ITraffic

david lynch and paul mcartney both think yeezus is a genius record. open your minds for fucks sake. it's obvious lou reed does as well. his other shit is corny but that album is dope.

fappingJack

anyobe who doesnt know paul mccartney doesnt know real music.

WDF

Most Kanye West fans would ask Stevie Who and Michael Who?

They think Old Skool is the late 90s.

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Of course I've read the review. I read it when it was published a year and a half ago and I re-read just earlier tonight before posting it. He does mock certain elements of the album but he is also complimentary of other elements. It's a fair, honest, and unbiased review written by a rock legend and it's more positive than it is negative.

As far as album sales go, bear in mind that The Beatles have sold over 600 million albums, which is more than any other band or solo artist. As a solo artist, Paul McCartney has sold an additional 100 Million albums. Who purchased all of those albums? Even after accounting for the amount time it's been since they've been released, I find it hard to believe that all buyers have been highly sophisticated and knowledgeable music fans. All those young girls screaming for the Beatles when they first came to the states back in '64 were no different than the kids who buy the music of Kanye or others in this day and age.

Which of Kanye's songs are 'straight rip offs of pop songs'? The only ones I can think of that heavily sampled are Diamonds Are From Sierra Leone (sampled Diamonds Are Forever by Shirley Bassey) and Gold Digger (which samples from a Ray Charles song). There's two for you but you said that pretty much all of his songs are rip offs, so what are the others? And why is it wrong for an artist to re-present the original in a new way while infusing their own style? The Dead did that of plenty of times. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...cover_versions)

The Porn Nerd

Today, with the loss of the infrastructure that gave the music industry it's focus and power. we have fragmentation. Everyone has their own playlists. There is no longer a 'system' whereby new artists would get exposed to a mass audience. I am talking radio, MTV, The Tonight Show when there were only 3 networks and a few cable channels, Grammys and magazines and concerts....

While many of those things still exist today they exist as watered down versions. I saw recently how a newly released CD had made it to #1 on the Billboard charts...by selling 33,000 copies!! Back 20 years ago I would take 10x that amount to make it to #1 upon initial release. Now it takes just a few thousand copies. So how many does the #6 CD sell in a week? 20K? Unbelievable.

My point is that today fewer are being exposed to "what's good" but instead are left to discover "what's good" on their own, or through social media. It is truly pathetic, and heartbreakingly sad. Thank Yeezus we have literally thousands and thousands of awesome albums created way back when to listen to otherwise this new post-2000 life we are all living would suck major donkey balls.

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I am glad you have found important stuff to bitch and fight over. Is this a webmasterforum or Jerry Springer?

Why should they know of Mccartney? it's not like the demographic of the two fangroups overlap.

Do you think people listening to mostly Classic music, know the names of the Metallica crew?

DamageX

Same here.

Kanye can sing? I thought the only reason rappers rap is because they can't sing for the life of them.

That article is pure shit, at best. Not arguing against its statements, but the only sources it cites are two Daily Mail pieces. Which is kinda like basing your arguments on pieces from The Onion.

Besides, only one of the two Daily Mail pieces actually discusses decreases in average IQ. If you read through it, it has a few contradicting statements as well. It references, in turn, to an article from the New Scientist, of which you can only read a paragraph, unless you pay for access. Even so, they still seem to have gotten it wrong:

Yet the New Scientist article they reference says this:

Not exactly the first time the Daily Mail fucks up.

Pretty much. The Beatles are arguably one of the most influential bands of all times. Kanye come, Kanye go, nobody will miss him and few will even remember him. He'll just be replaced by a new hot-as-shit-rapper-for-now.

Likewise. Never really got to like the Beatles, aside from a couple of songs. But the image and culture American rap artists promote is atrocious, at best.

That does depend a lot on the kind of music you listen to though. It also depends on how proactive you are in finding new music/artists in the genre you like.

