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tony286 · 11-23-2013, 12:39 PM

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So the fact that the appointed head of the IRS took the fifth when asked about the targeting of conservative groups is ok with you?

The Regulatory Czar ? Cass Sunstein
Thinks hunting should be banned

Climate Czar ? Todd Stern
Stern behind the Cap and Trade proposal which, even an analysis by Obama?s own Treasury Department concluded, would cost American taxpayers up to $200 billion dollars?just what we need for today?s economy!

Science Czar ? John Holdren
In his book, Holdren advocates ?laws requiring compulsory abortion,? government confiscation of new born babies, the ?development of a long-term sterilizing capsule that could be implanted under the skin,?

Chief Diversity Officer, Federal Communications Commission ? Mark Lloyd
?It should be clear by now that my focus here is not freedom of speech or the press.
This freedom is all too often an exaggeration. At the very least, blind references
to freedom of speech or the press serve as a distraction from the critical examination
of other communications policies. ?[T]he purpose of free speech is warped to protect
global corporations and block rules that would promote democratic governance.?

Secretary, Department of Education ? Arne Duncan
Obama appointed Duncan due to his alleged success as CEO of Chicago?s public schools. However, in 2007, only 10% of black 4thgraders in Chicago reached the proficiency level in reading and for black 8th graders, only 9% reached reading proficiency. In math, only 8% of black students reached proficiency in 4th grade and just 6% reached proficiency in 8th grade. This was the disappointing outcome, despite spending $13-$14,000 per student and is among the highest of any major city.Even worse, a majority of Chicago public school students drop out or fail to graduate with their class.

there's more if you want

Do u just blindly believe any site that says Obama sucks lol

tony286 · 11-23-2013, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Axeman

I'm sorry, but I don't read anything on salon.com, the same as I won't read anything on csnews.com or wmd. Utter drivel written by complete ideologues of both sides.

The courts are going to get very activist with this rule change. They will now that Obama is President, and they will just as much to the right when a Conservative is President. You "might" see less extreme nominations from more centrist nominees such as Hillary Clinton, Chris Christie or Scott Walker. If you get nominees like Elizabeth Warren or Ted Cruz, then the nominees are going to very extreme.

Ultimately this rule change is a slippery slope to undoing it for all filibusters, such as for legislation and the Supreme Court. And if the rule gets changed for legislation, then its just going to be a see-saw of massive changes in direction of laws with each Presidential election.

The Senate was created to be the body that moves very slow, and acted with more thought and deliberation than that of the house. I'm worried that is no longer the case, and we will see a lot more reactionary laws put into and out of place with each election. Especially when you are seeing the death of the moderate Senators on both sides. The gap from the center is getting greater with each election.

And in May, at Millett?s urging, the Second Circuit upheld Starbucks Corp.'s right to prohibit employees from wearing more than one pro-union button at a time, overturning a National Labor Relations Board ruling that the company had committed unfair labor practices.

The Second Circuit found that Starbucks' decision to prohibit multiple pro-union buttons was not an unfair labor practice and defended its decision to fire a pro-union employee with lackluster performance reviews.http://www.law360.com/articles/398906/appellate-mvp-akin-gump-s-patricia-a-millett. This was an awarded barista.
Again u won't read it not because it drivel it's ithat t doesn't fit with your Obama is an extreme liberal picture. His nominee is a union buster not very liberal.

tony286 · 11-23-2013, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

Ok Robbie...in the history of the United states, 168 presidential nominees for various positions in the government have been blocked.

Up until Obama, 86 have been blocked. So that's 82 under Obama. If you think that's just bad leadership, then you're bullshitting yourself and everyone else. Anyone who's half a dipshit could see there's an axe to grind on the Republican side.

This bad leadership thing you talk about is such an abstract concept anyway. There's a lot of people who would say the opposite. Hating Obama -- which you're entitled to -- is no reason to discount logic.

Can you say that the 86 vs 82 is a statistic that doesn't blow your mind? Were talking about 220 years vs 5 years.

Facts don't matter your wasting your breath.

Robbie · 11-23-2013, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

Facts don't matter your wasting your breath.

What? Insulting me again Tony? What the hell man?

Facts are all that matters. If you took the time to read my last post. But you didn't. Instead you personally insult me again by insinuating that I'm stupid because "facts don't matter"?

I don't get it. Maybe GFY is starting to get to you or something.

Axeman · 11-23-2013, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

Again u won't read it not because it drivel it's ithat t doesn't fit with your Obama is an extreme liberal picture. His nominee is a union buster not very liberal.

I don't think Obama is an extreme liberal. Just more liberal than I like. I get it though, as a socialist, Obama is not very liberal to you. Fair enough.

But yes I won't read Salon as it is "extreme" liberal. Just as CSNews and WND are way to right wing to be taken to serious.

DVTimes · 11-23-2013, 01:27 PM

very cool

crockett · 11-23-2013, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

No, just like the Dems welcomed George W. with "open arms" Remember?

He "Stole the election from Gore" (which he did). The Democrats hated his fucking guts.
But W. is a leader (I don't agree at all with what he led us to). And in short order he was meeting with opposition leaders and working WITH them.

That is my point. Obama never has. It's his way or the highway. And it's failing.

It doesn't matter if the Republicans hated him at the start. That's the way it is with every President and opposing party. They all give lip service to "working together"

But then it is the PRESIDENT who has to make that happen. That's his job as executive.
He is simply a failure at bringing the moderate Republicans to his side. And we have gridlock.

