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Wendy-Etology · 03-20-2015, 10:15 AM

everyone kept saying it was a great movie. i havent seen it something about space movies makes me want to yawn

2MuchMark · 03-20-2015, 10:15 AM

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Watched this the other day on Blu Ray.

Sucked.

Nolan can't direct a decent movie to save his life. He is officially the most overrated director on the planet.

The film was scientifically implausible to such an extent that I could not suspend disbelief and enjoy the film at face value. Pseudo- philosophical use of feelings with respect to the multi-dimensional time-space is simply ridiculous. The plot made no sense and never explained anything. I love how the protagonist is asked to pilot a spacecraft on a billion dollar intergalactic mission (during a time of world wide famine, no less) the very next day! Forget a physical or psychological or refreshing your memory, just show up tomorrow man!

I could go on but what's the point. Typical Hollywood tripe with cringe-worthy lines, like a top scientist saying "Love is the one thing that we?re capable of perceiving that transcends dimensions of time and space." Ugh.

For the most part, I tend to agree with you. I would have loved to see Coop go to the REAL Nasa in Florida, spend a year training while the story explains more about space travel and time dilation, etc. I would have loved the build up to the launch while more is revealed about the state of the planet and the shit it is turning into, etc. Sometimes things are best left to the imagination, but other times the details in extended stories really flesh things out for me.

This is why I'm really hoping for an extended directors cut. If they released a 4 hour version, I would definitely watch it.

The "Love" part of the movie is a bit of a stretch for me, but not that much.

2MuchMark · 03-20-2015, 10:17 AM

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Can someone explain why Mat Damon (A+ lister?) is being underpromoted in this movie? I mean I did not even know he was in the movie. I opened Interstellar (2014) - IMDb and he is not even there (in the firstly visible results)!

How is that possible, why not to monetize on him? I mean at least put him in visible IMDB credits...

Serious question....

His performance and character were kept secret by request and agreement between him and Nolan. I don't really know why. His character is good and there is a major reveal that involves him but it could have been played by just about any other actor IMHO.

2MuchMark · 03-20-2015, 10:19 AM

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Anyone here watch Event Horizon with Sam Neil and Laurence Fishburne?

The part where a scientist explains to Cooper how a wormhole works is lifted (copied) directly from that film. I mean, it's exactly the same, with the x's, the line, the folding of the paper and the pencil piercing it.

Also, does anyone else find it extremely ridiculous that this scientist is explaining to the pilot of the mission what a wormhole is only minutes before he has to go through it. LOL.

Yes it was, and yes I do. This is done so that the audience knows what is going on, but yes I hated the way it was done in Interstellar. Coop and everyone else on board should know this already. This scene would have been much better if Coop would have given this demo to his daughter Murph instead. A reply of "Duh, Dad, I'm not stupid ya know!" would have been a nice touch.

CaptainHowdy · 03-20-2015, 11:10 AM

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It's not.

If I was someone that is actually going to travel through a wormhole or into a black hole of course I'd be much more demanding in terms of scientific rigurosity ...

Bladewire · 03-20-2015, 11:18 AM

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The part where a scientist explains to Cooper how a wormhole works is lifted (copied) directly from that film. I mean, it's exactly the same, with the x's, the line, the folding of the paper and the pencil piercing it.

That's because the laws of physics don't change.

"The method of space travel in this film was based on physicist Kip Thorne's works, which were also the basis for the method of space travel in Carl Sagan's novel "Contact", and the resulting film adaptation, Contact (1997). Matthew McConaughey stars in both films." IMDB

J. Falcon · 03-20-2015, 11:38 AM

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Yes it was, and yes I do. This is done so that the audience knows what is going on, but yes I hated the way it was done in Interstellar. Coop and everyone else on board should know this already. This scene would have been much better if Coop would have given this demo to his daughter Murph instead. A reply of "Duh, Dad, I'm not stupid ya know!" would have been a nice touch.

There was a lot of that explaining shit to the audience, usually in a totally out of context way. Too much shit in this movie to enjoy it. I also thought the dialogue and acting were horrible.

