2MuchMark

I don't know if people care that she's a woman... I hope they don't vote for her BECAUSE she's a woman either... I think that by now, a candidate can win based on what they say they will do, regardless of gender or color.

Lol! Like what? Bengazi? Bahahahahahaha...

Actually, it's the GOP that refuses to work with Obama, voting against absolutely everything he wants. They hate him for the same reason you hate him. Because he's black.

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The only time US politics are not funny, is when they are very sad.

The rest of time time though, we get treated to gems like

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There you go with your facts again, Robbie.

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Obamacare is Romneycare, so presumably Romney would keep it the same insurance industry bailout it already is.

Goldman Sachs analysis estimates the top 5 insurance companies will increase approx 60% in value over the next 6 years. When has Romney ever been against big business?

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Vendzilla

I'm getting tired of you calling me a racist, putting you on ignore till I meet you at a convention so I can punch you in the throat!

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think about that

Rochard

That's exactly my point. The Republican party viciously attacked Obamacare, which is nothing more than Romenycare at the Federal level. The Republican party never worked with Obama on Obamacare, but if Mitt was in office they would have completely supported it.

It's bullshit politics.

Robbie mentioned Ken Star and the impeachment again - holy fucking shit that is politics at it's worse. I mean really, that was low - push the President into a corner where he had to choose between a lie and admitting in public he cheated on his wife, and then having the balls to impeach him over it? That's bullshit. That was as low as you can get in politics.

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I agree. I am sooooooooooooo glad that I did not have to read about Fellatio Gate on Facebook and forums every day during the Clinton administration.

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Vendzilla

I think the only thing that Clinton did that got me upset was NAFTA. Even Hillary spoke about it needing changes when she ran for president.

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think about that

bronco67

The current Republican party has to make someone like Bob Dole wish he was dead. There has never been a nuttier, more unreasonable bunch of fruitcakes than the current House majority.

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SmutHammer

Not going to read through all this crap or get to involved, But WOW some of you people are fucking morons, Obama could close all hospitals in the USA and tell people when it's your time, it's your time. and half of you would say he is right. how much damage can they do to our country before you stop blaming those in the past?

Vendzilla

Define reasonable?

If you think one side is nuttier than the other, you might want to check your meds.

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think about that

MaDalton

and another fist fight at a convention that will never happen...

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That's assault, brotha':

An assault is carried out by a threat of bodily harm coupled with an apparent, present ability to cause the harm. It is both a crime and a tort and, therefore, may result in either criminal and/or civil liability. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault

No need to threaten me, Vendzilla. I'm done with the name calling. Your opinions are your own. For the record, I don't understand why you, from my point of view, believe what you believe. Regardless it is your constitutionally protected right to do so.

Good day.

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Rochard

That's the dumbest thing I've read in a long time.

If any president attempted to "close all the hospitals" he would be removed from office so quickly it would make our heads spin.

And the comment about "blaming those in the past" is pretty ridiculous also. We are blaming "those in the past" because they physically brought us to our knees, bringing us to by far the lowest point in our lifetimes. People ignore what just happened to us at the end of Bush's term; Exactly half the people on my street lost their house. Many more lost their jobs. It just doesn't get any worse than that. Everything we are doing today is because of what happened with the recession.

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Theo

Republican party needs to push another, far better candidate

SmutHammer

And the exact type of response I would expect to get, you really are clueless at what is currently going on. Now that everyone see's how shitty Obama care is, they want to say it's the same as what Romney wanted. Though similar it is in no way the same, and is a very small problem compared to other things going on.

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Rochard

But I don't see how Obamacare is bad at all.

It's basically a law that says you must have healthcare, and makes a few other changes - such as doing away with pre-existiting conditions and allowing kids to stay on their parent's plans much longer. It also did away with plans that really weren't plans at all.

Did expenses go up? Of course. They've gone up every year so that's nothing new.

Did some people have to change doctors or plans? You betcha. But this happens every year; It's called open enrollment.

As with any law there is going to be some kinks to iron out. But I have yet to see anything that says this is "horrible".

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Vendzilla

It got the point across and he apologized.

