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Old 11-15-2014, 08:48 AM   #1
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Putin Reacts To Canadian Prime Minister's Order To Get Out Of Ukraine

Stephen Harper had a showdown with Vladimir Putin on Saturday, telling the Russian leader to "get out of Ukraine" in a dustup at the Group of 20 summit in Australia.

Harper's spokesman, Jason MacDonald, said the prime minister was speaking to a group of G20 leaders at a private leaders' retreat on Saturday morning when Putin approached and extended his hand.

MacDonald said Harper told Putin: "I guess I'll shake your hand but I have only one thing to say to you: You need to get out of Ukraine."

Stephen Harper at G20 tells Vladimir Putin to 'get out of Ukraine' - World - CBC News

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Hey Harper, you need to get out of Afghanistan, Iraq and any other country you're meddling with.
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Sure. We did.

How well did that work?
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Hey Harper, you need to get out of Afghanistan, Iraq and any other country you're meddling with.
Right on Canadians used to be peacekeepers, not a US Stooge
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Sure. We did.

How well did that work?
That was just the latest batch of interference. There has been imperialist aggressive intervention there for decades so you can't look at only that post 9/11 incident.

You might be referring to ISIS. People were not in favor of going into Syria but now with the recent ISIS flare up a majority is ok returning.

So, how well did that work out? Should we have stayed in Iraq, should we have gone into Syria?

Answer: None of this would've happened if there was a non-interventionist foreign policy to begin with. ISIS was trained, funded and armed by the west while they were in Syria. They were allies and now they got off the leash and are evil apparently. This happens over and over and over. The imperial west meddles where they shouldn't, they cause a shit storm and problems and the solution is more shit storms and problems and then more of the same over and over.
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Sounds like what happened with Iran Contra
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Send seals and hunt this crazy little guy down. bastard former KGB thinks of himself as must powerful man in the world.
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Hey Harper, you need to get out of Afghanistan, Iraq and any other country you're meddling with.
All 26 soldiers? That's all that is left in iraq, working as advisers and we don't have any left in Afghanistan.

Did you stop reading the news? or did someone block it for you?
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All 26 soldiers? That's all that is left in iraq, working as advisers and we don't have any left in Afghanistan.

Did you stop reading the news? or did someone block it for you?
My point is more about the attitude than the number of soldiers left there. This kind of behavior is only ok when "the good guys" of the imperial west do it. Anyone else is horrible and tyrannical and evil if they do it.

Bottom line is no one should act this way, leave your neighbors alone and mind your own business. True free trade, not the farce with tariffs and subsidies etc, and voluntary interactions should be the order of the day. Unfortunately, this is not likely to ever take hold as much as it should and that's why a strong defensive military is still necessary.
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My point is more about the attitude than the number of soldiers left there. This kind of behavior is only ok when "the good guys" of the imperial west do it. Anyone else is horrible and tyrannical and evil if they do it.
exactly, sadly many brainwashed ppl just don't get it.....
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President Harper has to stop embarassing Canada... what a dick.

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President Harper has to stop embarassing Canada... what a dick.
Damn straight....... he sounds like a Kerry/McCain mouth piece.

The whole world is now full of governments and world leaders who are just gonna follow the US line. Harper, Cameron, all of them indoctrinated, sheeples, stooges, poodles.

Putin should have just told him: "FUCK OFF"
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Canadians were always cool,and polite. I think they don't need this warmonger talking about things on the other side of globe. I mean, it is much better to enjoy freedom and peace instead putting your nose in all that mess.
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Stephen Harper had a showdown with Vladimir Putin on Saturday, telling the Russian leader to "get out of Ukraine" in a dustup at the Group of 20 summit in Australia.
I have only one question actually. How much time it will take for him to simple find the Ukraine on the World map like this:



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..lets start by'out of Canada '
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He is not president, but prime minister, tough he would like to be king with the brit flag
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Canadians are passive-aggressive faggots.
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Send seals and hunt this crazy little guy down. bastard former KGB thinks of himself as must powerful man in the world.