Honestly I just don't get what you expect out of Obama. You constantly claim he doesn't lead or work with Republicans.. Yet show me one thing that Republicans have supported in which they didn't throw tantrums.. It's been non stop.

Meanwhile I get it, Obama is not perfect, and you have buyers remorse for voting for him, but it's like you expect him to have a conversation with a brick wall and get the brick wall to talk back.

Meanwhile the economy was shit when Obama came to office.. It's much better now.
We had two wars going on when he came to office. We are now out of Iraq, we got Bin Ladden under Obamas go order and we are winding down Afghan,
We avoided a war with Syria something the right was pushing hard for... Not to mention they have dismantled their chem weapons production,
We are also actually getting somewhere with Iran,.

There are lots of things Obama has been able to do even with the right trying to stop him non stop, but no matter what, nothing is ever good enough and you always have some complaint to say it's his fault.. Do you notice a tend with most of the things list above? It's all things that Republicans couldn't block aside from the economy and they have done everything possible to drag their feet with that.

Minte · 11-23-2013, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Honestly I just don't get what you expect out of Obama. You constantly claim he doesn't lead or work with Republicans.. Yet show me one thing that Republicans have supported in which they didn't throw tantrums.. It's been non stop.

Meanwhile I get it, Obama is not perfect, and you have buyers remorse for voting for him, but it's like you expect him to have a conversation with a brick wall and get the brick wall to talk back.

Meanwhile the economy was shit when Obama came to office.. It's much better now.
We had two wars going on when he came to office. We are now out of Iraq, we got Bin Ladden under Obamas go order and we are winding down Afghan,
We avoided a war with Syria something the right was pushing hard for... Not to mention they have dismantled their chem weapons production,
We are also actually getting somewhere with Iran,.

There are lots of things Obama has been able to do even with the right trying to stop him non stop, but no matter what, nothing is ever good enough and you always have some complaint to say it's his fault.. Do you notice a tend with most of the things list above? It's all things that Republicans couldn't block aside from the economy and they have done everything possible to drag their feet with that.

Yea we get it..you think Obama is the best thing since sliced bread.
The other 50% of the US..and unfortunately for Obama..the 50% that's expected to pay for all the wonderful things he wants to do can't wait for his term to end. And at the end we hope that his one crowning achievement was to let seal team 6 shoot bin laden.

Robbie · 11-23-2013, 03:39 PM

crockett, I must not be communicating this correctly. I'll try one more time:

Gingrich said that Clinton talked to him almost daily on the phone and in person once a week. Reagan met with Tip O'Neill constantly. Bush reached out to the Dems and even signed and got Republicans to support VERY liberal spending measures (such as the prescription drug bill)

Obama has NEVER done those things. Even in the middle of the Govt. shutdown it was reported that he did not even pick up the phone and talk to the Republicans at all.

His JOB as the Executive branch of the govt. is to bring all factions together to get things done.
Instead of actually trying to do that, he ignores them. Not even a phone call.
The only time there is a face-to-face is when he makes a big press release out of it and has them come to a big meeting at the Whitehouse.

And the last time he did that? The Republicans came out and said the FIRST thing he told them was that he would NOT negotiate.

He's a failure at leadership. It's 100% on him if he doesn't even try to reach out.

If you've ever run a company and had partners in your company then you know that what I am saying is true.

Obama never ran anything until he became President. He's just not a leader and his Presidency reflects it and history will judge HIM.

The history books won't say: "Those evil Republicans wouldn't play nice"

It will say that Obama was weak and ineffectual. That's how history sees things. Obama is THE PRESIDENT. This is his legacy.

Of course the opposition party is more than happy to let him go down the road he has chosen since day one.
They can now say "no" to everything and he has given them the perfect excuse.

BFT3K · 11-23-2013, 05:08 PM

Just two random questions in the middle of all of this...

1) Who do you think will be elected POTUS in 2016?

2) Do you think it will be Obama, or the next president, that drags us into an unnecessary war with Iran?

bronco67 · 11-23-2013, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I think this is a move that the democrats will regret, I also believe that this will affect the numbers with the up coming elections to the disadvantage of the democrats, but we will see

I'm sure trying to fix things so a group of obstructionists could be stopped vs ALL OF THE FUCKED UP SHIT REPUBLICANS DO ON A DAILY BASIS will be a real contest. Do you really think anyone will look at this nuclear option as a bad thing -- unless you like the shitty things GOP is doing. When you watch FOX news, you don't really have a sense for the things they do.

crockett · 11-23-2013, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

crockett, I must not be communicating this correctly. I'll try one more time:

Gingrich said that Clinton talked to him almost daily on the phone and in person once a week. Reagan met with Tip O'Neill constantly. Bush reached out to the Dems and even signed and got Republicans to support VERY liberal spending measures (such as the prescription drug bill)

Obama has NEVER done those things. Even in the middle of the Govt. shutdown it was reported that he did not even pick up the phone and talk to the Republicans at all.

His JOB as the Executive branch of the govt. is to bring all factions together to get things done.
Instead of actually trying to do that, he ignores them. Not even a phone call.
The only time there is a face-to-face is when he makes a big press release out of it and has them come to a big meeting at the Whitehouse.

And the last time he did that? The Republicans came out and said the FIRST thing he told them was that he would NOT negotiate.

He's a failure at leadership. It's 100% on him if he doesn't even try to reach out.

If you've ever run a company and had partners in your company then you know that what I am saying is true.

Obama never ran anything until he became President. He's just not a leader and his Presidency reflects it and history will judge HIM.

