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Old 01-07-2015, 01:42 PM   #51
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this is actually what should be done - flood all media with Muhammad caricatures until they choke on them
Yes but if other muslims feel insulted, it could increase the tension with them, so i'm not sure that the solution. Usually i use my freedom because i want to it for me, not to insult other people, at least not in the first place.
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I don't know how they plan on having their own state when the entire community is only taught their interpretation of Islamic law. Even babies are supposed to be taught Jihadism. Are they going to train any engineers or doctors? The Quran won't build roads and bridges or pick up the garbage, or keep the plumbing working.

Just let that Islamic State they're seeking fester for a while, and turn into a nice fat target for the world's military force. They'll all be corralled in one spot with their heads up their asses when the daisy cutters drop. I'm no alarmist, but this "state" will eventually be a giant problem for the future of civilized human society. ISIS wants to take over the world. They need to be marginalized, then taken out.
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everyone should start drawing and publishing cartoons mocking muslim extremists. they can't kill everyone.
I was thinking the same thing. Every media outlet could take part in this.
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I don't know how they plan on having their own state when the entire community is only taught their interpretation of Islamic law. Are they going to train any engineers or doctors? The Quran won't build roads and bridges or pick up the garbage, or keep the plumbing working.

Just let that Islamic State they're seeking fester for a while, and turn into a nice fat target for the world's military force. They'll all be corralled in one spot with their heads up their asses when the daisy cutters drop. I'm no alarmist, but this "state" will eventually be a giant problem for the future of civilized man. They need to be marginalized, then taken out.
I love how you talk all that macho stuff about dropping daisy cutters.

We've shot the fucking place up twice in Iraq and still don't control shit.
Stop fantasizing about the magic military that cures all problems; it doesn't exist.
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In 30 years the civilization created by white people will fall, our children will end like ancient romans.
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In 30 years the civilization created by white people will fall, our children will end like ancient romans.
That's right. They're breeding at much higher rate than anyone else. They're creating women to be subjugated, and men to carry Kalashnikovs.
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In 30 years the civilization created by white people will fall, our children will end like ancient romans.
No it won't.

oh sure the "great power" wielded by the western nations will see a serious decline. But that's probably a good thing.
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wait, you think when things get bad here that somehow mexico will be exempt from chaos?

Mexicans can be extremely violent and as people see all the time they are very territorial. so ...
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Mexicans can be extremely violent and as people see all the time they are very territorial. so ...
good point, we'll learn what border control is all about on that day the tides shift.
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Nail on head

He was brilliant and ballsy that Christopher Hitchens may he R.I.P.
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Nial on head

He was brilliant and ballsy that Christopher Hitchens may he R.I.P.
I do very much enjoy his views. We lost him too soon.
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I think the attack is going to make it very easy for Marine Le Pen and the anti-immigrant National Front to win during the next election in France. She's already has something like 47% popular opinion.
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Mexicans can be extremely violent and as people see all the time they are very territorial. so ...
Bullshit I've never had a problem.

Am I the only person seeing a pattern in thinking here? Or do the majority of people honestly believe "there be monsters" in every non-white nation?
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Bullshit I've never had a problem.

Am I the only person seeing a pattern in thinking here? Or do the majority of people honestly believe "there be monsters" in every non-white nation?
Looking back at your posts here, after the beheadings you said it was "freedom of speech" so yeah you have strange views and when asked where you live you quote the Dilbert cartoon "Elbonioa" meaning anywhere outside the U.S.

So you are at odds with people posting here, knowing where they live, and wont honestly tell people where you live, or anything about you really. So..... you are veiled in secrecy while throwing stones at honest posters here.
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Looking back at your posts here, after the beheadings you said it was "freedom of speech" so yeah you have strange views and when asked where you live you quote the Dilbert cartoon "Elbonioa" meaning anywhere outside the U.S.

So you are at odds with people posting here, knowing where they live, and wont honestly tell people where you live, or anything about you really. So..... you are veiled in secrecy while throwing stones at honest posters here.
1) Decapitations vs bombs vs internet pirates vs whatever else the Internet finds "cool"

When it's all said and done I can't change anything... Nothing I say will make a difference... And winning an argument is pretty pointless as well. Therefore I find myself increasingly more cynical and sarcastic so I can cope with a world that's embracing brain death as a lifestyle.

