Documenting the decline of the porn industry - Page 4 - GoFuckYourself.com

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 01:39 PM

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At the Adult Entertainment Expo held last weekend at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada, I talked to adult performers, agents, consumers, directors, producers, cam girls, veterans, and newcomers about the state of the adult movie industry.

Pirating was the subject everyone was talking about. Now that pirates have commandeered their content, what can those who work in adult do about it?

For some, business is booming. Take, for example, Nate Glass, CEO of Takedown Piracy, a company that attempts to wrest pirated content from the pirates? hands.

For one veteran porn star I spoke to at the show, after thirteen years out of the business, everything has changed.

For a top adult talent agent, demand is non-stop.

Today, consumers don?t want to pay for porn, and therein lies the problem. Can the industry reinvent itself?

Here, those who work in porn talk about how they make a living in the brave new world of porn.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/susannah...iness-of-porn/

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 01:43 PM

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SAN FRANCISCO ? The adult-entertainment industry is in a tailspin, shattering the notion that it is one of the few recession-proof industries.

The slump is especially stinging because technology ? which helped adult-entertainment enterprises reap riches through innovations such as video streaming, webcameras and online payments ? is contributing to the misery.

DVDs and online pay sites, which make up the majority of porn-related sales, are in a free fall largely because of the rise of so-called tube sites.

Knockoffs of video-sharing site YouTube, the sites serve up snippets of free porn that is often pirated. (Google's YouTube has done its best to bar explicit content.)

Some 1,000 tube sites ? double those of a year ago ? have put a sizable dent in the estimated $13 billion porn industry, prompting a flurry of copyright-infringement lawsuits. Most tube sites run ads to make money.

"We're dealing with the perfect storm: declining DVD sales, rampant piracy, free content and a weak economy," says Steven Hirsch, founder of porn heavyweight Vivid Entertainment. He says its DVD sales plunged 20% last year. "This is the worst I've seen in this industry in 25 years."

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/...orn02_ST_N.htm

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 01:45 PM

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Down the Tubes

How free streaming video threatens the porn industry

The troubles for the porn studios began with a technology called BitTorrent, introduced in 2001, which made it easy for people to share data files over the Internet. This technology provided the world with unlimited free music, much to the dismay of the giant music publishers. But it was still somewhat clunky. If you wanted to watch a video, you had to download it, which took time and ate up space on your hard drive.

By 2005, the BitTorrent technology gave way to something more manageable and user-friendly: streaming video. This technology was used early and heavily by sites with names like PornHub, Xvideos, and YouPorn. Suddenly, anybody who wanted to watch a clip could do so almost instantly. You clicked on a video and it played in the browser: no more waiting, no more downloading.

This simple innovation has demolished the porn industry?s traditional way of doing business. Porn tube sites are now among the most visited websites in the world. According to the online measurement company Alexa, PornHub holds a worldwide traffic rank of 54. Xvideos is at number 53, and haYouPorn is at number 64. The threat comes from the sheer ease of uploading content?anyone?s content?onto a site and then drawing users to view it. Most tubes describe themselves as aggregators of ?user-generated content,? but the material they publish is much broader?many video clips are created, paid for, and owned by porn studios.

?Piracy has hurt us a lot,? says Ali Joone, founder and director of the adult-film company Digital Playground, which last year tracked illegal downloads of its most popular title, Pirates. ?Over the course of a month, it was downloaded about four million times. And that?s just from a handful of sites. Even if those downloads cost us a thousand customers, let?s say, who were going to pay?that hurts.?

The porn studios face the same fundamental question as any content provider in the Internet age: how do you protect your stuff once it?s ?out there?? The answer, so far, is, ?Not well.?