The history books won't say: "Those evil Republicans wouldn't play nice"

It will say that Obama was weak and ineffectual. That's how history sees things. Obama is THE PRESIDENT. This is his legacy.

Of course the opposition party is more than happy to let him go down the road he has chosen since day one.
They can now say "no" to everything and he has given them the perfect excuse.

Robbie you sure wear some rosey colored glassed when you explain how things happened..

When Clinton took office the Republicans tried to nail him on this or that the entire time he was in office.. It was land deals, claiming he had people killed, Non stop wasting of millions of tax payer rollers trying to impeach Clinton. They also shut the govt down because they could agree on a budget.. Ho hum sounds pretty much the same play book used against Obama but they have gone to extremes Clinton never faced.

When Bush was in office you seem to once again have rosey colored glasses.. Do you not remember "I'm the decider" or " your'e either with us or against us"... Bush was just as bad as you claim Obama is, the difference is democrats still worked with him because "keyword here" democrats are not obstructionists.

Democrats didn't try to block every last little thing Bush tried to do, not because Bush was a effective leader, but because they weren't a bunch of self serving dickheads that care more about party politics than the country.

You still excuse away everything the republicans do, while critiquing Obama for everything he does. I mean seriously you are getting just as bad as Vendizlla.. Is there anything at all that Obama has done right in your eyes?

Minte · 11-23-2013, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Is there anything at all that Obama has done right in your eyes?

He quit smoking, and I hear his short game has improved dramatically. Playing pretty much bogey golf now.

tony286 · 11-23-2013, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

What? Insulting me again Tony? What the hell man?

Facts are all that matters. If you took the time to read my last post. But you didn't. Instead you personally insult me again by insinuating that I'm stupid because "facts don't matter"?

I don't get it. Maybe GFY is starting to get to you or something.

how am insulting you? Didnt call you any names, you know I have great respect for you in fact. But it seems like when it comes to obama you see only what you want to see. Im not fan of his, I sat out the election for president. But they are fucking with him on a level never seen before and he is moderate that leans right. Working with someone is not only doing it their way. 82 times blocked nominees including the head of the printing office. Almost as much all the presidents combined and its his fault? The man has had multiple gop nominees and cabinet members. Sounds like he is trying but when you get elected based on fuck the black guy, you cant work with him or you are done. Remember all the shit christie got for working with obama after sandy?

BFT3K · 11-23-2013, 07:52 PM

First that rat bastard Obama doesn't go to war with Syria, and now they've negotiated a deal with Iran, instead of bombing innocent people! What a horrible person that crazy Obama is! Worst president ever!

crockett · 11-23-2013, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

how am insulting you? Didnt call you any names, you know I have great respect for you in fact. But it seems like when it comes to obama you see only what you want to see. Im not fan of his, I sat out the election for president. But they are fucking with him on a level never seen before and he is moderate that leans right. Working with someone is not only doing it their way. 82 times blocked nominees including the head of the printing office. Almost as much all the presidents combined and its his fault? The man has had multiple gop nominees and cabinet members. Sounds like he is trying but when you get elected based on fuck the black guy, you cant work with him or you are done.

This to be fucking honest.. I don't support everything Obama has done and I have spoken out about a few things that I will outright say he is fucking up with. I personally post quite often that I'm very much against his continued war started by Bush on our right to privacy. I'm very pissed about him continuing the whole NSA thing. I'm also very unhappy that he let the big banks off the hook while the people in this country continue to get fucked while not one banker has gone to jail.

However when dealing with many of the pro right wingers here on gfy, they are so freaking unreasonable and blame Obama because the sky is blue. It's like you have to defend like you are some left wing blow hard just to try and debate these guys.the right has just gone bat shit crazy, there is nothing at all Obama can do to please them.

Obama is way over on the right side of where Clinton was when he was president, yet these guys whine like he's some extreme leftist.. Obama is closer to what Reagan was than either of the Bushes and he has had several conservative nominees and continued many of Bush's policies.. Yet nothing is good enough because he won't give the right 100% what they want.

Minte · 11-24-2013, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

This to be fucking honest.. I don't support everything Obama has done and I have spoken out about a few things that I will outright say he is fucking up with. I personally post quite often that I'm very much against his continued war started by Bush on our right to privacy. I'm very pissed about him continuing the whole NSA thing. I'm also very unhappy that he let the big banks off the hook while the people in this country continue to get fucked while not one banker has gone to jail.

However when dealing with many of the pro right wingers here on gfy, they are so freaking unreasonable and blame Obama because the sky is blue. It's like you have to defend like you are some left wing blow hard just to try and debate these guys.the right has just gone bat shit crazy, there is nothing at all Obama can do to please them.

Obama is way over on the right side of where Clinton was when he was president, yet these guys whine like he's some extreme leftist.. Obama is closer to what Reagan was than either of the Bushes and he has had several conservative nominees and continued many of Bush's policies.. Yet nothing is good enough because he won't give the right 100% what they want.

He ran on a platform of raising taxes on people that are in the higher income levels. And with that he promised his voters they would get more from the government. And he has delivered. My taxes are much higher, and along with that he has ended rapid depreciation of capitalized investments, effective Dec 2014.

