More Stand your Ground? White guy kills black guy over music. Claims "Afraid for his life".

[2MuchMark]

http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/04/flo...er-loud-music/

The killing of another unarmed black teen by a white man claiming self defense under Florida’s shoot-first law — aka “Stand Your Ground” — has made national news. The incident occurred at a gas station in late 2012, when 45-year-old Michael Dunne allegedly ended an altercation over loud music coming from a car with a group of teens by firing multiple shots into the vehicle. Seventeen year-old Jordan Davis died in his friend’s arms. (Ta-Nehisi Coates interviewed Davis’ mother for The Atlantic.)

So sad...

[dyna mo]

Dunne goofed.



-repeating my pun from the other thread on this.

[crockett]

There was also a ex police chief that shot a guy over texting in a movie theater here in FL. These idiots get guns and then it makes them paranoid and they shoot first think second.

[L-Pink]

I love Florida.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crockett

There was also a ex police chief that shot a guy over texting in a movie theater here in FL. These idiots get guns and then it makes them paranoid and they shoot first think second.

There's nothing paranoid in getting pissed off about someone texting in a theater.

L-pink hit the nail on the head in the other thread, people are getting fed-up with the lack of common courtesy/respect.

[mineistaken]

I bet you would not post if dude was not white and victim was not black. Pathetic.

[bronco67]

If these guys didn't have guns in their car to begin with, they wouldn't be confronting black people about their music. People who carry guns everywhere are scared little boys. I go so many places without a gun, and I haven't needed one. If I did carry a gun, I'd probably be more likely to get into a situation where I needed one.These idiots are dying for something to happen, and it's a fantasy come true when they finally get to shoot someone. Self fulfilling prophecy.

[escorpio]

Just pretend the shooter was black and you can go back to not giving a fuck. You can even call anyone that points out the black-on-black murder epidemic a "racist."

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by bronco67

If these guys didn't have guns in their car to begin with, they wouldn't be confronting black people about their music. People who carry guns everywhere are scared little boys. I go so many places without a gun, and I haven't needed one. If I did carry a gun, I'd probably be more likely to get into a situation where I needed one.These idiots are dying for something to happen, and it's a fantasy come true when they finally get to shoot someone. Self fulfilling prophecy.

[blackmonsters]

This guy might get off with an insanity plea!

I mean, I'm old and fat like him and if I confronted some teens at night, at the store, about load music, I would consider it a sign of senility.

[JockoHomo]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

L-pink hit the nail on the head in the other thread, people are getting fed-up with the lack of common courtesy/respect.

I agree with this assessment of the incident. As America continues the downward spiral into oblivion there will be more and more of these "short fuse" types crimes. Road rage is up with horns blaring and middle fingers erect.

People are feeling insignificant and marginalized as the middle class gasps and takes its last few remaining breaths.

Ghetto lifestyle is marketed as fashionable and even desirable. Uselessness is rewarded and admired. Hard work is ignored and actually seen as a waste of time in this new America.

Part of the ghetto lifestyle is rudeness being seen as normal. Common courtesy is totally foreign to these uneducated masses and courtesy is actually seen as a weakness and therefore shunned.

Incidents like this are only the beginning. We are going to see a steady increase of violence...mall shootings...work place shootings (going postal)...and of course, racially motivated conflicts increasing as well.

Hold on folks it's going to be a bumpy ride!

[420]

[bronco67]

Saw part of his trial on CNN today. He was just as I thought he would be. A little girl who is terrified of the world. He used words like flabbergasted, evening wear and he said he likes to take his dog Charlie out for potty time. Of course he's scared of black people.

From his description, if it's all true --- did sound like a threatening situation. But he would have never put himself in that situation if he didn't have a gun in the car. There's no way this guy would ask a car full of black kids to turn their music down, just like George Zimmerman wouldn't have the guts to follow a kid in a hoodie without his 9mm second dick.