The tube effect has been profound enough to inspire a recent public-service announcement featuring more than a dozen adult performers and directors pleading with fans not to view pirated porn. One actress, Charley Chase (who did not participate in the PSA but says she faces the same troubles), got into the business in late 2007 on the promise of lots of work at high pay. But the pay has dropped and the work has dried up. ?And it?s all because of piracy,? she says.

http://www.technologyreview.com/revi...own-the-tubes/

Markul · 03-16-2014, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Then it looks like you believe I'm in the industry after all.

No not really. I do believe you are not "all there" though. Show us a site or GTFO ;)

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 01:52 PM

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Now, at 27, Stoya's a free agent ? free from the life of a contracted pornographer ? which means she can say whatever the hell she wants about the major porn production companies, and she does. (She?s a Vice columnist, after all.) It doesn?t take her long, in the day I spend with her, to tell me how big fish corporate companies are devaluing porn by posting the films by small studios on pornography equivalents of YouTube. The studios then either go out of business or get bought out by the big companies. It sounds a lot like what happened to the music industry with the advent of Napster and LimeWire, but with porn sites, only a few sites make considerable bank off of advertisements. She wants me ? and you ? to know that the corrupt studios, the ones that accept poor working conditions for both crew and talent (Stoya mentions a time she voiced concern over shooting ?in the desert at high noon in mid summer with no toilets on set in a place where rattlesnakes hang out?), are the ones who make all the money when we illegally download free porn, and what I guess you could call the free-range organic mom ?n? pop studios are going out of business because of it.

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love...ng-pornography

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 01:56 PM

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Is the Porn Bubble About to Pop?

I went to the AVN Expo last week to teach a seminar on sex education in retail settings for Good Vibrations. I?ve been to a few shows before, so it wasn?t new. That?s a good thing because I find Las Vegas a bit much even without dozens of porn performers wandering around in skimpy clothing, hundreds of fans getting autographed copies of DVDs, flashing lights, loud (and bad) music, and giant screens showing porn clips.

I?m not the only one who noticed that this year?s show was a lot smaller than past ones. There were fewer booths and many companies had smaller spaces. There also seemed to be fewer fans and the awards show was in a smaller venue. Of course, no industry is truly recession-proof, but I think that the porn industry faces some unique difficulties.

Partly, that?s because of porn?s history. Until recently, porn was pretty much disposable. People (mostly, but not only men) bought it, watched it a few times and threw it out or hid it in the attic. The industry could constantly produce more and more magazines and movies because it was rare for people to keep them for long. The internet has changed that, though. These days, movies don?t go away to make room for new ones. Instead, they get shifted to a different webpage. That led to a glut and the industry hasn?t really figured out how to deal with that. This is made more complex by the increase in non-industry folks who film themselves having sex and upload it to a tube site like xtube.com, as well as clips of pirated movies. Why in the world should someone pay for porn when they can find lots of whatever turns them on for free?

http://www.charlieglickman.com/2010/...-about-to-pop/

topnotch, standup guy · 03-16-2014, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ITraffic

no one cares.

Lot's of people care, the Tube Boys themselves more than anyone.

Thing is, the latter will never admit there's a problem and, with a few exceptions, no one else offers a viable solution that doesn't entail rolling around in the dung heap with the same scumbags that brought all of this about in the first place.
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topnotch, standup guy · 03-16-2014, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Markul

No not really. I do believe you are not "all there" though. Show us a site or GTFO ;)

You would do well to see an eye doc and get that tunnel vision of yours checked out. Left untreated such conditions can be very debilitating.

The articles the OP has posted speak for themselves and the credentials of the authors thereof are a matter of public record.

Perhaps you might want to consider attempting to actually like, you know, read one of them.

Don't worry.. if you wait until you're alone first, no one will see your lips moving.
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TheSquealer · 03-16-2014, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Yes you're mr. motivational speaker constantly calling people who disagree with you losers while hiding behind an anonymous nickname and posting no stats and pretending to be a porn billionaire. You said in the other thread you left and got back into it. Sounds like an excuse to me. I really don't care but when you're calling others "no join losers" then you should be prepared to show your own cards not to mention how you know what others are making, mr. motivational speaker.