J. Falcon · 03-20-2015, 11:39 AM

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That's because the laws of physics don't change.

"The method of space travel in this film was based on physicist Kip Thorne's works, which were also the basis for the method of space travel in Carl Sagan's novel "Contact", and the resulting film adaptation, Contact (1997). Matthew McConaughey stars in both films." IMDB

It was a shot for shot copy of Event Horizon.

J. Falcon · 03-20-2015, 11:42 AM

Let's go populate a planet orbiting near a black hole... AWESOME IDEA!

J. Falcon · 03-20-2015, 11:52 AM

Something tells me Kip Thorne was overruled on a lot of science stuff on this film.

Bladewire · 03-20-2015, 12:27 PM

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Let's go populate a planet orbiting near a black hole... AWESOME IDEA!

It's a Matthew McConaughey movie with square walking robots that can also travel on water for gods sake LOL

J. Falcon · 03-20-2015, 12:43 PM

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It's a Matthew McConaughey movie with square walking robots that can also travel on water for gods sake LOL

I just remembered another major plot hole. What the fuck was proving light in this solar system? Did anyone see a sun? Nope, I guess it was the black hole.

bronco67 · 03-20-2015, 12:47 PM

I can't imagine how some of you could enjoy anything. It's not a science report, it's a fucking movie -- and an entertaining, thought provoking, emotional one at that.

being smarter and more cynical than everyone else can't be that much fun.

2MuchMark · 03-20-2015, 01:04 PM

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I just remembered another major plot hole. What the fuck was proving light in this solar system? Did anyone see a sun? Nope, I guess it was the black hole.

While in the solar system, the light was coming from our sun. While in the other solar system, the light was coming from a sun, reflected from planets, and from the event horizon of the black hole.

J. Falcon · 03-20-2015, 01:13 PM

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I can't imagine how some of you could enjoy anything. It's not a science report, it's a fucking movie -- and an entertaining, thought provoking, emotional one at that.

being smarter and more cynical than everyone else can't be that much fun.

I disagree.

I don't understand how you can enjoy such a steaming pile of emotional hog-wash, with a cheesy plot that could have been written by a 12 year old, paper thin characters, bad acting, plot holes left and right to the point it becomes enjoyable.

Please tell me what part of this movie is thought-provoking? That love transcends all barriers all barriers? That might be thought-provoking and emotional for a teenage girl with deeper issues.

Entertaining? Maybe visually entertaining, that's it.

I don't consider myself smarter than anyone, but when movies like this come out and are praised by almost everyone it makes me seriously question the intelligence of the majority. There's nothing fun about that feeling.

J. Falcon · 03-20-2015, 01:14 PM

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While in the solar system, the light was coming from our sun. While in the other solar system, the light was coming from a sun, reflected from planets, and from the event horizon of the black hole.

Obviously I wasn't referring to our solar system.

About the second part, are you sure? I don't remember seeing a sun or any mention of one. Maybe it was implied and I missed it.

Relentless · 03-20-2015, 01:17 PM

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His performance and character were kept secret by request and agreement between him and Nolan. I don't really know why.

Three possibilities:

A - If it wasn't kept secret, you wouldn't be talking about it right now.

B - Damon was smart enough to know the movie was fucking terrible and did not want his name all over it so he wouldn't be forced to be part of the press junket about it.

C - All of the above

J. Falcon · 03-20-2015, 01:20 PM

Honestly, of all the BS in this movie (and there was a lot of it), what pissed me off the most was the protagonist and his approach to the entire mission. Here you are, trying to save humanity, traveling from star to star, discovering the mysteries of the universe, and he is more concerned about fulfilling a promise to his daughter to return home. All of that on a relationship that wasn't even established to begin with. It's bullshit. Typical Hollywood tripe bullshit.

Don't-go-to-space-or-I'm-a-gonna-cry

Relentless · 03-20-2015, 01:21 PM

I haven't seen 50 Shades of Grey yet... though I do know the book was terrible.... and yet I can still say unequivocally that it is a better movie about space travel than interstellar was...