dude I hate to break it to you but your "seals" are not capable of reaching putin in any way shape or form...your army is pathetic and a horrible joke on your wallet ...ok you can bully some 3rd world shit hole but your i-army just like your i-healthcare just like your i-education is: nothing special...its like american automobiles it "ok" but nothing special...like everything in the USA...

reality: putin has the "off" switch to all life on earth be it nuclear or bacterial...so does the USA but you guys have thin skin...thin thin skin...

more reality: you fucked up in vietnam so bad it hurts, your incompetence in avghanistan is legendary, your "liberation" of iraq is a joke ect...name it, and the US army fucked up...shit you even fucked up WW2 by nuking fishermen to have some "glory" because stalin marched right in to Berlin and was swinging his huge dick towards japan and you really really had to bomb them fishermen (?!?!?) because war torn to shit jap was your laaaaast shot at claiming any glory at all...

now be good and do not upset putin
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dude I hate to break it to you but your "seals" are not capable of reaching putin in any way shape or form...your army is pathetic and a horrible joke on your wallet ...ok you can bully some 3rd world shit hole but your i-army just like your i-healthcare just like your i-education is: nothing special...its like american automobiles it "ok" but nothing special...like everything in the USA...

reality: putin has the "off" switch to all life on earth be it nuclear or bacterial...so does the USA but you guys have thin skin...thin thin skin...

more reality: you fucked up in vietnam so bad it hurts, your incompetence in avghanistan is legendary, your "liberation" of iraq is a joke ect...name it, and the US army fucked up...shit you even fucked up WW2 by nuking fishermen to have some "glory" because stalin marched right in to Berlin and was swinging his huge dick towards japan and you really really had to bomb them fishermen (?!?!?) because war torn to shit jap was your laaaaast shot at claiming any glory at all...

now be good and do not upset putin
Seals eliminated Bin Laden.

What did russian troops ever do?

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dude I hate to break it to you but your "seals" are not capable of reaching putin in any way shape or form
Probably true

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...your army is pathetic and a horrible joke on your wallet
The soldiers are actually quite capable. The contractors suck and bill way too much and are mostly deceitful sacks of shit. I'll give you that. You don't have corrupt contractors or such?

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...ok you can bully some 3rd world shit hole but your i-army
We can bully almost anyone, maybe not Russia and China. That doesn't mean we should, but we can.

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just like your i-healthcare just like your i-education is: nothing special...its like american automobiles it "ok" but nothing special...
I'm blanking here, what is the Russian automobile that everyone is talking about? Or the Russian education system that everyone is talking about? Wait, wait, the ballet dancers, yes, the ballet dancers are very very good, when no one throws acid on them. Although David Halberg did go to the Bolshoi ...

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like everything in the USA...
Want to do a side by side comparison with any other nation? Choose 500 relevant data points, and we'll publish the results here. I am curious as to what the result would be.

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reality: putin has the "off" switch to all life on earth be it nuclear or bacterial...so does the USA but you guys have thin skin...thin thin skin...
You were making a kind of angry sense, now you went off the rails. He has destructive capability. But mostly people who talk a lot about how much they have, have less than they claim.

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more reality: you fucked up in vietnam so bad it hurts,
I'll give you this one. I've read books about it, talked to soldiers, senators, policy makers, professors, no one knows exactly why that went like it did, though everyone is sure they have it all explained.

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your incompetence in avghanistan is legendary,
Pot, meet kettle. Avghanistan is your Vietnam.

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your "liberation" of iraq is a joke ect...name it, and the US army fucked up...
Not the army, bro, the leaders. But yeah, you have us on the hurried, poorly thought out international intervention thing.

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shit you even fucked up WW2 by nuking fishermen to have some "glory" because stalin marched right in to Berlin and was swinging his huge dick towards japan and you really really had to bomb them fishermen (?!?!?) because war torn to shit jap was your laaaaast shot at claiming any glory at all...
Read what you wrote. You let your anger get the better of you or something. Are you defending Stalin? If you live in Russia, he probably killed someone from your family. Say what you like, USA has never had anyone like Stalin. If you want to be seen as making sense, never bring him up in a positive light again. If not, you still make no sense on this point.