I just realized i still have niftstats installed on a computer and it has a couple sponsors i use still entered and still working and downloading stats. I wasn't keen on the idea of posting stats from systems people would recognize.

Thats 2014 (as the date shows) and you can't just put a fake date because when you change it in niftystats, it automatically changes the time period and downloads the stats for that period.

So anyway... there you go. Some basic stats from a fraction of the programs I work with... for 2 1/2 months only.

So yeah... clearly its all over in 2014.

The primary difference between myself and others is that where you see failure, i see opportunity. Where you see decline, i see competition dropping off, creating more opportunity. Where you see an endless barrage of reasons not to continue, I see only opportunity. Where you busy yourself trying to convince yourself and others that its over, i busy myself planning my next move and growing what I have or enjoying my time with the people I care about.

The honest truth is that i've been insanely lazy so far this year. I took a MASSIVE hit in January and realized I was getting really burned out. I am only now starting to recover from it. Even with that major setback and really just fucking off and neglecting things, i still made more in a couple months than you will make online in years.

Your future is shaped by you and you alone...not by the actions of others. Not tube sites. Not piratebay.se. Not TGPs. Not brazzers.... but you. You should spend your time reading the Art of War rather than archaic articles written by non industry people and failed companies full of fabricated facts and blatantly wrong statements.

When you focus your thoughts on growth and success, that becomes the new prism through which you judge the world. When you focus on failure and why you are failing and that you will fail in the future, you've doomed yourself.

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signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I just realized i still have niftstats installed on a computer and it has a couple sponsors i use still entered and still working and downloading stats. I wasn't keen on the idea of posting stats from systems people would recognize.

Thats 2014 (as the date shows) and you can't just put a fake date because when you change it in niftystats, it automatically changes the time period and downloads the stats for that period.

So anyway... there you go. Some basic stats from a fraction of the programs I work with... for 2 1/2 months only.

So yeah... clearly its all over in 2014.

The primary difference between myself and others is that where you see failure, i see opportunity. Where you see decline, i see competition dropping off, creating more opportunity. Where you see an endless barrage of reasons not to continue, I see only opportunity. Where you busy yourself trying to convince yourself and others that its over, i busy myself planning my next move and growing what I have or enjoying my time with the people I care about.

The honest truth is that i've been insanely lazy so far this year. I took a MASSIVE hit in January and realized I was getting really burned out. I am only now starting to recover from it. Even with that major setback and really just fucking off and neglecting things, i still made more in a couple months than you will make online in years.

Your future is shaped by you and you alone...not by the actions of others. Not tube sites. Not piratebay.se. Not TGPs. Not brazzers.... but you. You should spend your time reading the Art of War rather than archaic articles written by non industry people and failed companies full of fabricated facts and blatantly wrong statements.

When you focus your thoughts on growth and success, that becomes the new prism through which you judge the world. When you focus on failure and why you are failing and that you will fail in the future, you've doomed yourself.

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Wow. Thanks for finally putting something up after insulting everyone else. You're talking more like a human now too which I appreciate. Not bad stats at all assuming they are really yours but very weird stats there. 1:256 overall? 1:9, 1:7, 1:133 with 55 chargebacks on 189 new sales and 470 rebills? I cannot even imagine what it is you might be doing.

It doesn't look like paysites that much is certain...

escorpio · 03-16-2014, 07:00 PM

Markul · 03-17-2014, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

You would do well to see an eye doc and get that tunnel vision of yours checked out. Left untreated such conditions can be very debilitating.

The articles the OP has posted speak for themselves and the credentials of the authors thereof are a matter of public record.

Perhaps you might want to consider attempting to actually like, you know, read one of them.

Don't worry.. if you wait until you're alone first, no one will see your lips moving.
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Aww how cute, yet you totally missed my point (s)

CurrentlySober · 03-17-2014, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

FTFY xxx

12clicks · 03-17-2014, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Translation: "those of us who are willing to scam people and find some way to stay legal while doing it will thrive."