J. Falcon · 03-20-2015, 01:23 PM

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I haven't seen 50 Shades of Grey yet... though I do know the book was terrible.... and yet I can still say unequivocally that it is a better movie about space travel than interstellar was...

This movie wasn't about space travel. It was about the importance of LOVE. It was like a soap opera disguised as a shitty sci fi movie.

J. Falcon · 03-20-2015, 01:26 PM

This review from IDMB summed it up pretty well for me:

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Sappy sentimentality and silly science

Christopher Nolan's new film delivers exactly what a pessimist would expect if a puffed-up Batman director thought he could eclipse Kubrick's '2001'. Instead of anything original, 'Interstellar's' long-winded prologue introduces the familiar components of a Steven Spielberg/Norman Rockwell Sci-Fi co-production - a dying Earth, a widowed ex-astronaut farmer, his chiseled jaw, a feisty daughter, a crusty grandpa, paranormal activity, dust storms, baseball, cornfields - and lots of corn.

After about an hour - which seems like two - a valiant crew lifts off in search of a planet to save humanity. Once they've journeyed through an intergalactic star-gate, the implausibility quotient increases to cosmic levels of absurdity. Scientific hocus-pocus is stirred into the sentimental sludge as wormholes, gigantic tidal waves, cliff-edge fisticuffs, explosions, betrayals and black hole roller-coaster rides eventually lead to the obligatory tear-jerking climax. The visual effects are above average, but far short of awesome. When all is said and done, the film's mawkishness, self-importance and grinding tedium leave one rooting for humanity's extinction.

NoWhErE · 03-20-2015, 01:36 PM

I liked it. I found it to be imaginative. I don't care if the science isn't exact. If that were the case, lots of movies would be total bombs like Terminator 2, Matrix, Star Trek, Jurrasic Park, etc.

We each have our own tastes and opinions.

And I'll end with what I always used to say in film school to people nitpicking hollywood blockbusters: "If its such shit, go ahead and write something better!"

J. Falcon · 03-20-2015, 01:49 PM

You don't seem to get it. I'm not arguing against the "science" in this movie. It's a science fiction movie, fine.

Most of the points I've made are about plot holes.

Relentless · 03-20-2015, 01:59 PM

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This movie wasn't about space travel. It was about the importance of LOVE. It was like a soap opera disguised as a shitty sci fi movie.

Are you speaking about 50 Shades of Grey or Interstellar?

Actually, the same sentence applies to both films... and that says all anyone needs to know.

J. Falcon · 03-20-2015, 02:04 PM

I also didn't understand (1) - how did Cooper go from the depths of the black hole to floating in space and getting picked up. (2) - how the soda can robot picked up and analyzed all that info from the singularity or whatever. But hey, I guess to really be "entertained" you shouldn't ask questions like that. We're all suppose to be total fucking zombies when it comes to films like this, otherwise you won't enjoy it.

bronco67 · 03-20-2015, 04:31 PM

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I disagree.

I don't understand how you can enjoy such a steaming pile of emotional hog-wash, with a cheesy plot that could have been written by a 12 year old, paper thin characters, bad acting, plot holes left and right to the point it becomes enjoyable.

Please tell me what part of this movie is thought-provoking? That love transcends all barriers all barriers? That might be thought-provoking and emotional for a teenage girl with deeper issues.

Entertaining? Maybe visually entertaining, that's it.

I don't consider myself smarter than anyone, but when movies like this come out and are praised by almost everyone it makes me seriously question the intelligence of the majority. There's nothing fun about that feeling.

Thanks for proving my point.

bronco67 · 03-20-2015, 04:38 PM

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I also didn't understand (1) - how did Cooper go from the depths of the black hole to floating in space and getting picked up. (2) - how the soda can robot picked up and analyzed all that info from the singularity or whatever. But hey, I guess to really be "entertained" you shouldn't ask questions like that. We're all suppose to be total fucking zombies when it comes to films like this, otherwise you won't enjoy it.

How do you get in or out of a black hole if it's not actually a hole? The singularity was created by humans way in the future who put it there so he could send messages backwards temporally. Once he was done with his task, he was sent back to the edge of the wormhole near Saturn to be picked up, although it would be many years later in the span of minutes before his oxygen ran out. What's not to understand?