I used to think just like you, but then I found some online radio stations playing my kind of music. I'm happy I did, because it's helped me discover tons of artists I would've never heard of otherwise. I would just've been stuck listening to my 20+ yo faves, bitching that music today is all shit.

It's not necessarily because it's cheaper to produce. The music industry, just like the movie industry, isn't afraid to spend if it predicts it can make a nice ROI. It's more because young people today are way more familiar with rap and the like, so it makes financial sense to churn out more of that, because it makes money.

Is this a rhetorical question?

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Reed compared it to daring to liking the smell of someone else's farts.

Lynch is another one that is notorious for saying how much he likes what he hates and his films are a testament to the sneer of false praise and inverted justice.

McCartney is pretty much about as real and sincere as the color of his hair these days.

I admit I need to hear the record myself to judge it firsthand, but based on those other opinions... let's just say I am not running out to buy those downloads, although I will concede that it unfair to judge it just on the previous body of work without having heard it so I will make an effort to hear it and keep an open mind and ear about it.

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Same..

But seriously, that "make him famous", "give him a career", etc. stuff is quite hilarious.

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You make reasonable counterpoints, but allow me to rebuttal...

Google Kanye cover tune rip offs. No more needs be said.

As for the Dead, while I love their takes on covers as much as I say any rapper/producer should be able to sample whatever they like to create their own artistic license of what came before, I don't judge them by those arrangements of standards as much as by the new songs they wrote that are singular and unique and part of a present, past, and future since they are unique. Regardless though, I am not against borrowing, breaking, taking what came before to make now and forever.

My best friend made an album often referred to as "the Sargent Peppers of hip hop" and on many top album of all time lists, "Paul's Boutique". by the Beastie Boys. They used an insane amount of samples since it was done in a time when obtaining rights was like getting the rights to upload studio produced content on Pornhub. The joy of that album is how much they used what came before to create something that was part of the future. The difference is the samples were layered in a fashion that created something original while Kanye gets called out constantly for just rapping over hooks, lines, and sinkers from other songs.

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Well.. "dumber" is also about how you measure it, but environment toxins have increased all kinds of birth defects, brain related too, also for example young men have lower testosterone levels than old farts, even though it should be other way around.

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which was fine at that time. they hadn't proved their immense influence or longevity yet. lets see if kayne is even remembered in 50 years though possibly, we'll both be dead.

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You nailed it with "depends on how proactive you are in finding new music..." - I found myself nodding in total agreement. The mainstream classic rock station I listen to at work all day just plays the old standards over and over...and I have to remind myself that there's new stuff (in my genre) out there...it's just not as easy to find as it was 20 years ago.

But a few of my favorite old bands are still making new releases - but not getting much radio play for the new material. So I've resorted to looking for their new stuff on Youtube, and then digging around to buy the new releases I like. My wife's always asking why I spend so much time on Youtube - but then she goes, "Oh, I really like that song" when I find a nugget buried somewhere.

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Why the hell they would need to know Paul MccArtney?

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karolinaboy

The song they created sounds like CRAP. Kanye West need to leave the auto tune alone. When I first heard about Paul McCartney being featured on a Kanye West track, I was thinking it was going to be a classic. But, its just classic CRAP.

aka123

Common knowledge. Almost like knowing Elvis Presley or Charles Chaplin.

Chaplin is the only one from those, whose production is somewhat familiar to me, but I still know who they all are and what they have done in general.

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I asked Google by searching for each muscians name:

Kanye West About 128,000,000 results
Paul Mccartney About 290,000,000 results

rogueteens

you honestly think that Kayne West will have a legacy the same as the Beatles? He'll only be known for the gay fish joke, certainly not for his songs.

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Why everyone - including Kenye West fans - should know who Paul McCartney is:

Cultural literacy.

If you do not know enough about modern culture, which includes The motherfucking BEATLES, then you will be lost in society and your chances of communicating and achieving success will be diminished.

In other words, don't be a dumbass.

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Yeezus is one motherfucking cool record ...