This forum is continually amazed that you ride a high horse regarding your legal-but-shouldn't-be billing schemes.

How does it feel to know that every single sale you pull results in someone opening their credit card statement and feeling ripped off? The scientific fact of the matter is that you are a clinical sociopath if you don't care about that.

I think it's also safe to assume this anti-social mindset is manifesting deep troubles in your personal life and likely has been for many years. So as much as you want to believe otherwise, nobody here envies you.

Hahaha, did this nights and weekend loser just pretend to speak for "this forum"?

Well let me speak for the industry, loser.
Go get a job, we don't consider what you do "working in the industry"

signupdamnit · 03-30-2014, 06:13 AM

(with thanks to GFY user DVTimes)

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Porn is everywhere, except in the porn capital, Los Angeles.

The infamous city's pornographers are trying to stay relevant at a time when the internet is giving it away for free.

The saturation of free porn on the internet means "The Valley" is losing its once very profitable industry.

Who wants to buy a DVD or order a movie on their cable system when they can call up porn on their computer free of charge?

Charlie LeDuff talks to industry insiders Ron Jeremy, Larry Flynt and Steve Hirsch about the future of porn. Play the video in the player to see a full report in this edition of The Americans with Charlie LeDuff.

Porn has gone mainstream. Estimates say there are as many as 4,000,000internet sites are dedicated to porn.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/251...ut-of-business

Best-In-BC · 03-30-2014, 06:39 AM

lol, I make ruffly what I made 5 years ago per k I have, nothign has changed.

TommyM · 03-30-2014, 08:17 AM

Stop crying and evovle... Back in the really old days, people were bitching about tgps giving away free pictures, when we was used to be able to only put up banner farms and make a killing... then we thought the world was going under when mgps with free movies came online.. same story all over again and again and again... and ill bet when the next new thing comes the tube sites owners will bitch about virtual reality when no one wants to watch free porn online anymore but wants a virtual reality experince with porn...

Develop your business and adapt to the future...

They are doing it in every other industry also...

OldJeff · 03-30-2014, 08:34 AM

This babbling is still going on ?

j3rkules · 08-25-2015, 03:46 AM

Any updates?

mopek1 · 08-25-2015, 04:18 AM

The fact that so many people rush in to call signupdamnit a loser says a lot.

It tells us that there is an urge to CRUSH anyone who speaks ill of tubes or the industry's decline.

If nobody truly cared then nobody would reply. For example, I don't really care about most of the gfy posts that are tabloid-like. They have catchy and controversial titles but I'm not wasting my time with them. I move on and look for business threads.

But why when threads like this are started do you see the same people coming in and HAVING to counter it with such zeal? Why not ignore it if it's no big deal?

Not only that but the OP is also ridiculed and made to look like a loser? Why so?

He's not saying he can't be successful. He's talking about paysite joins. In another thread people like Ja$son, L-Pink and Robbie all agreed that paysite sales were on life support and nobody argued that.

It must be threatening to someone ...

Paul Markham · 08-25-2015, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

That $14 billion number was always a fiction. At the time it was first bandied about, Playboy had a market cap of a hundred million and grossed about three hundred million a year. Even if you figure that Penthouse, Hustler, Vivid, and Private, every single major cam and dating player, and all the $30+PPS guys all did much bigger numbers than those, at the time, there is no way porn ever accounted for that much financial activity.

You're making the mistake most online people make. Penthouse, Hustler, Vivid, and Private, etc. Weren't the money makers in porn. They were the production sector. The money was in the shops.

Yes Playboy turned over three hundred million a year. Selling their magazines to shops who put a 300% mark up on it.

Paul Markham · 08-25-2015, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Possible.

Even now I think there are serious misconceptions. People seem to think all the money is in the tubes, right? Since they have taken over and all. Well...

