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DamageX · 11-28-2014, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ITraffic

dvtimes is right.

That's gotta be the first time I've ever seen someone post that...

fuzebox · 11-28-2014, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

So still tubes, but in an evolved format, right? Tube 2.0 then?

Right. It's all about finding the perfect videos.

DamageX · 11-28-2014, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Right. It's all about finding the perfect videos.

So by giving away the highest quality, what do you see them selling? 'Cause selling ads for dating sites ain't gonna fly much longer. The dating sites' days as we know them are numbered. It's only a matter of time before they get cleaned up and fined en-masse. At which point they'll likely no longer afford to pay the kind of commissions they're paying out these days

ITraffic · 11-28-2014, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

That's gotta be the first time I've ever seen someone post that...

i know. but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

slapass · 12-03-2014, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

In a way tubes have already evolved beyond the common tube of 2007. They now have more social networking and they also accept photo galleries.

I think the evolution will be to something more social, customizable and adaptable to the end user. Fuck if I know what it will be called.

Tumbler for video. Sort of make your own tube wight the content you like.

XXXtrailers · 12-03-2014, 03:00 AM

"Free Pay Sites" offering in-app purchases :D

DamageX · 12-03-2014, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by XXXtrailers

"Free Pay Sites" offering in-app purchases :D

Might not be a bad idea actually.

Some free dating sites apply this principle already.

gebu · 12-03-2014, 03:50 AM

Probably 3D Movies & Oculus Rift

DamageX · 12-03-2014, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by gebu

Probably 3D Movies & Oculus Rift

Oculus Rift for porn would be awesome!

Paul · 12-03-2014, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Great points. But IMO none of them argues against tubes remaining the biggest crowd pleasers out there. Let's assume that technology required for streaming VR evolves at a somewhat similar pace to the one needed for creating/experiencing interactive VR. In such a case I still don't see any reason why tubes couldn't remain the biggest traffic mongers out there.

As technology advances the way we consume media changes, most young people today use their smartphone for viewing media. This would not have happened 10 years ago because the technology didn't exist.

I see the VR experience as being immersive and fully interactive, I don't believe we'll consume media the same way we do today. I think pre recorded media will take a backseat as consumers embrace a new technology that allows them to get lost in a virtual world.

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Originally Posted by DamageX

They already have most of the traffic, it's only a matter of gradually phasing in a new type of content.

Time will tell... one thing is for sure, it's been a long time since adult has been at the forefront of innovation and new ideas

Relentless · 12-03-2014, 08:23 AM

Completely free 'paysites' are coming. All of the content and UI you are used to seeing for 29.99 now offered for 0.00 without any tricks, scams or restrictions. Not pirated. Not old junk. Real full length HD videos absolutely free.

Paul&John · 12-03-2014, 10:16 AM

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Completely free 'paysites' are coming. All of the content and UI you are used to seeing for 29.99 now offered for 0.00 without any tricks, scams or restrictions. Not pirated. Not old junk. Real full length HD videos absolutely free.

That's nice, but how do you make money? Upsells for cams/dating won't cut it if you want to present high quality (exlusive/semi-exlusive) content.

DamageX · 12-03-2014, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul&John

That's nice, but how do you make money? Upsells for cams/dating won't cut it if you want to present high quality (exlusive/semi-exlusive) content.

Upsell toilet paper. Everybody shits.

fuzebox · 12-03-2014, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

So by giving away the highest quality, what do you see them selling? 'Cause selling ads for dating sites ain't gonna fly much longer. The dating sites' days as we know them are numbered. It's only a matter of time before they get cleaned up and fined en-masse. At which point they'll likely no longer afford to pay the kind of commissions they're paying out these days

Can't comment on monetization, just what I see happening. The tube experience is way too clumsy right now. Beeg is probably the best free porn site I know of right now, and from experience the traffic clicks more than most tubes.

I predicted the tube traffic bubble would burst a year ago, and instead the going ad rates have only gone up, and people are still making money on spots that I can't.

The Porn Nerd · 12-03-2014, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Yeah, good luck with that... One thing I learned many years ago is that you can never put the shit back into the horse. Progress always goes forward, nothing ever goes back to the way it used to be.

So, bright minds of GFY, what's the next adult free site model, to lure massive traffic away from tubes?

Two things here:

1. YES we CAN go back to a semblance of how things used to be BUT it will take a lot of short-term pain to do so. The model we have is the New York Times. They opened their website for free then saw their sales plummet and realized that if they didn't do something QUICK they would be out of business in three years. The New York Times!

So they bit the bullet and started - gasp! - CHARGING for their website/news again. What happened? The traffic to their website (where all the free news was) dropped like a stone and it took 18 months to get it back. But when it came back the NY Times was solvent again, even profitable. Could the same happen with Adult and tubes et al? Possibly.

2. I do know the future of the free site model but why would I give it away for free here?

Paul&John · 12-03-2014, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Two things here:

1. YES we CAN go back to a semblance of how things used to be BUT it will take a lot of short-term pain to do so. The model we have is the New York Times. They opened their website for free then saw their sales plummet and realized that if they didn't do something QUICK they would be out of business in three years. The New York Times!

So they bit the bullet and started - gasp! - CHARGING for their website/news again. What happened? The traffic to their website (where all the free news was) dropped like a stone and it took 18 months to get it back. But when it came back the NY Times was solvent again, even profitable. Could the same happen with Adult and tubes et al? Possibly.

That's one property controlled by one company, where tubes are controlled by many around the world.. Yes in this example New York Times went back to a paid model, however not many followed as far as I know

The Porn Nerd · 12-03-2014, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul&John

That's one property controlled by one company, where tubes are controlled by many around the world.. Yes in this example New York Times went back to a paid model, however not many followed as far as I know

Well the Times proved people would still pay for news, so many news organizations began charging a fee. How many are 'profitable'? I do not know.

LeRoy · 12-03-2014, 09:50 PM

PA's for tube submitters? Sponsors having to pay a monthly fee for tube their tube submissions. I could see that happening.

gebu · 12-03-2014, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LeRoy

PA's for tube submitters? Sponsors having to pay a monthly fee for tube their tube submissions. I could see that happening.

I think that is what they plan to do at cloud.xxx

DamageX · 12-04-2014, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by LeRoy

PA's for tube submitters? Sponsors having to pay a monthly fee for tube their tube submissions. I could see that happening.

That's what many TGP's used to do.

Paul&John · 12-04-2014, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by LeRoy

PA's for tube submitters? Sponsors having to pay a monthly fee for tube their tube submissions. I could see that happening.

It's already happening...

Paul · 12-04-2014, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by LeRoy

PA's for tube submitters? Sponsors having to pay a monthly fee for tube their tube submissions. I could see that happening.

I'm surprised it took so long for this to happen, never made sense to allow people to upload content for free when the tubes are paying for the bandwidth.

Although if I was a company the size of Mindgeek I'd just stop user uploads completely, create a micro payment system with integrated one click purchases and create a setup like clips4sale or Kinkbomb and then they could completely dictate terms to content producers.

"Don't like it? Tuff shit!"

I know content producers are trying to create an alliance so they have greater negotiating powers with the tubes, personally I think it's a ludicrous notion. The tubes have all the power, traffic is king. Producers may talk a good game about how content is Queen but we live in an age of increasing competition and lowering start up costs.

As the production of digital content increases the value of that content will continue to decline.

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