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Well it is good for him to know you have his back, because he cares about you.
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What did russian troops ever do?
proper perspective: your elite "seal team six" raided a lone house in a 3rd world shit hole and you even lost a helicopter but still managed to kill an old man who was poorly defended...you even managed to fuck raiding a lone house up with just a few lightly armed guards and some women and these are the best guys you have so you have to appreciate the humor

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I'm blanking here, what is the Russian automobile that everyone is talking about? Or the Russian education system that everyone is talking about? Wait, wait, the ballet dancers, yes, the ballet dancers are very very good, when no one throws acid on them. Although David Halberg did go to the Bolshoi ...
you miss the point...your cars are FAR from being the best in the world, they do not hold a candle to BMW Merz Audi ect...your healthcare is up to par with cuba and serbia (3rd world bombed to shit shit holes with FREE health care with decades of sanctions behind them)...not saying your healthcare is shit, its just over priced and up to par with 3rd world shit holes...education is the same story: other countries have it for free and have better education than the USA...

dont you get it? the USA is nothing special...im sure in north korea and the USA the brainwash is so strong that you auto-dick suck anything made in USA or n.korea...you guys are just conditioned in to thinking USA=best at everything...reality is you are nothing special and putin can send you home any time he wishes because you have thin skin...

you would never dare attack putin or china simply because US voters would shit their pants and so would the army...you have never been in a fight against anybody strong it is not in your history...and you fuck up the fights against the weak in such a bad way that I really suggest leaving putin alone
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your healthcare is up to par with cuba and serbia (3rd world bombed to shit shit holes with FREE health care with decades of sanctions behind them)...not saying your healthcare is shit, its just over priced and up to par with 3rd world shit holes...
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In three of the four general categories of innovation examined in this paper ? basic science, diagnostics, and therapeutics ? the United States has contributed more than any other country, and in some cases, more than all other countries combined.

Today, the U.S. is the undisputed leader in medical innovation, and our biopharmaceutical sector is the envy of the world.

U.S. inventors and companies account for more than 80 percent of the world?s biotech R&D. Each year, we test more potential new medicines than the rest of the world combined. In 2011 alone, the FDA approved two novel personalized medicines for lung cancer and melanoma, two breakthrough medicines for Hepatitis C, 11 new medicines for rare diseases, and the first new medicine for treating lupus in more than 50 years."


America is a country of haves and have-nots, no dispute there but even an American have-not lives a far better life than most of the world. Look how fat they are, where do you think that came from? And his smart phone, and his Internet, and his cable TV.

Here's a lovely postcard from the paradise of Serbia, I believe this is Belgrade. Which one of these shacks is yours?

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My point is more about the attitude than the number of soldiers left there. This kind of behavior is only ok when "the good guys" of the imperial west do it. Anyone else is horrible and tyrannical and evil if they do it.

Bottom line is no one should act this way, leave your neighbors alone and mind your own business. True free trade, not the farce with tariffs and subsidies etc, and voluntary interactions should be the order of the day. Unfortunately, this is not likely to ever take hold as much as it should and that's why a strong defensive military is still necessary.
Nice back peddle. We have been withdrawn for years now but you came in here to cherry pick facts and it blew up in your face.

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exactly, sadly many brainwashed ppl just don't get it.....
Exactly, he had to back peddle and you want to believe that he was right so bad that you must assume the rest of the planet, except you, are completely brainwashed. Nice desperation.
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Please, tell us how great your Serb soldiers are again. And all of the great things Serbia does. Tell us abut your Serb special forces, Serb air force with its awesome fighter aircraft, bombers, stealth capabilities, drones, and the great Serbian Navy with it aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines.

