originally Posted by JOKER

Thomas, Jørgen, Russel & Plugrush:

It is very simple. You are either part of the problem or you are part of the solution, the choice really is up to you.

I don't think we're asking too much when we are doing the hard work for your in finding the piracy and pointing it out to you as agreed per email and in return ask for a timely manner to kill the accounts and of course stop displaying the ads. This does two things: It shows us that the account has indeed been terminated and it shows that you have zero interest to support piracy by monetizing it and making a profit from it.

Any other way only suggests that you seem to enjoy to profit from piracy, there is simply no way around it.

Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and we're right.

To anyone that disagrees that profiting from piracy is wrong and a problem - we're sorry that you feel that way but are glad that you're showing your true colors.

Originally Posted by nextri

Your argument for why you want the adzones disabled though, is not good enough. Please explain why what we're doing is wrong? Should we encourage people to stay at sites with pirated content? Or help them get the hell out of there as soon as possible and towards content that costs?

Originally Posted by JOKER

Thomas, Jørgen, Russel & Plugrush:

It is very simple. You are either part of the problem or you are part of the solution, the choice really is up to you.

I don't think we're asking too much when we are doing the hard work for your in finding the piracy and pointing it out to you as agreed per email and in return ask for a timely manner to kill the accounts and of course stop displaying the ads. This does two things: It shows us that the account has indeed been terminated and it shows that you have zero interest to support piracy by monetizing it and making a profit from it.

Any other way only suggests that you seem to enjoy to profit from piracy, there is simply no way around it.

Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and we're right.

To anyone that disagrees that profiting from piracy is wrong and a problem - we're sorry that you feel that way but are glad that you're showing your true colors.

Originally Posted by nextri

How exactly are we benefiting from piracy when we do not charge for the traffic after banning the account? I've said multiple times that I am against profiting from piracy. What is exactly our true colors? We disagree on how to best deal with it, that's ok. but saying we are some how part of the problem is completely bullshit, and you know it. We both want the same things, and we are willing to work with you. Please do it through or ticket system though, because we can the assign the task to the correct people in our company.
Your argument for why you want the adzones disabled though, is not good enough. Please explain why what we're doing is wrong? Should we encourage people to stay at sites with pirated content? Or help them get the hell out of there as soon as possible and towards content that costs?

Originally Posted by Plugrush

We will more than happily ban the domains, but we will keep the adzones up. Maybe you didn't read Thomas' reply about advertisers not being charged?

To me, the thing is this, you guys just want to be able to say "We got this site shut-down, see their plugrush adzones got removed, we are successful" instead of believing us that the website was banned. Bottom line is that we will not remove the ad-zone just so you can "believe" us. We are an EXTREMELY legitimate company and have been for MANY years, if our word isn't good enough then maybe we can't do business together.

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Pirates often copy what other pirates do.

If one pirate sees Plugrush being used on a piracy site then others will follow.

The more piracy sites you disable the less piracy sites you will attract.

You've already admitted you don't know how much piracy there is on your network, so in that case wouldn't it be prudent to send a clear message to the pirates that they are not welcome ?

As far as ticket systems go, we will email abuse@ or you can nominate another special email address for our reports. We do not have the manpower to manually fill out forms. All of our abuse reports are generated from the system which receives DMCA notices from rights holders.

Originally Posted by nextri

We do not have enough manpower to read all our email, so if you want to get things done, use our ticket system.

Originally Posted by JOKER

I have one question...

So far every ticket system worth it's salt that I've used can monitor an inbox, be it pop3 or other.

How about you set up a special email that creates a ticket in your system and this problem is instantly solved. Then you get it your way and we also get it our way, it's a win-win!

Just an idea

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Nextri, if you send us a list of all your domains, we'll go through them and tell you which are being used in association with piracy sites.

I was going to order a crawl to locate them all anyway, but you'd certainly make the job a lot easier and cheaper if you provided us with a list.

Perhaps if we determine there is a significant issue then we might be able to work out some common ground.

Originally Posted by Plugrush

How about instead of emailing us, you just create a ticket, you are extremely hard to work with so far, it's not that hard to just sign into plugrush and create a support ticket man...Geeze c'mon, we are trying to work with you guys, but you keep coming up with ridiculous ideas.

