Documenting the decline of the porn industry - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

MaDalton · 03-15-2014, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Hmmmm you mean around the time that Facebook, YouTube, Twitter and social media went to a whole new level, as never seen before, becoming surfers number one online activity,... replacing searching for porn...

.... Which again completely changed how people use the internet???

i'm too lazy to look up my post from a couple of years ago where said exactly that

Markul · 03-15-2014, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Yes you're mr. motivational speaker constantly calling people who disagree with you losers while hiding behind an anonymous nickname and posting no stats and pretending to be a porn billionaire. You said in the other thread you left and got back into it. Sounds like an excuse to me. I really don't care but when you're calling others "no join losers" then you should be prepared to show your own cards not to mention how you know what others are making, mr. motivational speaker.

Even so. What he just wrote is a hundred percent true.

TheSquealer · 03-15-2014, 04:20 PM

Not "other people". Mostly I'm calling you a loser.

signupdamnit · 03-15-2014, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Not "other people". Mostly I'm calling you a loser.

No, you call everyone a loser who does not agree with you. Your post history shows that. Yet you do not show anything that you do let alone how you know what others are doing. It's all mouth.

signupdamnit · 03-15-2014, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markul

Even so. What he just wrote is a hundred percent true.

This topic documents what credible sources are saying about the industry and the reason for it. There is more truth there than what you probably care to admit. Don't be mad at me. I did not write the articles. I did not tell AVN Theo to say that. I did not tell XBIZ to say what they said. Sorry if you don't want to hear it but that's kind of the problem.

No one is saying there isn't money still here but our industry is in monetary decline and there are reasons for that. The consensus is that the number one reason is related to the proliferation of free content and piracy.

signupdamnit · 03-15-2014, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i'm too lazy to look up my post from a couple of years ago where said exactly that

It would have validty to it save for the fact that the tube sites are still getting hundreds of millions of visitors. These are all people searching for porn. They aren't hitting Facebook and Twitter only. These people largely used to hit the paysites, the blogs, TGPs, MGPs, and actual legitimate tubes. Now they go to these tubes and get it for free.

Markul · 03-15-2014, 04:41 PM

I am not mad. I just do not understand this obsession of yours.

But I asked before and I will ask again. If you somehow manage to convince the majority of the industry that we are all in deep shit and we all agree to do something. What do you propose we do? That debate would seem more productive..

signupdamnit · 03-15-2014, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markul

I am not mad. I just do not understand this obsession of yours.

But I asked before and I will ask again. If you somehow manage to convince the majority of the industry that we are all in deep shit and we all agree to do something. What do you propose we do? That debate would seem more productive..

You've probably made more posts about (but on the side of the tubes) than I have. So if I have an "obsession" so too would you. Regardless it would make sense to be concerned as this is our business we are talking about. We should ALL have had obsessions about it.

To learn from our mistakes would be a great start. That means admitting, "yeah, all the free content is primarily responsible for cutting our industry wide revenues" From there it starts to become a bit of a no-brainer. You try to get together to reverse that trend through intelligent action. You also perhaps try to stop the same thing from happening in other areas of the industry.

Or you can just say "Bro, bro" act like everything is fine and get mad at everyone who points out the truth. You can just come up with a bunch of horseshit excuses and cliches like "Oh people will pay for HD" or "Only those with crappy products have suffered". I guess that is easy to do considering we have had eight years of practice.

woj · 03-15-2014, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

... From there it starts to become a bit of a no-brainer. You try to get together to reverse that trend through intelligent action....

you aren't going to reverse shit... but keep on dreaming if it makes you feel better...

MaDalton · 03-15-2014, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It would have validty to it save for the fact that the tube sites are still getting hundreds of millions of visitors. These are all people searching for porn. They aren't hitting Facebook and Twitter only. These people largely used to hit the paysites, the blogs, TGPs, MGPs, and actual legitimate tubes. Now they go to these tubes and get it for free.

actually what i said back then - like 4-5 years ago - was that people have limited time per day they can spend actively online

nowadays they want to spend a lot of time on Facebook, Twitter etc - leaves less time to be jerked around in CJs, TGPs etc. until they signup somewhere - ergo tubes are a convenient solution for them

the biggest mistake from the paysite sector in that time was not to move forward in technology but to still offer cookie cutter sites with twenty 320x240 mpg videos and demand $39.95 for that (plus hidden xsales)

tubes were free, yes, but they also offered a user experience that was light years ahead of what 99% of the paysites offered back then

a big part of this industry dug its own grave and now sits there with a shovel and cries

signupdamnit · 03-15-2014, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton

a big part of this industry dug its own grave and now sits there with a shovel and cries

I agree wholeheartedly with this part. I don't think it's done yet either.

signupdamnit · 03-15-2014, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj

you aren't going to reverse shit... but keep on dreaming if it makes you feel better...

