Why does the white need 23 helicopters costing 17 billion? - GoFuckYourself.com

Vendzilla · 05-09-2014, 03:46 PM

Yeah, I understand why the president needs a high end helicopter and other things, but at this price, (400 million each) do they really need 23 of them?

http://news.yahoo.com/obamas-20-bill...-politics.html

I meant to say white house

SilentKnight · 05-09-2014, 04:01 PM

First rule of spending - if you don't use up that $17 billion somehow...it's tough to ask for it again next year in the budget.

Dvae · 05-09-2014, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Yeah, I understand why the president needs a high end helicopter and other things, but at this price, (400 million each) do they really need 23 of them?

http://news.yahoo.com/obamas-20-bill...-politics.html

I meant to say white house

Its not his money so he could care less.

Lets see how long before the usual suspects say its not his fault.

Dvae · 05-09-2014, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

First rule of spending - if you don't use up that $17 billion somehow...it's tough to ask for it again next year in the budget.

Unfortunately thats the mentality of the "big governments" types.

BareBacked · 05-09-2014, 04:31 PM

yes he needs shit to post on instagram to impress the other presidents

MaDalton · 05-09-2014, 04:32 PM

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 05-09-2014, 04:41 PM

Didn't realize they fly so many decoy choppers...could probably cut costs on the decoys quite a bit.

The Military-Industrial complex is quite a racket, and quite lucrative to those who know how to work it.

ADG

dyna mo · 05-09-2014, 05:03 PM

Obama's take charge/give a shit reply to hearing about the cost of the new fleet:

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?The helicopter I have seems perfectly adequate to me," Obama said. "Of course, I've never had a helicopter before. Maybe I've been deprived and I didn't know it.?

that guy stopped caring a long time ago.

Fat Panda · 05-09-2014, 05:14 PM

this program was started by a gop president, a gop congress and a gop senate

but its obamas fault

go figure

Fat Panda · 05-09-2014, 05:21 PM

oh shit i forgot amerikans are fucking stupid

carry on

deltav · 05-09-2014, 05:25 PM

You're obsessed dude.

American Psycho · 05-09-2014, 05:36 PM

I bet it got a pretty nice toilet for taking big stinky shit

Just Alex · 05-09-2014, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Panda

this program was started by a gop president, a gop congress and a gop senate

but its obamas fault

go figure

No shit. When Bush was buying those he was just fine, now that its Obama

Me think he is racist

seeandsee · 05-09-2014, 05:38 PM

who is paying this shit, o h yea a printing machine

blackmonsters · 05-09-2014, 05:56 PM

If I read the shit posted here about him everyday I'd have even more choppers plus drones.

dyna mo · 05-09-2014, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Panda

this program was started by a gop president, a gop congress and a gop senate

but its obamas fault

go figure

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Originally Posted by Fat Panda

oh shit i forgot amerikans are fucking stupid

carry on

At least we can fucking read a linked article that clearly states this program began >2009.

fucking dipshit.

kane · 05-09-2014, 06:29 PM

According to this Threats against the president have increased 400% since Obama took office and his protection detail is stretched thin because he gets more than 30 death threats per day.

Others say that isn't true. I guess only the Secret Service knows.

If it is true, maybe they felt the need for the increased security.

Joshua G · 05-09-2014, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

The Military-Industrial complex is quite a racket

deltav · 05-09-2014, 06:31 PM

Would be far from the first military contract weighted down with bloat in order to make all the stakeholders money and political capital - this is common practice and a common result in the military-industrial complex. There are immense cost overruns for underperforming and often unnecessary vehicles and weapons systems all the time and under every administration, including some that make this look like pocket change. And some prior versions of this helicopter project were indeed spearheaded by a Republican administration, those too also faced spiraling costs and were ultimately cancelled with nothing whatsoever to show for it.

The only reason Vend brings this up is.... well... guess.

Robbie · 05-09-2014, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

According to this Threats against the president have increased 400% since Obama took office and his protection detail is stretched thin because he gets more than 30 death threats per day.
.

Just found this from 2009 that refutes that:

"U.S. Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan dismissed published reports that the level of death threats against President Obama are four times greater than typical threat levels against recent presidents ? claiming the current volume of threats is comparable to that under George W. Bush and Bill Clinton.