Originally Posted by Plugrush

How about instead of emailing us, you just create a ticket, you are extremely hard to work with so far, it's not that hard to just sign into plugrush and create a support ticket man...Geeze c'mon, we are trying to work with you guys, but you keep coming up with ridiculous ideas.

Originally Posted by JOKER

How is the idea ridiculous? It literally takes not more than 5 maximum 10 minutes if you drink a coffee doing it, to create an email-address / inbox and enable in it the options of your ticket system...

Just trying to make it easy for you.

Originally Posted by nextri

I can send you a list of all the domain in our system so you can go through them if you want..

Originally Posted by Mediamix

Yeah! That's a great way to build a trusted relationship with your costumers!

I think AdultKing is really starting a fight with the wrong people.

This is a sad day in the whole "Stop Filelockers" campaign.

Originally Posted by Markul

I see that AK's work has derailed into attacking advertisement companies instead of spending time on the actual file lockers as was "agreed" with his campaign.

That's not something I want to support anymore and have now terminated my measly Paypal subscription. I strongly advise everyone else to do the same thing right away.

Ignorant as I am, I thought he was doing something good - then I come and see this shit

Originally Posted by nextri

Hi AdultKing. Thx for again trying to make us out to be the bad guy and starting shit in public and accusing us of all kinds of unwarranted bullshit. You do love to create drama whenever you can.

A couple of things..

I have absolutely zero interest or need to explain our business to some random person who is not a client of ours as either a publisher or an advertiser. Once we have business to do together, I can spend more of my energy on your noise. However, I will respond here since there are other people reading it as well.

A couple of things..

First of all, PlugRush does not support piracy, and we will always assist anyone who finds something to report, and we will close down the accounts of people who clearly has a sole purpose of spreading piracy or malware. Our email is unfortunately a bit flooded these days, so the one email you sent back in may, has slipped through the cracks. The best way to get a response, or really the only way you can get a guaranteed response, is by having an account at plugrush.com and creating a support ticket. Please from now on, do that. You do not have to post them here in this thread, I will not go through them here. This is not a public plugrush support board. We have ways of doing support that works a lot better, that all others seems to be able to use.

Secondly, Plugrush now has 68040 registered domains. We do not manually approve new sites, because there really is no point. Even if we approve each site individually, we can't know from what page on each domain they are sending traffic. There is absolutely no possible way for us to pre-approve each source of traffic. Even if we do approve their homepage, and it seems clean, we can not know if that will change or if they create subpages with pirated content. And even if content seem like pirated content, it may very well be licensed.
I'm sure there are legit companies that tried to spread their content on file lockers as a marketing strategy.
You release some content on pirate sites to get people to see it and want more, then get free traffic to your main site. I'm sure that can work, and that people are doing it.
How are we suppose to know these things, what is licensed and what is not?
There are of course clear cases where there is no doubt, and I assume there are a lot of sites like that in our system. The only thing we can do is act when we get reports about it.

But to be honest, it's not really a priority for us to actively go through our 68k sites and look for things like this. That is not our job, and would only be a huge cost for us, which in return would make us less competitive as a network, because of the extra costs involved. We prefer to focus on getting people to pay for porn, and not spend our time on something that will accomplish exactly nothing, and will cost a ton of money, and also will not do anything towards getting people to stop pirating content.

It is apparently your job to do so, and you get paid to do it, and even though all the sites you find have close to no traffic at all, we are willing to spend our time going through your reports and deactivating sites that are clearly just made to promote pirated content. But, we need you to create support tickets about it, and I will see to it that it gets followed up.

We will not disable the adzones, and make them not display ads, but we will disable the publisher account so they stop making money. That is what your objective is, and it's a win win win for all of us. It's important that we do filter the traffic away from piracy sites, and towards our advertisers pages where they can pay for legit content.

PlugRush is a network that is actually a part of making this industry grow and generate revenue. We are a big contributor to people pulling up their credit cards, and actually spend money on porn. How I see it, it would be a good thing if all sites with piracy on them had ads for products that people can actually pay for, because it's important to lead people away from the free stuff, and towards what you have to pay for. And that is the whole concept of what we as an ad network are doing. We get people to pay for things. None of our advertisers would want to buy traffic from us if it weren't generating any revenue. So wherever our ads are shown, they are contributing to people pulling up their credit card, rather than downloading the content for free.