Realistically, no. I'm not. But you can't say I didn't try. Myself and many others told you what was going to happen circa-2007. We were all right. You called us losers and assholes but here we are now. Even the pirates are having to layoff and cut costs. Even so those sleeping still sleep and refuse to see.

Anyway I've adjusted my own business endeavors accordingly. I wish I would have done so far earlier but live and learn.

signupdamnit · 03-15-2014, 07:44 PM

Just for shits and giggles...
I'm feelin kinda nostalgic.

02-23-2008, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I agree.

Long term consequences of supporting illegal tube sites:

- Increased conversion ratios.
- Loss of goodwill among affiliates and others in the industry (there is a cost).

The latter they can try to prevent by hiding their ownership but the former is unescapeable. It is much like cutting off your leg for $10,000.

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=13821713&postcount=14

This one still makes me laugh.

02-24-2008, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Without sales they were nothing. They built a house of straw.

The thundering conversions sputtered and stopped.

Their leaders talked and talked and talked. But nothing could stem the avalanche.

Their world crumbled. The forums exploded. A whirlwind of flaming, a firestorm of fear. Men began to feed on men.

On the boards it was a white line nightmare. Only those mobile enough to
scavenge, brutal enough to pillage would survive.

The pirate tube sites took over, ready to distribute full videos for a single free click.

And in this maelstrom of decay, ordinary were were battered and smashed. Except for one man armed with Wordpress and his circa-1999 TGP.....

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=13826676

Markul · 03-16-2014, 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

You've probably made more posts about (but on the side of the tubes) than I have. So if I have an "obsession" so too would you. Regardless it would make sense to be concerned as this is our business we are talking about. We should ALL have had obsessions about it.

To learn from our mistakes would be a great start. That means admitting, "yeah, all the free content is primarily responsible for cutting our industry wide revenues" From there it starts to become a bit of a no-brainer. You try to get together to reverse that trend through intelligent action. You also perhaps try to stop the same thing from happening in other areas of the industry.

Or you can just say "Bro, bro" act like everything is fine and get mad at everyone who points out the truth. You can just come up with a bunch of horseshit excuses and cliches like "Oh people will pay for HD" or "Only those with crappy products have suffered". I guess that is easy to do considering we have had eight years of practice.

I am not sure how or where I have made more posts about tubes and being on the side of tubes if that is what you meant... and why is there even "a side" when talking about a site type? To me tubes are a tool to drive traffic and make sales, just like search engines are. But if you have a tool that is better / more productive than either of those tools, I am all ears.

I don't know what you do or did in this industry (sorry I am not a bro that has been around for ages), but all I ever see you do, is talk about how shitty things are and how sponsors are scamming affiliates. I don't see how that is enlightening, productive or even contributes in any way to anything useful for anyone - other than a hate/despair/cry outlet. Maybe you can tell me.

But I will tell you this, probably every single successful businessman, will tell you to not try to fight change, but try to stay one step ahead of it. See what is coming and ride with it.

To put it more simply: You can either build something new or you can build something better.

You just cannot reverse what has happened. This isn't politics. And it's always going to be to each his own.

But... You say you have adapted your own business. May I ask what you have done and what that business is?

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markul

I am not sure how or where I have made more posts about tubes and being on the side of tubes if that is what you meant... and why is there even "a side" when talking about a site type? To me tubes are a tool to drive traffic and make sales, just like search engines are. But if you have a tool that is better / more productive than either of those tools, I am all ears.

I don't know what you do or did in this industry (sorry I am not a bro that has been around for ages), but all I ever see you do, is talk about how shitty things are and how sponsors are scamming affiliates. I don't see how that is enlightening, productive or even contributes in any way to anything useful for anyone - other than a hate/despair/cry outlet. Maybe you can tell me.

But I will tell you this, probably every single successful businessman, will tell you to not try to fight change, but try to stay one step ahead of it. See what is coming and ride with it.

To put it more simply: You can either build something new or you can build something better.

You just cannot reverse what has happened. This isn't politics. And it's always going to be to each his own.

But... You say you have adapted your own business. May I ask what you have done and what that business is?