"It's not [a] 400 percent [increase]," Sullivan said during a heated exchange with Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-D.C.), who suggested the service needed additional agents to protect the first African-American president.

"I'm not sure where that number comes from," he said, adding that the number of threats against Obama "are the same level as it has been [against] the last two presidents.""

Robbie · 05-09-2014, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by deltav

Would be far from the first military contract weighted down with bloat in order to make all the stakeholders money and political capital - this is common practice and a common result in the military-industrial complex. There are immense cost overruns for underperforming and often unnecessary vehicles and weapons systems all the time and under every administration, including some that make this look like pocket change. And some prior versions of this helicopter project were indeed spearheaded by a Republican administration, those too also faced spiraling costs and were ultimately cancelled with nothing whatsoever to show for it.

The only reason Vend brings this up is.... well... guess.

I think it's because Pres. Obama campaigned in 2008 about changing all of this kind of thing.

It wasn't supposed to be "business as usual", and I know that every politician says that...but Pres. Obama was a very effective orator. I believed him in 2008 and voted for him.

Found out he's no different than the rest of these career/lifetime politicians.

Or maybe Vendzilla just hates black people?

beerptrol · 05-09-2014, 06:38 PM

Yes, yes! This is the first case in America's history that the government has over paid for military equipment.

kane · 05-09-2014, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Just found this from 2009 that refutes that:

"U.S. Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan dismissed published reports that the level of death threats against President Obama are four times greater than typical threat levels against recent presidents ? claiming the current volume of threats is comparable to that under George W. Bush and Bill Clinton.

"It's not [a] 400 percent [increase]," Sullivan said during a heated exchange with Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-D.C.), who suggested the service needed additional agents to protect the first African-American president.

"I'm not sure where that number comes from," he said, adding that the number of threats against Obama "are the same level as it has been [against] the last two presidents.""

Yep looks like the claim of higher threats came from a book a former secret service agent published, but the claims were never substantiated.

Robbie · 05-09-2014, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

Yep looks like the claim of higher threats came from a book a former secret service agent published, but the claims were never substantiated.

And refuted by the actual head of the secret service.

I remember when Clinton was President a guy jumping the fence and shooting at the White House.

And Bush? If anybody had a bullseye on them it had to be him. Al Queda wanted him dead BIG time. I bet that they will NEVER release actual statistics to the public about death threats to any President. But if we were to find out the real numbers, I'd bet Bush had the most of any recent President.

Hell, as hated as Bush is...I bet he STILL gets more death threats than Pres. Obama on a daily basis.

Vendzilla · 05-09-2014, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by deltav

The only reason Vend brings this up is.... well... guess.

Ok, why did I bring it up, I mean I never said Obama did I?

Makes you look like a moron that can't read?

I have to ask, can anyone understand the OP?

I never said anything about the price, I understand that, what I don't understand is why so many?

Why does he need or the presidents after him need 23 helicopters?

And what's with the dip shits saying this is a GOP thing, are you fucking morons?

Vendzilla · 05-09-2014, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

Just found this from 2009 that refutes that:

"U.S. Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan dismissed published reports that the level of death threats against President Obama are four times greater than typical threat levels against recent presidents ? claiming the current volume of threats is comparable to that under George W. Bush and Bill Clinton.

"It's not [a] 400 percent [increase]," Sullivan said during a heated exchange with Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-D.C.), who suggested the service needed additional agents to protect the first African-American president.

"I'm not sure where that number comes from," he said, adding that the number of threats against Obama "are the same level as it has been [against] the last two presidents.""

How many people are employed by the Secret Service?

The Secret Service employs approximately 3,200 special agents, 1,300 Uniformed Division officers, and more than 2,000 other technical, professional and administrative support personnel.

