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Sexier · 04-14-2014, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Oh...ok, then we are all blind here and hallucinating.

meanwhile

http://rt.com/business/russian-banks...ampaign=chrome

Those can be used worldwide or only in Russia?

Sid70 · 04-14-2014, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sexier

Those can be used worldwide or only in Russia?

I believe Russia only.

_Richard_ · 04-14-2014, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid70

Fuck knows, I'd call them hooligans, Nazies is way way different. There are no Nazies in Ukraine that anyone could consider a real force, that 'Nazi' level can be found anywhere, I'd say that imperial Russia is a host of Russian Nazism.

odd that they'd be coming from west to east, rather than the other way around.

just a punk · 04-14-2014, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dehash

What if Miami decide to do referendum and join Cuba?

Then we'll see if the US democracy is real or it's just a fake and fairytale

directfiesta · 04-14-2014, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dehash

What if Miami decide to do referendum and join Cuba?

hummm... lets flip that :

What if Cuba had a referendum and wanted to join the USA ?

evy97 · 04-14-2014, 01:01 PM

Interesting evening:

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#Euromaidan activists are discussing whether to storm #Ukraine's parliament and bring down what they perceive as a corrupt/failing govt

https://twitter.com/StateOfUkraine/s...96807474622464

just a punk · 04-14-2014, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by evy97

Interesting evening:

https://twitter.com/StateOfUkraine/s...96807474622464

Every time when you don't understand what's going on and when you don't know what to do, always burn tires, storm parliament and overthrow your government!

P.S. Ukrainians surely deserved to be a part of the EU

MrDeiz · 04-14-2014, 02:19 PM

Donetsk region guerillas have killed 10 ruskie or proruskie militaries at blockpost

VKcams · 04-14-2014, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDeiz

Donetsk region guerillas have killed 10 ruskie or proruskie militaries at blockpost

They killed 1 disarmed armenian.

youtube.com/watch?v=Lyxh0AZBLvg

_Richard_ · 04-14-2014, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by VKcams

They killed 1 disarmed armenian.

youtube.com/watch?v=Lyxh0AZBLvg

cliff notes?

VKcams · 04-14-2014, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

cliff notes?

No other reports here: rusvesna.su

directfiesta · 04-14-2014, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

- First, it is not an elected government
- No lives of '' your'' citizens were threatened, till the ruthless repression of the coup forces
- Plan B is managed by John Brennan , CIA director

Let those people have referendums and choose their own destiny.

BTW, what is the difference in the terms :
- insurgents
- terrorists
- rebels
- freedom fighters

???

Over the weekend, reports out of Russia said the director CIA, John Brennan, secretly flew to Kiev under an assumed name to influence the impending crackdown on pro-Russian protesters.

The CIA initially refused to confirm or deny whether Brennan had traveled to Ukraine. However, on Monday the White House conceded Brennan did travel to Ukraine, as part of a trip to Europe, but said it was ?absurd? to portray the visit as anything other than a routine attempt to foster security cooperation.

so much for Russia`s meddling ....

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ities-standoff

pornmasta · 04-14-2014, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDeiz

Ukraine special forces polices is firing at ruskie semi-military terrorists which try to invade eastern Ukrainian regions.

you mean like ianoukovitch ?

pornmasta · 04-14-2014, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by richmedia

MrDeiz propagate aggressive nationalistic point of view on GFY. Please ban him!

i disagree to understand this kind of events you need to know all the points of view

just a punk · 04-15-2014, 12:46 AM

Western Looting Of Ukraine Has Begun — Paul Craig Roberts

It is now apparent that the “Maiden protests” in Kiev were in actuality a Washington organized coup against the elected democratic government. The purpose of the coup is to put NATO military bases on Ukraine’s border with Russia and to impose an IMF austerity program that serves as cover for Western financial interests to loot the country. The sincere idealistic protesters who took to the streets without being paid were the gullible dupes of the plot to destroy their country.