Would be nice, but if the house and senate both go GOP like it looks like this fall, do you really want a GOP president? I prefer a balance. Bill Clinton's administration did well as such

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think about that

Vendzilla

You just refuse to listen, some people can't even get a doctor. The insurance companies are making the list of doctors that you can use to cut costs and they are doing so at an alarming rate. Peoples rates are going up more than you will admit and the deductible is increasing even faster. And now people that don't need healthcare have to spend money to pay for it and people that need it, still aren't getting it, but in your world, it's all about being up Obama's ass.

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think about that

SmutHammer

Also it seems the government is attacking hospitals and practices, putting may out of business. Drug companies are very limited on what they can do, and of course this puts a big strain on getting new better medications. I can't write all the inside things that I know here, and don't want to get into it all but I will say our healthcare system is being torn apart, It's not all about being forced into paying for health insurance or being fined for not having it, that is a small thing compared to other stuff going on. Just take a look around and see how many urgent care treatment centers, doctors offices and hospitals are having problems or going out of business.

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So your point is to take the problems we've always had with healthcare and blame them on Obamacare. Brilliant.

The cost of healthcare has gone up every year without exception. Every year it goes up.



I have a friend of mine who works for the state government - nineteen years. Her paygrade has tripled in nineteen years, yet every year she makes less because her healthcare goes up.

Can't find a doctor? Well, that's new isn't it? We've always had this problem - if you live in a small town you cannot find a pediatric cardiologist local to you. I live in a town of 50k and the nearest hospital is three cities away - But that has nothing to do with Obamacare because the hospital was in the same exact place before Obamacare.

My wife works for a foot doctor who is the only foot doctor in our area in the largest healthcare network. This hasn't changed in the past eight years. If you want a foot doctor in the network and you live in Auburn, you have to drive to Citrus Heights. This hasn't changed because of Obamacare - it's always been this way.

The recent changes are making it harder to find to find specialized doctors - because more people than ever before have healthcare and we can't suddenly deploy fifty thousand pediatric cardiologists because it takes eight years plus to train them.

All you do is complain and whine.

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Vendzilla

You've been shown fact and have heard from others on this very forum with their stories and still don't believe, so why try to convince someone now that has me on ignore?

Is it because I know the truth and that conflicts with your bullshit?

Here's the facts about finding a doctor

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottgot...-in-obamacare/

http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/19/news...acare-doctors/

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-doctors.php
Many of the new health insurance plans have limited networks. Doctors have to sign up to accept insurance offered on ObamaCare's marketplaces . Some of the low-cost and free plans have a very limited network and these in-network doctors could get hit with more patients than they can handle. However the law does combat this by funding health centers (especially in low-income areas), funding and training of new health care professionals, and providing incentives for doctors to practice underserved communities.

http://nypost.com/2014/04/17/brain-p...-doctors-meds/

After four brain operations, Margaret Figueroa thought she was prepared for anything ? until she ran into ObamaCare.
?I?m frustrated with the system. I feel like I paid but I?m not getting what I paid for,? said Figueroa, 49, who broke down in tears while explaining her bureaucratic nightmare.
?It?s scary because this is America. I didn?t expect to go through this.?
Figueroa ? who has a neurological disorder ? said she enrolled in a new EmblemHealth insurance program in February as required under the Affordable Care Act. And that?s when her problems began.
After paying her premium, she received a temporary ID card. But when she went to order medication, the pharmacists said her name wasn?t in the system. And she said her doctors were not included in her new medical plan.


So here's your problem, you want me to keep posting the truth that there are problems with your stand on this or do you just want to agree?

And don't give me that shit about this was going on already, all these say it's because of Obamacare

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Robbie

Funny thing is...they are showing on the news channels (except MSNBC of course) snippets of Romney and Obama debating during the election where Romney is saying that unless we take a different course on several things (the MidEast, Russia, the economy, health care) that certain bad things are going to happen.

Obama chides him and wags his finger at Romney like he's a foolish child.

And the news story today is how RIGHT Romney was and how wrong Obama was. lol

Just goes to show ya.

By the way, on the Iraq thing...I think Obama is right. We should never have been there in the first place. And we should NEVER have stayed and tried to "nation build".