Even if I'm not exactly right, why does it need to make perfect sense to be enjoyable? There's this quality called suspension of disbelief. Look into it, and make your life more enjoyable.

You just like to have a bug up your ass. There's a lot of people who thought this was the best movie of 2014.

J. Falcon · 03-20-2015, 05:36 PM

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You just like to have a bug up your ass. There's a lot of people who thought this was the best movie of 2014.

Yeah there are a lot of simple-minded people out there. That's how the movie industry in the US thrives. The good news is there are still some good movies being made, though few and far between.

J. Falcon · 03-20-2015, 05:39 PM

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Thanks for proving my point.

Is your point that you like movies where you don't ask yourself questions or think about anything? What did you call it, suspension of belief?

bronco67 · 03-20-2015, 06:53 PM

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Is your point that you like movies where you don't ask yourself questions or think about anything? What did you call it, suspension of belief?

I go into a movie wanting to enjoy it, so it has to fuck up real bad to lose me. But I know when something is bad, and it doesn't mean it necessarily has to lessen my enjoyment.

Who else comes into a thread about a critically praised movie constantly attempting to present half-assed arguments as to why it sucks, in a really angry manner? Someone who doesn't enjoy movies to begin with?

What is GOOD to you?

J. Falcon · 03-20-2015, 07:11 PM

I thought my arguments were good.

Bladewire · 03-20-2015, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by :
Sappy sentimentality and silly science

Christopher Nolan's new film delivers exactly what a pessimist would expect if a puffed-up Batman director thought he could eclipse Kubrick's '2001'. Instead of anything original, 'Interstellar's' long-winded prologue introduces the familiar components of a Steven Spielberg/Norman Rockwell Sci-Fi co-production - a dying Earth, a widowed ex-astronaut farmer, his chiseled jaw, a feisty daughter, a crusty grandpa, paranormal activity, dust storms, baseball, cornfields - and lots of corn.

After about an hour - which seems like two - a valiant crew lifts off in search of a planet to save humanity. Once they've journeyed through an intergalactic star-gate, the implausibility quotient increases to cosmic levels of absurdity. Scientific hocus-pocus is stirred into the sentimental sludge as wormholes, gigantic tidal waves, cliff-edge fisticuffs, explosions, betrayals and black hole roller-coaster rides eventually lead to the obligatory tear-jerking climax. The visual effects are above average, but far short of awesome. When all is said and done, the film's mawkishness, self-importance and grinding tedium leave one rooting for humanity's extinction.

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The fake square robots were distracting but the plot twists,FX & lofty mind bending convinced me a couple hours in that even though they bit off more then they could chew it wasn't a total wast of time.

My review said the same without the pomp & bitter venom ;)

georgeyw · 03-21-2015, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

I can't imagine how some of you could enjoy anything. It's not a science report, it's a fucking movie -- and an entertaining, thought provoking, emotional one at that.

being smarter and more cynical than everyone else can't be that much fun.

Agree 1000%

MetaMan · 03-21-2015, 04:11 AM

AMAZING movie, only complete idiots won't like it.

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I also didn't understand (1) - how did Cooper go from the depths of the black hole to floating in space and getting picked up. (2) - how the soda can robot picked up and analyzed all that info from the singularity or whatever. But hey, I guess to really be "entertained" you shouldn't ask questions like that. We're all suppose to be total fucking zombies when it comes to films like this, otherwise you won't enjoy it.

IT IS A FUCKING MOVIE!

When you go to have sex with a woman do you analyze every molecule on her pussy or do you just put your dick in?

what "zombies"? it is a fucking movie. You idiots who try oh so hard to sound smart at every moment of your lives make me laugh. You have to be dumb as rocks to over analyze a movie in the first place.

Paul · 03-21-2015, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

I liked it. I found it to be imaginative. I don't care if the science isn't exact. If that were the case, lots of movies would be total bombs like Terminator 2, Matrix, Star Trek, Jurrasic Park, etc.