2) If it looks like we have something to offer each other and it looks like we could do business then we'll talk. I also don't do facebook, linkedin, etc. Therefore send me a private message if you think there's a possible project we could cooperate on.

3) The porn industry gossips. In fact it never shuts the fuck up and I don't want play. But just for the record I've got ICQ and Skype so I know who is talking to who and what's being said. If it doesn't affect me then I ignore it.
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I love how you talk all that macho stuff about dropping daisy cutters.

We've shot the fucking place up twice in Iraq and still don't control shit.
Stop fantasizing about the magic military that cures all problems; it doesn't exist.
actually - by destroying Saddam & Kaddafi and trying to destroy Assad - you created ISIS :-)
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Looking back at your posts here, after the beheadings you said it was "freedom of speech" so yeah you have strange views and when asked where you live you quote the Dilbert cartoon "Elbonioa" meaning anywhere outside the U.S.

So you are at odds with people posting here, knowing where they live, and wont honestly tell people where you live, or anything about you really. So..... you are veiled in secrecy while throwing stones at honest posters here.
That's how cowards play. He's scared.
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Kurds kill 24 jihadists in Syria's Kobane: monitor - The Times of India
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I like pecan pie.


Well, pumpkin pie, I can eat prolly 1/2 of one at a time if I were so inclined.

but pecan pie. phew.
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I like pecan pie.


Well, pumpkin pie, I can eat prolly 1/2 of one at a time if I were so inclined.

but pecan pie. phew.
What if you mix the two together?
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I'm against ALL violence and I vehemently condemn ALL acts of violence regardless of who commits them or their reasons.

But....

I know that 30 years ago if some idiot when to a bar and trolled some hot head and ended up getting his ass kicked for doing it. NO ONE would feel sorry for the idiot that started it. Now flash forward to today and the common opinion is that it's acceptable to insult and slag off anyone they want and the person being attacked has no take it.


So I don't feel sorry at all for the magazine. They knew that there are Muslims that are hot headed and sensitive but yet they decided to troll them anyway. Sure enough it's about "Freedom of Speech" but were publishing insulting cartoons really worth it?
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What if you mix the two together?
you just blew my mind man! srslky.
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actually - by destroying Saddam & Kaddafi and trying to destroy Assad - you created ISIS :-)
Yeah, I know.

There probably isn't a republican alive that would admit it though.
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Islam = nazism.

As long as people will not realize it, our freedom of speech will regress until they take over. Once that they will be enough and in power, muslims will destroy our civilization and enforce islam. It will be too late.

On our civilization tombstone, you will read: "Cause of death: Stupidity"
100% correct
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No it didn't.

Kathy Willets and her husband Jeff had more to do with the legalization of the distribution of porn than the ACLU. Besides when porn was illegal the women were classier, the movies had much higher production values and everyone involved made a hell of a lot more money.

Yes, the ACLU did in fact fight for the right to produce and distribute pornography. Whether pornography was classier or more profitable when it was illegal is irrelevant to your assertion that nobody ever fought for you.


"ACLU v. Reno II

In Oct. 1998 Congress passed and President Clinton signed into law a new "sequel" to the unconstitutional Communications Decency Act. This new Internet censorship bill the Child Online Protect Act (COPA a.k.a. "CDA II") would establish criminal penalties for any "commercial" distribution of material deemed "harmful to minors". The numerous problems with this legislation include overbreadth vagueness of definitions of key terms such as "commercial" an illegal attempt to force adults to give up privacy to excerise their right to read prior restraints on publication and a flawed "community standards" approach that would allow the most conservative jurisdiction in the US country to set the "decency" standards for all Web content nationally (indeed globally).

Just days after passage of this legislation EFF in conjunction with the ACLU and EPIC (two other civil liberties organizations) filed a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of this law and seeking to have it overturned. In 1999 A federal District Court issued a preliminary injunction against enforcement of the law on the grounds that it is probably unconstitutional. On June 22 2000 the Third Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the injunction."


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Yes, the ACLU did in fact fight for the right to produce and distribute pornography. Whether pornography was classier or more profitable when it was illegal is irrelevant to your assertion that nobody ever fought for you.