[Phoenix]

i think it would have been easier for him to just walk or drive away.
who cares if someone has loud music in their car?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

i think it would have been easier for him to just walk or drive away.
who cares if someone has loud music in their car?

Would also be easier to not provoke responses from the general public you are purposely annoying in a self centered attempt for attention. You just might annoy the wrong person then what?


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[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

i think it would have been easier for him to just walk or drive away.
who cares if someone has loud music in their car?

That's what I'm saying. Whenever there's an annoying idiot in my radius, I remember he/she will be out of my life very soon so I can suffer through whatever. As long as it means I don't have to get into a "thing". Because a thing will usually happen.

Being an annoying, loud person is a symptom of being the type who will tell anyone to fuck off when confronted about their behavior. They may even want to get physical with you. Why bring that into your life when you can just wait a few moments and you'll never have to see them again? They can go on being assholes, and you can stay out of jail for accidentally killing someone. Not worth it.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Would also be easier to not provoke responses from the general public you are purposely annoying in a self centered attempt for attention. You just might annoy the wrong person then what?


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I don't remember that the general public got out of their cars and shouted a bunch of shit
then got a gun and shot until their clips ran out.

Nope, just one dumb motherfucker did that.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by bronco67

That's what I'm saying. Whenever there's an annoying idiot in my radius, I remember he/she will be out of my life very soon so I can suffer through whatever. As long as it means I don't have to get into a "thing". Because a thing will usually happen.

1 annoying behaving fucktard and many people annoyed by the fucktard.
Who should suffer? 1 fucktard or all non fucktards?

We would reach the point where somebody would say "it's your fault if you get annoyed by someone and approach him asking to behave like a quality person".

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

1 annoying behaving fucktard and many people annoyed by the fucktard.
Who should suffer? 1 fucktard or all non fucktards?

We would reach the point where somebody would say "it's your fault if you get annoyed by someone and approach him asking to behave like a quality person".

If all the other non-fucktards had your back, then it would be an easy problem to solve. But most people want to look the other way. And like I said, why stress yourself out and ruin your day because someone needs attention? Nothing will solve the problem because there's always been fucktards who need to be punched, and there always will be.

[Rochard]

I would love to post here but.... You know. So:



(never heard of this movie)

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Would also be easier to not provoke responses from the general public you are purposely annoying in a self centered attempt for attention. You just might annoy the wrong person then what?

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I can't really comment on that as i usually try not to be annoying in public.
however this guys life is now in the shitter because he didn't like someones music choice and volume setting.

No doubt the kids in the car were being annoying. Worth ruining your life over it?
What about that kids mom? Does she deserve it because she didn't teach her kids to turn down the music in public? It is a weak argument.

Shooting a gun at someone for loud music is a sign of a psychopath. What is next? He spit his bubble gum on the road so i shot him down?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

I can't really comment on that as i usually try not to be annoying in public.
however this guys life is now in the shitter because he didn't like someones music choice and volume setting.

No doubt the kids in the car were being annoying. Worth ruining your life over it?
What about that kids mom? Does she deserve it because she didn't teach her kids to turn down the music in public? It is a weak argument.

Shooting a gun at someone for loud music is a sign of a psychopath. What is next? He spit his bubble gum on the road so i shot him down?

I'm not sticking up for the shooter. I myself would have ignored the kids. The advise I'm giving is don't be surprised when someone snaps and shoots you for your rude disrespectful attitude or actions.

I can go damn near anywhere in Tampa and not have a problem, ever. I can also provoke a negative response within 5 minutes of leaving home if that's my goal. The "situation" regardless of any gross over reaction, is brought on by the person getting shot.

Even if the shooter is found guilty so what? "You" are still dead. And you are still dead because your own behavior pushed someone too far.


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[dyna mo]

There's a psycho outside my bldg yelling FUCK SHIT!! at the top of his lungs over & over right this very moment. I can either walk over to the windows and shut the noise cancelling curtains or I can get my shotgun and go shoot him in the face.

hmmmmmmmmmmm..........decisions..............

