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Vendzilla · 11-21-2014, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I agree with your thoughts on entitlement programs.

Which proves what I said...the Federal govt. CREATES these problems. And then struggles to "fix" them.

If the feds themselves didn't create massive entitlements, then citizens wouldn't try to get them. And if the feds hadn't went down to Columbia and went after the cocaine cartels...the Mexican cartels wouldn't exist. If the feds would go ahead and legalize marijuana and other recreational drugs then there wouldn't be the violence on the border.

It's a fucked up situation for sure. But you and I didn't create it.

It was created by lifetime/career bureaucrats in Washington D.C. taking money from special interests to pass stupid laws that only benefit the companies best interests.

People want to get high? Not unless we can hook 'em on prescription drugs and make billions!

You'll get no argument from me there, I'm in complete agreement

Axeman · 11-21-2014, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

I have a feeling those first few years the democrats felt like they were going to be in power for a while. They had swept into office and there was a strong anti-republican feel in the nation.

The super-majority didn't stop the republicans from filibustering. From 2007-the first few months of 2010 there were at least 142 filibusters and votes for cloture. The democrats had the 60 votes to pass things, but since there were actually 58 democrats and 2 independents it was't a 100% guaranteed thing that they could get 60 votes on ever bill. not to mention the stalling tactics the republicans used in the house to delay things.

To me both parties during that time laid down a blueprint on how to cause problems for the other party. The republicans showed that if you are the minority and you just adopt the "Say no to everything" attitude you can be rewarded during the election. The democrats showed that there are ways to get around the filibuster and stall tactics so you can still do what you want. Both of those plans can come back to bite you if the roles are reversed.

I won't be shocked to see the democrats trying to block anything and everything republican based over the next two years and I won't be shocked to see the republicans use some of the same tactics they slammed the democrats for using to get around it.

Yes, while the Dems had the super majority, they were unable to rally everyone around the same plan. You had a lot of vulnerable blue dog Democrats that were unwilling to go as far as the Liberal left wing base wanted. They could have done anything they wanted, but self preservation was more important.

Axeman · 11-21-2014, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I agree with your thoughts on entitlement programs.

Which proves what I said...the Federal govt. CREATES these problems. And then struggles to "fix" them.

If the feds themselves didn't create massive entitlements, then citizens wouldn't try to get them. And if the feds hadn't went down to Columbia and went after the cocaine cartels...the Mexican cartels wouldn't exist. If the feds would go ahead and legalize marijuana and other recreational drugs then there wouldn't be the violence on the border.

It's a fucked up situation for sure. But you and I didn't create it.

It was created by lifetime/career bureaucrats in Washington D.C. taking money from special interests to pass stupid laws that only benefit the companies best interests.

People want to get high? Not unless we can hook 'em on prescription drugs and make billions!

100% agreed.

John_Galbani · 11-21-2014, 05:41 PM

Maybe I cam imigrate to USA now and take one of American's jobs.

kane · 11-21-2014, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Axeman

Yes, while the Dems had the super majority, they were unable to rally everyone around the same plan. You had a lot of vulnerable blue dog Democrats that were unwilling to go as far as the Liberal left wing base wanted. They could have done anything they wanted, but self preservation was more important.

I wonder if we will see some of this now with the republicans. There are clearly different factions within the party and some of them are going to be afraid to support the other's policies.

Personally, I think we need term limits. It would help do away withe the self-preservation fear and allow people do what was right instead of what they thought would get them elected.

Robbie · 11-21-2014, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

Personally, I think we need term limits. It would help do away withe the self-preservation fear and allow people do what was right instead of what they thought would get them elected.

Yeah, funny how Congress voted in term limits for the President after FDR won 4 times in a row...but allowed THEMSELVES to serve forever.

EDIT: And by "serve" I really mean...hold power as the RULING elite

Jel · 11-21-2014, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

much needed tax dollars...

tony286 · 11-21-2014, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Yeah, funny how Congress voted in term limits for the President after FDR won 4 times in a row...but allowed THEMSELVES to serve forever.

EDIT: And by "serve" I really mean...hold power as the RULING elite

you are right , its bullshit. it should 10 yrs and youre out and cant have anything to do with gov so no lobbyist job.

Robbie · 11-21-2014, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

you are right , its bullshit. it should 10 yrs and youre out and cant have anything to do with gov so no lobbyist job.