Politically Ukraine is an untenable aggregation of Ukrainian and Russian territory, because traditional Russian territories were stuck into the borders of the Ukraine Soviet Republic by Lenin and Khrushchev. The Crimea, stuck into Ukraine by Khrushchev, has already departed and rejoined Russia. Unless some autonomy is granted to them, Russian areas in eastern and southern Ukraine might also depart and return to Russia. If the animosity displayed toward the Russian speaking population by the stooge government in Kiev continues, more defections to Russia are likely.

The Washington-imposed coup faces other possible difficulties from what seems to be a growing conflict between the well-organized Right Sector and the Washington-imposed stooges. If armed conflict between these two groups were to occur, Washington might conclude that it needs to send help to its stooges. The appearance of US/NATO troops in Ukraine would create pressure on Putin to occupy the remaining Russian speaking parts of Ukraine.

Before the political and geographical issues are settled, the Western looting of Ukraine has already begun. The Western media, doesn’t tell any more truth about IMF “rescue packages” than it does about anything else. The media reports, and many Ukrainians believe, that the IMF is going to rescue Ukraine financially by giving the country billions of dollars.

Ukraine will never see one dollar of the IMF money. What the IMF is going to do is to substitute Ukrainian indebtedness to the IMF for Ukrainian indebtedness to Western banks. The IMF will hand over the money to the Western banks, and the Western banks will reduce Ukraine’s indebtedness by the amount of IMF money. Instead of being indebted to the banks, Ukraine will now be indebted to the IMF.

Now the looting can begin. The IMF loan brings new conditions and imposes austerity on the Ukrainian people so that the Ukraine government can gather up the money with which to repay the IMF. The IMF conditions that will be imposed on the struggling Ukraine population will consist of severe reductions in old-age pensions, in government services, in government employment, and in subsidies for basic consumer purchases such as natural gas. Already low living standards will plummet. In addition, Ukrainian public assets and Ukrainian owned private industries will have to be sold off to Western purchasers.

Additionally, Ukraine will have to float its currency. In a futile effort to protect its currency’s value from being driven very low (and consequently import prices very high) by speculators ganging up on the currency and short-selling it, Ukraine will borrow more money with which to support its currency in the foreign exchange market. Of course, the currency speculators will end up with the borrowed money, leaving Ukraine much deeper in debt than currently.

The corruption involved is legendary, so the direct result of the gullible Maiden protesters will be lower Ukrainian living standards, more corruption, loss of sovereignty over the country’s economic policy, and the transfer of Ukrainian public and private property to Western interests.

If Ukraine also falls into NATO’s clutches, Ukraine will also find itself in a military alliance against Russia and find itself targeted by Russian missiles. This will be a tragedy for Ukraine and Russia as Ukrainians have relatives in Russia and Russians have relatives in Ukraine. The two countries have essentially been one for 200 years. To have them torn apart by Western looting and Washington’s drive for world hegemony is a terrible shame and a great crime.

The gullible dupes who participated in the orchestrated Maiden protests will rue it for the rest of their lives.

When the protests began, I described what the consequences would be and said that I
would explain the looting process. It is not necessary for me to do so. Professor Michel Chossudovsky has explained the IMF looting process along with much history here:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/regime-...dicine/5374877

One final word. Despite unequivocal evidence of one country after another being looted by the West, governments of indebted countries continue to sign up for IMF programs. Why do governments of countries continue to agree to the foreign looting of their populations? The only answer is that they are paid. The corruption that is descending upon Ukraine will make the former regime look honest.

Paul Craig Roberts

source: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014...craig-roberts/

Sexier · 04-15-2014, 12:58 AM

Did you do a search on Paul Craig Roberts before copy and paste what he writes?

if not you should, a guy that envisioned the end of the world a few times which never happened cant be given much credit.

Regarding IMF they helped Ireland, Portugal and Greece to avoid bankruptcy.

