"Fast and Furious" Pirate gets jail time. - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

iFriends · 08-26-2014, 12:20 PM

Not without some of this first...

L-Pink · 08-26-2014, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 420

I think that law will be enforced more readily than downloading a bootleg of ff5.

robbery and rape = two well defined crimes
downloading a movie = unsure if it is a crime - is it petty theft? what do you even call it?

Incorrect, you said "I agree with people doing whatever they think is acceptable" What if I think robbery and rape are acceptable?

2MuchMark · 08-26-2014, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 420

779,000 downloads does not equal 779,000 people paying for a ticket. Some of those people would wait to see it on dvd or cable. Some people will be annoyed with the quality and go to the theater. Others will use the downloaded copy as a preview to see if it is worth watching in theaters. A cam copy of a movie is not going to affect sales that much unless the movie is terrible.

I said that those people who downloaded it SHOULD have paid the price of the ticket. If they did not want to see the movie, they should not have downloaded it. If they wanted to see the movie, they should have paid for the rights to view it.

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Originally Posted by dezmondel

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what a stupid claim... as mentioned already most of those people wouldn't have watched in theaters anyway.... or ever, and most of 'em just want to show off to their friends that they saw it first.

but just for shits & giggles lets assume for a second that Universal and a handful of filthy ass rich people lost 4 mill...

worldwide the movie has made $789,945,175 (source)... what the fuck is 4 mill next to almost 800?

pirates exist only in Neverland ;]

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This is irrelevant. The film companies invest heavily in these movies, and they deserve to make a full return on their investment, right down to the last $15.00 movie ticket. Theft is theft, and its nice to see a thief go to jail.

Jel · 08-26-2014, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by iFriends

"What are you in for, big boy?"

"I uploaded Fast & Furious to the internets."

2MuchMark · 08-26-2014, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 420

Selling tangible disks is stealing. Selling or sharing a digital copy of a "virtual item" is still a gray area.

I'm pretty sure that you would have a very different opinion if a copy of a porn movie you shot ended up on a Tube site, making other people money.

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Originally Posted by 420

It does belong to you because you downloaded it.

No, it doesn't. It only belongs to you IF you pay for the rights. When you buy a movie ticket, you pay for the legal right for YOU to watch that movie 1 time.

When you buy a DVD or download, you pay for the right to watch the movie in your own home. However, you do not have the right to distribute the movie (to copy and give away or sell the DVD's, or to stream it online), or even to show the movie in a public venue such as a bar).

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

What I've noticed is that people who make all these counter arguments eventually lose.

It's pretty simple : Rich people made something; now watch them protect it. The end.

It will always end in favor of big money because free downloads don't create jobs or taxes.

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It's not just that. The act of making movies cost alot of money - $100 Million is the typical budget for big movies now. All the actors and all of the crew (thousands now) all deserve to be paid for their contribution to the movie. They get paid, and the studio makes a profit, on the per-ticket fees and licensing fees of the work they created.

No person, for no reason at all, is legally allowed to copy and redistribute that movie, unless the licensing fees are paid.

iFriends · 08-26-2014, 01:07 PM

Who would disagree to watching a movie that was illegally downloaded?

PiracyPitbull · 08-26-2014, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by iFriends

Who would disagree to watching a movie that was illegally downloaded?

I have no problem passing on the viewing/using of pirated media.

I'm guessing that wasn't really a serious question.

iFriends · 08-26-2014, 01:15 PM

It was, just wondered if anyone would outright refuse. But I understand your stance as you are the Piracy Pitbull!

PiracyPitbull · 08-26-2014, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by iFriends

It was, just wondered if anyone would outright refuse. But I understand your stance as you are the Piracy Pitbull!

I refused to before my involvement in copyright infringement and prior to other considerations such as media digitization and the advent of the internet etc etc.

If I want to watch something, I can buy it.

If I'm undecided, I can wait till it's released through an authorized outlet more economically, such as netflix, hulu, cable etc.

It's not difficult.

Dead · 08-26-2014, 01:49 PM

so, if a chick decides to Brodcast herself on a adult webchat, and a user records her broadcast and later uploads the broadcast....who gets to sue or press charges?

AdultKing · 08-26-2014, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by iFriends

It was, just wondered if anyone would outright refuse. But I understand your stance as you are the Piracy Pitbull!

I buy the content I consume, that's what everyone should do

eipstudios · 08-26-2014, 05:18 PM

Jesse1984 · 08-26-2014, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Obviously you have never created anything worth protecting.

First, you. I know you were responding to the person responding to me, but I actually do create original content outside of adult and people steal it all the time. I don't watermark it, I don't copyright it, nothing. When I caught people stealing it, I would usually ask them to remove it attempt to get it removed from wherever under sites abuse policies and it pretty much always worked.

Then I stopped caring and policing and you know what? My content continued getting more popular, my social velocity continued increasing, and I haven't lost a dime. Because you know why? Those people who intentionally pirate my content and try and pass it off as their own, suck, and will do it to anyone anyway any time. Fuck 'em.

Granted I'm not a multibillion dollar corrupt industry, a little protection is in order. Which brings me to my second point, I didn't read [as I admitted] and I didn't know the guy made money off of physical copies and then taunted the production company. Well, he deserved what he got.