"ACLU v. Reno II

In Oct. 1998 Congress passed and President Clinton signed into law a new "sequel" to the unconstitutional Communications Decency Act. This new Internet censorship bill the Child Online Protect Act (COPA a.k.a. "CDA II") would establish criminal penalties for any "commercial" distribution of material deemed "harmful to minors". The numerous problems with this legislation include overbreadth vagueness of definitions of key terms such as "commercial" an illegal attempt to force adults to give up privacy to excerise their right to read prior restraints on publication and a flawed "community standards" approach that would allow the most conservative jurisdiction in the US country to set the "decency" standards for all Web content nationally (indeed globally).

Just days after passage of this legislation EFF in conjunction with the ACLU and EPIC (two other civil liberties organizations) filed a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of this law and seeking to have it overturned. In 1999 A federal District Court issued a preliminary injunction against enforcement of the law on the grounds that it is probably unconstitutional. On June 22 2000 the Third Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the injunction."


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The fact that today's youth believe that prior to 1995 humanity lived in caves in a hunter gatherer society.

There was a thriving porn industry before 1995 and before the Internet. And too be very blunt there is not anything that even remotely resembles a thriving porn industry.

Look it here,
In 1991 after Kathy & Jeff Willets were found guilty. Anyone from the public that was interested in the case could order a copy of the complete records from the courts. This had the effect of turning the legal system into a porn distributor. Therefore the sale and distribution of pornography became defacto legal.

Again the ACLU didn't do a damn thing.
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Yes but if other muslims feel insulted, it could increase the tension with them, so i'm not sure that the solution. Usually i use my freedom because i want to it for me, not to insult other people, at least not in the first place.
I see what you mean, i am just really pissed right now that these asshats kill people over some cartoons. This is simply outrageous.
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I see what you mean, i am just really pissed right now that these asshats kill people over some cartoons. This is simply outrageous.
When was the last time you heard of a good reason to kill someone?

Think about it...
You're German you should know how easy it is for some loud mouth opinionated asshole to talk tough and motivate others into becoming blood thirsty murderers.
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When was the last time you heard of a good reason to kill someone?
I'm reasonably sure Capt. Phillips can supply you with a good reason. He ain't grieving over three Somalians with bullets in their forehead.
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When was the last time you heard of a good reason to kill someone?

Think about it...
You're German you should know how easy it is for some loud mouth opinionated asshole to talk tough and motivate others into becoming blood thirsty murderers.
Not sure what you are trying to tell me but as a german i have learned that tolerance and freedom of speech are 2 important things.

There is no justification for killing anyone ever - under no circumstance

Edit: self defense might be an exception
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You know what I love?
The fact that today's youth believe that prior to 1995 humanity lived in caves in a hunter gatherer society.

There was a thriving porn industry before 1995 and before the Internet. And too be very blunt there is not anything that even remotely resembles a thriving porn industry.

Look it here,
In 1991 after Kathy & Jeff Willets were found guilty. Anyone from the public that was interested in the case could order a copy of the complete records from the courts. This had the effect of turning the legal system into a porn distributor. Therefore the sale and distribution of pornography became defacto legal.

Again the ACLU didn't do a damn thing.
Look it here,

Just because there was a porn industry prior to 1995 does not mean the ACLU has done nothing to fight for the rights of pornography producers and distributors.

Just because in your opinion Kathy & Jeff Willets had "more to do with the legalization of the distribution of porn than the ACLU" does not neccesarily mean the ACLU has done nothing to fight for the rights of pornography producers and distributors.

You claim the ACLU has done nothing. I provided you with a court case that contradicts your claim.
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When was the last time you heard of a good reason to kill someone?

Think about it...
You're German you should know how easy it is for some loud mouth opinionated asshole to talk tough and motivate others into becoming blood thirsty murderers.
Do you really think he was around the late 30's and early 40's?

You say that nobody ever fought for shit for you, but at the same time as you're enjoying your freedoms you say he should know about some shit just because he's German. You're about as stupid as that crussifisco twat.
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I love how you talk all that macho stuff about dropping daisy cutters.