[BaliPimp]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

There's a psycho outside my bldg yelling FUCK SHIT!! at the top of his lungs over & over right this very moment. I can either walk over to the windows and shut the noise cancelling curtains or I can get my shotgun and go shoot him in the face.

hmmmmmmmmmmm..........decisions..............

shoot that mother fucker

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

There's nothing paranoid in getting pissed off about someone texting in a theater.

L-pink hit the nail on the head in the other thread, people are getting fed-up with the lack of common courtesy/respect.

Good job y'all is all packing some heat then !!!

Fuck, how about I get pissed off about some prick firing his gun when I am trying to watch a movie ?

Do I get to pop a cap in the shooters ass because the ensuing panic caused me to spill my coke all over my crotch ?

( obviously making sure that I apologise to anyone who might be offended/disturbed by the noise/dead body/blood splatter/cold blooded murder )

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Would also be easier to not provoke responses from the general public you are purposely annoying in a self centered attempt for attention. You just might annoy the wrong person then what?


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So it is ok to shoot people that have annoyed you ?

At last the voice of reason.

[CurrentlySober]

i cant a4d a White guy to kill a black guy over music...

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by NewNick

So it is ok to shoot people that have annoyed you ?

At last the voice of reason.

Now where did I say that?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by NewNick

Good job y'all is all packing some heat then !!!

Fuck, how about I get pissed off about some prick firing his gun when I am trying to watch a movie ?

Do I get to pop a cap in the shooters ass because the ensuing panic caused me to spill my coke all over my crotch ?

( obviously making sure that I apologise to anyone who might be offended/disturbed by the noise/dead body/blood splatter/cold blooded murder )

You've completely misunderstood the post. The comment/view was not a justification, it was an explanation.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

I can't really comment on that as i usually try not to be annoying in public.
however this guys life is now in the shitter because he didn't like someones music choice and volume setting.

No doubt the kids in the car were being annoying. Worth ruining your life over it?
What about that kids mom? Does she deserve it because she didn't teach her kids to turn down the music in public? It is a weak argument.

Shooting a gun at someone for loud music is a sign of a psychopath. What is next? He spit his bubble gum on the road so i shot him down?

WTF are you talking about? Was he planning to shoot him because of the music?
Was he supposed to see the future?
If you get a loud neighbor don't you go and ask him to turn it down? Or you say "I will not go there because things might turn out and escalate to shooting"?

[Sly]

Originally Posted by NewNick

Good job y'all is all packing some heat then !!!

Fuck, how about I get pissed off about some prick firing his gun when I am trying to watch a movie ?

Do I get to pop a cap in the shooters ass because the ensuing panic caused me to spill my coke all over my crotch ?

No, you don't have a gun, therefore you don't get to.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Just pretend the shooter was black and you can go back to not giving a fuck. You can even call anyone that points out the black-on-black murder epidemic a "racist."

I can't because it wouldn't be as interesting. Here's the issues:

He already said he was afraid for his life. He referred to them as "thugs' and used "thug music" in his descriptions. He told the police they had a gun or weapon of some kind, but never said this to the woman he was with.

It may not be racially motivated, but it seems like it might have been.

Regardless, the real question about this trial is what happens next. Will be get off on the "Stand your Ground" law?

[Sly]

Originally Posted by **********

I can't because it wouldn't be as interesting. Here's the issues:

He already said he was afraid for his life. He referred to them as "thugs' and used "thug music" in his descriptions. He told the police they had a gun or weapon of some kind, but never said this to the woman he was with.

It may not be racially motivated, but it seems like it might have been.

Regardless, the real question about this trial is what happens next. Will be get off on the "Stand your Ground" law?

Have we really made the jump that now a "thug" refers to and only refers to a black male?

And who are the racists again?