Anyone who is saying this business is declining is fooling themselves, and are probably spending their time and energy on wrong things, like suing pirates, or going after micro spam blogs using filelockers to spread vids to nerds for free, instead of going after the tubesites that probably has 90% of the adult traffic on the entire internet.
There is a ton of revenue to be collected in this business, and people are spending more money online then they have ever done in the history of the world.

Whatever it is your trying to accomplish, I have my doubts about it having any results at all. It's about as effective as trying to sue people for downloading content. It's not gonna do a god damn thing towards changing people attitued towards pirated porn. And you have this idea that going after filelockers is somehow gonna help, when it is the tubes that are really getting all the traffic.
Trying to fix a problem like piracy is not going to be solved by going after those spreading piracy. Other industries has shown that the only thing that will work, is making better products, evolving, keeping up with technology, and being innovative.

The music and movie/tv industry are starting to figure it out, with services like spotify, netflix, hulu, etc. Services that actually are getting people to stop pirating music and movies. 10 years ago everyone I knew downloaded pirated music. Record companies tried to stop it by closing down napster and making it harder to find online, suing users, making fake torrent, but it didn't help at all. What helped and resulted in me now not knowing anyone who really pirates music, is technology, innovation and brilliant people creating new things that people are willing to pay for. Like spotify, wimp, pandora and tons of other music services.

The adult industry could learn a couple of things from that.

Originally Posted by Rik Lear

[this thread pushed me to start my 1st post]

I must admit, after reading this thread and all of the drama and dissing, that your response was quite impressive. I'm back from a 4-year long illness and noticed that the industry had changed quite a lot in the last few years I've been gone, but your post was a real touche` moment and very well written and very true above all. In fact, I *had* to post this comment because of your reply. I was raised in the TV & music industry, and your facts & comparison(s) are right on as well.

Great response & a great comeback - my view of PR is changed

Originally Posted by Mediamix

Yeah! That's a great way to build a trusted relationship with your costumers!

I think AdultKing is really starting a fight with the wrong people.

This is a sad day in the whole "Stop Filelockers" campaign.

Originally Posted by JOKER

Thomas, Jørgen, Russel & Plugrush:

It is very simple. You are either part of the problem or you are part of the solution, the choice really is up to you.

I don't think we're asking too much when we are doing the hard work for your in finding the piracy and pointing it out to you as agreed per email and in return ask for a timely manner to kill the accounts and of course stop displaying the ads. This does two things: It shows us that the account has indeed been terminated and it shows that you have zero interest to support piracy by monetizing it and making a profit from it.

Any other way only suggests that you seem to enjoy to profit from piracy, there is simply no way around it.

Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and we're right.

To anyone that disagrees that profiting from piracy is wrong and a problem - we're sorry that you feel that way but are glad that you're showing your true colors.

Originally Posted by AdultKing

We don't need the list, we can just crawl ourselves as we have already got extensive crawling capability.

The only advantage to Nextri providing a list is that we can singularly check each site then report back to him which ones a problematic in one report rather than weeks of sending him small batches of sites which will only add to his workload and ours.

If a website has Plugrush on it and is live then we can find it.

Originally Posted by Harmon

Seriously? As admirable with what AK is trying to do why should people bend over backwards to his demands?

Dude, do your due diligence and stop calling people out for something that they may have to internally investigate like you know EVERYTHING that is going on over there. Demanding somebody over there send you sensitive information? Why, because you said it in public on GFY?

Either do it right or don't do it at all.

Again, I'm 1000% behind your efforts, but when you make it look amateur? It looks more like bullying/name smearing rather than trying to get things resolved.

If that's the way they do business there? Comply. Report back as to your findings. Creating dialogue across the boards juts does nothing but ruin your own credibility.

Last time I checked, the cops don't argue with me online before they accuse me of a crime. They just show up and follow due process.

Do that, asshat.

EDIT: And for the record? Plugrush has been extremely solid with everything that they have to offer an affiliate. I have never waited more than 24 hours for a payment and their back end is transparent. When you deal with literally thousands of affiliates, some crap is bound to seep through. Don't ruin a great thing.

