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DatingCamTube · 05-17-2014, 12:28 PM

i dont know but somewhere in my capitalistic mind i start to wonder that the normal tippers since they tip less and less on cb it could be because they see on there creditcardbill that it is going to hi...... someone have any thoughts about this... we are talking about guys who usualy tip 1000s of tokens and then just stop after several months, but stil stay in contact with the girl... could it be that they see there creditcardbill and reality is cacthing up to them and that they see that it starts to cost to mutch.... they are in love and all this things, but wake up and see that they can not tip the girl the same as before.... thoughts???????

bean-aid · 05-17-2014, 12:34 PM

Are u asking as an affiliate or cam owner. Because the answer is dependant on it.

lezinterracial · 05-17-2014, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DatingCamTube

... could it be that they see there creditcardbill and reality is cacthing up to them and that they see that it starts to cost to mutch.... they are in love and all this things, but wake up and see that they can not tip the girl the same as before.... thoughts???????

Yes, I believe so. Those impulse buys can catch up with you. I have seen the same thing in VOD. Somebody buys some VOD time a couple of times a week. Next thing you know they have $100 of porn time on your next credit card bill. And the purchases stop.

Buyer's remorse when they get the bill.

DatingCamTube · 05-17-2014, 11:26 PM

im asking as camgirl.... my gfs stats goes down and i see and belive that this is the issue.

georgeyw · 05-17-2014, 11:28 PM

I have thought the same.

You notice the spending habits change. They begin to buy less tokens and then further apart and every now and then a big purchase, but nothing like their initial big purchases.

DatingCamTube · 05-17-2014, 11:31 PM

yes exactly

DatingCamTube · 05-18-2014, 04:00 AM

bumping to hear some more thoughts guys

ctggls · 05-18-2014, 04:47 AM

I think it's normal,i see the same also, but on the other hand i have lots of members that spend $100 per month constantly and that's another pattern. I personally prefer getting $10-15 from 1000 members than 150 from one member. Usually the one that spends much will soon lose interest in my site and find something else

DatingCamTube · 05-18-2014, 05:29 AM

well my gf have 22.000 followers on cb and i agree that it is bettter to have many small then a few big ones.... we will start testing differents aps they have and see maybe if that might help..... other thoughts guys?

Barry-xlovecam · 05-18-2014, 06:13 AM

In most cases this is buyer turnover or, customer attrition as the correct term. There is a process of buyer churn which is the time period of the customer attrition as a group (the whole). Start with 100 customers, the next month you have 70 left, the next month 40 left, and so forth.

There are two solutions;
1. New Customers.
2. Customer retention efforts.
Specifically to cam sites: The buyers get the bill for their fun and in many cases the money spent is money impulsively spent -- They consciously decide to spend less.

With regard to the ''whale buyers'' they will burn-out for lots of reasons.

I have always seen the $50.00 to $100.00 /mo buyer as very average in the premium cam business. There are some that only buy once for $20 to $50 but I have seen customers maintain the $100.00 a month spending level for many months. Their "hobby" is camgirls

adultmobile · 05-18-2014, 06:47 AM

I run cam sites, so I have access to lots of data, thousands of users across years, still, to figure the users behaviour it is not so easy. The first thing to do, it is to divide the users by type, since not all users do the same. Let me briefly list some types:

- New users, one time try, then gone: these are most of the new signups. people who never paid in cam sites, try one time a small amount like $20 up to max $100 across a day or maybe a week, then gone forever. They are curious, try, then figure it was not worth spending any money really, but wanted to try. These guys are often married or with gf, not "experts" of paying online for porn - in fact at times, the wife write emails to the biller asking what's that expense about, and we reply: "we tell this only to the cardholder, your is not the name or email of the cardholder", and so on. The tips/private coming from these guys will drop when the cam site reduce advertising or is being saturated and dropped by affiliates, and leaved only with old regular users tips.

- New users, spend a lot for a period, then gone: these never paid for cam sites before, but when they do the first time, spend "too much", just they deposit in small pieces many times, without figure the total. When they get the bill (weeks later), that is a total sum in the bank statement, so they figure how much it is, and they stop, or reduce drastically. At times, they stop because they find real girlfriend or prefer escorts etc., these people are not shy or afraid of meet real women, so a cam girl big and regular expense it looks silly. This is the type of users the OP talked about, of course there's more of these when the cam site is being advertised and promoted, less when the program is less new or promoted.