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@jimmycooper

"So, you're intentionally ignorant?

How exactly do you expect kids these days to learn about music from 2 or 3 generations ago?"


How are twenty somethings on Twitter... That might just be the greatest bit of irony in gfy history.


"Shouldn't it be considered a positive that Kanye wanted to collaborate with McCartney?"

I don't know, should it? You don't say. Apparently circular logic passes an argument these days.

"How is that a bad thing?"

It's noise pollution.

"Sure, the people who hadn't yet heard of Paul McCartney sound like idiots on Twitter, but shouldn't it be considered a good thing that they've now heard of him and can then google 'Paul McCartney' and then stumble upon The White Album, listen to it, and think "Man, that is some good shit!"?"

You mean download for free but are too dishonest to say. No, these halfwits will do no such thing.

"If you're truly a Beatles fan, you should be happy that a new generation of fans are being exposed to them because it will keep their legacy alive for many more years."

Yeah because without some ghetto tards the Beatles will disappear from history.

Now we get the obligatory personal experience which is somehow suppose to be analogous to the topic up for discussion. You know who does that? People who don't know anything because that's all they can do. Everything is relational and to your pitiful little life because you have no foundation of knowledge on which to base any argument(s). Bunch of false wonderment bullshit thrown in for affect.


"When I was growing up, my mom would always listen to Oldies radio stations which would play some of their earlier stuff so I was exposed to them from an early age. While I liked their songs, I didn't truly become a fan until college when I started listening to their later stuff."


"Just because these people haven't heard of Paul McCartney doesn't necessarily mean that they are all idiots (though I'm sure that a lot of them are), it just means that they haven't had the benefit of being exposed to his music at a young age."

YES, IT DOES.

You're one of these sophist retards who doesn't know up from down or it they're coming or going.

Here, back at it with;

"there are a lot of people out there who view Kanye as being in the same stature as did people view The Beatles back in the 60s."

Yeah and a lot of people shoot heroin in their eyeballs, what's your point moron?

"If you've followed his career, you'd know that he made a transition with his sound on his last two albums in a way similar to what the Beatles did beginning with Revolver or Sgt. Peppers."

You might be one of those smack heads.

"Again, it's really hard to compare the two. Different genres, different generations. Only time will tell."

REALLY? What will time tell us? Other than your stupidity being eternal that is.

Look at this profound declaration.

"There has been good music over the past couple of decades"

"it's just more difficult to keep up with as an adult."

You're projecting. It's difficult for YOU. See also; your experiences.

"A lot of that I think has to do with getting older and having more responsibilities than you had when you were younger. At least that's been the case for me."

Hey! finally some progress even if it's just stating the obvious.

"No you didn't. You may think you have, but that has more to do with your deluded sense of self-worth than it does with reality."

More projection.

Have fun doubling down in your reply I won't read. You should really take a look at yourself with some of the replies you gave to people here. Also, think before you speak. I guess granny never taught you that either.

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It's too

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It's too bad Kanye isnt too cool for the safe belt

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Actually I don't even check out YouTube for new releases of my old favorite bands. Unless they're the likes of Metallica, most of the time you never hear about their new albums these days. I do check out songs from the new releases on YouTube though.

What I do is check out the band name on Wikipedia and scroll down to discography. I do this a few times a year, keeps me pretty up to date with new releases. Add new discoveries (for me) to the list and I have a never-ending hand-picked collection of music that is now about six months' worth of non-stop listening.

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I do the same thing with Wikipedia. End of last week I went there and searched for new releases for 2014. I think 'Albums Released In 2014" and there was this huge list broken down by month. I was amazed about 9 of my old favorites had released CDs in 2014!! So I went and downloaded them. 7 out of the 9 sounded like old farts trying to sound young. LOL

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I do the same with Wikipedia.

Sometimes I get surprised by an old band - finding out they'd had 3-4 more albums since the last one I knew about (usually with different lead vocalists or other band members). Asia was like that - I thought they'd split up a few decades ago...but they kept putting out new material with a variety of band configurations. Canadian band Saga was another.