It doesn't work.

I also think he was right to try and get closer with Russia. I'm not convinced that Russia is doing anything "bad" anyway. They are getting a bit nationalistic (nowhere NEAR the level the U.S. is by the way) and aren't putting up with any of our "commands".

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Voting on raising the debt limit without a major political brawl, when it was just fine to raise it so many times under Republican presidents -- so maybe we could keep our credit rating in good standing? Would that be reasonable?

How about not rejecting a UN treaty (which was ratified by 126 nations) that would allow disabled citizens around the world to have the same rights as everyone else. Would that be reasonable? Sidenote: Bob Dole(a disabled person) was present to witness his Republican compadres put that through with ease, and was disappointed ---of course because Republicans never seem to want to do the correct thing.

Not having meaningless votes around 50 times to repeal a law that's not going anywhere -- when they could be doing work on issues like immigration reform? Would that be reasonable?

How about not letting the FAA shut down? (until it started to impact their own travel plans) Would that be reasonable?

How about getting on board with all scientists to take steps toward improving the climate change situation? Especially when the EPA leaders of the last 4 republican administrations have also urged them to do so? Would that be reasonable? To quit acting like science doesn't exist because of the excuse "well, I'm not a scientist".

That's the tip of the iceberg. If you think this stuff is no big deal, then you're more brain dead and stubborn we all thought. You can't defend any of these shenanigans. It's all indefensible.

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So you were the kid that said to his parents, why not? Billy's parents let him? Just because the republicans did it makes it right? NO

LOL, you should read more history, first it was Bush that Originally signed the treaty you are talking about, second, then new treaty had flaws in it that the Republicans had issues with. Mainly letting the Swiss run it.
Immigration reform can't happen when 1,000's of kids are crossing a unsecured border and giving up to border patrol. Fix that first.

So you were for it when Reagan fired all of them and replaced them?

Yeah, Obama putting all the energy companies under the will of the EPA, that will work when China doesn't have to listen, you do know we are all breathing the same air don't you?
I think I did a pretty good job!

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kane

I have a feeling if a republican wins the White House in 2016 the democrats may return the favor and pretty much filibuster and otherwise block anything and everything they want to do. Some of that will have to do with the make up of the house and senate at that time, but think there are a lot of democrats who saw the republicans become obstructionists and how it worked to help get them control of the house back and they will be eager to return the favor.

Any republican president may have a long, uphill battle ahead of them.

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You cant be serious Brett. Lying to congress, Monica Lewinsky, disbarred, Somalia.
Breath in, breath out, submariner.

Rochard

But you aren't posting the truth - at all.

You quote an article that takes the cheapest "bronze" package and compares it to expensive private plan which is like comparing apples to airplanes. Then you post an article where a woman in a small down can't find a pediatric cardiologist without giving consideration to the fact that pediatric cardiologist can't make a living in a town of 50k people. Then you post a horror story about a woman with a huge medical problem and suddenly can't be found in the system - Well that's never happened before has it?

All of these problems existed before.

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Unfortunately they won't be able to filibuster anything.

Dumbass Harry Reid changed the Senate Rules (the nuclear option) and took away the minority party's right to filibuster.

The old senile fool didn't give a damn that he might not always be the majority party. And since he can't seem to find a way to work with the Republicans he pulled the "nuclear option".

So now when the Republicans take over...he's fucked.

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kane

Doesn't that only apply to the senate? There is still plenty of opportunities to obstruct in the house and there are still many procedural things the opposing party can and (and in the current case are) do(ing) To slow things down.

There has always been partisan opposition, it is the nature of politics, it has just been taken to a new level in the last 5-6 years and I see that trend continuing.

Robbie

nah it's been MUCH worse in U.S. history. Like right before the Civil War for instance:
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Preston Smith Brooks (August 5, 1819 – January 27, 1857) was a Democratic Representative from South Carolina, serving from 1853 until his death in 1857.

Brooks was a fervent advocate of slavery. He is primarily remembered for severely beating Senator Charles Sumner (Free Soil-Massachusetts), an abolitionist, with a cane on the floor of the United States Senate, on May 22, 1856.