Let's just be honest, Markul. It all comes down to you just not liking what I say. You're not trying to solve any problem. There isn't any debate here. It's just you saying "I don't like your posts". Well, Markul, I really don't give a damn what you think of my posts because I don't think very much of you either. You think I complain about this or that all the time and in my view most of what you post is you defending tubes or getting in wisecracks on people. We don't like one another. Let's not waste each others time. If you don't like what I say there is an obvious solution (see sig). I know we've had this conversation before as well quite a few times... If you keep it up I'm going to start replying "fuck off. see sig".

Your personal opinions really don't carry much weight to me versus all the other published data and perceptions anyway. If you think it's wrong then please post some opposing articles or facts and figures showing the industry has grown or that tubes are helping to increase revenue industry wide.

Matt 26z · 03-16-2014, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

those of us who can change with the times and stay legal will thrive.

Translation: "those of us who are willing to scam people and find some way to stay legal while doing it will thrive."

This forum is continually amazed that you ride a high horse regarding your legal-but-shouldn't-be billing schemes.

How does it feel to know that every single sale you pull results in someone opening their credit card statement and feeling ripped off? The scientific fact of the matter is that you are a clinical sociopath if you don't care about that.

I think it's also safe to assume this anti-social mindset is manifesting deep troubles in your personal life and likely has been for many years. So as much as you want to believe otherwise, nobody here envies you.

Markul · 03-16-2014, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Let's just be honest, Markul. It all comes down to you just not liking what I say. You're not trying to solve any problem. There isn't any debate here. It's just you saying "I don't like your posts". Well, Markul, I really don't give a damn what you think of my posts because I don't think very much of you either. You think I complain about this or that all the time and in my view most of what you post is you defending tubes or getting in wisecracks on people. We don't like one another. Let's not waste each others time. If you don't like what I say there is an obvious solution (see sig). I know we've had this conversation before as well quite a few times... If you keep it up I'm going to start replying "fuck off. see sig".

Your personal opinions really don't carry much weight to me versus all the other published data and perceptions anyway. If you think it's wrong then please post some opposing articles or facts and figures showing the industry has grown or that tubes are helping to increase revenue industry wide.

Wow you really aren't going to answer any of my questions? What a magnificent troll you are

Edit: Did you even bother to read what I wrote?

TheSquealer · 03-16-2014, 08:10 AM

Not sure why i have this intense fascination with peoples denial. Denial that comes at a an obvious direct and significant cost to the individual.

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markul

Wow you really aren't going to answer any of my questions? What a magnificent troll you are

Edit: Did you even bother to read what I wrote?

No. I'm not.

1. The Topic isn't "Signupdamnit will justify himself to everyone who disagrees with him and doesn't like his posts." It's about documenting the decline of the industry using published sources and I think I've done that.

2. You asked the same "questions" six months ago and then again about a year before that. When I post a topic or something you don't like you come on here and whine about me and try to make me justify myself to you because "Boohoo - you don't like what I'm posting". Even when I stop posting my own words and use the words of credible industry sources you are still whining. Like I say in my sig "Fuck off. I'll post what I want". I try to be diplomatic but it gets to the point where that isn't possible. Just fuck off.

3. Your personal opinions on why you love tubes are meaningless to me. I don't trust you. I don't like you. I don't care if you think Pornhub is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Post some credible sources refuting all the sources I've posted and then I'll give what you say consideration. Show the industry to be in a growth phase still. Show that the tubes are helping our business. Just do something other than calling me a whining asshole troll or whatever it is this time.

Markul · 03-16-2014, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

No. I'm not.

1. The Topic isn't "Signupdamnit will justify himself to everyone who disagrees with him and doesn't like his posts." It's about documenting the decline of the industry using published sources and I think I've done that.

2. You asked the same "questions" six months ago and then again about a year before that. When I post a topic or something you don't like you come on here and whine about me and try to make me justify myself to you because "Boohoo - you don't like what I'm posting". Even when I stop posting my own words and use the words of credible industry sources you are still whining. Like I say in my sig "Fuck off. I'll post what I want". I try to be diplomatic but it gets to the point where that isn't possible. Just fuck off.

3. Your personal opinions on why you love tubes are meaningless to me. I don't trust you. I don't like you. I don't care if you think Pornhub is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Post some credible sources refuting all the sources I've posted and then I'll give what you say consideration. Show the industry to be in a growth phase still. Show that the tubes are helping our business. Just do something other than calling me a whining asshole troll or whatever it is this time.

So in other words, you can call out everyone to prove their opinion with ratios and numbers - while you yourself refuse to give out anything of actual value. And at the same time expect to be taken seriously, while reserving the right to say: "Fuck off ignore me!" to anyone that doesn't agree with you. Okay then

And I am not the one whining here, you are, all the time. I also never ever claimed that the industry was in growth or that tubes help the business overall. I said that my business was in growth and that tubes are one tool in the toolbox that I can use to help my business. Get it right please.