We each have our own tastes and opinions.

And I'll end with what I always used to say in film school to people nitpicking hollywood blockbusters: "If its such shit, go ahead and write something better!"

Europa Report (2013)

That Sci-fi film cost less than $10 million to make, so about $155 million less than Intersellar

Just my opinion, but it's a much better fillm

BTW has anyone watched Predestination (2014)

I thought that was excellent!

Who's looking forward to Ex Machina (2015)

mineistaken · 03-21-2015, 05:19 AM

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Europa Report (2013)

That Sci-fi film cost less than $10 million to make, so about $155 million less

Sounds interesting, thanks for recommendation.

Bladewire · 03-21-2015, 06:52 AM

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AMAZING movie, only complete idiots won't like it.

IT IS A FUCKING MOVIE!

When you go to have sex with a woman do you analyze every molecule on her pussy or do you just put your dick in?

what "zombies"? it is a fucking movie. You idiots who try oh so hard to sound smart at every moment of your lives make me laugh. You have to be dumb as rocks to over analyze a movie in the first place.

A woman?

Relentless · 03-21-2015, 07:11 AM

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IT IS A FUCKING MOVIE!

Barely...

Bladewire · 03-21-2015, 07:16 AM

Avatar set the bar

J. Falcon · 03-21-2015, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

AMAZING movie, only complete idiots won't like it.

IT IS A FUCKING MOVIE!

When you go to have sex with a woman do you analyze every molecule on her pussy or do you just put your dick in?

what "zombies"? it is a fucking movie. You idiots who try oh so hard to sound smart at every moment of your lives make me laugh. You have to be dumb as rocks to over analyze a movie in the first place.

IMO you have to be dumb NOT to analyze a movie. What's the point of watching it if you're not going to ask yourself certain questions about the plot etc?

atom · 03-21-2015, 07:56 AM

I watched it last night. Against popular opinion - I liked it and thought it was entertaining.

Also, Predestination was an awesome flick.

Framar · 03-22-2015, 05:42 AM

Excellent movie.

No wonder GFY simpletons didn't like it. It's too complex for average sigwhore.

Framar · 03-22-2015, 05:48 AM

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I also didn't understand (1) - how did Cooper go from the depths of the black hole to floating in space and getting picked up. (2) - how the soda can robot picked up and analyzed all that info from the singularity or whatever. But hey, I guess to really be "entertained" you shouldn't ask questions like that. We're all suppose to be total fucking zombies when it comes to films like this, otherwise you won't enjoy it.

1) It was a 5-dimension place where time, space, and gravity work differently. Cooper found a time/place where humanity had received his message and already build ships to fly to Saturn for that wormhole.

2) No one has any idea what's really going inside black holes. So it's just a theory and a guess.

J. Falcon · 03-22-2015, 05:49 AM

Nothing complex, deep or philosophical about it, but I bet you feel really smart for liking it. Pseudo-intellectual film for the masses.

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J. Falcon www.AdultCopywriters.com Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 31,591	Honestly, of all the BS in this movie (and there was a lot of it), what pissed me off the most was the protagonist and his approach to the entire mission. Here you are, trying to save humanity, traveling from star to star, discovering the mysteries of the universe, and he is more concerned about fulfilling a promise to his daughter to return home. All of that on a relationship that wasn't even established to begin with. It's bullshit. Typical Hollywood tripe bullshit. Don't-go-to-space-or-I'm-a-gonna-cry __________________ Adult Copywriters SEO Content for Porn Sites sales at adultcopywriters dot com

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NoWhErE Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 10,261	I liked it. I found it to be imaginative. I don't care if the science isn't exact. If that were the case, lots of movies would be total bombs like Terminator 2, Matrix, Star Trek, Jurrasic Park, etc. We each have our own tastes and opinions. And I'll end with what I always used to say in film school to people nitpicking hollywood blockbusters: "If its such shit, go ahead and write something better!" __________________ skype: lordofthecameltoe

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Framar Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 45	Excellent movie. No wonder GFY simpletons didn't like it. It's too complex for average sigwhore.

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