Ireland is out of IMF as they repaid their loan back
Portugal will be out next June if not mistaken

Only Greece remains because their problems were bigger then their pockets but they are recovering.

IMF is not the best thing for a country to ask for help but sometimes it cant be avoided.

evy97 · 04-16-2014, 01:38 AM

Video of Ukrainian APCs defection: "Army with the people"

Defecting Ukraine troops: "We haven't had anything decent to eat for weeks. Kiev has forgotten us."

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...-a-964690.html

..... and future CNN & BBC news: Russian Army enters Ukraine

just a punk · 04-16-2014, 01:47 AM

Yeah, that's definitely a Russian army on rusty Ukrainian BMP-1 made in 1965

femdomdestiny · 04-16-2014, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by evy97

Video of Ukrainian APCs defection: "Army with the people"

Defecting Ukraine troops: "We haven't had anything decent to eat for weeks. Kiev has forgotten us."

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...-a-964690.html

..... and future CNN & BBC news: Russian Army enters Ukraine

Oh I just wanted to paste this but you already did it.

http://translate.google.com/translat... _id%3D837281

Hopefully, there will be no war. Ukrainians .(I mean new nazi government) don't have enough people to control anything. Army will split just like in this example or like it was in Crimea. They should learn on Yugoslav example where all this can go.

evy97 · 04-16-2014, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Sexier

Did you do a search on Paul Craig Roberts before copy and paste what he writes?

if not you should, a guy that envisioned the end of the world a few times which never happened cant be given much credit.

Regarding IMF they helped Ireland, Portugal and Greece to avoid bankruptcy.

Ireland is out of IMF as they repaid their loan back
Portugal will be out next June if not mistaken

Only Greece remains because their problems were bigger then their pockets but they are recovering.

IMF is not the best thing for a country to ask for help but sometimes it cant be avoided.

Aren't you forgetting something?
Ireland, Portugal and Greece = EU and EURO zone members and the people were relatively "wealthy" they had saved money.
Ukraine = No EU, EURO, people are poor.

What will happen in Ukraine -> http://www.thenation.com/article/179...another-greece

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The IMF conditions for Ukraine won?t include any debt relief, and unlike the European Union-IMF bailout for Cyprus, they won?t impose any haircuts on the country?s creditors. Instead, the IMF recipe hinges on cuts to subsidies and social services and a floating exchange rate that will sink purchasing power even further. Kiev has already started to implement all of these measures. According to economists, the result will be growing poverty, reduced social benefits and an extended recession

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Ordinary people will be the undisputed losers in Ukraine, since they?ll pay for the so-called reform program rather than the oligarchs who continue to freely move billions of dollars to offshore tax havens. The biggest winners will be currency speculators; Western banks whose loans will be repaid via austerity measures; and European corporations who will gain access to the country?s markets and cheap Ukrainian labor under an EU association agreement set to be signed in May.

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In the first ?prior action? for the IMF loan, Ukraine?s state-controlled natural gas provider Naftogaz raised its subsidized gas prices for consumers by 50 percent starting May 1. (Gas and heating prices will increase by 120 percent over the next four years, Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk said last week.) According to Kiselyov, even more painful will be the accompanying 40 percent gas price hike for local heating companies. Starting on July 1, this will raise the average cost of heating a standard fifty-square-meter apartment from about 200 hryvnia to 280 hryvnia (from $18 to $25) per month. It?s a significant hit, considering that the average monthly wage in Ukraine is only about 3,150 hryvnia ($275), more than half of which typically goes toward food, Kiselyov said.

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The second step in the austerity program came into effect on Tuesday? a law raising property and excise taxes and cutting social expenditures. The cuts include a 10 percent reduction in pensions for former government employees, decreased benefits for families with newborns and reduced numbers of law enforcement and state prosecutor employees.

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Finally, a budget law signed on Tuesday increases government borrowing, while freezing the minimum wage and cutting the pension fund by 4 percent. In addition, Yatsenyuk said that despite rising prices, the poverty line won?t be increased this year, meaning the numerous social benefits based on that index will also be frozen.

