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Old 12-01-2014, 03:36 PM   #101
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Maybe you should read up on Sharia law. It doesn't seem like you're familiar with what it contains.

And as Jel is pointing out and I already mentioned above, stop by Luton. You may not remain as tolerant as you claim to be currently.
reading about the ten commandments and abiding to them are two very different things...just like shariah...it is just moral guidelines...shariah laws are one thing on paper and another in real life in all muslim countries except saudi arabia and yemen...

as for your lutton argument I had brixton in the neighbourhood it was full of pissed off black people back then...i bet kensington is full of rich arabs and russians and supercars now

there is no impeding muslim invasion going on...no shariah master plan...
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None of the ten commandments dictate that women are half the value of men, that people should be killed because of dri king alcohol or womdn should be publically whipped if they accuse a man of rape but don't have the testimony of four other man to back up those accusations. If you were to follow the ten commandments literally, what kind of evil do you think would come out of "Though shalt not murder"?

As for moral guidelines, Sharia is much more than that. It's the law of Allah, passed down to men through the prophet Mohammed.
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None of the ten commandments dictate that women are half the value of men, that people should be killed because of dri king alcohol or womdn should be publically whipped if they accuse a man of rape but don't have the testimony of four other man to back up those accusations. If you were to follow the ten commandments literally, what kind of evil do you think would come out of "Though shalt not murder"?

As for moral guidelines, Sharia is much more than that. It's the law of Allah, passed down to men through the prophet Mohammed.
Hey, I watched those two documentaries you posted earlier in the thread. Good stuff!
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None of the ten commandments dictate that women are half the value of men, that people should be killed because of dri king alcohol or womdn should be publically whipped if they accuse a man of rape but don't have the testimony of four other man to back up those accusations. If you were to follow the ten commandments literally, what kind of evil do you think would come out of "Though shalt not murder"?

As for moral guidelines, Sharia is much more than that. It's the law of Allah, passed down to men through the prophet Mohammed.
it is completely not true about alcohol...I have seen arabs drink alcohol in almost every muslim country...at worst its like weed in western countries, nothing you do in the open...this does not include saudi arabia or jemen...

public whippings of women are only in saudi and yemen...I can not speak for those 2 countries...

here is what shariah law says about rape:
If a woman claims that she has been raped, she does not have to bring any witnesses to prove her claim; her word will be taken as truth without the need of any witnesses whatsoever. And because she claimed she was raped, she will be treated honorably and free of any wrong doing whatsoever. There is absolutely no question of any punishment for her, because she was the innocent party and a victim of the heinous crime committed against her.

it is a snippet taken from islamhelpline.net I do not know them but I know how islamic law works...the punishment for rape for a man is death btw...
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reading about the ten commandments and abiding to them are two very different things...just like shariah...it is just moral guidelines...shariah laws are one thing on paper and another in real life in all muslim countries except saudi arabia and yemen...

as for your lutton argument I had brixton in the neighbourhood it was full of pissed off black people back then...i bet kensington is full of rich arabs and russians and supercars now

there is no impeding muslim invasion going on...no shariah master plan...
you're mixing up different things... your experience of brixton and kensington 20 years ago has nothing to do what is happening today. As a Londoner all my life, I can assure you of that. Your viewpoint is like an SEO in 2014 telling everyone that meta tags and keyword stuffing is still relevant. Quite entitled to think that way, but people with actual experience know you are far wide of the mark.

I like most of your posts, and you are an intelligent guy, but trust me when I say you are way off on this one
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HOW SHARIA LAW PUNISHES RAPED WOMEN



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On October 30, 2008, the United Nations condemned the stoning to death of Aisha Duhulowa, a 13-year-old girl who had been gang-raped and then sentenced to death by a Sharia court for fornication (Zina). She was screaming and begging for mercy, but when some family members attempted to intervene, shots were fired by the Islamic militia and a baby was killed. This happens in Sharia courts of other countries also. The village Sharia courts in Bangladesh, although illegal, regularly punish raped minor girls and women by flogging and beating them with shoes.[i] In Pakistan similar cases of punishing raped women are Mina v. the State, Bibi v. the State and Bahadur v. the State.[i] In Pakistan similar cases of punishing raped women are Mina v. the State, Bibi v. the State and Bahadur v. the State.[ii] Sharia courts in Pakistan have punished many thousands of raped women by long term imprisonment.[iii] It became so chronic that raped women stopped reporting to police.