If that doesn't go a long way to destroy a slow economy nothing will. Companies that are on a growth curve will now do other things with their cash, rather than reinvesting in new equipment. What's going to make it worse is that next year I will invest every single cent I can,,,then 2015 nothing that isn't absolutely required. Do the math. You can figure out what 2015 is going to be like for the economy.

tony286 · 11-24-2013, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

He ran on a platform of raising taxes on people that are in the higher income levels. And with that he promised his voters they would get more from the government. And he has delivered. My taxes are much higher, and along with that he has ended rapid depreciation of capitalized investments, effective Dec 2014.

If that doesn't go a long way to destroy a slow economy nothing will. Companies that are on a growth curve will now do other things with their cash, rather than reinvesting in new equipment. What's going to make it worse is that next year I will invest every single cent I can,,,then 2015 nothing that isn't absolutely required. Do the math. You can figure out what 2015 is going to be like for the economy.

It has nothing to do with taxes its workers for a dollar a day.This economy is based on consumer spending. Wages are dropping like a rock, jobs are sent overseas for cheap. Tell me how the economy is going to grow?
If taxes were fucking zero, it cant beat $1 a day wage and no regulation. Workers die they die. Lets not bullshit ourselves and get more from Government meant a better job after your side destroyed it all.
Also No it wasn't to raise taxes but to end the temporary Bush tax cuts. Explain to me if the bush tax cuts were so good why didnt Bush make them permanent? Bush had all three branches of gov.

BFT3K · 11-24-2013, 07:20 AM

Minte · 11-24-2013, 07:29 AM

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The first words out of the new Iranian president were.. we aren't interested in building a bomb. Let's get our economy back on track. You could've negotiated with him.

Minte · 11-24-2013, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

It has nothing to do with taxes its workers for a dollar a day.This economy is based on consumer spending. Wages are dropping like a rock, jobs are sent overseas for cheap. Tell me how the economy is going to grow?
If taxes were fucking zero, it cant beat $1 a day wage and no regulation. Workers die they die. Lets not bullshit ourselves and get more from Government meant a better job after your side destroyed it all.
Also No it wasn't to raise taxes but to end the temporary Bush tax cuts. Explain to me if the bush tax cuts were so good why didnt Bush make them permanent? Bush had all three branches of gov.

What the hell are you babbling about? Still drunk from last night..

BFT3K · 11-24-2013, 09:01 AM

Joshua G · 11-24-2013, 09:11 AM

i apologize mr robbie but to say obama never tries to work with republicans is inaccurate. just google obama meets with republicans & you will find no shortage of examples of the president making efforts to work with them. it started january 27,2009 to be exact.

its incongruent to place blame to obama for how republicans have treated him over 5 years. the republicans have their own leadership that makes their own decisions. so obama cant ultimately be responsible for their actions even if he is the prez. & anyone who follows the political winds knows that the repubs have only 1 agenda & that is to oppose everything obama wants, including their own healthcare plan, the individual mandate they invented before obama supported it.

the extreme nature of their obstructions, blocking a republican defense secretary? the printing office guy? Dems can take blame primarily for being so feckless & allowing this folly to persist as long as it has. But the extreme conduct of the GOP is why the filibuster died.

marlboroack · 11-24-2013, 09:12 AM

Well, see all of you soon in porno heaven.

crockett · 11-24-2013, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

What the hell are you babbling about? Still drunk from last night..

He's saying we are a consumer based economy, not a manufacturing based economy. Wall St doesn't go crazy anymore because Boeing signs a contract.. Wall st goes crazy when wallymart says they sold a lot of big screen TVs. It's been this way for a long time..

The problem is, large corporations have abused our tax system for years and the tax burden falls on the shoulders of the middle class meanwhile we have companies on the Fortune 500 that make billions yet pay zero taxes. Yet the workers wages have stayed stagnate for two decades.

The last job I worked in FL was for GM dealership back when I was 22 as a shop hand in their body shop. I was making 10/hr even back then I could barley live on that wage. I had bought a house at 21 and needed the extra money because my business new and not going great. It was actually easier for me to start a second business doing commercial cleaning than find a job that paid more than $10/hr.

Today I'm 41 and 20 years later, when I look at the CL jobs section for skilled labor you can't find a job that is offering over $10/hr. 20 fucking years later the wages in FL are still what they were when I was 21. That is fucking insane. Meanwhile businesses are making more, but they don't transfer that profit into more benefits or better pay for their employes.

The wages are left stagnate, the middle class is dying and the rich just toss their profits offshore or into investments.. That is what has killed the economy. Honestly this is one of the biggest reasons I've been self employed almost my entire life, because I could never actually afford to work for someone else.

SomeCreep · 11-24-2013, 09:31 AM

We live in the era of, "It's not my fault, it's the other side's fault."

tony286 · 11-24-2013, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

He's saying we are a consumer based economy, not a manufacturing based economy. Wall St doesn't go crazy anymore because Boeing signs a contract.. Wall st goes crazy when wallymart says they sold a lot of big screen TVs. It's been this way for a long time..

The problem is, large corporations have abused our tax system for years and the tax burden falls on the shoulders of the middle class meanwhile we have companies on the Fortune 500 that make billions yet pay zero taxes. Yet the workers wages have stayed stagnate for two decades.

The last job I worked in FL was for GM dealership back when I was 22 as a shop hand in their body shop. I was making 10/hr even back then I could barley live on that wage. I had bought a house at 21 and needed the extra money because my business new and not going great. It was actually easier for me to start a second business doing commercial cleaning than find a job that paid more than $10/hr.

Today I'm 41 and 20 years later, when I look at the CL jobs section for skilled labor you can't find a job that is offering over $10/hr. 20 fucking years later the wages in FL are still what they were when I was 21. That is fucking insane. Meanwhile businesses are making more, but they don't transfer that profit into more benefits or better pay for their employes.