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markul

So in other words, you can call out everyone to prove their opinion with ratios and numbers - while you yourself refuse to give out anything of actual value.

Yes. That's exactly it, Markul. The dozen or so articles from industry and mainstream news sources which I have provided excerpts and links to is me refusing to give anything of value.

Quote:

And at the same time expect to be taken seriously, while reserving the right to say: "Fuck off ignore me!" to anyone that doesn't agree with you. Okay then

And I am not the one whining here, you are, all the time. I also never ever claimed that the industry was in growth or that tubes help the business overall. I said that my business was in growth and that tubes are one tool in the toolbox that I can use to help my business. Get it right please.

So you came to the thread to brag and piss with me but not to actually discuss the topic or provide counter evidence?

Fuck off already, Markul.

MaDalton · 03-16-2014, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Yes. That's exactly it, Markul. The dozen or so articles from industry and mainstream news sources which I have provided excerpts and links to is me refusing to give anything of value.

sorry, but once again - those articles mostly focus on US-based/DVD (offline) centered companies

like

Quote:

"They're destroying us," said Michelle Liss, sales manager of Fleshdrive, a company that sells flash drives preloaded with adult films. "Business is down because of these sites and it sucks. I have friends who come up to me and they say, 'Oh, my god, I saw this great site,' and I say, 'You realize you're hurting my business?' "

selling flash drives? seriously?

besides that - Fleshdrive is Mallcom and as far I remember, they owe money to a lot of people. Just ask Roald when he was with Freeones (amusingly enough they still have Freeones as one of their main headers)

And when I tried to get in touch with them years ago, they didnt even have the courtesy to reply

and thats the people that complain about the business going down

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 09:49 AM

Quote:

For an industry built on unattainable fantasy, the fate of professional porn may lay in the hands of the actors who publicly reveal their most mundane thoughts and routines on social media.

Long gone are the days when looking at porn required digging through your father?s sock drawer, or worse, purchasing a nudie mag from the judgmental teen behind a shop?s counter. Now, pornographic images are freely accessible simply by turning off Google Safe Search. Internet piracy has left porn companies, like the movie and music industries, scrambling to attract a paying audience.

The profits of the porn industry have rapidly declined in the last 15 years, compelling actors to become more resourceful about finding outlets for their work, the BBC reports. To avoid losing their jobs, adult actors and companies are finding new ways to attract a fanbase.

http://torontostandard.com/industry/...r-salvation-1/

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton

sorry, but once again - those articles mostly focus on US-based/DVD (offline) centered companies

like

selling flash drives? seriously?

besides that - Fleshdrive is Mallcom and as far I remember, they owe money to a lot of people. Just ask Roald when he was with Freeones (amusingly enough they still have Freeones as one of their main headers)

And when I tried to get in touch with them years ago, they didnt even have the courtesy to reply

and thats the people that complain about the business going down

Yeah I'm sure if you nitpick every article you'll find something small wrong or something to ridicule, comment on a typo, etc. I'm not saying every article is perfect. But overall it seems the trend is clear to those who wish to see.

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 09:54 AM

Quote:

The trouble with pornography
Hard times
A big industry in northern Los Angeles is among the worst hit by the recession
Sep 10th 2009 | Los angeles | From the print edition

AFP

EVEN Nina Hartley, who became a pornographic actress in 1984 and continues to be one of its most sought-after performers at the age of 50, is feeling the recession. ?Last year I did a scene a week, this year I do a scene a month,? she says. As a sex celebrity, she has not dropped her fees, charging about $1,200 for a ?straight boy-girl? scene. But production has collapsed, and for younger performers so have prices.

The adult-film industry is concentrated in the San Fernando Valley??the Valley? to Angelenos?on the northern edge of Los Angeles, so the slump in porn is yet another factor depressing the local economy. Pornography had been immune to previous recessions, so the current downturn has come as a shock.

Most of the industry consists of small private production companies whose numbers are secret, but Mark Kernes, an editor at Adult Video News, a trade magazine, estimates that the American industry had some $6 billion in revenues in 2007, before the recession, mostly in DVD sales and rentals and some in internet subscriptions. Diane Duke, the director of the Free Speech Coalition, the adult industry's trade group, thinks that revenues have fallen 30-50% during the past year. ?One producer told me his revenue was down 80%,? she says.