Or, tell us about your sister sucking off the US Soldiers. We like that story.
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proper perspective: your elite "seal team six" raided a lone house in a 3rd world shit hole and you even lost a helicopter but still managed to kill an old man who was poorly defended...you even managed to fuck raiding a lone house up with just a few lightly armed guards and some women and these are the best guys you have so you have to appreciate the humor



you miss the point...your cars are FAR from being the best in the world, they do not hold a candle to BMW Merz Audi ect...your healthcare is up to par with cuba and serbia (3rd world bombed to shit shit holes with FREE health care with decades of sanctions behind them)...not saying your healthcare is shit, its just over priced and up to par with 3rd world shit holes...education is the same story: other countries have it for free and have better education than the USA...

dont you get it? the USA is nothing special...im sure in north korea and the USA the brainwash is so strong that you auto-dick suck anything made in USA or n.korea...you guys are just conditioned in to thinking USA=best at everything...reality is you are nothing special and putin can send you home any time he wishes because you have thin skin...

you would never dare attack putin or china simply because US voters would shit their pants and so would the army...you have never been in a fight against anybody strong it is not in your history...and you fuck up the fights against the weak in such a bad way that I really suggest leaving putin alone
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But seriously, if our healthcare is so bad, why is everyone coming here for it? It is actually good, just expensive.
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I get the point, there is poverty and homelessness in North America. Most of them are mentally ill or drug/alcohol addicts, we don't force people into hospitals like 30 years ago. Most of those people want to be left alone, there are programs for them, they choose not to take advantage of them.

I don't live in the United States, I wish I did. I don't know another country where you can live as well, definitely not Canada. I see homes all over the United States, nice homes, for under 100K. With a 30K annual income you can live well in the United States, can't really support a family well on it but if you don't have the skills or work ethic to make more than 30K you have no business having children. Which is part of the poverty problem in the US.
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Canada is like Russia. Without the art, literature, history, attractive women and ICBMs. They just got the crap weather.
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That below is photo of some gypsy ghetto. Those ghettos were leveled and gypsies got new and equipped barracks to live. Guess what happened?

They sold appliances and whatever they could from new settlements and continued to live like animals. There is no way to make them civilized and problem is that those gypsies have more rights compared to anyone else. Why? because EU is protecting them (through some NGOs) end sending all gypsies to Serbia. If someone say something against them,it is called racism and Serbia is punished. Simple as that. Gypsies are refusing education,help from state and they have their primitive organisation where mothers are using babies and small children to begg around. Since they don't have real addresses and they live like cattle m(just like on that photo) they can steal and bother people because their rights (not to live civilized) are guaranteed by EU.(as long as they stay in Serbia)


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The always amusing Serbian aristocrat showing off his inferiority complex with another anti-American diatribe.

"The United States remains the world leader in medical innovation, having produced more than half of the world?s new medicines over the last decade.

In three of the four general categories of innovation examined in this paper ? basic science, diagnostics, and therapeutics ? the United States has contributed more than any other country, and in some cases, more than all other countries combined.

Today, the U.S. is the undisputed leader in medical innovation, and our biopharmaceutical sector is the envy of the world.

U.S. inventors and companies account for more than 80 percent of the world?s biotech R&D. Each year, we test more potential new medicines than the rest of the world combined. In 2011 alone, the FDA approved two novel personalized medicines for lung cancer and melanoma, two breakthrough medicines for Hepatitis C, 11 new medicines for rare diseases, and the first new medicine for treating lupus in more than 50 years."


America is a country of haves and have-nots, no dispute there but even an American have-not lives a far better life than most of the world. Look how fat they are, where do you think that came from? And his smart phone, and his Internet, and his cable TV.

Here's a lovely postcard from the paradise of Serbia, I believe this is Belgrade. Which one of these shacks is yours?

your argument in a nutshell: "the super rich have access to fancy healthcare whilst medical bankruptcy is the #1 reason for personal bankruptcy in the USA"

if we want to go that way lets just say that Volkswagen makes the best cars in the world since they made the Bugatti Veyron and lets pretend everybody drives a Veyron and that Veyron is the standard in cars driven?

furthermore lets pretend that all other cars are useless compared to our imaginary veyron and that driving a 1.000.000$ veyron is the only way to go and if you drive a free BMW or Merc you are a total idiot

do you know how many people are medically bankrupt in my country? zero...my 3rd world shit hole ranks higher in healthcare than the USA according to western resources, according to Serb media we rank LAST in europe but we still outrank you guys, only slightly, but after 20 years of sanctions and all the wars thats not bad...