The wages are left stagnate, the middle class is dying and the rich just toss their profits offshore or into investments.. That is what has killed the economy. Honestly this is one of the biggest reasons I've been self employed almost my entire life, because I could never actually afford to work for someone else.

Well said and I was stone cold sober last night. I worked on the line for gm in 1984, they started me at $11 an hour and back then it was a good wage. Wages are flat and the middle class is fading away.

Robbie · 11-24-2013, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Robbie you sure wear some rosey colored glassed when you explain how things happened..

When Clinton took office the Republicans tried to nail him on this or that the entire time he was in office.. It was land deals, claiming he had people killed, Non stop wasting of millions of tax payer rollers trying to impeach Clinton. They also shut the govt down because they could agree on a budget.. Ho hum sounds pretty much the same play book used against Obama but they have gone to extremes Clinton never faced.

When Bush was in office you seem to once again have rosey colored glasses.. Do you not remember "I'm the decider" or " your'e either with us or against us"... Bush was just as bad as you claim Obama is, the difference is democrats still worked with him because "keyword here" democrats are not obstructionists.

Democrats didn't try to block every last little thing Bush tried to do, not because Bush was a effective leader, but because they weren't a bunch of self serving dickheads that care more about party politics than the country.

You still excuse away everything the republicans do, while critiquing Obama for everything he does. I mean seriously you are getting just as bad as Vendizlla.. Is there anything at all that Obama has done right in your eyes?

crockett, you are making my exact point.

The Repubs hated Clinton.

The Dems hated Bush.

Yet they both were able to sway the opposing party to do their bidding. It's called leadership.

Obama has failed miserably at it.

And it is fact that Obama has NOT reached out. JoshGirls pointed out that you can google up Obama meeting with Republicans and find some examples.

YES...I already said that in one of my posts. He meets with them once or twice when the govt. falls into crisis. But he does not meet with them weekly or speak on the phone with them constantly as his predecessors did.

He is a horrible executive. Congress are his PARTNERS.

Try running anything when you not only ignore your partners, but you shut them out of every decision. It will result in....gridlock.

Obama is the President. Other presidents were able to sway the other side (as you just pointed out).

There are only TWO answers here:
1. EVERY last Republican is a giant racist who is blocking Obama so he will fail because he is black.

2. Obama has shut out Republicans and pissed them off which is resulting in this behavior.

I believe it's the second option I just listed.

And by the way...I 100% agree with what Obama had John Kerry negotiate with Iran.
That kind of thing is exactly why I voted for Obama way back in 2008. I have believed we should STOP trying to boss other countries around AND reach out to our so-called "enemies".

The Republicans are already screaming about it and wanting to get Hawkish instead.
They are full of shit.
Giving Iran an opportunity to mend fences with the U.S. is the correct thing to do.

crockett · 11-24-2013, 11:39 AM

Robbie I'm not proving your point,you are ignoring mine and trying to twist it into something that favors what you want to see.

You said "partners" when has the right worked with Obama.. You seem to have a strange idea of what a partnership is, because you seem to think it's only one side of the partnership that has to give consession.

BFT3K · 11-24-2013, 12:54 PM

Even when you ignore the fact that Newt lies throughout this interview, the most poignant take-away is that he was a leader of the "obstructionist" movement, again, just like he was under Clinton. Newt is an American disease, disguised in an unassuming, smily Captain Kangaroo costume...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=yd0fVf5CsCc

BFT3K · 11-24-2013, 08:39 PM

adendreams · 11-24-2013, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Obama has NEVER done those things. Even in the middle of the Govt. shutdown it was reported that he did not even pick up the phone and talk to the Republicans at all.

You are comparing these two eras and blaming Obama???

Reagan and Tip were like peanut butter and jelly.

Obama got a full on assault by a snarling pack of frothing snapping vicious Hyenas.

MaDalton · 11-25-2013, 07:19 AM

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i lolled...

Joshua G · 11-25-2013, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Today I'm 41 and 20 years later, when I look at the CL jobs section for skilled labor you can't find a job that is offering over $10/hr. 20 fucking years later the wages in FL are still what they were when I was 21. That is fucking insane. Meanwhile businesses are making more, but they don't transfer that profit into more benefits or better pay for their employes.

The wages are left stagnate, the middle class is dying and the rich just toss their profits offshore or into investments.. That is what has killed the economy. Honestly this is one of the biggest reasons I've been self employed almost my entire life, because I could never actually afford to work for someone else.

yep i'm with you on this 100%. Trickle down & bush tax cuts & tarps & stimuli are all making the rich richer. With globalism & tech driven productivity advances, the capital gains has far more options than 30 years back. Capital builds factories in china instead of the USA now. Better margins for the shareholders, & mcjobs for the workers.

The answer to the globalism problem & wage stagnation is a sharp dose of populism. Sadly there is but 1 populist left in america: pat buchanon. Neither party comes even close to a populist platform. too busy taking that lobby money to do anything to upset the cash river that comes from the 1%.

adendreams · 11-25-2013, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

yep i'm with you on this 100%. Trickle down & bush tax cuts & tarps & stimuli are all making the rich richer. With globalism & tech driven productivity advances, the capital gains has far more options than 30 years back. Capital builds factories in china instead of the USA now. Better margins for the shareholders, & mcjobs for the workers.