- Regular stable users, either whale or small: these are "pro" cam customers, they're 30 or older and normally live alone or are away from wife lots of time for work or other reasons, and are not types to go to prostitutes or get in-person gf's. They simply are ok with cam girls, they're shy or afraid (or feel guilty) of real gf/escort, and their life status may not change in next 10+ years, that's simply final. Depending if they're wealty or not, they will be whale or not, but they will spend for many years (if not all rest of their life) a certain amount of money with cam girls every month - either one cam girl only, or several - but the longest users really are targeting multi-girl. Since these users keep spending for years, one of these it is worth 100 or 1000 of other type of users.

A consideration on regular stable users: a cam girl could think that since these stable users do not reduce the monthly spending, then you as a cam girl should get the same tips per month from at least this segment of users. However if you are a single cam girl, you share these regular users with other girls in the cam site, so if there are more new girls added, you as an "old" cam girl will get a less % of the regular users tips share. Further, regular stable users are members of every cam site, at least 3-5 sites each (or, they would not be such pro users), so you share these users with every cam girl not only of the site you are in, but of all the cam sites really. While there are the same number of cam sites around (or perhaps, less, since these are closing more than new ones are setup), it is an easy to verify fact, that there are more cam girls today, than there was a few years ago, and in particular new cam girls. Even if they are online for a month then quit, still they are there, new, distracting the stable users away from the old, known cam girls.

So, to answer the OP specifically, really the issue if a single cam girl (even with 20,000 followers) seeing lower earnings after some time (issue many reported), it is just that there's so many more and new models being added in the same cam site, and in other ones that are known and visited by the same users, who in the past followed the girl. You may check that those 20,000 followers, recently followed someone else, simply, and since their time is limited, they will choice to visit newer girls rather than old.

pimpmaster9000 · 05-18-2014, 07:19 AM

adultmobile

as far as token sites go, as a studio boss my models talk to customers and the main reason they get is that big tippers feel stupid being the only one dropping tips all the time...sure he is "the man" the first few times and it is empowering but the reality is that most of them begin seeing the freeloaders and feeling more and more like fools...does not go for every customer but I Have heard this several times...

the solution could be taking regular customers pvt on tip sites...giving them special treatment...contacting them after a big public tip and encouraging them to spend more "private time" with you because he is not like the other guys bla bla...

the reverse edge would be that tippers sometimes encourage other tippers and taking big tippers pvt will ultimately reduce your public tips that are for some girls the main source of income...on tip sites pvt-s empty your room and this is something that also needs to be taken in to consideration...in an ideal situation you could arrange the time of the pvt around your public show...

focusing your in-site marketing efforts on adultmobiles gourp#3 of men would be your best course of action and a on going effort to steer big tippers pvt but at a tactical pace so as not to harm your public total

DatingCamTube · 05-18-2014, 07:28 AM

well my gf is a 10 pointed milf of 38 yo but look 25 and have some regulars that allways take her private and even tip in public, then we have a bunsh of freeloaders as u all know, this is alittle disturbing, because....well she talk to greys aswell but would it maybe be better to only let blues get to talk or do we loose to many potential buyers this way?
I belive that some that have tip alot before, have woken up and realized that it cost to mutch, then especialy 3-4 have been steady for the past 6 months with 100s per week and continue all the time..... anyone else have some input maybe???????

Captain Kawaii · 05-18-2014, 07:49 AM

Free has been well ingrained in consumers these days. if I am willing, on CB to spend a couple hours I can always find a newb girl, usually teen, giving it all away for free.

Attitude is a factor. I have spent money on CB but in several years, less than 60$. Why? See above. If girl is sweet and gives nice close ups and more or less does what I ask, I stay, tip, give a little more. of course my numbers are low. By the time I take a girl private I am usually 2-3 minutes away from a nap.

People are worried. World is in bad shape and no signs of getting better, credit card security is a joke. Sales are slow thats for sure.

adultmobile · 05-19-2014, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crucifissio

big tippers feel stupid being the only one dropping tips all the time...

Yes, also some of big tippers are unhappy that others see the show they paid for, but for free. This makes them more like guys for private. In fact most of the money is made in private in most sites (include our sites), not with tips.

Then why to allow free public shows with nude playing, if the core business it is private shows? The issue is: a private-only site with all-clothed girls will be soon empty, and if you land guys there, retaining is less than landing on nude playing show. The guys that will spend, will spend on the site they are, not in a site they are not. So, the first thing a site (and a model) it should do, it is to have most of the guys just in the site, free or not, and this today you obtain by show for free.