Fat Panda · 05-09-2014, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

At least we can fucking read a linked article that clearly states this program began >2009.

fucking dipshit.

typical obtuse amerikan sheep

program started in 2002 and the initial contract was awarded in 2005

Fat Panda · 05-09-2014, 08:04 PM

oh ya and nobama ended that program in 2009

fuck are amerikans stupid

2MuchMark · 05-09-2014, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Panda

this program was started by a gop president, a gop congress and a gop senate

but its obamas fault

go figure

Facts mean nothing to Vendzilla and other republicans like him. He probably believes that Al-Qaeda is run by the Pentagon and other things his pal Alex Jones says. What? Don't believe me? Here ya go : http://www.infowars.com/al-qaeda-100-pentagon-run/

Anyway, here's what Vendzilla forgot to tell you.

- The helicopters uses now are over 10 years old. They were ordered replaced back in 2002 but the program was put on hold twice, one time by Obama himself back in 2008.

- The new Helicopters won't be completed and ready to fly until at least 2020, with the production completing in 2023, way past the time President Obama can make use of them (He's out in less than a year and half)

- The contract was awarded to Sikorsky Aircraft Corp, by the Naval Air Systems Command.

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Ok, why did I bring it up, I mean I never said Obama did I?

Makes you look like a moron that can't read?

Lol! You didn't say Obama, but you said THE PRESIDENT. Nice back-peddle attempt there, Mitt!

Fat Panda · 05-09-2014, 08:14 PM

i could give a flying fuck about dem gop or whatever people call themselves

real problem is 95% of amerikans are so fucking obtuse, apathetic and stupid its comical

Due · 05-09-2014, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Makes you look like a moron that can't read?

I never said anything about the price, I understand that, what I don't understand is why so many?

Why does he need or the presidents after him need 23 helicopters?

It say so right there in the article you posted entirely by yourself.

With that said, I would like to quote what you wrote.

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Makes you look like a moron that can't read?

Rochard · 05-09-2014, 09:10 PM

Of course Vendzilla is just drooling over this, but he didn't read anything.

The original contract was signed under President Bush in 2005, and was for $6 billion. The US government only paid $3 billion, and not a single aircraft was ever produced.

The new contract is for $1.24 billion and will most likely never be used by Obama. It's scheduled for 2016, but operational deployment most likely won't be until 2017 or 2018. That's fine, Hilary will get to enjoy it.

Barefootsies · 05-09-2014, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Of course Vendzilla is just drooling over this, but he didn't read anything.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 05-09-2014, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

The new contract is for $1.24 billion and will most likely never be used by Obama. It's scheduled for 2016, but operational deployment most likely won't be until 2017 or 2018.

That's fine, Hilary will get to enjoy it.

I wonder if Hill and Bill will have his and her Marine One choppers...

ADG

dyna mo · 05-10-2014, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Panda

typical obtuse amerikan sheep

program started in 2002 and the initial contract was awarded in 2005

keep trying dumbass, the proof you're a fucking dipshit is in the OP's link

that program was canceled in 2009 and was even for a different aircraft.

Look, it's clear you = dipshit that finger points at Americans, I couldn't give a shit, I just like rubbing your nose in that.

C H R I S · 05-10-2014, 12:24 AM

He passed by my house tqwice this week with 4 helicopters.. the big Hueys I think they call them.

Antonio · 05-10-2014, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

and if I were a President, this is how I would roll

dyna mo · 05-10-2014, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Panda

this program was started by a gop president, a gop congress and a gop senate

but its obamas fault

go figure

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Panda

oh ya and nobama ended that program in 2009

fuck are amerikans stupid

hah, so obama asked gates to cancel the initial project in 2008 due to the expense of the 13.5 billion $ project, so gates killed it with a $3.5 billion loss and no aircraft.

but obama shoulder shrugs the $17 billion project that replaces that and that's for fewer helicopters.

so instead of 28 choppers for $13.5b, we get 23 choppers for $20.5b,

and the American public is the dumbass here for pointing that out?

klinton · 05-10-2014, 12:53 AM

of course that they need it...if 22 of them will broke, he will still have the 23rd... jeez why u even asked, it is so obvious ?????

Emil · 05-10-2014, 01:39 AM

When you can milk the government for money, you'll do it.

Rochard · 05-10-2014, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I wonder if Hill and Bill will have his and her Marine One choppers...

ADG

Looks like it all right....