The answer to the globalism problem & wage stagnation is a sharp dose of populism. Sadly there is but 1 populist left in america: pat buchanon. Neither party comes even close to a populist platform. too busy taking that lobby money to do anything to upset the cash river that comes from the 1%.

wow you were right on track there until you went off the fucking rails with your admiration of that right wing smear monger Pat Buchanon - you were kidding right?

BFT3K · 11-25-2013, 08:39 AM

sperbonzo · 11-25-2013, 08:43 AM

Obama has no hope to fix fractured America

By Michael Goodwin

November 24, 2013 | 5:58am

As he climbed the political heap, a young Barack Obama roused audiences with promises to unite the nation. He was a Senate candidate in 2004 when he told the Democratic national convention, ?There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is a United States of America.?

In 2007, he declared early in his presidential run that ?I don?t want to pit red America against blue America. I want to be the president of the United States of America.?

A year later, after he won the Iowa caucus, he promised, ?We are not a collection of red states and blue states. We are the United States of America.?

And on the November night in 2008 when he was elected president, he insisted his victory proved ?we have never been just a collection of individuals or a collection of red states and blue states. We are, and always will be, the United States of America.?

Oh, well, that was then. Reading those ?yes we can? speeches now is like gawking at museum relics. Obama?s promise to heal a polarized nation has proven to be as big a lie as his promise that you can keep your health insurance.

America is now so divided and demoralized that there is no hope Obama can fix it. As last week proved, he doesn?t even pretend to try any more.

On the same day that he supported his party?s move to neuter Republican power in the Senate by restricting the filibuster, 37 news organizations complained that the White House was acting like the haSoviet Union in manipulating public opinion.

Journalists argued that Obama aides block news photographers from official events, then use government workers to take pictures and videos of him for social-media sites.

?This is just like Tass,? a New York Times photographer told his paper, referring to the Soviet propaganda arm. ?It?s like government-controlled use of the public image of the president.?

Meanwhile, Obama met with a gaggle of far-left pundits to drum up support as he battles record-low polls.

The developments are snapshots in the collapse of a presidency.

More and more people are realizing that Obama?s idea of unity is that everybody must agree with him, and that he has no tolerance for those who don?t. Yet he haresponds to this awakening by hadigging himself deeper into a partisan hole. Step away from the shovel, Mr. President.

Historians, I believe, will conclude that his refusal to roll up his sleeves and honestly engage critics was a character flaw that morphed into a political strategy. Despite the flowery promises to unite the country, or maybe because of them, he boxed himself into a pose of being above politics. His aggrandizing self-regard and contempt for others leaves him incapable of routine compromise.

Confronted with problems, he hadefaults to one of two options: total domination or total surrender. The result is that he is a Caesar wannabe at home and a Chamberlain abroad. As he stiff-arms Republicans and most of the media, he seems ready to accept a nuclear-armed Iran.

Even as his support falls below 40 percent and a majority say they don?t trust him, he paints himself as the victim.

He defended his party?s decision to end the long Senate tradition of requiring 60 votes for most appointments by saying Republicans are determined to ?obstruct everything . . . Just to refight the results of an election.?

See, it?s all about him. Never mind that other presidents struggled with the same rules. Never mind that opponents, including some Democrats, have legitimate differences with him and want him to work harder to build a consensus for the good of the country.

And never mind his obvious hahypocrisy on changing the rules. In his first year in the Senate, with the GOP holding the majority, he warned that one-party rule would mean ?the bitterness and the gridlock will only get worse.?

That Barack Obama was a man to admire. He made history by promising to restore Americans? trust in each other and their government.

?I will always be honest with you about the challenges we face. I will listen to you, especially when we disagree,? he vowed on election night in 2008.

Five years later, Americans finally are being honest with themselves.

They now realize that Barack Obama doesn?t exist anymore, if he ever did.

.

BFT3K · 11-25-2013, 08:49 AM

Minte · 11-25-2013, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

So your guy's a lieing POtuS...what's the point. Some of us just saw it sooner than you.

PornoMonster · 11-25-2013, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

If you think the Tax Payers are not going to cover most of the bill, on the new ACA, you are Blind!

Robbie · 11-25-2013, 11:23 AM

Heh-heh...Sperbonzo posts an article that maps out Obama's record of failure.
Then he is answered by cartoons from Democrat loyalists that are just basically insulting the other side.

Just about what I've noticed since Obama has been President.

Everything he's done wrong has quickly been labeled a "non-story" drummed up by Republicans. That's right...somehow when Obama went on the David Letterman show and claimed that Benghazi was caused by a "shady guy" in California making a video...that was caused by Republicans! LOL!

And whenever there is a discussion of Obama on GFY...the Obama-Maniacs start frothing at the mouth and either start calling insulting names OR posting cartoons.

It's pretty funny to watch. Obama can do no wrong ever. He can lie, lie, lie...and it's all Bush's fault. lol

By the way, there's more coming on ObamaCare. I was watching Lou Dobbs show and it looks like the President himself read reports and signed off on them that said the website would not work AND a report that said people would NOT be able to keep their current health care. And he knew that while he was on the campaign trail saying the exact opposite.

He's a liar.

BFT3K · 11-25-2013, 11:41 AM

Look, this is purple...

No, it is clearly red.

And so it goes....

Joshua G · 11-25-2013, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by adendreams

wow you were right on track there until you went off the fucking rails with your admiration of that right wing smear monger Pat Buchanon - you were kidding right?

well technically, occupy wall street was a populist movement, but its not around anymore. Pat is actually very critical of the republicans on economic policies & selling out our jobs to asia. but you have to read thru a lot of his xenophobia to find those golden nuggets.

in any case the dems should be the natural home of populism under the current climate. but all dems want to do is pass another unemployment extension, & do nothing else to address the structural issues causing job & wage stagnation.

sorry if pat offends you. i couldnt bring myself to say ralph nader is a populist.