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But the most painful of the IMF demands is a free-floating exchange rate that?s already being implemented, which will contribute to soaring inflation. Estimates continue to be revised: the National Bank of Ukraine is now forecasting inflation of 12 to 16 percent this year, and the Royal Bank of Scotland now predicts the hryvnia will fall to 12.5 on the dollar by the end of the year, after starting at 8.23

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The IMF?s most immediate concern, as former World Bank chief economist and Nobel Prize winner Joseph Stiglitz has said, is making sure Western financial institutions are paid back. European banks reportedly have more than $23 billion in outstanding loans in Ukraine, and US banks have more than $1.5 billion in outstanding loans there.

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Meanwhile, currency speculators will be able to profit from fluctuations in the hryvnia. And multinational corporations stand to benefit from privatization of those state assets that haven?t already been sold off. The IMF statement?s goals of ?attracting new investment? to the energy sector and ?restructuring? of Naftogaz hint at privatization to come, and government officials have dutifully responded with proposals to sell off coal mines and parts of the gas company.

USD/UAH

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It almost seems unfair to burden a country with so many problems, but while the attention of Ukraine?s government has been focused on thwarting Russian efforts to destabilize the east the economy has continued to deteriorate rapidly. In a desperate effort to head off inflation (which in March alone was over 3%) and protect the value of the Hryvnia, the Ukrainian central bank hiked its main interest rate from 6.5 to 9.5%. As reported by Bloomberg, the central bank also raised its overnight rate on refinancing loans secured with Ukrainian state securities to 14.5 percent from 7.5 percent and its rate on overnight certificates of deposit to 4.5 percent from 1.5 percent.

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The central bank was forced to take such desperate measures because the currency has been in free fall, losing more than 35% of its value against the dollar this year.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadom...ring-collapse/

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But even if the situation in Eastern Ukraine doesn?t entirely spin out of control, the country?s economy has already unraveled to the point that a substantial default is now essentially unavoidable. Moody's MCO -0.41% recently downgraded Ukraine?s sovereign debt from ?extremely speculative? to ?default imminent with little prospect for recovery.?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadom...ng-to-default/

Oh, so called American aid

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In our March 5 post, we argued that the Obama administration linking Ukraine aid to IMF reform was disingenuous and counterproductive. We were right: the legislation failed, congressional Republicans were angered, foreign governments were annoyed, and aid was delayed. All for what? Without IMF reform, Ukraine will still get every penny it would have gotten with IMF reform.

Brazilian IMF executive director Paulo Nogueira Batista told the FT that he had wanted the Fund to approve a small bridging loan to Ukraine quickly, with negotiation of the bigger package coming later under less stress. ?The experience we had in some other programmes ? notably Greece ? is that rushed decisions taken under economic and political pressure can lead to questionable results.? But, he explained, Ukraine?s short-term financing needs were greater than the IMF could have covered with a bridging loan. The U.S. loan guarantees could have covered the difference, but the Obama administration unwisely made them hostage to IMF reform.

The scorecard? No IMF reform; an unnecessarily rushed IMF aid package for Ukraine, but with slower aid dispersal; and ruffled feathers all around. This is an object lesson in how not to conduct economic diplomacy.

http://blogs.cfr.org/geographics/201...amateur-032814

Hopefully, Russia will invade Ukraine and all shit will be their problem not ours. Ukrainians are fucking freeloaders - http://translate.google.com/translat...tml&edit-text=