If the Valley used to make 5,000-6,000 films a year, says Mr Kernes, it now makes perhaps 3,000-4,000. Some firms have shut down, others are consolidating or scraping by. For the 1,200 active performers in the Valley this means less action and more hardship. A young woman without Ms Hartley's name-recognition might have charged $1,000 for a straight scene before the crisis, but gets $800 or less now. Men are worse hit. If they averaged $500 for a straight scene in 2007, they are now lucky to get $300. For every performer there are several people in support, from sound-tech to catering and (yes) wardrobe, says Ms Duke, so the overall effect on the Valley economy is large.

The recession, moreover, has exacerbated a previous crisis. Piracy is the main problem. And the internet, with its copious free clips, is an increasingly viable alternative to the paid stuff. Pornography in general has become ?like potato chips, everywhere and cheap, to be consumed and tossed,? says Ms Hartley. It's not the same as in the golden age when she joined. ?The industry will shrink and stay shrunken,? she reckons.

http://www.economist.com/node/14416740

Markul · 03-16-2014, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Yes. That's exactly it, Markul. The dozen or so articles from industry and mainstream news sources which I have provided excerpts and links to is me refusing to give anything of value.

Ignorance is a bliss I guess. Show us your numbers. You are asking others to show theirs all the time, so why dont you start?

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markul

Ignorance is a bliss I guess. Show us your numbers. You are asking others to show theirs all the time, so why dont you start?

"Fuck off Markul."

MaDalton · 03-16-2014, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Yeah I'm sure if you nitpick every article you'll find something small wrong or something to ridicule, comment on a typo, etc. I'm not saying every article is perfect. But overall it seems the trend is clear to those who wish to see.

so when you expect that everyone agrees with you, why bother coming here and post?

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 09:58 AM

Female friendly? ... faced with declining sales pornographers turn to female audience.
http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/life...1117-iji1.html

TheSquealer · 03-16-2014, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton

so when you expect that everyone agrees with you, why bother coming here and post?

He has this odd, manic drive to rationalize his own failure. Thats why he isn't interested in anything that contradicts the pre-determined narrative "everything is bad and only getting worse".

I am posting while working on PPC campaigns. He is posting while looking for more articles to twist to prove his narrative correct.

Imagine where your company would be if you woke up each day with that attitude. It's interesting to watch. A guy devotes his life to failure, proving failure, dissecting failure, ranting about failure, obsessing on failure... then can't figure out why he's failing. If he's not blaming tubes, he's accusing programs of stealing from him.

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton

so when you expect that everyone agrees with you, why bother coming here and post?

No I agreed with you. Like I said I'm sure if you nitpick the two dozen articles you will find a typo, something silly in them, etc. But the trend overall is clear.

MaDalton · 03-16-2014, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

No I agreed with you. Like I said I'm sure if you nitpick the two dozen articles you will find a typo, something silly in them, etc. But the trend overall is clear.

i start to think you are Paul Markham - he also likes to put words into other peoples mouths

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 10:06 AM

Quote:

As 20,000 adult industry figures -- from porn stars to film distributors to ardent fans -- descend on Las Vegas for the annual AVN Adult Entertainment Expo that runs through Saturday, those in the pleasure business are talking most about ways to fight rampant piracy and adjusting to a new Los Angeles city ordinance requiring performers to wear condoms while at work.

Both are seen as threats to the financial health of an industry said to produce about $8 billion per year in revenue.

Fighting piracy is the norm now for anyone in the entertainment business, adult or otherwise.

Steven Hirsch, founder and co-chairman of industry giant Vivid Entertainment, for instance, goes after websites that illegally post his content. But he acknowledges that victories are usually short-lived. A clip removed from one site usually goes right back up on another.

"It's certainly an issue that needs to be dealt with," he said. "We are against piracy as is everyone else. I do understand the First Amendment argument as well."

One reason piracy is especially damaging to the adult industry is that users often need only five minutes of film to get the job done, Hirsch said, without defining the job in question. It's easier to steal a five-minute clip than a 90-minute movie made for theatrical release, he noted.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/busines...ndom-ordinance

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Fans are the multibillion-dollar industry's lifeblood, but in a strange twist, they're also part of its biggest problem.

"I don't know how they make money," said porn consumer Steve Curely. "I'm a cheap bastard. ... Why pay when you don't have to?"

Paul Fishbein, the publisher of Adult Video News, the industry's largest trade publication, said his business is in trouble.

"The very technology that helped bring the business into the 21st century is also killing it," he said. "It's hard to sell to certain consumers when they can get stuff for free."

It used to be that making money from new technology was the adult industry's biggest advantage. From VHS and DVDs to the early days of the Internet and even mobile devices, pornographers have led the way in creating capital from new forms of distribution.

