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TheSquealer

Here is something to ponder about homosexuality.

1) You argue it's 100% genetic
2) Identical twins, though having identical genes, do not always share the same sexual orientation.
therefore,
3) It's clearly not ONLY about genetics.

(though it is heritable in males)

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EddyTheDog

Actually most twin studies show the opposite - Don't let facts get in the way of a good story though...

TheSquealer

You just lied. You can't have it all ways. If its solely genetic, then 100% of twins would share the same sexual orientation.

People are also taught to be gay in some Pacific Islander cultures. Though this page doesn't say it, presumably because its not socially acceptable, the parents choose which child they will raise as a woman and then do so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa'afafine

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EddyTheDog

Fa'afafine - lol - Interesting choice - I lived in NZ and know 2 personally - Both are heterosexual - I also know a guy who was raised by his family as female from the Cook Islands - He is 100% heterosexual male...

Even though these 3 guys were raised as female from birth they are heterosexual men - One of them I know will talk to you about it - I will call her tonight and ask if I can share her email address.....

MaDalton

i think thats nonsense - but even if so - whats the problem?

and calling being gay a disorder is pretty ignorant - considering its part of the human nature since its beginning

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It's not a disorder. It's just not normal (unnatural), because it's against the meaning of life. Do you know the meaning of life (ANY LIFE from paramecia to a human being)? It's as simple as this: transfer your DNA to the next generation and die. This can't be done by means of homosexual act. So homosexuality is not normal according to the NATURE.

I didn't say it's not acceptable (I have nothing against two males that like to fuck each other). Furthermore, as I said above, the human nature since its beginning has considered acceptable much more unnatural things like a murder, cannibalism, pedophilia, zoophilia, necrophilia etc. But nothing will turn these into normal (natural) things.

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MaDalton

i have actually other things to worry about than what people think what is normal or not.

but i think it's not normal when people express their opinions by beating people up that dont fit their views of the world

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Overton window

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Grapesoda

yes they will Eddy, just like people will NOT be gay, no matter hard it is pushed upon them by pro gay lobbies... lets leave sex in the bedroom is my thinking

MaDalton

no idea what you want to say - that violence is justified cause people are small minded and cant accept other views?

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Grapesoda

seems to me that a fluent Russian speaker told what you is being said on the video and you refuse to believe it and would rather believe some jerksoff's trying to slant the news for their own personal agenda Eddy..

why don't you find a couple of cute Russian twinks to blow (over 18 of course) and then pull out your phone, play the vid ask for a translation?

mopek1

The Russian laws have nothing whatsoever to do with protecting children. Governments 'use' children as shields to hide behind to sway dumb people to their cause.

This is about being anti-gay.

For those of you defending the law please open your eyes.

just a punk

Did you read it?

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Phoenix

i personally do not care....these olympics are now being overshadowed by this.
I have always been of the opinion that Gay men don't compete(for girls) so therefore they are not my problem. They are usually well dressed and in good shape...not all..lol Anyway the more guys who are gay, means more women for me.
So...seems ok to me

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mopek1

It doesn't matter what it says. Politicians word things to sound very innocent, when behind those words - that you wanted me to read - are alternative intentions. Politicians all do this, in every country.

'I swear it's for the children!!!! Someone please think of the children!!!"

just a punk

For you? Yes it doesn't. We are used to understand the laws literally.

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MaDalton

arrested for waving the rainbow flag

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justi...-a-944284.html

good that now the children are save

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mopek1

Yes thank god! I was starting to panic and really fear for them. Imagine what would happen if children saw a rainbow flag??

just a punk

The details please. Who exactly was arrested? For what reason (rainbow flags are not forbidden in Russia)? Which police department he was taken to? How many days he left there? Sorry, but your "news" is very similar to one posted by EddyTheDog, like "another gay was beaten up in Russia". Who cares that he was a 27yo that man what wanted to fuck a 15yo boy? Really? The same applies to your article, Stefan. There is no information, just a picture and some emotional comments what gonna turn into bullshit if we find the real story behind it. Once again, rainbow flags are not forbidden in Russia. Homosexual relationship is not forbidden too.

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Fetish Gimp

The good old "it's against nature" argument

Let's break it down so you realize how utterly stupid that dumb shit is.

Your premise is that, for sex to be "normal" (natural) it has to happen between a man and a woman so that their DNA can be passed on, right?

So what about when a man and a woman have recreational sex and they use protection? Wouldn't THAT be against nature, since they're interrupting a natural process?

Or what about when a man has anal sex with a woman, isn't THAT against nature since a baby obviously can't be produced that way?