HOW SHARIA LAW PUNISHES RAPED WOMEN
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also, nobody is saying all muslims are extremists, but that doesn't mean there are many muslim extremists, who want extremism in the UK. like I said - you're mixing things up.
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I see your point. In fact every year more and more of our traditional laws, alcohol in particular, are loosening.

To suddenly have a harsh new broad religious standard set would be something I couldn't put up with.
You should start checking the schools in Texas then.. They pretty much stopped teaching sex education in school and now teach abstinence in it's place. On top of this they also now teach creationism which is not a science mind you but a religious belief, right along side evolution. As if creationism were scientific fact.
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You should start checking the schools in Texas then.. They pretty much stopped teaching sex education in school and now teach abstinence in it's place. On top of this they also now teach creationism which is not a science mind you but a religious belief, right along side evolution. As if creationism were scientific fact.
why do you insist on misrepresenting things so fucking bad? You do realize abstinence in sex education is a fucking FEDERALLY SUPPORTED education program adopted by many states?

next, and this is the biggie:

In fucking fact, creationism is not a part of the official Texas state curriculum.

come on crockett.
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In fact, if it were true that the state of Texas required its public schools to teach both evolution and creationism, that would almost certainly be unconstitutional.

State officials and school officials, though, said there is no Texas law or state education standard requiring the teaching of both. Instead, again, state-education policy requires students to "analyze, evaluate, and critique" the scientific basis for evolution.
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In fact, if it were true that the state of Texas required its public schools to teach both evolution and creationism, that would almost certainly be unconstitutional.

State officials and school officials, though, said there is no Texas law or state education standard requiring the teaching of both. Instead, again, state-education policy requires students to "analyze, evaluate, and critique" the scientific basis for evolution.
So you are telling me that the Governor of the great state of Texas and want to be presidential hopeful is lying out his ass in this video? ...or is he just a religious nut job whom happens to be in charge of the 4th most populist state in this country?



Is that just a little white lie or is that a deal breaker? Also, yes they do teach creationism in Texas schools the schools are charter schools and yes they are supplemented by tax dollars. This is how they get "around" the breaking the constitution.
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Muslims aren't the problem. They're not smart enough, and nor are the EDL.
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So you are telling me that the Governor of the great state of Texas and want to be presidential hopeful is lying out his ass in this video?



Is that just a little white lie or is that a deal breaker?
no, I'm telling you that it doesn't matter what rick perry said in a youtube, I posted the actual facts of what is going on.

rick perry can call a duck a cow and it doesn't make the duck a cow.
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So you are telling me that the Governor of the great state of Texas and want to be presidential hopeful is lying out his ass in this video? ...or is he just a religious nut job whom happens to be in charge of the 4th most populist state in this country?



Is that just a little white lie or is that a deal breaker? Also, yes they do teach creationism in Texas schools the schools are charter schools and yes they are supplemented by tax dollars. This is how they get "around" the breaking the constitution.
It's pretty pathetic that the kid's mom kept telling him.."Ask him why he doesn't believe in science?" It doesn't get much lower than using your own son as a political pawn when he's clearly to young to know what he's saying.
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no, I'm telling you that it doesn't matter what rick perry said in a youtube, I posted the actual facts of what is going on.

rick perry can call a duck a cow and it doesn't make the duck a cow.
But he's not actually lying.. They do teach creationism in Texas schools. Those schools are charter schools that are federally subsidized. Charter schools were made possible by Bush jr as a way to side step federal guidelines for education while still receiving federal funding.

It just so happens in Texas, they are using the charter school system to teach creationism and by pass the constitutional law against doing so.