But being at the forefront of Internet profit-making has made the industry vulnerable to losses from Internet piracy.

"It's a huge issue and it's something that the entire industry is looking at -- and not only the adult industry, but I think Hollywood is looking at it as well," said Steve Hirsch, a top porn producer and founder of Vivid Entertainment.

Hirsch, who has helped make porn mainstream, used to worry about protecting his right to make adult films. Now, he worries about protecting himself from piracy.

"We have two full-time people -- all they do is they're out there on the Internet looking for pirated content," he said. "When they find it, we send a notice, it comes down, then it goes back up and it's sort of a cat-and-mouse game."

Several people ABC News spoke to at the AVN Awards estimated their profits were down 25 percent as a result of piracy and a glut of free content.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/porn...ory?id=9795710

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 10:14 AM

Quote:

How Big Is Porn?

Recently, much attention has been lavished on the pornography industry?as a business?and many have claimed it is large and profitable, especially on the Internet. Many of the claims are cut from whole cloth, but are accepted without question by the legitimate press.

Skepticism is in order, though, because as David Klatell, associate dean of the Columbia Graduate School of Journalism notes, ?[Pornography] is an industry where they exaggerate the size of everything.? The fact is pornography, or ?adult entertainment,? is as marginal now as it ever was.

Quote:

All told, the adult video business takes in anywhere from one-tenth to one-half the figure proffered by Adult Video News. Certainly, self-interested statements by pornographers merit a second look.

http://www.forbes.com/2001/05/25/0524porn.html

ITraffic · 03-16-2014, 10:17 AM

no one cares.

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 10:19 AM

Quote:

This time in the adult industry, though, it may be different, partly because of the current conditions and partly because of the drift by consumers toward new options.

?They are definitely struggling,? said Jack Kyser, an economist with the LACEDC. ?They are subject to piracy like the mainstream industry is, and that siphons revenue away. Then there are a lot of amateurs in the online industry, which is growing rapidly, and they don?t charge for it.

?The industry is really seeing a change in their business model.?

AVN Media Network, the most prominent overseer of the business, publishes trade publications for the adult entertainment industry and puts on trade shows. Paul Fishbein, chairman of AVN, is entering his 27th year in the business, ?and this is the first time I can honestly say the adult business is not recession-proof.?

?Everybody I?m talking to says the business is down anywhere from 20 to 30 percent,? he explained. ?That?s in line with the rest of the economy. People in the retail sector are down anywhere from 10 to 40 percent.?

Why buy the cow ...
While the recession has something to do with it, Fishbein said, the availability of cheaply made adult fare online is cutting into the cash flow for traditional outlets and establishments.

?There?s enough free porn on the Internet that, if you don?t care about quality, you can get what you want,? Fishbein said. ?Plus the DVD business put out 13,000 new releases last year. That?s just too much.

Slideshow: Celebrity Sightings ?There?s too much stuff out there. The economy is bad. And there is a lot of free porn. So it?s a perfect storm that is affecting everybody?s business.?

http://www.today.com/id/28737244/ns/...mping-economy/

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ITraffic

no one cares.

That's why you are replying and the same people always come in to bicker when such information gets posted.

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Web sites like RedTube and PornHub allow users to view pirated porn videos for free.

Porn mogul Jay Quinlan really hates when people on the Internet steal his intellectual property.

At a panel this week at the ?XBIZ State of the Industry Conference,? Quinlan, tattoo-covered vice president of a company that owns three adult entertainment pay Web sites, struggled to contain his anger over seeing videos from his pages being illegally posted on YouTube-esque porn hubs.

?The people stealing this stuff should be brought out to the back room and shot,? he said. ?I mean, who wouldn?t want to watch free porn? I don?t think people are that picky about their masturbation habits. So every year that goes by now, there are new people ? especially younger people ? watching adult content who think that porn is free. And it?s not good.?

YouTube has an answer in the porn industry, and it?s called "Tube." Web sites like RedTube and PornHub allow users to upload and view an unlimited selection of mostly illegal porn videos for free, and it has devastated the porn industry.

The adult business, already struggling from free, user-generated porn on the Internet, saw a 22 percent steep decline in DVD sales and rentals last year, more than twice that of Hollywood, according to a Hustler press release at the conference.

The issue hit mainstream media in December of 2007, when leading porn producer Vivid Entertainment Group filed a lawsuit against Porno Tube, alleging the site profited from its copyrighted material. Like with Napster, it made little difference.