What about blowjobs? You ever had your dick sucked? Because if you did, then by your own definition you had "abnormal sex". You fucking deviant

So by your argument any man/woman that has ever:
Used artificial devices to avoid pregnancy (the pill/condoms/pull out) are abnormal since they're interfering with nature.
Has had anal sex are abnormal.
Has had oral sex are abnormal.
Has had recreational sex without any kind of thought for producing offspring are abnormal.

Now it can't be argued that lesbian/homosexual sex cannot produce biological offspring.

But a lot of heterosexual people can't have biological offspring either because they're infertile, so riddle me this: are they then "abnormal" since by your definition the ability to produce biological offspring is what defines a person as "normal"?

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TheSquealer

An intelligent person would presume "natural" in this instance to mean that which is intended by nature and by design with respect its role in the furtherance of the survival of the species and ones own genes.

Just because a man and woman have sex that doesn't' result in procreation, ignores the fact that they can also do... for the expressed purpose of procreation.

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mopek1

That argument is usually used to dominate/enslave/imprison. I have never heard it used in any beneficial way.

oppoten

So what about other "non-traditional" sexual practices like BDSM and swinging? Aren't they covered by the same law?

I don't think it's anti-gay, but more like pro-Russia. "Pro-Russia" in this instance meaning pro-family, pro-church, pro increased birth rate and pro whatever the west is against.

MaDalton

some questions you ask are answered in that article, just use Google translate

but it's pointless to argue - you have obviously your opinion, i have mine. and no one of us is going to change his.

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just a punk

The process in natural, they just interrupted it (unnatural, but acceptable for our society).

The same as above.

The same as above. The same applied to gerantophilia, pedophilia, necrophilia, zoophilia etc. As I said above they are accepted in some societies (e.g. gerantophilia and homosexual acts are accepted almost everywhere). But nether of them is natural and normal. All these sexual activities are perversions. And it doesn't matter accepted they are in your area or not. They are not normal and course they can not be suggested to the children as a part of the sexual education. Never.

PERIOD.

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Exactly

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Antonio

I seriously don’t know what is more pathetic – the law itself or the spin that they are trying to put on it.

Oh, no, this is not an anti-gay law; we are simply protecting our children and promoting our traditional values. Well, I don’t know what other countries have openly anti-gay laws, but if I remember correctly Uganda and Nigeria do and if this is the group of countries Russia wants to belong to, then who am I to judge...

just a punk

I did.

Once again. No real facts there. Like in the video posted by EddyTheDog where he was protecting a pedophile just because he is gay. I.e. it looks like he has no tolerance to straight pedos but it's ok for him if that pedo is a gay. The video he posted says all about it.

The mentioned Russian law (use Google translate to read it) has nothing to do with gays. There is no mention of gays at all. It's just against promoting non-traditional sex to the kids. I believe it's ok to suggest homosexual acts, anal sex etc to minors in your country, but in Russia you'll be fined for doing that (not for a lot of money actually - $160 or so). It is impossible to not "promote" the traditional sex to them because they have a sexual education in the schools, but why the hell they must be promoted to homosexual acts?

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Antonio, read the law first, comment on it second. Just my

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MaDalton

yeah, whatever

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mopek1

I'm done as well.

just a punk

Didn't read, din't know but don't support. This is a very known phrase for the USSR era (use Google translate). Did I say already that the EU is just an ugly copy of the USSR?

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JockoHomo

Here's something for everyone to ponder. Dr. Kinsey's research clearly shows that neither homosexuality or heterosexuality is the majority and that most fall in between the both extremes.

Certainly the heterosexual can reproduce and homosexual can not (not with each other but they have been procreating since day 1 and in the closet) BUT since sex is also done the vast majority of time simply for pleasure it is not always the primary motivator and in fact, the end result of pregnancy is quite often totally unwanted. (That gets us into another never ending divisive topic - abortion).

Of course, it is a choice who you fuck (the behavior) but the drive is not so clear cut for the vast majority (if they could be honest with themselves - most can not). It is simply how they are. To make either a political issue is only something divisive that religions and politicians exploit.

Now excuse me while I go suck my neighbors cock.

TheSquealer

This is what fascinates me about it. People want to believe in right or wrong, black and white, my side vs yours etc etc etc. but like most things in this life, the issue is infinitely more complicated than that.

From the standpoint of evolutionary biology, it's a hard question to tackle in spite of science pretty much offering up endless theories for any adaptive trait or behavior one could imagine in any species. I was reading last night a few studies that offered various conclusions as to why homosexuality exists and none of them adressed the fact that it is common in animals or that the origins of homosexuality seem to be quite different in males, than females. Again, the "one size fits all" defensive rhetoric often fails to address that simple fact, much less even attempt to define "homosexuality" to begin with as should happen with any well reasoned debate.