200 million uniques a day * $2.5 per 1000 uniques = $500,000 / day

$500,000 * 365 = $182.5 million

That's it. And that is revenue not profit. Now look at what was lost industry wide to generate that revenue. All this is right in front of our faces but we do not see it. It's a shame. If anything we should learn from these mistakes.

Are your figures based on people looking at Tube videos, or those that actually click an advert?

I remember a big porn company boasting they were converting 1-35,000 views into a join.

Milfer · 08-25-2015, 05:18 AM

OK, so when porn will no longer be produced, where these so called illegal tube sites will get content from?

As long as there are Hetro males who have erection "sex" will "sell". Period

Paul Markham · 08-25-2015, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Magnetron

The people in denial are going to be the ones crapping themselves should tubes fall out of favor with Google.

Don't deny us that, you .... you ..... Denialist.

The people who don't know how to find a free tube. Aren't worth worrying about. They will just type in free porn tube and get it.

And the decline will continue. It's all about the moving market and how it effects our surfers. For every 80 year old who drops off the chart, back in the day an 18 year old replaced him. Now that 18 year old is programmed by culture to get it for free. Be it recorded porn or cams. Plus as I said in my thread dating has never been easier so the trough of single guys is smaller.

Only a return to B/W prices of 2005 will save porn from further decline. So look at your skills set, the general market and where the two fit in the mainstream online sector. While keeping doing what you are doing.

I'm glad I had 30+ years and the sense to adapt.

signupdamnit · 08-25-2015, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jerkules

Any updates?

lol nice bump.

At this point I'm not sure if the media considers the decline of porn to be news anymore. But I'm sure there have been lots of articles since this was last updated. I also think even back then 90% of the people reading this knew it already. You'd have to be pretty stubborn to read all these sources and think they were lies.

signupdamnit · 08-25-2015, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mopek1

The fact that so many people rush in to call signupdamnit a loser says a lot.

It tells us that there is an urge to CRUSH anyone who speaks ill of tubes or the industry's decline.

If nobody truly cared then nobody would reply. For example, I don't really care about most of the gfy posts that are tabloid-like. They have catchy and controversial titles but I'm not wasting my time with them. I move on and look for business threads.

But why when threads like this are started do you see the same people coming in and HAVING to counter it with such zeal? Why not ignore it if it's no big deal?

Not only that but the OP is also ridiculed and made to look like a loser? Why so?

He's not saying he can't be successful. He's talking about paysite joins. In another thread people like Ja$son, L-Pink and Robbie all agreed that paysite sales were on life support and nobody argued that.

It must be threatening to someone ...

That is why I tried to stick to posting news from mainstream sources and from big shots in the industry. In retrospect I should have totally ignored the comments and just continued posting articles.

I think in many cases it was just a case of shooting the messenger. People didn't like hearing that it's going to be harder than ever for them to make their next million in porn. In other cases the people involved had skin in the game where say they were trying to get new affiliates and here I was (in their eyes) telling their potential affiliates that for the most part they should not bother.

Whatever though. Like I said in the other post I think most of us agree now. It's water under the bridge.

signupdamnit · 08-25-2015, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Are your figures based on people looking at Tube videos, or those that actually click an advert?

I remember a big porn company boasting they were converting 1-35,000 views into a join.

As I recall it was unique views (not clicks) and that was just an estimate. The point was though that it seems to me that a lot of people in our industry believe these tubes are doing far more money than they probably really are doing. If you plug in some reasonable monetization numbers and figure it up with their actual traffic figures it becomes a bit underwhelming. It's a great profit for one company. Don't get me wrong. But when you consider that we're talking about 50%+ of all porn surfers then the numbers are just peanuts. I think us old timers would expect a lot more money from having so many eyes. But this (with the tubes) is the new reality.

JOELK · 08-25-2015, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

as I said, blame me for your failure if it helps you sleep nights.
In the mean time, those of us who can change with the times and stay legal will thrive. Those of you who whine about the demise of internet porn will wink out eventually.

