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Grapesoda · 11-13-2014, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Most developers I know use a Mac. I wouldn't call then noobs, which was my point.

I can build a PC to any specification possible, but I choose to use a Mac because I don't need to build anything to get a great system. The OS alone is reason enough for me to own a Mac, because it runs a very stable UNIX operating system, with a fantastic GUI and the best development tools that exist. Plus I can run Windows on it using Parallels with no noticeable speed degradation.

I had asked a devloper about that one time.... told 2 things... might different now.. first my buddies that wrote code went to macs when linux was used for the kernel for the OS, and I was told that macs are great for coding but for heavy duty compiling they like PC's... no idea myself

Grapesoda · 11-13-2014, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

that's exactly it...

if mac users were fanatical about their cars instead of computers, it would go something like this:

"I went to pick up my kids from school in my chevy"
"so I was driving in my chevy, and this guy almost crashed into me"
"Hey, I'll be late, I'm stuck in traffic in my chevy"
"oh? you are going to get your oil changed? I have never changed oil in my chevy and it still runs great!"
"I'll pick you up at 8, in my chevy"...
"I turn the ignition, and my chevy 'just works'"

or if they were fanatical about tools:

"so I was fixing my kids bike with my craftsman tool set"
"I put together some furniture today, with my crafstman screw driver.."

etc. etc...

just think about it... would a normal person EVER mention the fact that they used a craftsman screw driver when putting together furniture? then why would anyone EVER mention they used a mac when sending out an email?

Harley guys do the same shit

Clay · 11-13-2014, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

if he doesn't even know about Xamarin and the half dozen other tools to develop for iOS on Windows, then he doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

Why would an Objective-C & Xcode professor tell his students to use Xamarin and write code in C#?

Yes you are right, with Xamarin you can build iOS apps on a windows machine. But it's in C# not native iOS and you have to pay $999 a year if you want to use professional tools like an interface builder for iOS, otherwise you have to build your iOS apps interface in code. Fuck that.

I dont know any way to develop native iOS apps using Xcode with ObJC or Swift on anything but a Mac. And that was my point

edgeprod · 11-13-2014, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

I had asked a devloper about that one time.... told 2 things... might different now.. first my buddies that wrote code went to macs when linux was used for the kernel for the OS, and I was told that macs are great for coding but for heavy duty compiling they like PC's... no idea myself

When was Linux used for the kernel of Mac OS X? I wasn't aware of this. As far as I knew, it's always been UNIX .. and still is.

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Originally Posted by Clay

Why would an Objective-C & Xcode professor tell his students to use Xamarin and write code in C#?

I'm only going by what you said below, which is that your iOS professor said that you CANNOT build one on Windows .. which isn't true. I can't go back in time and change his words to make him sound like less of an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Clay

The very first thing my iOS professor said in the first 10 minutes of the class was "If you want to build an iOS app, then you will need a Mac.
I'm sorry for Windows users but I don't make the rules I just follow them."

If you know something my expert level iOS professor doesn't I'd like to hear it.

Clay · 11-13-2014, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dicknipples

What if I told you, you could create iOS, Android, Blackberry, and Windows Phone apps using the same tools you use to build your website, without learning Java, C++ or even .NET?

Im not talking about Phonegap/Titanium/Adobe Air etc where the performance isnt as good as native. Im talking about building professional level apps. I don't know any way to do it without Xcode and ObjC.

edgeprod · 11-13-2014, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Clay

Im not talking about Phonegap/Titanium/Adobe Air etc where the performance isnt as good as native. Im talking about building professional level apps. I don't know any way to do it without Xcode and ObjC.

Until everyone switches to Swift, Objective-C will still be the main driver of iOS development .. but its days are likely numbered.

dicknipples · 11-13-2014, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Clay

where the performance isnt as good as native.

You're one of those guys aren't you? Premature optimization is the death of a developer.

LinkedIn and Facebook both used HTML and JavaScript to build their iOS and Android apps until the usage heavily outweighed the performance issue and also were heavy evangelists regarding using HTML and JavaScript. Fact of the matter is 99% of developers, especially you would never be in their shoes so don't be so worried about such performance reasons.