So yeah, we have religious nut jobs that are almost as bad as those Muslims weaseling their way into power and changing the laws to push their religious agenda.
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But he's not actually lying.. They do teach creationism in Texas schools. Those schools are charter schools that are federally subsidized. Charter schools were made possible by Bush jr as a way to side step federal guidelines for education while still receiving federal funding.

It just so happens in Texas, they are using the charter school system to teach creationism and by pass the constitutional law against doing so.

So yeah, we have religious nut jobs that are almost as bad as those Muslims weaseling their way into power and changing the laws to push their religious agenda.
I knew you were going to use that bullshit slate article written by a teenager that completely distorts the charter school's curriculum.


here is that charter school's superintendent setting the record straight on that crock of shit opinion piece slate published::::::::::::

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Today, an article appeared on Slate.com entitled, “Texas Public Charter Schools Are Teaching Creationism,” which purports to report the results of one college student’s “investigation into [ResponsiveEd’s] dishonest and unconstitutional science, history, and ‘values’ lessons.” It is the latest article by Slate regarding creationism in Texas public schools. See “Showdown over Science in Texas: Creationists Corrupted State Education Standards and May Push Evolution out of Textbooks.”

Needless to say, we take accusations of dishonest and unconstitutional practices very seriously. Because ResponsiveEd has been entrusted by the public to operate public charter schools, we wanted to take this opportunity to briefly address the most serious accusations made by Slate and welcome further dialogue with you in the coming days.

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Slate begins its article by asserting that ResponsiveEd’s science curriculum “both overtly and underhandedly discredit[s] evidence-based science [(i.e., the theory of evolution)] and allow[s] creationism into public-school classrooms.”

Regarding the assertion that ResponsiveEd discredits the theory of evolution, our science curriculum does examine all sides of the scientific evidence relating to the theory of evolution—both for and against—just as we are required to do by the Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills for Biology. In fact, the State of Texas requires all schools, “in all fields of science, [to] analyze, evaluate, and critique scientific explanations . . ., including examining all sides of scientific evidence of those scientific explanations, so as to encourage critical thinking by the student.” 19 TAC § 112.34(c)(3)(A). Ultimately, it is these Texas science standards that Slate wishes to overturn, believing that they “were designed to compromise the teaching of evolution” and provide “a back-door way to enable teachers to attack evolution and inject creationism into the classroom.”

Regarding the assertion that ResponsiveEd improperly “allow[s] creationism into public-school classrooms,” the answer is no. What follows is every reference to creationism contained in ResponsiveEd’s lessons on evolution.

For many years, the answer given [to the question of the origin of life] was fairly standard: most people believed that God created everything. In the mid-1800s, this idea was challenged by men such as Alfred Wallace and Charles Darwin. Their work provided scientists with the theory of evolution by natural selection. This added a new idea to the discussion and gave nonreligious scientists a way to explain the diversity of life on the planet without resorting to creation. . . .


In recent years, these two schools of thought —creationism and evolution—have been at conflict in schools, universities, and scientific circles. Some scientists and educators have attempted to bridge them through ideas such as intelligent design and theistic evolution. However, none of these theories is accepted by every scientist, natural philosopher, or educator. In this Unit, you will be able to review the evidence for the theory of evolution and decide on your own position. You will want to analyze and evaluate the evidence and every statement made in the discussion. . . .


Still, for many, supernatural creation (either by God or some other supernatural power) of the first cell is a more plausible explanation. Some people think aliens brought the first living cell to earth or it came on a meteorite, but that still would not explain how that first living cell on earth came into existence.

There is much research to be done in this area of origins. Until more concrete answers are found, questions on how life originated will continue. . . .


When it comes to the subject of evolution, emotions often run high. Chances are, you might have heard about some of this controversy in the news. Much of this controversy centers on whether other theories on the origins of life besides evolution, such as intelligent design or creationism, should be presented in public schools. . . .

As was explained to Slate last November, ResponsiveEd’s “science curriculum teaches evolution, noting, but not exploring, the existence of competing theories.”