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by crockett

There was also a ex police chief that shot a guy over texting in a movie theater here in FL. These idiots get guns and then it makes them paranoid and they shoot first think second.

i was reading that.. got popcorn thrown at him, shoots a guy dead

'i feared for my life, with a gun in my pocket'

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

I can't because it wouldn't be as interesting. Here's the issues:

He already said he was afraid for his life. He referred to them as "thugs' and used "thug music" in his descriptions. He told the police they had a gun or weapon of some kind, but never said this to the woman he was with.

It may not be racially motivated, but it seems like it might have been.

Regardless, the real question about this trial is what happens next. Will be get off on the "Stand your Ground" law?

**********, your views are based primarily, if not entirely, on other's opinions of media reports, usually over-sensationalized.

The fact is all states have stand your ground jury instructions, I'm using the "stand your ground" terminolgy since you've globbed on to the phrase.

For instance, here in California,

California Criminal Law instruction 3470:

"A defendant is not required to retreat. He or she is entitled to stand
his or her ground and defend himself or herself and, if reasonably
necessary, to pursue an assailant until the danger of (death/bodily
injury) has passed."


There is no duty to retreat from an attacker anywhere in the USA.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

**********, your views are based primarily, if not entirely, on other's opinions of media reports, usually over-sensationalized.

The fact is all states have stand your ground jury instructions, I'm using the "stand your ground" terminolgy since you've globbed on to the phrase.

For instance, here in California,

California Criminal Law instruction 3470:

"A defendant is not required to retreat. He or she is entitled to stand
his or her ground and defend himself or herself and, if reasonably
necessary, to pursue an assailant until the danger of (death/bodily
injury) has passed."


There is no duty to retreat from an attacker anywhere in the USA.

This is only pertaining to Castle Doctrine, but I'm sure there are other doctrines/laws as well, state-by-state?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_...h_a_castle_law

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Sly

This is only pertaining to Castle Doctrine, but I'm sure there are other doctrines/laws as well, state-by-state?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_...h_a_castle_law

This list seems incomplete. I don't see Texas.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Sly

This is only pertaining to Castle Doctrine, but I'm sure there are other doctrines/laws as well, state-by-state?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_...h_a_castle_law

Yup, perhaps ********** can grasp that, doubtful though since it's not written by an anti-republican blogger.

[tony286]

I felt threatened is the new get out of jail free card. Guy texting during the previews with the sitter because his kid is sick, he doesnt do what you want. God forbid he gets pissed and throws pop corn the answer is shoot him and say you felt threatened.
Kids listening to annoying music they wont turn it down. Shoot him and then say you felt threatened.
Girl is drunk and crashed her car, bangs on your door for help at 3am . Shoot her in the head thru the screen door and say you felt threatened.
Senile old man walking his dog lost in Ga in the middle of the night. Bangs on a door they call 911 but the bf decided to go outside confront the senile old man holding only a dog and the mail and kills him. He felt threatened.

A guess people defend this practice until someone they love gets blown away.

[Just Alex]

All jokes aside but how do you keep them black people quiet in the movie theater? Seriously.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Just Alex

All jokes aside but how do you keep them black people quiet in the movie theater? Seriously.

The dude in the movie theater was white. and I do know what you are talking about, the trick is avoid those theaters. lol

[JockoHomo]

Originally Posted by Just Alex

All jokes aside but how do you keep them black people quiet in the movie theater? Seriously.

Not possible. I simply stopped going to the theater although most of the movies are shit anyway so no big lose there.

Sadly the decline of American culture and indeed the world's culture overall is the glorification of this "thug" "ghetto" lifestyle. Part of that is the noise they call "music".

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by JockoHomo

Sadly the decline of American culture and indeed the world's culture overall is the glorification of this "thug" "ghetto" lifestyle. Part of that is the noise they call "music".

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by tony286

The dude in the movie theater was white. and I do know what you are talking about, the trick is avoid those theaters. lol

Im not talking about this dude. In general how do you get those mother fuckers to shut up?
My cousin has has one of those dining movie theaters and its great. Keeps them out because you have to buy $30 worth of food and drinks.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

There's nothing paranoid in getting pissed off about someone texting in a theater.