Clay · 11-13-2014, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

I'm only going by what you said below, which is that your iOS professor said that you CANNOT build one on Windows .. which isn't true. I can't go back in time and change his words to make him sound like less of an idiot.

Yes you're correct, I wasn't clear in my specifications and your solution does allow iOS development on a Windows machine.

The meaning behind what he said is that the course is on ObJ C and Xcode and you need a Mac in order to use it. You cant use Xcode on Windows. If you can easily without hacking something together or spending more money than just buying a used Mac then I'd like to see it.

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

Until everyone switches to Swift, Objective-C will still be the main driver of iOS development .. but its days are likely numbered.

Yeah the iOS developers I chatted with tell me program in Objective C and are resisting Swift. We'll see...

Dvae · 11-13-2014, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

on the newer macs upgrading ram is a thing of the past.

Please Tony where did you learn this from your boy Obama?

Mac Mini
http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT4432

Imac
http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201191

Far as I know all are upgradeable.

Dvae · 11-13-2014, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

you flatter yourself, we could care less

Yup, you don't care so much you start a thread evey five minutes letting us all know how much you don't care!

dicknipples · 11-13-2014, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dvae

Yup, you don't care so much you start a thread evey five minutes letting us all know how much you don't care!

AdultKing · 11-13-2014, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dicknipples

Once again you're wrong.

Clearly you don't understand development and tools available to you. Because once again, I can develop all major mobile OS apps on all 3 major computer OS's.

Dig deep, you'll find out. And no you don't have to hack Windows, no you don't have to use a Hackintosh either.

What's even great is I can do all this from the same codebase, for all 3 major mobile operating systems.

You're obviously talking about LiveCode or similar.

The problem with LiveCode (I own an Enterprise License) is that for anything other than stack based applications it's useless. Try writing an app with extensive use of Metal in LiveCode, for all the trouble that will cause you - you'd be better off using the right tool and the right tool is Xcode on a Mac.

AdultKing · 11-13-2014, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

first my buddies that wrote code went to macs when linux was used for the kernel for the OS,

Mach has always been the kernel of OS X and Mach was the kernel for NextStep / OpenStep which preceded it.

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

When was Linux used for the kernel of Mac OS X? I wasn't aware of this. As far as I knew, it's always been UNIX .. and still is.

Mac OS X is UNIX certified, however the kernel is Mach.

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

Until everyone switches to Swift, Objective-C will still be the main driver of iOS development .. but its days are likely numbered.

While Cocoa and Cocoa Touch are ObjC based there will always be a place of ObjC , even running inside Swift apps.

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Originally Posted by dicknipples

LinkedIn and Facebook both used HTML and JavaScript to build their iOS and Android apps until the usage heavily outweighed the performance issue and also were heavy evangelists regarding using HTML and JavaScript. Fact of the matter is 99% of developers, especially you would never be in their shoes so don't be so worried about such performance reasons.

Web apps are not native apps, apples and oranges.

dicknipples · 11-13-2014, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Web apps are not native apps, apples and oranges.

Look into Trigger.io and Apache Cordova. Using HTML, CSS and JavaScript to build native apps using WebView.

These apps are built natively. They are not web apps.

L-Pink · 11-13-2014, 02:58 PM

MPGdevil · 11-13-2014, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dicknipples

I can't take anything you people say seriously when you spew bullshit like this.

Maybe do some research on the subject at hand before you start slinging retardation around the place? I can develop Android, Windows Phone, iOS and even Blackberry apps on Mac, Linux and Windows.

But I wouldn't expect a simpleton to know that.

Now get the fuck off my lawn.

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To develop iOS apps, you need:
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A Mac computer running OS X 10.8 (Mountain Lion) or later

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Xcode

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iOS SDK

Xcode is Apple’s integrated development environment (IDE). Xcode includes a source editor, a graphical user interface editor, and many other features. The iOS SDK extends the Xcode toolset to include the tools, compilers, and frameworks you need specifically for iOS development.