Originally Posted by Mediamix

And this is why I love Harmon and would never mind to drop the soap in front of him!

Originally Posted by Paully

STFU Harmon. If they answered their emails it wouldn't be on this board. Stick to funny gifs.

Originally Posted by Paully

Put up a funny picture. We are kind of busy but go ahead.

Originally Posted by Harmon

Dude, do your due diligence and stop calling people out for something that they may have to internally investigate like you know EVERYTHING that is going on over there. Demanding somebody over there send you sensitive information? Why, because you said it in public on GFY?

Originally Posted by Paully

Good work. Now you can call it a day champ and get yourself a snack.

Originally Posted by AdultKing

If Plugrush had their house in order, if Plugrush responded to abuse reports then there would be no need for a thread.

The fact is there are a lot of pirate blogs, forums and direct download sites with Plugrush ads on them, way too many.

Every time a pirate sees another pirate using Plugrush they have the concept that Plugrush is a pirate friendly network reinforced and will copy that behaviour.

Plugrush harboured support on WJunction, a known pirate webmaster hangout. They might as well have advertised on BHW.

Responsible ad networks don't leave ads running for terminated publishers. No responsible ad network should want to even be associated with the idea that they support piracy, however leaving ads running on pirate sites does just that.

We have given Plugrush a chance to distance itself from piracy. It now remains to be seen what happens and what they do.

Originally Posted by AdultKing

If Plugrush had their house in order, if Plugrush responded to abuse reports then there would be no need for a thread.

The fact is there are a lot of pirate blogs, forums and direct download sites with Plugrush ads on them, way too many.

Every time a pirate sees another pirate using Plugrush they have the concept that Plugrush is a pirate friendly network reinforced and will copy that behaviour.

Plugrush harboured support on WJunction, a known pirate webmaster hangout. They might as well have advertised on BHW.

Responsible ad networks don't leave ads running for terminated publishers. No responsible ad network should want to even be associated with the idea that they support piracy, however leaving ads running on pirate sites does just that.

We have given Plugrush a chance to distance itself from piracy. It now remains to be seen what happens and what they do.

Originally Posted by Plugrush

After discussing things with Thomas, we decided not to release our website list to you because this is not something we want to do, releasing publishers information.

Originally Posted by Plugrush

There is no reason for either of us to continue posting in this thread, I believe everything is settled for the time being. If you want to continue posting, feel free to do so, but it will just be a waste of time that you could be using to be making the list of websites that we need to go over.

Originally Posted by AdultKing

We'll be crawling and reporting via your abuse@ email address.

Until you agree to de-activate infringing publisher ad zones the matter is not settled and we'll keep this thread updated until your network becomes compliant.

Every time a pirate sees one of his buddies using Plugrush they will jump on the bandwagon and you will never be rid of the problem.

The only way to distance yourself from piracy is to outright reject it, the only plausible reason to keep ads running on pirate sites is to gain some benefit from doing so. I am guessing that the real reason is because you know there is a lot of traffic involved if you cut them all off.

You have our email address, you're welcome to come back to the table and discuss the matter at any time.

Originally Posted by Plugrush

Please check your email and respond to me there, thanks.

Originally Posted by Fat Panda

oh but of course plugrush wants to take this private...

Originally Posted by AdultKing

We'll be crawling and reporting via your abuse@ email address.

Until you agree to de-activate infringing publisher ad zones the matter is not settled and we'll keep this thread updated until your network becomes compliant.

Every time a pirate sees one of his buddies using Plugrush they will jump on the bandwagon and you will never be rid of the problem.

The only way to distance yourself from piracy is to outright reject it, the only plausible reason to keep ads running on pirate sites is to gain some benefit from doing so. I am guessing that the real reason is because you know there is a lot of traffic involved if you cut them all off.

You have our email address, you're welcome to come back to the table and discuss the matter at any time.

Originally Posted by JOKER

I have one question...

So far every ticket system worth it's salt that I've used can monitor an inbox, be it pop3 or other.

How about you set up a special email that creates a ticket in your system and this problem is instantly solved. Then you get it your way and we also get it our way, it's a win-win!

Just an idea