When you have all the guys in the site and in your room, some will sure want to spend, even if 1 every 10000, that's still the 1. If site it was empty, because showing nothing free - and all guys are in mfc, chaturbate, bonga etc. free rooms - not much to talk about.

05-17-2014, 12:28 PM	#1
DatingCamTube Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Travel around the world Posts: 338	when it comes to creditcard dept and camgirls i dont know but somewhere in my capitalistic mind i start to wonder that the normal tippers since they tip less and less on cb it could be because they see on there creditcardbill that it is going to hi...... someone have any thoughts about this... we are talking about guys who usualy tip 1000s of tokens and then just stop after several months, but stil stay in contact with the girl... could it be that they see there creditcardbill and reality is cacthing up to them and that they see that it starts to cost to mutch.... they are in love and all this things, but wake up and see that they can not tip the girl the same as before.... thoughts??????? __________________ Men will pay for tits until they are broke or dead!!!

05-17-2014, 11:26 PM	#4
DatingCamTube Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Travel around the world Posts: 338	im asking as camgirl.... my gfs stats goes down and i see and belive that this is the issue. __________________ Men will pay for tits until they are broke or dead!!!

05-17-2014, 11:28 PM	#5
georgeyw 58008 53773 Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 9,864	I have thought the same. You notice the spending habits change. They begin to buy less tokens and then further apart and every now and then a big purchase, but nothing like their initial big purchases. __________________ TripleXPrint on Megan Fox "I would STILL suck her pussy until her face caved in. And then blow her up and do it again!"

05-17-2014, 11:31 PM	#6
DatingCamTube Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Travel around the world Posts: 338	yes exactly __________________ Men will pay for tits until they are broke or dead!!!

05-18-2014, 04:00 AM	#7
DatingCamTube Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Travel around the world Posts: 338	bumping to hear some more thoughts guys __________________ Men will pay for tits until they are broke or dead!!!

05-17-2014, 12:34 PM	#2
bean-aid So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: the land of woke sleuths Posts: 16,493	Are u asking as an affiliate or cam owner. Because the answer is dependant on it.

05-18-2014, 04:47 AM	#8
ctggls Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 898	I think it's normal,i see the same also, but on the other hand i have lots of members that spend $100 per month constantly and that's another pattern. I personally prefer getting $10-15 from 1000 members than 150 from one member. Usually the one that spends much will soon lose interest in my site and find something else

05-18-2014, 05:29 AM	#9
DatingCamTube Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Travel around the world Posts: 338	well my gf have 22.000 followers on cb and i agree that it is bettter to have many small then a few big ones.... we will start testing differents aps they have and see maybe if that might help..... other thoughts guys? __________________ Men will pay for tits until they are broke or dead!!!

05-18-2014, 06:13 AM	#10
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	In most cases this is buyer turnover or, customer attrition as the correct term. There is a process of buyer churn which is the time period of the customer attrition as a group (the whole). Start with 100 customers, the next month you have 70 left, the next month 40 left, and so forth. There are two solutions; 1. New Customers. 2. Customer retention efforts. Specifically to cam sites: The buyers get the bill for their fun and in many cases the money spent is money impulsively spent -- They consciously decide to spend less. With regard to the ''whale buyers'' they will burn-out for lots of reasons. I have always seen the $50.00 to $100.00 /mo buyer as very average in the premium cam business. There are some that only buy once for $20 to $50 but I have seen customers maintain the $100.00 a month spending level for many months. Their "hobby" is camgirls