As if to remove any remaining doubt that its readers may have regarding ResponsiveEd’s guilt, Slate boldly asserts that “[o]utright creationism appears in Responsive Ed’s section on the origins of life.” Not only that, Slate explains, “[i]t’s not subtle.” The evidence presented by Slate to support its accusation? “The opening line of the workbook section [on the origins of life], just as the opening line of the Bible, declares, ‘In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth.’” For some reason, Slate chooses to not present the quote in context, which would have demonstrated to any objective reader that the curriculum was simply providing examples of competing theories on the origin of life. The entire quote reads as follows:

5. ORIGIN OF LIFE

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

In the beginning, a meteorite, with a cell from a faraway galaxy, hit the earth. . . .

In the beginning, aliens visited earth to try a new experiment. The aliens left behind a living cell, with all the capabilities to evolve into life.

In the beginning, free-floating molecules in the primordial seas spontaneously organized to form the first cell.

So far we have looked at natural selection, microevolution and macroevolution, speciation, and other aspects of the theory of evolution. All of these processes involve one form of life changing into another form of life. However, none of these ideas answers the question, “How did life begin in the first place?” Perhaps the more important question is, “How did the first cell come into being?” Remember, in order for something to be alive, it has to have a cell. As we learned in Unit 2, cells are very complex. Even a simple one-celled bacteria is quite complicated. In this Lesson, we will explore some of the theories evolutionary biologists have about the origin of life.

While context may not always be convenient, it is everything.

In summary, ResponsiveEd strongly disagrees with Slate’s implication that the Texas state standards requiring schools to critique and examine all sides of scientific theories—including the theory of evolution—is unconstitutional. We also disagree that any reference to creationism in our science curriculum violates any state or federal law, including the United States Constitution.
come on crockett. again, context.
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here's Luton:



I'm about the most liberal live and let live person there is, I have no problem with people of other races, religions, sexuality, or anything. Even I'm not so blind as to think this isn't a problem though.
I forgot to add Luton to my list..... Luton (around 30 miles from London if I remember rightly) is basically the Bradford of the south of UK. Its a nice place actually with reasonably good nightclubs and bars. Not my favourite city in the UK or even in my top 10 cities but, you know, you have some kind of movement of extremism there just because it has a high population of muslims....

This isn't such a big deal though. What is happening here? Its one ethnic group marching and saying police go to hell. How is it any different than Ferguson? Hardly surprising that the woman (who comes from a very conservative culture) would say she looks naked. My guess most people find it fearsome because there are lots of people here wearing black and with their faces covered up.
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Your theory though sound is kinda flawed because you aren't required to "cover up and not drink" in Dubai. In Saudi Arabia maybe but not in Dubai.
The Irony is that Dubai has probably less muslims than New York or London.

The bars/clubs down by the Marina are jam packed full of Russian hookers that GRAB you by the testicles - under sharia law, they would be a pile of ashes. Even at Address Bar or Atmosphere in Burj Khalifa....
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Wow Brits, grow some balls and stop this shit before it spreads. Religious law zones?
Brits can not do much else than vote against this.

And on the other hand the media and politicians try to cover up all the negative parts of immigration and tells the same voters to be tolerant.

If you do have the gut to come with any criticism against immgration and islam you are called racist. If that's not sick what is?

Time to open your eyes and stop being sissies!
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The Irony is that Dubai has probably less muslims than New York or London.

The bars/clubs down by the Marina are jam packed full of Russian hookers that GRAB you by the testicles - under sharia law, they would be a pile of ashes. Even at Address Bar or Atmosphere in Burj Khalifa....
Not really unreasonable in an Emirate that is less populace than the entire city of Edinburgh and by less, I mean less than half!

Then factor in the Dubai governments stance of tolerance of other religions (unlike Saudi Arabia) and also the fact that they have a vast expatriate workforce where circa 85% of said workforce is Asian and things start to make more sense with regards to the disparity of Muslim to other religion ratio.

All indigenous Emirati's however are Muslim or at least they are born Muslim under the law. I've heard stories of a few of them converting to Christianity but almost all of this is very underground.