STILL. Piracy isn't the same as theft. Potential loss is not the same as cost. 99% of you have all pirated or broken some such laws all the same. Legalism is great when you're on the high and mighty side, isn't it?

blackmonsters · 08-26-2014, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by iFriends

It was, just wondered if anyone would outright refuse. But I understand your stance as you are the Piracy Pitbull!

I refused to use Napster right away.
It seemed illegal to me and I didn't want to get burned for downloading songs.
This was back when they first started Napster.

Do I watch stuff on youtube that is probably illegal upload?
Yes, all the time.

Do I think it's right to do those uploads?

No.

Do I speed like a MoFo when I drive?

yes.

Do I talk shit when I get a speeding ticket?

No.

pornmasta · 08-26-2014, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JesseFame

5. Let every one of you who hasn't recorded shows off the TV onto VHS back in the day, made mix tapes off the radio back in the day, or downloaded a single thing illegally cast the first stone.

Piracy is not the same as theft. Potential loss is not the same as true cost. Piracy does not always equal lost revenue, often it's a preview. Taking away six years of a person's life for wanting to share content which he's not making a dime off of and you being joyful about it in a forum, is pretty pathetic when most of you break other laws, download yourself, or have pirated content in the past through other mediums before the internet.

blackmonsters · 08-26-2014, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

I wish he had that attitude about his wife.

TheSquealer · 08-26-2014, 06:29 PM

All the bottom feeders claim piracy day in and day out is the sole reason for their ills, then when pirates are prosecuted, they side with the pirate. This is an industry full of self destructive dipshits.

Frank · 08-26-2014, 07:15 PM

This guy was just asking for it by bragging online.

dezmondel · 08-26-2014, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JesseFame

Then I stopped caring and policing and you know what? My content continued getting more popular, my social velocity continued increasing, and I haven't lost a dime. Because you know why? Those people who intentionally pirate my content and try and pass it off as their own, suck, and will do it to anyone anyway any time. Fuck 'em.

piracy as some of you guys call it = free advertising... and anyone who says otherwise is fortunate enough to afford paying for their advertising needs.

with respect to the exceptions, an independent artist embraces piracy with open arms... and gets offended if his or her shit is not pirated... cos let's be frank here, if it ain't good enough to be shared (or as some of you fellas call it, "pirated"), then who the fu#@ is gonna pay for it?

people ain't stupid, and this ain't the 90's, if it's not good enough to buy... it's not good enough to support.

to force people to pay for something that's available for free... come now, look how it went with the snake, God and his special little pet project ;]

you fellas gettin' all worked up about a "Robin Hood" who stole from the rich and gave to the deprived poor, when the real thieving bastards are the webmasters who jack content, place their own logo on it, change the name and advertise their pay-sites with it, or better yet, brazenly sell the stolen content on their site making bank without the slightest regard for the creators... funny that nobody brought that up yet...

and while on this topic... is watching a stolen video on the porn tubes illegal?

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AdultKing · 08-26-2014, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dezmondel

and while on this topic... is watching a stolen video on the porn tubes illegal?

It is in this country (Australia).

It would be in any country that is a signatory to the Berne Convention providing that they have not had a judgement or precedent saying that it isn't or haven't legislated making it legal.

https://torrentfreak.com/viewing-pir...t-says-140109/

However this ruling may be overturned.

Bladewire · 08-26-2014, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dezmondel

piracy as some of you guys call it = free advertising... and anyone who says otherwise is fortunate enough to afford paying for their advertising needs.

I'm guessing you aren't the kind of content producer with a site that's had 10 years of content downloaded by someone who paid $24.95 then zipped all the gigs of files and uploaded it to torrents, or individually to tubes.

That's not advertising. That's theft. It's a perfect and exact copy given to the world for free.

People make all sorts of excuses for doing the wrong thing, they always have, they always will.

Penny24Seven · 08-26-2014, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

If the movie was download 779,000 times, this is at least 779,000 people who wanted to see it, and should have paid the typical price of a movie to see it ($15.00). The thief's recording means that $11,685,000 in lost potential initial revenue, not including the sales of drinks and popcorn that the theatres depend on, and not including people who might pay to see it again, and not including sales of DVD or Blueray, and not including licensing to TV movie channels and TV stations in the future.

The guy knew exactly what he was doing. He stole, he sold, he profited.

I'm glad he's going to jail for 3 years.

On top of that how many people will not go see the next movie because it might be on the net free so they do not go in hopes it shows up

dezmondel · 08-27-2014, 01:20 AM

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thanx for the link AdultKing!

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Originally Posted by Squirtit

I'm guessing you aren't the kind of content producer with a site that's had 10 years of content downloaded by someone who paid $24.95 then zipped all the gigs of files and uploaded it to torrents, or individually to tubes.

that's messed up.... sorry to hear that.
there's nothing worse then seeing your hard work be treated disrespectfully.

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Bladewire · 08-27-2014, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dezmondel

that's messed up.... sorry to hear that.
there's nothing worse then seeing your hard work be treated disrespectfully.

There's a lot more worse that could happen.

sharing with a couple friends is free advertising. Anything else is theft for cred, theft for profit and/or racketeering. All of which hurt small independent studios like mine. Reality

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