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"Asia" LOL

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Get a load of all these old people getting bent outta shape.

RFremont

I've often wondered who exactly is listening to and buying that dildo's 'music', who'd actually be ignorant enough to give any attention to a talentless, incoherent, and generally repulsive imbecile as fagnye west.... well it seems that's been answered. Defending that douchebag and actually giving credence to a comparison with the Beatles... hehe delusional.

RFremont

hehehe superb Anyone that would publically defend a certifiable retard like this should immediately begin self-medication.

SuckOnThis

Get a load of all these clueless teens whose only real life experience is a video game.

bronco67

I was at a family gathering yesterday and was talking to a 20 year old about music. She had never heard of Nirvana or any 90's rock band I named. It was sad.

But I also have a 12 year old niece who (on her own) discovered Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins and Soundgarden. And she's growing up in a household that would definitely not expose her to that. So maybe it depends on the person.

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If you are a fan of guitar centered rock music...it is difficult to find it on the radio, unless you want to listen to nothing BUT old stuff.

ZZ Top put out a really good song a couple of years ago. I listened to it on Vimeo and only found it because someone had posted it on social media.

It had nowhere to be played on the radio. And the radio is still a place where people listen to a lot of music while driving.

It's kinda puzzling to me. These bands have huge fan bases. And whenever they put out a new release...there is not much publicity and absolutely nowhere on the radio to hear their newest stuff.

Van Halen put out a new album with David Lee Roth a couple of years back. I got the CD and really liked it.
The local "rock" station here in Vegas played the song "Tattoo" off of it a few times the first day it came out.
Then the next day...it was back to playing "Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love" and "You Really Got Me" every other hour and I never heard any of that CD on the radio again.

Not saying to only listen to "old" bands. Just saying that when they do put out new stuff...you can't find it on the radio. Which sucks.

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Mods please put this thread in the 5 year time machine so we can all come back and check on whether Kanye and Paul have held up in public opinion, if all of us haven't died of bad luck cancer or heart attacks. The box with the bitcoin predictions and the threads about whether porn production would move out of LA please.

SilentKnight

Q107 in Toronto did the same - they played "Tattoo" for a short while when ADKOT was released - then...nothing. Being a diehard VH fan - I went out and bought it anyway, and found several tracks that would've been great for radio play (Stay Frosty, She's the Woman).

A few weeks later they were back to playin' the old VH standards.

I just don't know what's wrong with radio these days.

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The reason is that radio has now become so corporate it is a joke. If a Van Halen song is playing on your local rock station in Las Vegas at 2:14 pm then that same exact song is being played on EVERY local rock station at the same exact time all across the country. This is why "DJs" (what a joke) cannot play what they want to play, like they used to do back in he day. Now, they get a memo from Corporate (usually based in another city) that tells them they MUST play "Hot For Teacher" rather than the new Van Halen song or they will get fired. Seriously, this is what happens.

Why? Because Corporate has determined that more people like 'Hot For Teacher' and will thus listen to their station longer thus better satisfying their advertisers. End of story, end of game, end of new music being played.

And today, with so much fragmentation and people digging their own playlists and such, there isn't a movement in society to demand new music be played on radio stations so nothing changes. It's sad. Why can't radio stations play something like 'The Ocean" by Zeppelin instead of "Stairway To Heaven'? Oh right, see my reason above. Sigh.

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Reed also said 'the guy is really, really, really talented', 'At so many points in this album, the music breaks into this melody, and it's glorious - I mean, glorious and 'If you like sound, listen to what he's giving you. Majestic and inspiring."

I understand what you're saying about Reed's acid wit, but I don't think that was the case in any of those comments and I'm very familiar with his music as well as much of his social commentary and pop culture criticism.