We've shot the fucking place up twice in Iraq and still don't control shit.
Stop fantasizing about the magic military that cures all problems; it doesn't exist.
Thank you for proving the issue .. low intelligence
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UPDATE AS YOU ALL MIGHT KNOW:

Cherif Kouachi one of the attackers, WAS BORN IN FRANCE,PARIS and hold French citizenship - SO NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU TRY TO EDUCATE THESE ISLAMISTS, ALL THE KNOW AND DO IS TERROR, HATE AND KILLINGS /rant over
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The big problem here is the overall islamification of europe. Sweden, Denmark, Germany, France, UK are all absolutely swamped by muslim immigrants to the point where they are beginning to be minorities in their own countries. There are extremists and normal people, but attacks this like and muslim protests demanding sharia are causing alot of people to become anti-islam in europe. Islamophobia in europe will grow and grow until we start as a whole wanting them out of our countries - and you know what happened the last time someone wanted a whole ethnic group out of europe...
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12 kills on Charlie Hebdo attack
It's way past the time for ANY religion.

There is simply no need for modern man to need this superstition to explain anything any longer. Religions were invented by uneducated ignorant people a couple of thousand years ago. They are outdated and only used to control people at this point.
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So I don't feel sorry at all for the magazine. They knew that there are Muslims that are hot headed and sensitive but yet they decided to troll them anyway. Sure enough it's about "Freedom of Speech" but were publishing insulting cartoons really worth it?
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Not sure what you are trying to tell me but as a german i have learned that tolerance and freedom of speech are 2 important things.
You know very well what I'm getting at.
But just to be clear shortly after WW1 a mouth piece started making speeches about telling Germans who's to blame for their social problems and how the Germans are descendants of the master race. Radical Islam at its worst can't hold a match to the insanity that took hold in your nation.

If someone in the 1930s had said screw "freedom of speech" and shut the would be dictator up there would have a lot less murders and torture in the 20th century.

There is absolutely no good reason to kill anyone. But just the same people do it all the time and not just for bad reasons but for absolutely stupid moronic ones. That's how life works and therefore we all have a responsibility to work at getting along with each other. Like it or not we are "The Planet of the Apes"

The 3 gunmen are without doubt murderers but so are the cartoonist and the publisher of the magazine. The murders were done for stupid reasons but the cartoons were equally stupid. Innocent people were killed that had nothing to do with either the cartoons or radical Islam.

So no one should ever provoke someone else and often for the greater good of peace we need to often shut someone up. Freedom of Speech should never be an excuse to be an asshole to others
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Look it here,

Just because there was a porn industry prior to 1995 does not mean the ACLU has done nothing to fight for the rights of pornography producers and distributors.

Just because in your opinion Kathy & Jeff Willets had "more to do with the legalization of the distribution of porn than the ACLU" does not neccesarily mean the ACLU has done nothing to fight for the rights of pornography producers and distributors.

You claim the ACLU has done nothing. I provided you with a court case that contradicts your claim.
1) Willets is a fact not an opinion. Cases and charges were dropped against many distributors because the courts found themselves engaging in the very same activity they were passing judgement on.

2) I'm reasonably certain that you're not actually involved in the porn industry. And I can say that with some certainty because there really isn't much of an industry left these days. So apart from attending a "convention" or a "show"... What do you really know about the jizz biz? Sorry but you bring nothing to the table and your information is just cut and paste and wikipedia nonsense.
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Hebdo played with matches and got lit up like a Christmas tree. By Al-Qaeda, hardly Islamic militant but more or less a US creation of professional fighters, terrorists and assassins.

Riddle me this, why would anyone have a mother or pregnant woman (which is/was she?) answer the door when the editor has 2 secret service police with him 24/7 and they have a policeman outside?

People should try and take a non-biased look at the history of the "Beurs" relationship with people in France. No wonder France is unraveling. Forget all the Al Sharptons running around spewing their left/right BS. Daily life has been hard enough. For everyone.

I've lived and worked in Algeria and Morocco. Hard to find radicals until after the Gulf Wars.

Before then, very few hardcore muslims and lots of quasi-Islamic stuff going on. I worked as a record producer and film company guide.

This has been coming since the Algerian Civil war of the 1990's. Dis-affected youth grew up, moved to France and started to boil up...and raise kids doing the same. France has had a love-hate relationship, mostly hate, with Algeria since the 19th century.