That would definitely stop the outright stealing and corruption going on in govt. for damn sure. ESPECIALLY your idea of being banned from lobbying or any other govt. function (Maybe just banned from that branch of govt: legislative...so you could still become President or a Supreme Court Justice)

kane · 11-21-2014, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

you are right , its bullshit. it should 10 yrs and youre out and cant have anything to do with gov so no lobbyist job.

Yep, once you hold elected office you are done. You see so many of these people that just keep running for different offices and when they aren't in office they work for lobbying firms and things like that. Politics, like working at McDonald's was never meant to be a career.

Rochard · 11-21-2014, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

Yep, once you hold elected office you are done. You see so many of these people that just keep running for different offices and when they aren't in office they work for lobbying firms and things like that. Politics, like working at McDonald's was never meant to be a career.

Explain that to McCain.

Although I guess with the money his wife has this is more of a hobby for him.

MK Ultra · 11-21-2014, 06:17 PM

Holy shit, am I seeing signs of consensus on gfy?!

I can die now I've seen it all

bronco67 · 11-21-2014, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

@Vendzilla:
My point is that if your family had to go through what a person does today to gain citizenship...you wouldn't be here.

If it had taken years and years plus thousands of dollars to get through Ellis Island...we'd all be screwed.

As for Muslim "terrorists" coming through Mexico?
I'm not of the persuasion that any of us should be living our lives in fear of the "boogeyman".
Crazy motherfuckers are always gonna do crazy shit. And creating a wall just like the communists did in Germany after WW2 is NOT the answer to anything in my humble opinion.

That side lives in fear of everything. They have their own channel dedicated to spreading fear to old white people 24/7, so they'll get out and vote while young people aren't.

bronco67 · 11-21-2014, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

I wonder if we will see some of this now with the republicans. There are clearly different factions within the party and some of them are going to be afraid to support the other's policies.

Personally, I think we need term limits. It would help do away withe the self-preservation fear and allow people do what was right instead of what they thought would get them elected.

term limits and IQ tests....

slapass · 11-21-2014, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

It doesn't cost thousands, it cost $595 for an application and $85 for a finger print fee. Yes, congress has talked about raising that and there are ways of getting it for free.

I just had a good friend become a citizen, it took her a few years, but she did it legally.

And I'm not talking about a wall, a wall is useless in most areas along the border. We can build a virtual wall using sensors and drones. Enforce the law, they get caught, they get booked and sent back, period. If they do it again, it's a felony and they do time. This is the law now, but not enforced

We do most of this. And he added this.

http://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/fil...01992-2013.pdf

Get over the hate. He actually has been tough on the southern border.

Matt 26z · 11-21-2014, 09:56 PM

The US immigration system is not broken. What's broken is Mexican's comprehension that this is not their country. As long as there are illegal Mexicans in the US, these Mexicans are going to claim the system is broken.

Seems like these are mostly Mexicans of native American descent. Why aren't they being put on the Indian reservations?

mikesouth · 11-21-2014, 09:56 PM

Im with you Robbie, it should be simple. if you come here at your own expense, are willing to work, pay your taxes and contribute to society you should be welcomed. You shouldnt have free healthcare you shouldnt be able to collect social welfare, or anything else, providing free money, phones and healthcare for the poor is not the function of government whether you are a citizen or not.

Id support a one for one trade...we will trade you one welfare collecting leech suckling the public teat for one hard working person willing to live within their means, go to work, pay taxes and abide by the laws of our society

Becoming a citizen should be easier and we should want as many as we can get...

2MuchMark · 11-21-2014, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MK Ultra

Holy shit, am I seeing signs of consensus on gfy?!

Hey! Them's fightin' words!

Captain Kawaii · 11-22-2014, 12:20 AM

Mexico's new gringo surcharge...

Report: Mexico may start charging Americans who cross the border - The Week

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mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,346	Im with you Robbie, it should be simple. if you come here at your own expense, are willing to work, pay your taxes and contribute to society you should be welcomed. You shouldnt have free healthcare you shouldnt be able to collect social welfare, or anything else, providing free money, phones and healthcare for the poor is not the function of government whether you are a citizen or not. Id support a one for one trade...we will trade you one welfare collecting leech suckling the public teat for one hard working person willing to live within their means, go to work, pay taxes and abide by the laws of our society Becoming a citizen should be easier and we should want as many as we can get... __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	The US immigration system is not broken. What's broken is Mexican's comprehension that this is not their country. As long as there are illegal Mexicans in the US, these Mexicans are going to claim the system is broken. Seems like these are mostly Mexicans of native American descent. Why aren't they being put on the Indian reservations?

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