I'm unsure of the other Emirates but Dubai in particular does not operate under strict Sharia/Islamic law. Their jurisprudence is a mix of Islamic law and civil law with legal codes they have adopted from the West.
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I knew you were going to use that bullshit slate article written by a teenager that completely distorts the charter school's curriculum.


here is that charter school's superintendent setting the record straight on that crock of shit opinion piece slate published::::::::::::



come on crockett. again, context.
You are telling me to come on but you started a whole topic and don't even know where the Shariah controlled zones are, if there actually are any.

I'm just showing you that there are people here in this country that are just as bad as the goons you posted about.
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You are telling me to come on but you started a whole topic and don't even know where the Shariah controlled zones are, if there actually are any.

I'm just showing you that there are people here in this country that are just as bad as the goons you posted about.
I've mentioned more than once what the point of this thread is. Not to mention specific instance of a zone. Not to mention specifically pointing out I couldn't give 1 single shit about sharia zones. Keep embarrassing yourself by posting your inability to read.

Not to mention this is a lame attempt to bail out on your Bullshit op about Texas.
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I forgot to add Luton to my list..... Luton (around 30 miles from London if I remember rightly) is basically the Bradford of the south of UK. Its a nice place actually with reasonably good nightclubs and bars. Not my favourite city in the UK or even in my top 10 cities but, you know, you have some kind of movement of extremism there just because it has a high population of muslims....

This isn't such a big deal though. What is happening here? Its one ethnic group marching and saying police go to hell. How is it any different than Ferguson? Hardly surprising that the woman (who comes from a very conservative culture) would say she looks naked. My guess most people find it fearsome because there are lots of people here wearing black and with their faces covered up.
Luton is widely regarded by anti-terrorist authorities around the world as breeding ground for radical Islam terrorism.
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Luton is widely regarded by anti-terrorist authorities around the world as breeding ground for radical Islam terrorism.
Maybe but the video didn't really show much.
A lot of people who are fearful will latch onto it though....
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Things may have changed in London this is true.

But speaking as an ex-foreigner in London, and many other places, its not really the muslims that are the problem its the view of islam people have that creates the problem in the first place. Also all the bombs dropped on them in the name of democracy kinda hurt.

You can quote thousands of cases where horrible things have been done in the name of islam, christianity and stupid ass cults...it all boils down to: if you look hard enough, you will find it, regardless of the truth...

if you want to see islam as something that is out to get you, you will get what you want...this will have an appropriate reaction just like in newtons physics...

if you want to see islam as nothing more than "friends of batman" or "hail hydra in a dead pool suit" type of thing, and accept your fellow comic convention buddies you crazy ass singing-in-the-morning-to-their-imaginary-friend-in-the-sky twats you will also get an appropriate reaction...

keep in mind: they are outbreeding us fellow crackers...speaking as a former refugee: make friends with the majority

now you can either go back to finding isolated shit and inflating it to satisfy your paranoia or you can make friends with your future islamic majority, think of them as bat people, they are really not so bad
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Time to open your eyes and stop being sissies!
Well, the problem is more complex - UK are not sissies. Only a proper English person will get this but the UK has basically tried to say "we are better than that" and if there is no breaking of the law, we will not step in. In other words, authorities in the UK always try to play by the book, act objectively and based only upon facts and not emotions and try to "do the right thing".

THEY ALWAYS DO THIS

And yet they'll come and kick the ass of any other easy target for any other reason like speeding or tax evasion or some other minor breach of the law and breach peoples human rights and attack people for political reasons. Attack in Iraq against public opinion, blah blah

The problem is they are letting more and more lines being crossed.....
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I'm confused, Is it Sharia or ShariaH ?
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I'm confused, Is it Sharia or ShariaH ?
I personally spell it Sharia. There are a few names I see spelled differently too; for example, I spell it Mohammed while some people spell it Muhammed, I spell it Jassim while some spell it Jassem, I spell it Quran while some spell it Koran.

Mohammed is weird though because in the Middle East even Arabs abbreviate it when writing the name in English to Mohd and I can't say I've ever seen or done it myself with any other name in a professional capacity.
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