The free sites are still wildly popular today. Alexa, a web information company that ranks the top global sites on the web by traffic, on Thursday had ranked YouPorn at #35 and RedTube at #49, both above CNN?s Web site, which was #50 and #72 Apple.com. (LINK)

http://www.thewrap.com/media/article...s-profits-1394

Markul · 03-16-2014, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

"Fuck off Markul."

If you say so Paul

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 10:24 AM

Quote:

You know our economy is in really deep trouble when no one spends money on pr0n.

Sure, people once believed the adult entertainment industry was recession proof, as porno movies, at a certain point, actually made more money than legitimate Hollywood flicks.   

Adult industry needs a stimulus planComparing it to the alcohol industry, the ubiquitous Ron Jeremy said, "When times are good you drink, when times are bad you drink."   

But now reports are surfacing that since taking a slide several years ago, the X-rated biz still hasn't recovered.

"Americans Consuming Less Pornography" read the headline in the Hollywood Reporter, and the story also tells us that revenue in 2010 has gone down from $899 million from $1 billion in 2008. What's hit the adult industry is what's also hit the music business and mainstream Hollywood: people taking content for free.

According to an earlier report in the L.A. Times, adult pay per view went down 50%, and one porn star, Savanah Stern, told the Times where she was once making $1,000 per sex scene, she was down to $700 a scene, and where her yearly income was $150,000 a year, she was now down to $50,000 a year.

Back in 2007, I spoke to Bill Asher, President of Vivid Entertainment Group, and he said movie pirating was then already a problem in the adult biz.

"If you go to these sites that have video sharing, the number one product on the site is adult, the number one brand of adult that's being shared, or stolen if you will, is Vivid. So it's always been a big issue for us.

"But our take on it is a little more like independent bands think," Asher continues. "Until these sites get shut down, we'd rather there be Vivid content on there. Let people get a taste for our movies. For us, it's good advertising. With adult, remember we're putting out a new movie every four days, so what you pirate today will be out of date four days from now."   

Two years later, Asher told L.A. Times reporter Ben Fritz, "It had never crossed our minds that we'd be competing with people who just give it away for free."

Another problem that may have hurt the adult industry is over exposure.  

http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-ent...-stimulus-plan

Sly · 03-16-2014, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

That's why you are replying and the same people always come in to bicker when such information gets posted.

It makes more sense for them to defend an industry that they make a living on, than it does for you to go on and on about an industry that you claim to have moved on from.

I just do it because I can't let affiliates know there is no more money!

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Porn Is Not a $4 Billion Industry. Think Before You Swallow.

While in the midst of a report sharing the facts and quelling the irritating telephone game that always starts following a report of adult industry disease "outbreaks," I came across a dear friend.

"The $4 billion industry..."

I pressed pause on my boom box (today's a Hot Chip day, following Friday's rad show at the Hollywood Bowl), finished my Red Bull (sugar free, duh) and hit up my buddy Kristen Kaye, executive director of business development at adult trade organization XBIZ.

"They're using that old number again," I told her. She chuckled.

Quote:

"That year [2001] was just the beginning of a highly profitable decade for adult entertainment companies up until the past couple years where revenue has been down virtually across the board as a result of free porn on the internet, tube sites, piracy and oversaturation," Javors said.

Though media outlets still reference the multi-billion-dollar numbers (understandably so - what else is there to quote?), keep in mind that regardless of how many surveys were sent out or on-the-record conversations were recorded, there's no way to truly know how much money adult companies make.

"The adult industry has always been a private realm founded by and structured around savvy business minds who founded sex-centric companies as million-dollar side projects," Kaye told AfterDarkLA. "It's all about perception - whether they're making a dollar or 14 billion, no smart business owners will reveal true numbers."

The industry is like a big men's locker room. We're all sitting in the steam room with towels covering our junk sharing our trysts from the weekend. You'll never know if Jim actually banged a Laker Girl AND won the lottery doing doggy style, but he certainly looks like a stud and is wearing a new watch, so you give him the benefit of the doubt.

http://www.laweekly.com/afterdark/20...re-you-swallow

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly

It makes more sense for them to defend an industry that they make a living on, than it does for you to go on and on about an industry that you claim to have moved on from.

I just do it because I can't let affiliates know there is no more money!

As I said many times before I am still in the industry. I just do no further work with pay sites as an affiliate as there is no future in it given the state of the industry and piracy/free content.

Lying and pretending you have a 12 inch dick doesn't make it true. You can't defend the industry by pretending. When you do that you are only hurting it.

What I am posting is the truth. If someone wants to refute it, please do. But you can't do that by calling me names or questioning my motives and making snide comments. At least I won't accept that.