This was in retaliation for an anti-slavery speech by Sumner in which Sumner attacked Brooks' uncle, Senator Andrew Butler (Democrat-South Carolina). Brooks' action was applauded by many Southerners, and abhorred in the North. Although an attempt to oust him from the House of Representatives was made, and he immediately resigned his seat, he received only token punishment and was re-elected by the people of South Carolina (but died before his next term began).

Sumner was seriously injured, and unable to serve in the Senate for three years, though eventually he recovered somewhat.

Brooks' act and the polarizing national reaction to it to are frequently cited as a major factor in the rising tensions leading up to the American Civil War.
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Those crazy Democrats! lol

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Vendzilla

Let me guess, LC again? Really stupid post BTW

Maybe you should look at what Amelia posted about her problems finding a doctor and she lives in the middle of Los Angeles.

And they are getting worse, we were promised they would get better. you know, every family would save $2500?
You can keep your doctor
you can keep your plan

These are the rally cries from the left that pushed the American people to believe that this was a good thing and they are all lies!

http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...acare-promises
Ten Broken Obamacare Promises

Promise #1: ?If you like your health care plan, you?ll be able to keep your health care plan, period.?[2]
Reality: Millions of Americans have lost and will lose their coverage due to Obamacare.

Promise #2: ?[T]hat means that no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period.?[6]
Reality: Many Americans might not be able to keep their current doctor without paying extra.

Promise #3: ?In an Obama administration, we?ll lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year.?[9]
Reality: Premiums for people purchasing coverage in the individual market have significantly increased in a majority of states.

Promise #4: ?[F]or the 85 and 90 percent of Americans who already have health insurance, this thing?s already happened. And their only impact is that their insurance is stronger, better and more secure than it was before. Full stop. That?s it. They don?t have to worry about anything else.?[12]
Reality: Obamacare imposes certain new benefit mandates on those with employer-sponsored coverage?a majority of Americans.

Promise #5: ?Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase.?[15]
Reality: Obamacare contains 18 separate tax hikes, fees, and penalties, many of which heavily impact the middle class.

Promise #6: ?I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits?either now or in the future.?[18]
Reality: Obamacare?s new spending is unsustainable.

Promise #7: ?[W]hatever ideas exist in terms of bending the cost curve and starting to reduce costs for families, businesses, and government, those elements are in this bill.?[21]
Reality: Health spending is still rising and is projected to grow at an average rate of 5.8 percent from 2012 to 2022.[22]

Promise #8: ?I will protect Medicare.?[24]
Reality: Obamacare cuts Medicare spending.

Promise #9: ?I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American.?[27]
Reality: Millions of Americans will remain uninsured.

Promise #10: ?So this law means more choice, more competition, lower costs for millions of Americans.?[29]
Reality: Obamacare has not increased insurer competition or consumer choice.

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2MuchMark

Lol give up Vendzilla. You are posting half-truths at best. The rest are lies or leave out the rest of the picture.

This is what I don't understand about you republicans. You see that Obama is doing a half decent job. You see that while he has been president he has accomplished alot, but you still refuse to give him any credit. Just a few days ago, the Benghazi suspect was caught. What do republicans say? "What took him so long?", if you can believe that. Republicans seem to forget that George Bush actually gave up looking for Bin Laden...

Sure you can disagree with some of his ideas and policies, but there's no reason at all to hate the guy. Republicans can't attack the guy as he is, so they make up things about him. IE: "He's a socialist". "He's a communist". "He's a Muslim". "He's a terrorist". "He hates America", and on and on. It used to be funny, but now its just sad.

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Mark, I didn't see Vendzilla post anything that you just said.

He posted some pretty straight forward facts. The President has straight up lied about most of the major things he promised to do.

And yes...so did the EVIL Bush.

But wasn't that the point of voting for Pres. Obama? That he would be different?

That's the disappointment people have in him. He promised WAY too much, and delivered far too little.