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just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,381	Western Looting Of Ukraine Has Begun — Paul Craig Roberts It is now apparent that the “Maiden protests” in Kiev were in actuality a Washington organized coup against the elected democratic government. The purpose of the coup is to put NATO military bases on Ukraine’s border with Russia and to impose an IMF austerity program that serves as cover for Western financial interests to loot the country. The sincere idealistic protesters who took to the streets without being paid were the gullible dupes of the plot to destroy their country. Politically Ukraine is an untenable aggregation of Ukrainian and Russian territory, because traditional Russian territories were stuck into the borders of the Ukraine Soviet Republic by Lenin and Khrushchev. The Crimea, stuck into Ukraine by Khrushchev, has already departed and rejoined Russia. Unless some autonomy is granted to them, Russian areas in eastern and southern Ukraine might also depart and return to Russia. If the animosity displayed toward the Russian speaking population by the stooge government in Kiev continues, more defections to Russia are likely. The Washington-imposed coup faces other possible difficulties from what seems to be a growing conflict between the well-organized Right Sector and the Washington-imposed stooges. If armed conflict between these two groups were to occur, Washington might conclude that it needs to send help to its stooges. The appearance of US/NATO troops in Ukraine would create pressure on Putin to occupy the remaining Russian speaking parts of Ukraine. Before the political and geographical issues are settled, the Western looting of Ukraine has already begun. The Western media, doesn’t tell any more truth about IMF “rescue packages” than it does about anything else. The media reports, and many Ukrainians believe, that the IMF is going to rescue Ukraine financially by giving the country billions of dollars. Ukraine will never see one dollar of the IMF money. What the IMF is going to do is to substitute Ukrainian indebtedness to the IMF for Ukrainian indebtedness to Western banks. The IMF will hand over the money to the Western banks, and the Western banks will reduce Ukraine’s indebtedness by the amount of IMF money. Instead of being indebted to the banks, Ukraine will now be indebted to the IMF. Now the looting can begin. The IMF loan brings new conditions and imposes austerity on the Ukrainian people so that the Ukraine government can gather up the money with which to repay the IMF. The IMF conditions that will be imposed on the struggling Ukraine population will consist of severe reductions in old-age pensions, in government services, in government employment, and in subsidies for basic consumer purchases such as natural gas. Already low living standards will plummet. In addition, Ukrainian public assets and Ukrainian owned private industries will have to be sold off to Western purchasers. Additionally, Ukraine will have to float its currency. In a futile effort to protect its currency’s value from being driven very low (and consequently import prices very high) by speculators ganging up on the currency and short-selling it, Ukraine will borrow more money with which to support its currency in the foreign exchange market. Of course, the currency speculators will end up with the borrowed money, leaving Ukraine much deeper in debt than currently. The corruption involved is legendary, so the direct result of the gullible Maiden protesters will be lower Ukrainian living standards, more corruption, loss of sovereignty over the country’s economic policy, and the transfer of Ukrainian public and private property to Western interests. If Ukraine also falls into NATO’s clutches, Ukraine will also find itself in a military alliance against Russia and find itself targeted by Russian missiles. This will be a tragedy for Ukraine and Russia as Ukrainians have relatives in Russia and Russians have relatives in Ukraine. The two countries have essentially been one for 200 years. To have them torn apart by Western looting and Washington’s drive for world hegemony is a terrible shame and a great crime. The gullible dupes who participated in the orchestrated Maiden protests will rue it for the rest of their lives. When the protests began, I described what the consequences would be and said that I would explain the looting process. It is not necessary for me to do so. Professor Michel Chossudovsky has explained the IMF looting process along with much history here: http://www.globalresearch.ca/regime-...dicine/5374877 One final word. Despite unequivocal evidence of one country after another being looted by the West, governments of indebted countries continue to sign up for IMF programs. Why do governments of countries continue to agree to the foreign looting of their populations? The only answer is that they are paid. The corruption that is descending upon Ukraine will make the former regime look honest. Paul Craig Roberts source: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014...craig-roberts/ __________________ Obey the Cowgod

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evy97 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Slovakia Posts: 482	Video of Ukrainian APCs defection: "Army with the people" Defecting Ukraine troops: "We haven't had anything decent to eat for weeks. Kiev has forgotten us." http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...-a-964690.html ..... and future CNN & BBC news: Russian Army enters Ukraine