05-18-2014, 06:47 AM	#11
adultmobile No, I am not banned Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: ChatGF.com Posts: 5,345	I run cam sites, so I have access to lots of data, thousands of users across years, still, to figure the users behaviour it is not so easy. The first thing to do, it is to divide the users by type, since not all users do the same. Let me briefly list some types: - New users, one time try, then gone: these are most of the new signups. people who never paid in cam sites, try one time a small amount like $20 up to max $100 across a day or maybe a week, then gone forever. They are curious, try, then figure it was not worth spending any money really, but wanted to try. These guys are often married or with gf, not "experts" of paying online for porn - in fact at times, the wife write emails to the biller asking what's that expense about, and we reply: "we tell this only to the cardholder, your is not the name or email of the cardholder", and so on. The tips/private coming from these guys will drop when the cam site reduce advertising or is being saturated and dropped by affiliates, and leaved only with old regular users tips. - New users, spend a lot for a period, then gone: these never paid for cam sites before, but when they do the first time, spend "too much", just they deposit in small pieces many times, without figure the total. When they get the bill (weeks later), that is a total sum in the bank statement, so they figure how much it is, and they stop, or reduce drastically. At times, they stop because they find real girlfriend or prefer escorts etc., these people are not shy or afraid of meet real women, so a cam girl big and regular expense it looks silly. This is the type of users the OP talked about, of course there's more of these when the cam site is being advertised and promoted, less when the program is less new or promoted. - Regular stable users, either whale or small: these are "pro" cam customers, they're 30 or older and normally live alone or are away from wife lots of time for work or other reasons, and are not types to go to prostitutes or get in-person gf's. They simply are ok with cam girls, they're shy or afraid (or feel guilty) of real gf/escort, and their life status may not change in next 10+ years, that's simply final. Depending if they're wealty or not, they will be whale or not, but they will spend for many years (if not all rest of their life) a certain amount of money with cam girls every month - either one cam girl only, or several - but the longest users really are targeting multi-girl. Since these users keep spending for years, one of these it is worth 100 or 1000 of other type of users. A consideration on regular stable users: a cam girl could think that since these stable users do not reduce the monthly spending, then you as a cam girl should get the same tips per month from at least this segment of users. However if you are a single cam girl, you share these regular users with other girls in the cam site, so if there are more new girls added, you as an "old" cam girl will get a less % of the regular users tips share. Further, regular stable users are members of every cam site, at least 3-5 sites each (or, they would not be such pro users), so you share these users with every cam girl not only of the site you are in, but of all the cam sites really. While there are the same number of cam sites around (or perhaps, less, since these are closing more than new ones are setup), it is an easy to verify fact, that there are more cam girls today, than there was a few years ago, and in particular new cam girls. Even if they are online for a month then quit, still they are there, new, distracting the stable users away from the old, known cam girls. So, to answer the OP specifically, really the issue if a single cam girl (even with 20,000 followers) seeing lower earnings after some time (issue many reported), it is just that there's so many more and new models being added in the same cam site, and in other ones that are known and visited by the same users, who in the past followed the girl. You may check that those 20,000 followers, recently followed someone else, simply, and since their time is limited, they will choice to visit newer girls rather than old. __________________ TubeCamGirl.com

05-18-2014, 07:19 AM	#12
pimpmaster9000 Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 26,732	adultmobile as far as token sites go, as a studio boss my models talk to customers and the main reason they get is that big tippers feel stupid being the only one dropping tips all the time...sure he is "the man" the first few times and it is empowering but the reality is that most of them begin seeing the freeloaders and feeling more and more like fools...does not go for every customer but I Have heard this several times... the solution could be taking regular customers pvt on tip sites...giving them special treatment...contacting them after a big public tip and encouraging them to spend more "private time" with you because he is not like the other guys bla bla... the reverse edge would be that tippers sometimes encourage other tippers and taking big tippers pvt will ultimately reduce your public tips that are for some girls the main source of income...on tip sites pvt-s empty your room and this is something that also needs to be taken in to consideration...in an ideal situation you could arrange the time of the pvt around your public show... focusing your in-site marketing efforts on adultmobiles gourp#3 of men would be your best course of action and a on going effort to steer big tippers pvt but at a tactical pace so as not to harm your public total

05-18-2014, 07:28 AM	#13
DatingCamTube Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Travel around the world Posts: 338	well my gf is a 10 pointed milf of 38 yo but look 25 and have some regulars that allways take her private and even tip in public, then we have a bunsh of freeloaders as u all know, this is alittle disturbing, because....well she talk to greys aswell but would it maybe be better to only let blues get to talk or do we loose to many potential buyers this way? I belive that some that have tip alot before, have woken up and realized that it cost to mutch, then especialy 3-4 have been steady for the past 6 months with 100s per week and continue all the time..... anyone else have some input maybe??????? __________________ Men will pay for tits until they are broke or dead!!!

05-18-2014, 07:49 AM	#14
Captain Kawaii So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6,748	Free has been well ingrained in consumers these days. if I am willing, on CB to spend a couple hours I can always find a newb girl, usually teen, giving it all away for free. Attitude is a factor. I have spent money on CB but in several years, less than 60$. Why? See above. If girl is sweet and gives nice close ups and more or less does what I ask, I stay, tip, give a little more. of course my numbers are low. By the time I take a girl private I am usually 2-3 minutes away from a nap. People are worried. World is in bad shape and no signs of getting better, credit card security is a joke. Sales are slow thats for sure. Last edited by Captain Kawaii; 05-18-2014 at 07:51 AM..