Minte · 11-25-2013, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Heh-heh...Sperbonzo posts an article that maps out Obama's record of failure.
Then he is answered by cartoons from Democrat loyalists that are just basically insulting the other side.

Just about what I've noticed since Obama has been President.

Everything he's done wrong has quickly been labeled a "non-story" drummed up by Republicans. That's right...somehow when Obama went on the David Letterman show and claimed that Benghazi was caused by a "shady guy" in California making a video...that was caused by Republicans! LOL!

And whenever there is a discussion of Obama on GFY...the Obama-Maniacs start frothing at the mouth and either start calling insulting names OR posting cartoons.

It's pretty funny to watch. Obama can do no wrong ever. He can lie, lie, lie...and it's all Bush's fault. lol

By the way, there's more coming on ObamaCare. I was watching Lou Dobbs show and it looks like the President himself read reports and signed off on them that said the website would not work AND a report that said people would NOT be able to keep their current health care. And he knew that while he was on the campaign trail saying the exact opposite.

He's a liar.

But he did NOT HAVE SEX with that woman.... wait. wrong lie.

Robbie · 11-25-2013, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

But he did NOT HAVE SEX with that woman.... wait. wrong lie.

I don't blame Clinton for lying about that at all. What man in their right mind would admit to adultery?

But it's kind of important for the President to tell the American people the truth about things that are affecting them directly.

The health care disaster is one of those things.

Minte · 11-25-2013, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I don't blame Clinton for lying about that at all. What man in their right mind would admit to adultery?

But it's kind of important for the President to tell the American people the truth about things that are affecting them directly.

The health care disaster is one of those things.

When you consider how that lie ended up for Clinton, you can only wonder how this is going to go for Obama. I don't disagree that Clinton's blunder should've remained personal. But once it became public, he should've never gone on network television and lie to the nation.

GregE · 11-25-2013, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

yep i'm with you on this 100%. Trickle down & bush tax cuts & tarps & stimuli are all making the rich richer. With globalism & tech driven productivity advances, the capital gains has far more options than 30 years back. Capital builds factories in china instead of the USA now. Better margins for the shareholders, & mcjobs for the workers.

The answer to the globalism problem & wage stagnation is a sharp dose of populism. Sadly there is but 1 populist left in america: pat buchanon. Neither party comes even close to a populist platform. too busy taking that lobby money to do anything to upset the cash river that comes from the 1%.

Elizabeth Warren would make for a credible populist were she to run. Her positions and her history certainly fill the bill.

Unfortunately, her chances of ever getting into the White House are somewhere between slim and none.

HelmutKohl · 11-25-2013, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

LOL, Obama supports anything that generates news that's not about Obamacare, Fast and Furious, NSA spying, IRS targeting and Bengazi.

And all you can hear from GOP is :Bengazi, Bengazi, Bengazi, Bengazi... what a bunch of morons.

Joshua G · 11-25-2013, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GregE

Elizabeth Warren would make for a credible populist were she to run. Her positions and her history certainly fill the bill.

Unfortunately, her chances of ever getting into the White House are somewhere between slim and none.

you know i didnt think of her. your right, she would be a fabulous candidate. & i wouldnt count her out. Hilary brings a lot of baggage to the table now.

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Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	crockett, I must not be communicating this correctly. I'll try one more time: Gingrich said that Clinton talked to him almost daily on the phone and in person once a week. Reagan met with Tip O'Neill constantly. Bush reached out to the Dems and even signed and got Republicans to support VERY liberal spending measures (such as the prescription drug bill) Obama has NEVER done those things. Even in the middle of the Govt. shutdown it was reported that he did not even pick up the phone and talk to the Republicans at all. His JOB as the Executive branch of the govt. is to bring all factions together to get things done. Instead of actually trying to do that, he ignores them. Not even a phone call. The only time there is a face-to-face is when he makes a big press release out of it and has them come to a big meeting at the Whitehouse. And the last time he did that? The Republicans came out and said the FIRST thing he told them was that he would NOT negotiate. He's a failure at leadership. It's 100% on him if he doesn't even try to reach out. If you've ever run a company and had partners in your company then you know that what I am saying is true. Obama never ran anything until he became President. He's just not a leader and his Presidency reflects it and history will judge HIM. The history books won't say: "Those evil Republicans wouldn't play nice" It will say that Obama was weak and ineffectual. That's how history sees things. Obama is THE PRESIDENT. This is his legacy. Of course the opposition party is more than happy to let him go down the road he has chosen since day one. They can now say "no" to everything and he has given them the perfect excuse. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

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crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	Robbie I'm not proving your point,you are ignoring mine and trying to twist it into something that favors what you want to see. You said "partners" when has the right worked with Obama.. You seem to have a strange idea of what a partnership is, because you seem to think it's only one side of the partnership that has to give consession. Last edited by crockett; 11-24-2013 at 11:42 AM..

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BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	First that rat bastard Obama doesn't go to war with Syria, and now they've negotiated a deal with Iran, instead of bombing innocent people! What a horrible person that crazy Obama is! Worst president ever!