I don't care who is gay. Who isn't. Who is dumb, who isn't... Who is far, who isn't... Who is bald, who isn't etc etc etc. it's irrelevant, it's on each individual to find happiness and peace in their own lives and those who spend their time furious about such topics generally have found neither.

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DamianJ

The only thing one can hope to salvage from this horrific thread is that no one gives Cyber SEO any work knowing he thinks that homosexuality is "abnormal" and something that shouldn't be explained in schools for fear of 'corrupting' Russia's youth.

I really hope he doesn't have kids.

This is the saddest thread I've seen on GFY. And that is saying something.

DamianJ

Just saw this on digg

"It’s no secret that Russia is a scary place for LGBT people right now. For years, gay pride parades have been met with violent protestors, anti-LGBT laws have been passed, and even public figures, like Russian celebrity Ivan Okhlobystin, have made anti-gay comments without fear of repercussion.

“It’s really sad, I grew to love Russia,” said Bass. “I lived in old communist Russia — I wasn’t in Moscow — I was in the 1960s real Russia. So I really got to know them and appreciate their culture, and even then I knew how much they hated gays. That was one of the first things I realized, was how much they made fun of it. It scared me how much they talked about it, and how offended they were by gays.”

One moment that sticks out for Bass in particular was during his medical testing before the training even began. “They had to give me a colonoscopy to test everything,” he explained. “They did it. I was completely awake. It was very barbaric — their medical testing is very barbaric — and I’m sitting there and they’re doing the procedure with lots of doctors in the room. So I have tears coming down my eyes, because it hurt so badly, and they all start laughing. And I asked my translator, ‘Why are they laughing?’ and they said, ‘Well, they know now that you’re not gay.’ And they were all laughing because my colonoscopy hurt so much, and they were all happy because I wasn’t gay.”"

http://www.buzzfeed.com/erinlarosa/l...ar-for-his-lif

TheSquealer

"Normal" = "that which typifies the mean"

He was exceedingly clear as to what he meant and the context with which he meant it

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Fetish Gimp

Hold on, let me get this... "straight"

A man and a woman interrupting the natural process of procreation by artificial means or having anal sex is "natural", even though it's biologically clear that the anus is NOT a sexual organ because a man and a woman can still "potentially" procreate?



After all, the human anus is not a sexual organ. "Nature" designed it as a way for our bodies to dispose of waste.

Thus if you're using the "natural" angle then any sexual congress which does not involve a penis going into a vajajay is, by your definition, unnatural.

But if it happens between a man and a woman it's okay because they could still "potentially" make a baby.

That my friend, is the very definition of a double standard.

Now if we were turtles and have cloacas instead of dicks/pussies/asses then I'd have no argument.

But that's not the case. Butt-sex is unnatural per your definition, thus a perversion. Oh God how that makes me laugh.

And yeah, it's funny how Russia is getting all the heat about their position about homosexuality when they make the Saudi Arabia and the Emirates seem like San Francisco by comparison.

But that's what happens when you host the Olympics.

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just a punk

Yes, that's 100% correct. You may put this into your sig or make a tattoo on your forehead. It will be very appreciated. Because I really consider homosexuality abnormal and I don't want it to be "explained" to our kids in schools.

Too bad for you. I have an adult son and he is not homo. He's straight and have a girlfriend. So cry me a river.

Yeah, you may begin crying right now.

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just a punk

Can you read English? I said: anal sex is accepted in our society (even if in some US states it's considered as sodomy) but it's unnatural. And this is something the kids should not be learning in the school. Still not clear enough?

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DamianJ

Indeed. And I am exceedingly clear that I find his views disgusting, frightening, ignorant and horrific.

Fetish Gimp

Allow me to remind you that your argument against gay sex was BASED on it being "unnatural".

You yourself have stated that this "unnatural" act is "accepted" in your society when it happens between a man and a woman.

Yet THE SAME UNNATURAL ACT, when it happens between two men (or two women) would not be acceptable? That's like I stated previously a double-standard and it shows only one of the inherent flaws of that argument.

And the argument that "kids" will be "turned gay" when they're taught about anal sex is pure fear-mongering retardation because nobody is suggesting that little kids be taught about anal sex in the first place.

Let me ask you this: are kids being taught about anal sex between heterosexual couples NOW?

And you'll notice the use of "kids", suggesting little kids instead of those who are taught sex ed, teenagers.

But "kids" implies little ones, which is why homophobe fear-mongerers use it to elicit unthinking emotional responses "AWMAGAWD THINK OF THE WIDDLE CHILLIN!!11!"

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JockoHomo

It must be terrifying for you being part of a laughed at and dying breed of idiots.

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