Rochard · 05-10-2014, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

hah, so obama asked gates to cancel the initial project in 2008 due to the expense of the 13.5 billion $ project, so gates killed it with a $3.5 billion loss and no aircraft.

but obama shoulder shrugs the $17 billion project that replaces that and that's for fewer helicopters.

so instead of 28 choppers for $13.5b, we get 23 choppers for $20.5b,

and the American public is the dumbass here for pointing that out?

But again no is reading the article... Obama boy signed off on $1.2 something billion, not $17 billion.

dyna mo · 05-10-2014, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

But again no is reading the article... Obama boy signed off on $1.2 something billion, not $17 billion.

HUh? You can't figure out what the article is stating so you think others didn't read it?

don't do that.

Moreover, there's plenty more out there than the OP article.

the 1.6B is for 6 prototype helicopters and simulators.

?This contract provides for the procurement of six test aircraft and the associated support equipment, integration of mature government-defined mission systems, a training system including a flight training device and a maintenance training device, logistics, engineering, and test and evaluation support,? according to the announcement.

read more, finger point less.

Program Status: Contract Awarded

The Navy awarded a $1,244,677,064 fixed-price incentive engineering and manufacturing development (EMD) contract, with production options, on May 7, 2014 to Sikorsky Aircraft Corporation. Initial fielding is planned for 2020, with production concluding in 2023.

Under the contract, Sikorsky will use its in-production S-92A aircraft and integrate government defined mission systems and install an executive interior. A total of six test aircraft will be produced during EMD. The production options will produce an additional 17 aircraft in three lots, resulting in a total procurement of 23 aircraft. Four of the six test articles produced during EMD will become operational aircraft, bringing the operational inventory to 21.

http://www.navair.navy.mil/index.cfm...7-9C1CE41A66A5

dyna mo · 05-10-2014, 04:12 PM

this is from the original rfp:

The procurement will result in a fixed-price type contract for the Engineering and Manufacturing Development (EMD) phase as well as options for Low Rate Initial Production (LRIP), Full Rate Production (FRP) and associated logistics elements to include interim contractor support, spares, support equipment, and repair of repairables. Options are also anticipated for the modification of System Demonstration Test Articles, integration of the Wideband Line of Sight System, Mission Tasking-2 Reconfiguration Kits and Earned Value Management Cost Reporting.

The total aircraft quantity includes 6 aircraft to support the EMD phase, 9 LRIP aircraft, and 8 FRP aircraft.

the 1.6b$ is for the EMD phase of the total project.

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportun...=core&_cview=1

mineistaken · 05-10-2014, 04:41 PM

400 million for helicopter? Sounds insane, that is way more than boeings and airbus liners cost.

Robbie · 05-10-2014, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

400 million for helicopter? Sounds insane, that is way more than boeings and airbus liners cost.

My guess is that the Presidential Helicopter Fleet has all the bells and whistles on it to make it as safe and attack-proof and comfortable as possible.

The ruling class lives far above any of us filthy citizens.

Rochard · 05-10-2014, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

HUh? You can't figure out what the article is stating so you think others didn't read it?

don't do that.

Moreover, there's plenty more out there than the OP article.

the 1.6B is for 6 prototype helicopters and simulators.

?This contract provides for the procurement of six test aircraft and the associated support equipment, integration of mature government-defined mission systems, a training system including a flight training device and a maintenance training device, logistics, engineering, and test and evaluation support,? according to the announcement.

read more, finger point less.

Program Status: Contract Awarded

The Navy awarded a $1,244,677,064 fixed-price incentive engineering and manufacturing development (EMD) contract, with production options, on May 7, 2014 to Sikorsky Aircraft Corporation. Initial fielding is planned for 2020, with production concluding in 2023.

Under the contract, Sikorsky will use its in-production S-92A aircraft and integrate government defined mission systems and install an executive interior. A total of six test aircraft will be produced during EMD. The production options will produce an additional 17 aircraft in three lots, resulting in a total procurement of 23 aircraft. Four of the six test articles produced during EMD will become operational aircraft, bringing the operational inventory to 21.

http://www.navair.navy.mil/index.cfm...7-9C1CE41A66A5

Great - you can read, but you can't read between the lines. The title of the article is "White House's $17 Billion" implying Obama is spending $17 billion, which you correctly pointed out is completely false.