you guys have i-technology...its nothing special just like the i-phone and i-healthcare and i-education...its horribly over priced and, at best, just a fraction better than something somebody gets for free in the rest of the world...

look at real american products like cars...you are below standard compared to most western countries...your arrogance towards the rest of the world only makes you pay more for healthcare and education ect...
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He is not president, but prime minister, tough he would like to be king with the brit flag
I know, but he wants to be President, and he certainly doesn't act like the majority leader in a parliamentary system, or talk like one. Like the "divine right" kings of old he now believes he *is* the state - and has issued orders for example to rebrand "Government of Canada" on everything issued from and by his office as "The Harper Government". Besides, his drooling reverence for every Republican US President since Reagan is well known...


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The people of Canada need to get rid of this guy
The people of Canada need to ignore you.

You just focus on turning your once great country into a communist hell-hole and leave your nose out of Canadian affairs. We don't need people like you over here ruining our country too. We have enough of them here already.




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"How Does US Healthcare Rank in the world among industrialized nations?"

38th place
World Health Organization ranking of health systems in 2000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

New Health Rankings: Of 17 Nations, U.S. Is Dead Last
New Health Rankings: Of 17 Nations, U.S. Is Dead Last - The Atlantic

The Most Efficient Health Care Systems In The World (INFOGRAPHICS)
It's remarkable how low America places in health care efficiency: among the 48 countries included in the Bloomberg study, the U.S. ranks 46th, outpacing just Serbia and Brazil. Once that sinks in, try this one on for size: the U.S. ranks worse than China, Algeria, and Iran.

But the sheer numbers are really what's humbling about this list: the U.S. ranks second in health care cost per capita ($8,608), only to be outspent by Switzerland ($9,121) -- which, for the record, boasts a top-10 health care system in terms of efficiency. Furthermore, the U.S. is tops in terms of health care cost relative to GDP, with 17.2 percent of the country's wealth spent on medical care for every American.

In other words, the world's richest country spends more of its money on health care while getting less than almost every other nation in return.

The Most Efficient Health Care Systems In The World (INFOGRAPHICS)

New England Journal of Medicine
Ranking 37th — Measuring the Performance of the U.S. Health Care System
MMS: Error

These Are The 36 Countries That Have Better Healthcare Systems Than The US
Costa Rica ranks higher
The 36 Best Healthcare Systems In The World - Business Insider

This was 6 years ago but I expect the numbers are even worse now
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...5065809AAQrcWR

First a few facts.
In terms of the human development index, the United States has fallen from second place in 1990 (behind Canada) to 12th place. This decline continued through both the Clinton and Bush administrations, with the US falling to sixth in 1995, ninth in 2000, and 12th in 2005.
In certain respects, the decline is even worse. The US is 34th in infant mortality—with a level comparable to Croatia, Estonia, Poland and Cuba. US school children perform significantly below their counterparts in countries like Canada, France, Germany and Japan, and 14 percent of the population, some 40 million people, lack basic literacy and number skills.
Of the world’s 30 richest nations, which comprise the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), the United States has the highest proportion of children living in poverty, 15 percent, and the most people in prison, both in absolute numbers and as a percentage of the whole population. With five percent of the world’s population, the US has 24 percent of the world’s prisoners.
The report notes: “Social mobility is now less fluid in the United States than in other affluent nations. Indeed, a poor child born in Germany, France, Canada or one of the Nordic countries has a better chance to join the middle class in adulthood than an American child born into similar circumstances.”
In overall life expectancy, the United States ranks an astonishing 42nd, behind not only Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan and all the countries of Western Europe, but also Israel, Greece, Singapore, Costa Rica and South Korea. The US spends twice as much money per capita on health care as any of these countries, but its citizens live shorter lives.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/jul200...

The reason is pretty obvious for any non free market fundamentalist. In a lot of area's and certainly healthcare the for profit motive does not lead to the best results. When it benefits the whole society it's nothing but pure logic to organize products and or services together. Socialism is not about "big government", it's about people working together and understanding people should not serve the system but the system should serve us.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...