L-pink hit the nail on the head in the other thread, people are getting fed-up with the lack of common courtesy/respect.

yep i agree, it's best to shoot them then.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by nico-t

yep i agree, it's best to shoot them then.

Again, it's an observation, not a justification.

[sperbonzo]

What's sad is that the "stand your ground" law is invoked more often by black shooters that shoot other black people.... and yet the OP NEVER posts any of those cases.






"Blacks make up 16.6 percent of Florida's population but account for 31 percent of the defendants invoking the stand your ground defense. Black defendants who invoke this statute are actually acquitted 8 percentage points more frequently than whites who use this very same defense.

Those who conclude the law is racially biased point to data compiled by the Tampa Bay Tribune, which collected 112 cases where people charged with murder relied on Florida's stand your ground law, from the first cases in 2006 to July 24 of this year. The Tribune's "shocking" claim: 72 percent of those who killed a black person faced no penalty compared to 59 percent of those who killed a white.

But this doesn't tell the whole story as blacks are overwhelmingly killed by other blacks. Thus, it is also true that blacks claiming self-defense under the stand your ground law are convicted at a lower rate than are whites. About 69 percent of blacks raising the stand your Ground defense were not convicted compared to 62 percent of whites.

If blacks are supposedly being discriminated against because their killers so often are not facing any penalty, it must also follow that they are being discriminated in favor of when blacks who invoke a stand your ground defense are convicted at a lower rate than are whites. Those who interpret the data as evidence of racism are cherry-picking numbers.

Simple averages also missed important differences in these cases. The Tribune data shows blacks killed in these confrontations were 13 percentage points more likely to be armed than whites. This suggests that those claiming that they were defending themselves often reasonably believed that they had little choice but to kill their attacker.

By a 43 to 16 percent margin, the blacks killed were also more often in the process of committing a crime."


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...ground-defense



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[pornguy]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

There's nothing paranoid in getting pissed off about someone texting in a theater.

L-pink hit the nail on the head in the other thread, people are getting fed-up with the lack of common courtesy/respect.

Lack of. its come down to the fact that people have no manners any more or respect for anyone or anything.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

What's sad is that the "stand your ground" law is invoked more often by black shooters that shoot other black people.... and yet the OP NEVER posts any of those cases.






"Blacks make up 16.6 percent of Florida's population but account for 31 percent of the defendants invoking the stand your ground defense. Black defendants who invoke this statute are actually acquitted 8 percentage points more frequently than whites who use this very same defense.

Those who conclude the law is racially biased point to data compiled by the Tampa Bay Tribune, which collected 112 cases where people charged with murder relied on Florida's stand your ground law, from the first cases in 2006 to July 24 of this year. The Tribune's "shocking" claim: 72 percent of those who killed a black person faced no penalty compared to 59 percent of those who killed a white.

But this doesn't tell the whole story as blacks are overwhelmingly killed by other blacks. Thus, it is also true that blacks claiming self-defense under the stand your ground law are convicted at a lower rate than are whites. About 69 percent of blacks raising the stand your Ground defense were not convicted compared to 62 percent of whites.

If blacks are supposedly being discriminated against because their killers so often are not facing any penalty, it must also follow that they are being discriminated in favor of when blacks who invoke a stand your ground defense are convicted at a lower rate than are whites. Those who interpret the data as evidence of racism are cherry-picking numbers.

Simple averages also missed important differences in these cases. The Tribune data shows blacks killed in these confrontations were 13 percentage points more likely to be armed than whites. This suggests that those claiming that they were defending themselves often reasonably believed that they had little choice but to kill their attacker.

By a 43 to 16 percent margin, the blacks killed were also more often in the process of committing a crime."


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...ground-defense

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Another good post


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[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Lack of. its come down to the fact that people have no manners any more or respect for anyone or anything.

I really think there's much truth to this. It's compounded by the population explosion.