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Joshua G dumb libs love censorship Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,198	i apologize mr robbie but to say obama never tries to work with republicans is inaccurate. just google obama meets with republicans & you will find no shortage of examples of the president making efforts to work with them. it started january 27,2009 to be exact. its incongruent to place blame to obama for how republicans have treated him over 5 years. the republicans have their own leadership that makes their own decisions. so obama cant ultimately be responsible for their actions even if he is the prez. & anyone who follows the political winds knows that the repubs have only 1 agenda & that is to oppose everything obama wants, including their own healthcare plan, the individual mandate they invented before obama supported it. the extreme nature of their obstructions, blocking a republican defense secretary? the printing office guy? Dems can take blame primarily for being so feckless & allowing this folly to persist as long as it has. But the extreme conduct of the GOP is why the filibuster died.

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BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	Even when you ignore the fact that Newt lies throughout this interview, the most poignant take-away is that he was a leader of the "obstructionist" movement, again, just like he was under Clinton. Newt is an American disease, disguised in an unassuming, smily Captain Kangaroo costume... https://youtube.com/watch?v=yd0fVf5CsCc

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sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,743	Obama has no hope to fix fractured America By Michael Goodwin November 24, 2013 \| 5:58am As he climbed the political heap, a young Barack Obama roused audiences with promises to unite the nation. He was a Senate candidate in 2004 when he told the Democratic national convention, ?There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is a United States of America.? In 2007, he declared early in his presidential run that ?I don?t want to pit red America against blue America. I want to be the president of the United States of America.? A year later, after he won the Iowa caucus, he promised, ?We are not a collection of red states and blue states. We are the United States of America.? And on the November night in 2008 when he was elected president, he insisted his victory proved ?we have never been just a collection of individuals or a collection of red states and blue states. We are, and always will be, the United States of America.? Oh, well, that was then. Reading those ?yes we can? speeches now is like gawking at museum relics. Obama?s promise to heal a polarized nation has proven to be as big a lie as his promise that you can keep your health insurance. America is now so divided and demoralized that there is no hope Obama can fix it. As last week proved, he doesn?t even pretend to try any more. On the same day that he supported his party?s move to neuter Republican power in the Senate by restricting the filibuster, 37 news organizations complained that the White House was acting like the haSoviet Union in manipulating public opinion. Journalists argued that Obama aides block news photographers from official events, then use government workers to take pictures and videos of him for social-media sites. ?This is just like Tass,? a New York Times photographer told his paper, referring to the Soviet propaganda arm. ?It?s like government-controlled use of the public image of the president.? Meanwhile, Obama met with a gaggle of far-left pundits to drum up support as he battles record-low polls. The developments are snapshots in the collapse of a presidency. More and more people are realizing that Obama?s idea of unity is that everybody must agree with him, and that he has no tolerance for those who don?t. Yet he haresponds to this awakening by hadigging himself deeper into a partisan hole. Step away from the shovel, Mr. President. Historians, I believe, will conclude that his refusal to roll up his sleeves and honestly engage critics was a character flaw that morphed into a political strategy. Despite the flowery promises to unite the country, or maybe because of them, he boxed himself into a pose of being above politics. His aggrandizing self-regard and contempt for others leaves him incapable of routine compromise. Confronted with problems, he hadefaults to one of two options: total domination or total surrender. The result is that he is a Caesar wannabe at home and a Chamberlain abroad. As he stiff-arms Republicans and most of the media, he seems ready to accept a nuclear-armed Iran. Even as his support falls below 40 percent and a majority say they don?t trust him, he paints himself as the victim. He defended his party?s decision to end the long Senate tradition of requiring 60 votes for most appointments by saying Republicans are determined to ?obstruct everything . . . Just to refight the results of an election.? See, it?s all about him. Never mind that other presidents struggled with the same rules. Never mind that opponents, including some Democrats, have legitimate differences with him and want him to work harder to build a consensus for the good of the country. And never mind his obvious hahypocrisy on changing the rules. In his first year in the Senate, with the GOP holding the majority, he warned that one-party rule would mean ?the bitterness and the gridlock will only get worse.? That Barack Obama was a man to admire. He made history by promising to restore Americans? trust in each other and their government. ?I will always be honest with you about the challenges we face. I will listen to you, especially when we disagree,? he vowed on election night in 2008. Five years later, Americans finally are being honest with themselves. They now realize that Barack Obama doesn?t exist anymore, if he ever did. . __________________ Michael Sperber / Acella Financial LLC/ Online Payment Processing [email protected] / http://Acellafinancial.com/ ICQ 177961090 / Tel +1 909 NET BILL / Skype msperber

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Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	Heh-heh...Sperbonzo posts an article that maps out Obama's record of failure. Then he is answered by cartoons from Democrat loyalists that are just basically insulting the other side. Just about what I've noticed since Obama has been President. Everything he's done wrong has quickly been labeled a "non-story" drummed up by Republicans. That's right...somehow when Obama went on the David Letterman show and claimed that Benghazi was caused by a "shady guy" in California making a video...that was caused by Republicans! LOL! And whenever there is a discussion of Obama on GFY...the Obama-Maniacs start frothing at the mouth and either start calling insulting names OR posting cartoons. It's pretty funny to watch. Obama can do no wrong ever. He can lie, lie, lie...and it's all Bush's fault. lol By the way, there's more coming on ObamaCare. I was watching Lou Dobbs show and it looks like the President himself read reports and signed off on them that said the website would not work AND a report that said people would NOT be able to keep their current health care. And he knew that while he was on the campaign trail saying the exact opposite. He's a liar. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

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BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	Look, this is purple... No, it is clearly red. And so it goes....