This is where he is right now:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/ga...-approval.aspx

At least he's still ahead of EVIL Bush's last couple of years:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116500/pr...orge-bush.aspx

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kane

One of my biggest disappointments in Obama is that he made transparency one of his major campaign themes. After Bush had hidden most of the cost of the war in Iraq through creative accounting and lost the trust of the people because of the deception behind it, Obama promised all kinds of transparency and not only has he not delivered, he has gone to great lengths to keep things secret and go after anyone who exposes things about his administration.

Robbie

Agreed Kane.

The first and biggest one to me was right off the bat when he promised to have the entire Health Care Act debated and written LIVE on CSPAN so that the American people would be 100% involved.

That's when I knew he was going to be just another politician.

Check out this story:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...cretive-nixon/

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Rochard

This is what I just don't get. I have a friend that is a die hard Republican and every now and then he'll make some silly comment. The last one was "Look at what Obama did the economy". I was dumbfounded and had no idea what to say to him. There is no denying that the American economy is much better than when Obama first took office. Is the economy great or fantastic? No, but six years ago we were in the worst recession in our lifetimes - people were loosing their houses in bulk.

If you cannot see that things are better you must be blind.

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kane

That's crazy. It's one thing to not follow through with a promise, but in this case to go to the extreme in the opposite direction is just sad.

Robbie

I think he wanted to do the things he promised.

But then he got surrounded by old time career politicians: Reid in the Senate, Pelosi in the House, and the ultimate career/insider Joe Biden as his VP.

I think he respects them as having a lot more experience than he did in govt., so he heeded their advice and took direction from them.

It's the only thing I can think of that would explain what he did as opposed to what he said he was going to do. I can't think of anybody doing a total 180 on things like he did. Especially when he seemed so passionate about NOT doing that.

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kane

I wouldn't be shocked at all if that is exactly what happened. Every politician makes promises they can't or don't keep, but he did a full 180 on this. I have a feeling they might have convinced him that his enemies might use it against him somehow and he got paranoid.

Robbie

I can just hear Harry Reid in that high/scratchy bizarre voice saying: "Oh no Mr. President, that's not how WE do it here in Washington. That just won't do"

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bronco67

You didn't even give direct answers to my point (which are all knowable facts) and instead chose to evade.

The recent FAA thing wasn't about the FAA, they were just a pawn in Republicans little brinksmanship game. Regan's episode years ago? What the fuck does that have to do with what happened recently?

The UN treaty vote was fucked by the Teabillies, who don't trust the anything UN, and the rest of the senators fell in line with them. What you said was kind of correct, but it just proves my point. They come up with some excuse to not vote for something to be obstructionists, even in the presence of Mr Dole.

Complaining about Mexicans coming across the border doesn't answer why they waste our tax dollars with meaningless votes on repealing Obamacare over and over. Republicans need to be the leaders on Immigration reform, but they're waiting until after their seats are safe from the mid terms before they even make an attempt at it. Shows no balls, because it might actually help them more than they think.

So you're one of those geniuses who would get rid of the EPA? You realize our air would be worse than China's if we had no EPA.

You just looked at my points and probably had no idea any of that stuff happened because you get your news from all conservative sources. Then you popped around Google to brush up and give some half assed answers. That stuff I listed isn't even a fraction of all of their idiocy of late. I didn't even touch the gerrymandering, voting rights tampering, outright racism, abortion, etc. The bottom line is you constantly stick up for a pack of giant gaping assholes. These jerks are your kind of people.

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@bronco67 I think the EPA did a great job helping get some major pollution stopped in the USA

There used to be some very nasty stuff being dumped in rivers and landfills. VERY nasty.

But the agency has kind of morphed over the decades (like most bureaucracies do). And now they basically write LAWS. And that is something that shouldn't be happening.

They aren't legislators. They weren't voted in to office. They are not lawmakers.

But they create "regulations" and punish people all the same.

And because the head of it is a political appointee, they are politicized as well.

That's my problem with the EPA.

Like every bureaucracy, it has become too big and too powerful without enough Congressional oversight.

And because it has a warm and fuzzy name "Environmental Protection Agency", it makes it sound like if you say something bad about it...you HATE the environment.
(sort of like they did with The Patriot Act, criticize that and you HATE your country because you're not a "patriot")

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good god, look at Christie .. fat f*ck

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