Free market fundamentalism stands in the way of reforms to change the American health system that is not unsuccessful in the logic of how it's set up. The goal is to make money and a lot of money is indeed being made. Most people would agree that should not be the goal of a good healthcare system but still shy away from drawing the logical conclusions or are easily persuaded by right wing demagogy about socialism.
Source:
http://www.alternet.org/story/92426/...h/?page=entire

I think Putin should feel free to tell Harper and his "western allies" cronies to go fuck themselves. Which I think he just did in Iran before stopping my to wipe his cock on Harper's jacket in Australia.
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"How Does US Healthcare Rank in the world among industrialized nations?"

38th place
World Health Organization ranking of health systems in 2000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

New Health Rankings: Of 17 Nations, U.S. Is Dead Last
New Health Rankings: Of 17 Nations, U.S. Is Dead Last - The Atlantic

The Most Efficient Health Care Systems In The World (INFOGRAPHICS)
It's remarkable how low America places in health care efficiency: among the 48 countries included in the Bloomberg study, the U.S. ranks 46th, outpacing just Serbia and Brazil. Once that sinks in, try this one on for size: the U.S. ranks worse than China, Algeria, and Iran.

But the sheer numbers are really what's humbling about this list: the U.S. ranks second in health care cost per capita ($8,608), only to be outspent by Switzerland ($9,121) -- which, for the record, boasts a top-10 health care system in terms of efficiency. Furthermore, the U.S. is tops in terms of health care cost relative to GDP, with 17.2 percent of the country's wealth spent on medical care for every American.

In other words, the world's richest country spends more of its money on health care while getting less than almost every other nation in return.

The Most Efficient Health Care Systems In The World (INFOGRAPHICS)

New England Journal of Medicine
Ranking 37th ? Measuring the Performance of the U.S. Health Care System
MMS: Error

These Are The 36 Countries That Have Better Healthcare Systems Than The US
Costa Rica ranks higher
The 36 Best Healthcare Systems In The World - Business Insider

This was 6 years ago but I expect the numbers are even worse now
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...5065809AAQrcWR

First a few facts.
In terms of the human development index, the United States has fallen from second place in 1990 (behind Canada) to 12th place. This decline continued through both the Clinton and Bush administrations, with the US falling to sixth in 1995, ninth in 2000, and 12th in 2005.
In certain respects, the decline is even worse. The US is 34th in infant mortality?with a level comparable to Croatia, Estonia, Poland and Cuba. US school children perform significantly below their counterparts in countries like Canada, France, Germany and Japan, and 14 percent of the population, some 40 million people, lack basic literacy and number skills.
Of the world?s 30 richest nations, which comprise the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), the United States has the highest proportion of children living in poverty, 15 percent, and the most people in prison, both in absolute numbers and as a percentage of the whole population. With five percent of the world?s population, the US has 24 percent of the world?s prisoners.
The report notes: ?Social mobility is now less fluid in the United States than in other affluent nations. Indeed, a poor child born in Germany, France, Canada or one of the Nordic countries has a better chance to join the middle class in adulthood than an American child born into similar circumstances.?
In overall life expectancy, the United States ranks an astonishing 42nd, behind not only Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan and all the countries of Western Europe, but also Israel, Greece, Singapore, Costa Rica and South Korea. The US spends twice as much money per capita on health care as any of these countries, but its citizens live shorter lives.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/jul200...

The reason is pretty obvious for any non free market fundamentalist. In a lot of area's and certainly healthcare the for profit motive does not lead to the best results. When it benefits the whole society it's nothing but pure logic to organize products and or services together. Socialism is not about "big government", it's about people working together and understanding people should not serve the system but the system should serve us.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...

Free market fundamentalism stands in the way of reforms to change the American health system that is not unsuccessful in the logic of how it's set up. The goal is to make money and a lot of money is indeed being made. Most people would agree that should not be the goal of a good healthcare system but still shy away from drawing the logical conclusions or are easily persuaded by right wing demagogy about socialism.
Source:
http://www.alternet.org/story/92426/...h/?page=entire

I think Putin should feel free to tell Harper and his "western allies" cronies to go fuck themselves. Which I think he just did in Iran before stopping my to wipe his cock on Harper's jacket in Australia.
There are many problems with the US, but what are you proposing? More government, or less?
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There are many problems with the US, but what are you proposing? More government, or less?
Less government
Single payer system
Allow for profits to fuel innovation and development but not greed.