Markul · 03-16-2014, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

As I said many times before I am still in the industry.

How about proving that for us all ?

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 10:36 AM

Quote:

For many years, the adult entertainment industry was on the vanguard of technological innovation. Companies in the pornography have for years used the latest technologies to distribute their content, beginning with VHS tapes in the 1980s and evolving with the birth of the Internet in the 1990s.

However, in many ways, the adult entertainment industry is facing many of the same problems as the music and movie industries.

Now that all media content can be digitized, reduced to a series of ones and zeroes and transferred instantly over the Internet, issues of piracy and falling revenue streams are beginning to hamper the pornography business.

?It?s hard to sell a product [porn] that a lot of people don?t think they should have to pay for anymore,? Allison Vivas, chief executive of Arizona-based adult entertainment company Pink Visual, said during a panel discussion at the Mesh technology conference in Toronto on Wednesday.

http://business.financialpost.com/20...e-digital-age/

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Nobody pays for porn anymore: A tale of a sad-sack expo

This is the Adult Entertainment Expo. Held every January in Las Vegas, it?s a loud, glitzy celebration of America?s most recession-proof industry. Well, at least it used to be. In recent years, exhibitors at the Expo have been slowly vanishing. ?It feels like the industry is deteriorating,? says one adult star. ?It?s sad.?

The reason? Nobody pays for porn anymore. Over the past five years, adult studios have seen their revenues plummet as more of their viewers turn to pirated porn uploaded onto ?porn tube sites,? the X-rated cousins of YouTube. With only a few clicks, anybody with an internet connection can stream bootlegged content that used to cost them $25 and a trip to the adult video store.

X-rated tube sites were first launched about five years ago with the idea that it could be a place for exhibitionist couples to post homemade sex tapes. Soon, the sites began overflowing with illegally-uploaded videos from professional studios. Propped up by pirated content, porn tube sites now make up four of the world?s top 100 most visited websites. Blame the college students, say porn producers. While baby boomers were happy to plunk down $40 or $50 for a blue movie now and then, the next generation of internet-savvy porn users is used to getting such things for free.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/01...sad-sack-expo/

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markul

How about proving that for us all ?

I shouldn't have to (the thousands of industry posts I've made should prove it) and shouldn't even be responding but I guess I can scan in a check or something with the personal information blacked out. The only thing is if I do that you have to agree to pay $100 for every post you made in this thread + every future post (so you have to pay $100 each time you post here in this topic) to the charity of my choice within 72 hours and provide a receipt. Deal?

I think I know what will happen you will go on and on bickering about things with this and it'll never be good enough. So I think I'm playing into the troll but I'll offer you the chance here. Yes or no?

Markul · 03-16-2014, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I shouldn't have to (the thousands of industry posts I've made should prove it) and shouldn't even be responding but I guess I can scan in a check or something with the personal information blacked out. The only thing is if I do that you have to agree to pay $100 for every post you made in this thread + every future post (so you have to pay $100 each time you post here in this topic) to the charity of my choice within 72 hours and provide a receipt. Deal?

I think I know what will happen you will go on and on bickering about things with this and it'll never be good enough. So I think I'm playing into the troll but I'll offer you the chance here. Yes or no?

Hahaha you must be joking. Why would I want to see a check? Show me a site of yours. And no. I will not pay for it lol. Just show us all that you actually do something other than whine.

signupdamnit · 03-16-2014, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markul

Hahaha you must be joking. Why would I want to see a check? Show me a site of yours. And no. I will not pay for it lol. Just show us all that you actually do something other than whine.

Then it looks like you believe I'm in the industry after all.

03-15-2014, 04:20 PM	#103
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,094	Not "other people". Mostly I'm calling you a loser. __________________ . Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens. Rochard

03-16-2014, 08:10 AM	#118
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,094	Not sure why i have this intense fascination with peoples denial. Denial that comes at a an obvious direct and significant cost to the individual. __________________ . Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens. Rochard

03-16-2014, 09:58 AM	#129
signupdamnit Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,697	Female friendly? ... faced with declining sales pornographers turn to female audience. http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/life...1117-iji1.html __________________ You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

03-15-2014, 04:41 PM	#107
Markul Likes Pie Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The land that liberated porn Posts: 12,401	I am not mad. I just do not understand this obsession of yours. But I asked before and I will ask again. If you somehow manage to convince the majority of the industry that we are all in deep shit and we all agree to do something. What do you propose we do? That debate would seem more productive..

03-16-2014, 10:17 AM	#136
ITraffic Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,725	no one cares.