I first started listening to Velvet Underground back in college. In '98, I went to Vegas on Halloween for a Phish concert. At the time, every year on Halloween, they would play 3 sets and in the 2nd set, they would take on a 'musical costume' and cover an entire album. That year they played Velvet Underground's Loaded. It was a great show. Naturally, when I got back to Austin one of the first things I did was buy Loaded and The Velvet Underground & Nico. I listened to both of them quite a bit.

When I moved to NYC a year or so later, I became fascinated with the 'Silver era' with Warhol and The Factory and whatnot. Lou Reed was very much a part of that era, so in the process of researching and reading about that time period, I learned a lot about him. Then, I think it was in 2005 or 2006, I was a member of the Whitney (as well as several other museums) and went to a members viewing of his photography exhibit at the Hermes gallery. I actually met him and talked to him about his photography for about a minute. So then, naturally, I went through another Velvet Underground phase.

So, I'm not coming out of nowhere when I say I'm pretty familiar with him and his style of writing and certainly have a grasp of what he was saying.

ITraffic

people actually listen to corny over the air radio stations still? there is plenty of new rock bands and music on satellite which is what i hear wherever i go.

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That and southpark. Otherwise I'd have no clue who he was.

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Kanye does not fit into the stereotype you have of American rappers.

He grew up in the suburbs of Chicago, he got good grades in school, and his mom was a college English professor. When he was young, kids made fun of him because he preferred to wear polo shirts instead of whatever the popular urban type clothing was at the time. He grew up in a better environment than most people in this thread.

He doesn't rap about gangster stuff or selling drugs and he never has. He resonates more with the fashion scene than he does with the urban ghetto scene.

As far as him 'being just another rapper', well he came out with his first album over 10 years ago after being a successful producer for years. He's already not 'just another rapper'.

Robbie

Yes, local radio stations are a huge market.
Not sure why they are "corny" lol

But yeah, get in touch with one of your big local radio stations to buy some ad time and you'll quickly find out how many people definitely listen to local stations.

I had XM and then Sirius for about 10 years. But I finally dropped it about 4 years ago because I found myself constantly checking the local stations to hear the traffic reports and ads for the local shows and bands in town.

Plus I just like the local "flavor" of the stations right here in Vegas.

I liked having satellite radio too. Especially when I lived on the East Coast and drove all over the place.
But now that I live in Vegas...I don't drive out of town that much (usually fly out). So the advantage of never losing the signal from Sirius just didn't mean much anymore.

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jimmycooper

I googled it verbatim and all I found was something about how he ripped off some guy named Aphex Twin on one of his songs. Big deal. Did you actually Google it yourself or did you just assume that the results would support your preconceived stereotype?

Paul's Boutique is one of my favorite albums of all time. I pretty much wore the tape out listening to it again and again and again when it was released. When I bought a record player a few years ago, I immediately bought 10-15 albums. Paul's Boutique was one of them along with Abbey Road, The White Album, Exile On Main Street, Enter The Wu Tang, A Low End Theory by Tribe Called Quest, Rumours by Fleetwood Mac, The Bends and Kid A by Radiohead, Back To Black by Amy Winehouse, Stop Making Sense by Talking Heads, Superfly, a few others, and My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy by Kanye West. I listened all of them repeatedly until going to buy my next batch a couple months later. In terms of quality, there was no drop off when listening to Twisted Fantasy. It fit right in with the others and much like Pauls Boutique, it was not a commercial success when it was released and it gets better with time.

Also, on Yeezus, Kanye brought in a lot of producers to make it where it was more of a collaborative effort than he had in the past. Rick Rubin, who produced the first Beastie Boys album, was there as was Rza.

Kanye is not just 'another rapper', he is a musician and a damn good one at that.

ITraffic

aphex twin actually IS a a genius.

jimmycooper

The difference between me and you is that when I 'wonder something', I actually take the time to go learn about it rather than make assumptions based on blind ignorance. Especially when I 'often wonder something'. You should try it sometime. Maybe then you won't be so confused.

jimmycooper

Really? I haven't heard of him before. Will have to check him out.