I have 2 family members who are both doctors, in Japan. They make 150-200k per year. Japan is at the cutting edge of many technologies and beyond the US in many ways. The most important way is the actual healthcare we are provided.

Health care led by doctors who want to help and heal people.

Look at the stats on hospice care for those about "to go." Its like vampires feeding at a pig's trough with the only purpose in mind to put the maximum amount of profits into people's pockets.

I learned after coming here, the fine doctors at UCLA Medical Center had no idea what they were doing except loading me up on blood pressure meds that German and Japanese physicians KNOW are worthless.

I am glad major Asian countries and Russia are stepping up to knock the American Federalist system down. I'm in the mood for a free-for-all. Lets see how this shit shakes out. EU and UK people are wising up too.

IN 2014, Federalism and predatory-capitalism (American capitalism) obviously equate to Corporate Fascism. Most Americans are too dumb or ill-informed these days to see it. Just ask, Mr. Gruber. Or Pornhub.
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Putin at G20: Why Nobody Wanted to Eat Lunch With Him: Video - Bloomberg

Seems that nobody wanted to have lunch with Putin and as the presenter (Matt Miller) said that's not a party he want to stay at either... The poll at the end is totally daft. 50% think Putin is a big threat, only 26% think ISIS - it should be the opposite!
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I am glad major Asian countries and Russia are stepping up to knock the American Federalist system down. I'm in the mood for a free-for-all. Lets see how this shit shakes out. EU and UK people are wising up too.
Well said Captain!

The way China/Russia are attacking the petrodollar today, its just a matter of time before the USD becomes less than 50% of usage and as you say even EU and even Germany are now questioning their allegiances (judging by recent pieces in Handelbrott or whatever they call it). Interesting, as you said, to see how the shit shakes out.....
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I mean, it is much better to enjoy freedom and peace instead putting your nose in all that mess.
Canadians don't want Putin to invade other countries because they enjoy freedom and peace.
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Less government
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Allow for profits to fuel innovation and development but not greed.

I have 2 family members who are both doctors, in Japan. They make 150-200k per year. Japan is at the cutting edge of many technologies and beyond the US in many ways. The most important way is the actual healthcare we are provided.

Health care led by doctors who want to help and heal people.

Look at the stats on hospice care for those about "to go." Its like vampires feeding at a pig's trough with the only purpose in mind to put the maximum amount of profits into people's pockets.

I learned after coming here, the fine doctors at UCLA Medical Center had no idea what they were doing except loading me up on blood pressure meds that German and Japanese physicians KNOW are worthless.

I am glad major Asian countries and Russia are stepping up to knock the American Federalist system down. I'm in the mood for a free-for-all. Lets see how this shit shakes out. EU and UK people are wising up too.

IN 2014, Federalism and predatory-capitalism (American capitalism) obviously equate to Corporate Fascism. Most Americans are too dumb or ill-informed these days to see it. Just ask, Mr. Gruber. Or Pornhub.

brainwash is the problem...most north koreans truly believe they live in the greatest country in the world and so do most americans...

also the "innovations" that the USA makes are like i-innovations like on the i-phone...mostly hype and bullshit...I keep hearing about american "innovations" but cancer is still there in every way shape and form and so is every other diesease because US healthcare is not in to curing but making $$$$

the USA spends trillions and trillions on "innovations" can anybody tell me what major disease the USA cured in the last 20 years? it does not count if some chineese immigrant went to the USA and found a cure for some rare condition that 1 in 1.000.000 have for one trillion dollars

I bet nobody can name anything that the US "innovated" that really counts so the "innovation" argument is like the "Freedom" argument
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But they want USA to invade other countries? Right?
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Canadians don't want Putin to invade other countries because they enjoy freedom and peace.
And they do not help the USA to invade other countries (e.g. Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia) too?

Some people are too stupid, too brainwashed or both
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