"you wanna suck 12 click's dick?"

patadeperro · 08-25-2015, 10:45 AM

What is this? the thread of doom?

OldJeff · 08-25-2015, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You're making the mistake most online people make. Penthouse, Hustler, Vivid, and Private, etc. Weren't the money makers in porn. They were the production sector. The money was in the shops.

Yes Playboy turned over three hundred million a year. Selling their magazines to shops who put a 300% mark up on it.

Almost ! They all lost money on the actual sales of the magazines, they made their money from the advertising inside the pages

NemesisEnforcer · 08-25-2015, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You're making the mistake most online people make. Penthouse, Hustler, Vivid, and Private, etc. Weren't the money makers in porn. They were the production sector. The money was in the shops.

Yes Playboy turned over three hundred million a year. Selling their magazines to shops who put a 300% mark up on it.

Good point. I buy DVDs wholesale from $1.00 to $8.00 and sell them for $25 to $30. I see those same videos in the stores for as high as $50.

Magnetron · 08-25-2015, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

And the decline will continue. It's all about the moving market and how it effects our surfers. For every 80 year old who drops off the chart, back in the day an 18 year old replaced him. Now that 18 year old is programmed by culture to get it for free. Be it recorded porn or cams

Only a return to B/W prices of 2005 will save porn from further decline.

Yes and No.

The market will correct itself.

Tubes and Paysites in general will experience a decrease in visitation due to a likewise cumulative disinterest in porn free and paid for. Some of each will fold their tents. There will be a redistribution of traffic.

To give away free porn or not to give away free porn; that will be the question across a more leveled playing field.

Best-In-BC · 08-25-2015, 08:23 PM

Brazzers and Porn Hub are the reason, I dont hate them, just a fact if you know the history

Paul Markham · 08-26-2015, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

As I recall it was unique views (not clicks) and that was just an estimate. The point was though that it seems to me that a lot of people in our industry believe these tubes are doing far more money than they probably really are doing. If you plug in some reasonable monetization numbers and figure it up with their actual traffic figures it becomes a bit underwhelming. It's a great profit for one company. Don't get me wrong. But when you consider that we're talking about 50%+ of all porn surfers then the numbers are just peanuts. I think us old timers would expect a lot more money from having so many eyes. But this (with the tubes) is the new reality.

A better estimate would be 1-10 uniques clicking on an advert, even that's a bit high. Tubes are going nowhere though. Their cost of running, has to climb before anything changes.

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Originally Posted by OldJeff

Almost ! They all lost money on the actual sales of the magazines, they made their money from the advertising inside the pages

I'm talking about the revenue in the shop, not the producers.

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Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer

Good point. I buy DVDs wholesale from $1.00 to $8.00 and sell them for $25 to $30. I see those same videos in the stores for as high as $50.

Everyone online compared their retail sales, with offline wholesale or production sales.

Paul Markham · 08-26-2015, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Magnetron

Yes and No.

The market will correct itself.

Tubes and Paysites in general will experience a decrease in visitation due to a likewise cumulative disinterest in porn free and paid for. Some of each will fold their tents. There will be a redistribution of traffic.

To give away free porn or not to give away free porn; that will be the question across a more leveled playing field.

No and No.

The only question is. Can Tubes afford to give it away to get 1-10 to click on an advert. So they can sell it for $0.00025. If the return on traffic drops below the costs, then there maybe a chance. But I wouldn't base a career on it.

Magnetron · 08-26-2015, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No and No.

The only question is. Can Tubes afford to give it away to get 1-10 to click on an advert. So they can sell it for $0.00025. If the return on traffic drops below the costs, then there maybe a chance. But I wouldn't base a career on it.

The locusts who don't know how to sell anything because they only comprehend high volume will move on to bigger and better investments before such a tipping point is reached. So expect more consolidation as some of those smaller potatoes sell out to the bigger spuds like Mindgeek.