However, Vendzilla can't read to save his life and repeats the $17 billion figure in the title of this thread. To make it even better, the article tells us how the last Republican president fucked us out of $3 billion and we got zip for it.

mineistaken · 05-10-2014, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

My guess is that the Presidential Helicopter Fleet has all the bells and whistles on it to make it as safe and attack-proof and comfortable as possible.

The ruling class lives far above any of us filthy citizens.

I understand that it has many super features, but still... Which of them can cost that much? Sounds like some pockets will get some extra money..

dyna mo · 05-10-2014, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Great - you can read, but you can't read between the lines. The title of the article is "White House's $17 Billion" implying Obama is spending $17 billion, which you correctly pointed out is completely false.

However, Vendzilla can't read to save his life and repeats the $17 billion figure in the title of this thread. To make it even better, the article tells us how the last Republican president fucked us out of $3 billion and we got zip for it.

again, HUH?

the 1.2B$ is simply for the fixed cost portion of the total project. they have to call it something the get things going. They can't name any other costs in the vxx project because they are not fixed.

that's reading between the lines, but that's also understanding how RFPs and contracts work.

Robbie · 05-10-2014, 06:47 PM

Hah-hah...I have Rochard on "ignore" now because of his love of trolling.

But reading what you just quoted him saying made me laugh about the use of the words "us" and "we" in that last sentence.

As if ANY of us ever had a say in how that money was spent. I guarantee you that if you asked people if they think that their tax money should be spent on super-duper helicopters for the Pres. to ride in to the airport to board his super-duper jet...most people would be like me and say "Hell NO!"

First off...the hypocrisy of a person who claims to be a proponent of "green energy" and stopping "global warming" to have such a HUGE carbon footprint is crazy isn't it?

But that's the way the RULING class in America rolls. They tell US what to do, and exempt themselves from all of it.

We want YOU to drive a prius...WE will ride in limousines.
We want YOU to save energy...WE will live in these mansions using more energy than your entire city block.
We don't want YOU to have a gun to protect yourself....but WE will be surrounded by armed guards all the time.

It's just crazy that the American people are letting this kind of thing stand for the last few decades as the ruling class in Washington D.C. has gotten more and more brazen.

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05-10-2014, 04:12 PM	#44
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 65,355	this is from the original rfp: The procurement will result in a fixed-price type contract for the Engineering and Manufacturing Development (EMD) phase as well as options for Low Rate Initial Production (LRIP), Full Rate Production (FRP) and associated logistics elements to include interim contractor support, spares, support equipment, and repair of repairables. Options are also anticipated for the modification of System Demonstration Test Articles, integration of the Wideband Line of Sight System, Mission Tasking-2 Reconfiguration Kits and Earned Value Management Cost Reporting. The total aircraft quantity includes 6 aircraft to support the EMD phase, 9 LRIP aircraft, and 8 FRP aircraft. the 1.6b$ is for the EMD phase of the total project. https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportun...=core&_cview=1

05-10-2014, 04:41 PM	#45
mineistaken See signature :) Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ICQ 363 097 773 Posts: 29,656	400 million for helicopter? Sounds insane, that is way more than boeings and airbus liners cost.

05-10-2014, 06:47 PM	#50
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	Hah-hah...I have Rochard on "ignore" now because of his love of trolling. But reading what you just quoted him saying made me laugh about the use of the words "us" and "we" in that last sentence. As if ANY of us ever had a say in how that money was spent. I guarantee you that if you asked people if they think that their tax money should be spent on super-duper helicopters for the Pres. to ride in to the airport to board his super-duper jet...most people would be like me and say "Hell NO!" First off...the hypocrisy of a person who claims to be a proponent of "green energy" and stopping "global warming" to have such a HUGE carbon footprint is crazy isn't it? But that's the way the RULING class in America rolls. They tell US what to do, and exempt themselves from all of it. We want YOU to drive a prius...WE will ride in limousines. We want YOU to save energy...WE will live in these mansions using more energy than your entire city block. We don't want YOU to have a gun to protect yourself....but WE will be surrounded by armed guards all the time. It's just crazy that the American people are letting this kind of thing stand for the last few decades as the ruling class in Washington D.C. has gotten more and more brazen. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com