You can download the latest version of Xcode for free from the App Store on your Mac. (You need OS X version 10.8 to download Xcode. If you have an earlier version of OS X, you need to upgrade.) The iOS SDK is included with Xcode.

https://developer.apple.com/library/...ed/RoadMapiOS/

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Note: Development of iOS apps requires an Intel-based Macintosh computer with the iOS SDK
installed. For information about how to get the iOS SDK, go to the iOS Dev Center.

https://developer.apple.com/library/...mmingGuide.pdf

Not going to dick around on Google to find workarounds how to make an App, when the first thing I am told BY APPLE THEMSELVES THAT I NEED A MAC TO MAKE APPS. Not like it ruined my day anyway, I just had some interest until Apple killed it.

Now go suck your dad dry so he don't breed any more asshats.

The Porn Nerd · 11-13-2014, 04:13 PM

Man the geeks are out tonight eh?

You coders kill me - God Bless every last one of you crazy fuckers haha!

dicknipples · 11-13-2014, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MPGdevil

Not going to dick around on Google to find workarounds how to make an App, when the first thing I am told BY APPLE THEMSELVES THAT I NEED A MAC TO MAKE APPS. Not like it ruined my day anyway, I just had some interest until Apple killed it.

http://trigger.io && http://cordova.apache.org

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Originally Posted by MPGdevil

Now go suck your dad dry so he don't breed any more asshats.

You're a prime example of why I support abortion up until the fetus is 225 months.

edgeprod · 11-13-2014, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MPGdevil

I am told BY APPLE THEMSELVES THAT I NEED A MAC TO MAKE APPS.

Gee, I wonder why they'd say that? Maybe because they want to control the ecosystem and sell more Macs? The truth is that you CAN develop for iOS on Windows, it's just not ideal. I don't know why any serious developer would use Windows with a straight face anyway .. it's not even *NIX-based.

Grapesoda · 11-13-2014, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dvae

Yup, you don't care so much you start a thread evey five minutes letting us all know how much you don't care!

like church.... could care less if you go to church but I know the breakfast joint wont be crowed until you guys get out... that's how I feel about macs...

Grapesoda · 11-13-2014, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

When was Linux used for the kernel of Mac OS X? I wasn't aware of this. As far as I knew, it's always been UNIX .. and still is.

told ya I don't know and I have such crappy actual problems on a dally basis running a content company that whatever goes on with macs and mackys is of little concern to me

Clay · 11-13-2014, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dicknipples

You're a prime example of why I support abortion up until the fetus is 225 months.

that's a great line, I can't wait to say that to someone someday

MPGdevil · 11-14-2014, 12:07 AM

@dicknipples

Please forget my last sentence. I was in a quite bad mood yesterday and your comments didn't really help. Sorry I regret that.

I went to Apples site to expect the tools for programming, only to be told Mac needed. Didn't really go further than that when I know how restricted Apple are with their stuff.

2MuchMark · 11-14-2014, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

you flatter yourself, we could care less

.... says the person who started this thread Lol !!

Grapesoda · 11-14-2014, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

.... says the person who started this thread Lol !!

yup.... and I sit back watch you dumb fucks go at it

nico-t · 11-14-2014, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

that's exactly it...

if mac users were fanatical about their cars instead of computers, it would go something like this:

"I went to pick up my kids from school in my chevy"
"so I was driving in my chevy, and this guy almost crashed into me"
"Hey, I'll be late, I'm stuck in traffic in my chevy"
"oh? you are going to get your oil changed? I have never changed oil in my chevy and it still runs great!"
"I'll pick you up at 8, in my chevy"...
"I turn the ignition, and my chevy 'just works'"

or if they were fanatical about tools:

"so I was fixing my kids bike with my craftsman tool set"
"I put together some furniture today, with my crafstman screw driver.."

etc. etc...

just think about it... would a normal person EVER mention the fact that they used a craftsman screw driver when putting together furniture? then why would anyone EVER mention they used a mac when sending out an email?

FUCKING SPOT ON

/thread

dicknipples · 11-14-2014, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t

FUCKING SPOT ON

/thread

NOT EVEN CLOSE

/wrists

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MPGdevil Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,210	@dicknipples Please forget my last sentence. I was in a quite bad mood yesterday and your comments didn't really help. Sorry I regret that. I went to Apples site to expect the tools for programming, only to be told Mac needed. Didn't really go further than that when I know how restricted Apple are with their stuff.