Those that do have salesmanship skills will begin to experiment with actually selling porn again.

ITraffic · 08-26-2015, 05:04 AM

pre-recorded porn is dead / dying yes. tubes are just the symptom not the cause.

no point looking at a video when anyone can get the real thing off pof, tinder, cl, backpage, cam shows and so on.

technology and society changed. deal with it.

Roald · 08-26-2015, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ITraffic

pre-recorded porn is dead / dying yes. tubes are just the symptom not the cause.

no point looking at a video when anyone can get the real thing off pof, tinder, cl, backpage, cam shows and so on.

technology and society changed. deal with it.

wrong.

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mopek1 · 08-26-2015, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald

wrong.

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Why so?

I'm not saying I disagree with you but I'd just like to know your thoughts on why.

Roald · 08-26-2015, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mopek1

Why so?

I'm not saying I disagree with you but I'd just like to know your thoughts on why.

Because the convenience of a quick wank on a video will beat the time to score with an actual girl any time.

Also 9 out of 10 people don't care about cams either. Sure lots of money in cams and sure pay site sales might be in a downfall (for a lot of companies) but to say pre-recorded porn is dead is just wrong.

Just my

lezinterracial · 08-26-2015, 03:09 PM

From what I have seen.

Seems to be that the new porn producers are small with simple clips4sale stores. Usually have partner programs with the major tubes, probably a good way to advertise and maybe a fast lane to get their stolen content down. Custom videos usually leaning towards taboo topics. (ex. taboodiaries, cockninja).

They have short preview vids and their stolen videos are probably getting zapped fairly quick.

Paul Markham · 08-27-2015, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ITraffic

pre-recorded porn is dead / dying yes. tubes are just the symptom not the cause.

no point looking at a video when anyone can get the real thing off pof, tinder, cl, backpage, cam shows and so on.

technology and society changed. deal with it.

The social trend in dating is causing a drop in young people needing porn for a quick wank. Even then for the odd times they do, they won't be joining.

I've a 13 year old daughter. Her classmates are 13/14 just. Some are dating. By the time they have credit cards, most will be in or between relationships, nearly all will be sexually active. So the need to "rub one out quick" will have dropped considerably. The need to pay for has gone for most of your target market.

This is your next big hit. Will it be big enough to make Tubes selling traffic unprofitable?????

This could be a balancing effect.

Paul Markham · 08-27-2015, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by lezinterracial

From what I have seen.

Seems to be that the new porn producers are small with simple clips4sale stores. Usually have partner programs with the major tubes, probably a good way to advertise and maybe a fast lane to get their stolen content down. Custom videos usually leaning towards taboo topics. (ex. taboodiaries, cockninja).

They have short preview vids and their stolen videos are probably getting zapped fairly quick.

Who was the last big paysite company to launch?

What was the last big paysite to launch that wasn't just a new tour of the same style content, with an older paysite being put out to pasture?

Roald · 08-27-2015, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Who was the last big paysite company to launch?

What was the last big paysite to launch that wasn't just a new tour of the same style content, with an older paysite being put out to pasture?

Blacked.com?
Tushy.com?

AmeliaG · 08-27-2015, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

I don't have a tube, so I'm in the same boat as everyone else. I've adapted to having less traffic, and did so by tweaking our tours to make them convert better. There are so many ways to get data today it's unreal. With heat maps, GA, A/B testing, and so on, you can choose the right images, text, and buttons on your tours, totally optimizing it so that that lesser traffic converts better than ever. If you know how people are using your site, and what they are looking at and clicking on, you can make a lot more money than if you just throw a bunch of content online and hope you do well with it.

So take your traffic, even if it's less, and learn how to milk everything you can out of it. What's the alternative? We all have to work with what we have.

Interesting post. What are some of your favorite heatmap tools?

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03-30-2014, 08:17 AM	#167
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08-25-2015, 04:18 AM	#170
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08-26-2015, 03:09 PM	#191
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