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You know very well what I'm getting at.
But just to be clear shortly after WW1 a mouth piece started making speeches about telling Germans who's to blame for their social problems and how the Germans are descendants of the master race. Radical Islam at its worst can't hold a match to the insanity that took hold in your nation.

If someone in the 1930s had said screw "freedom of speech" and shut the would be dictator up there would have a lot less murders and torture in the 20th century.

There is absolutely no good reason to kill anyone. But just the same people do it all the time and not just for bad reasons but for absolutely stupid moronic ones. That's how life works and therefore we all have a responsibility to work at getting along with each other. Like it or not we are "The Planet of the Apes"

The 3 gunmen are without doubt murderers but so are the cartoonist and the publisher of the magazine. The murders were done for stupid reasons but the cartoons were equally stupid. Innocent people were killed that had nothing to do with either the cartoons or radical Islam.

So no one should ever provoke someone else and often for the greater good of peace we need to often shut someone up. Freedom of Speech should never be an excuse to be an asshole to others
It bugs me that I agree with everything you said.
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It's way past the time for ANY religion.

There is simply no need for modern man to need this superstition to explain anything any longer. Religions were invented by uneducated ignorant people a couple of thousand years ago. They are outdated and only used to control people at this point.
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If someone in the 1930s had said screw "freedom of speech" and shut the would be dictator up there would have a lot less murders and torture in the 20th century.
France has some of the strictest anti racial-hatred laws in the world. They'll fine you for something as small as quoting statistical facts about prison population. This is not the 1930's.

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The 3 gunmen are without doubt murderers but so are the cartoonist and the publisher of the magazine.
You are out of order.

The very role of satirists is to challenge established powers, be they political parties or institutions like the Church. Nothing of what they wrote was hateful. Charlie Hebdo isn't a provocative anti-islam ultra nationalist publications. It's full of lefties. Their message was that nobody should be above criticism.
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They'll fine you for something as small as quoting statistical facts about prison population.
yes, and for me this is a problem
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It bugs me that I agree with everything you said.
You know people throw around the term "Freedom of Speech" and in their minds it means they get to say, publish, etc absolutely anything and everything. Thankfully that's not the case because I know of at least 1 pornographer that would try to make child porn.

Everything has it's limits in life and more people should consider the families of the innocent victims that had NOTHING to do with either radical Islam or the cartoons.

ie: Little Francois asks his mother why his father was killed. And she's forced to tell him that his father got caught in the crossfire when some man drew a cartoon that another man didn't like. (Nice epitaph to put on someone's tombstone.. "Gave his life for a cartoon")

In a perfect world only the gunmen and the magazine publisher and cartoonist would be affected. They can brutally murder each other with spoons for all I care. Unfortunately this isn't a perfect world and innocent people usually pay the price for someone else's argument.

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France has some of the strictest anti racial-hatred laws in the world. They'll fine you for something as small as quoting statistical facts about prison population. This is not the 1930's.

You are out of order.

The very role of satirists is to challenge established powers, be they political parties or institutions like the Church. Nothing of what they wrote was hateful. Charlie Hebdo isn't a provocative anti-islam ultra nationalist publications. It's full of lefties. Their message was that nobody should be above criticism.
1) You know nothing about France. The French are extremely racist and it's a very "COLD" form of racism that's ingrained in their bureaucracy and culture. At least in the United States a racist will call a man nigger to his face. But many French people will smile politely simply say "the job has been filled and thank you for coming."

If you don't believe me then go live in France and just try and do something as minor as rent an apartment. Even if you're white with a suitcase of money you'll find it almost impossible because the French only want to deal avec des Français de souche and preferably those with a certain associated "prestige."

Like I said if you don't believe me then go to France and see for yourself. In fact I dare you.

2) It's was just a stupid cartoon and it didn't change anything or help anyone. And it certainly didn't warrant the death of innocent lives.

Mickey Mouse has brought a lot more joy and happiness into this world than Charlie Hebdo's drawings. But just the same I'm not going to give my life to defending Walt Disney's right to draw Mickey. Nor should anyone else.
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French only want to deal avec des Français de souche and preferably those with a certain associated "prestige."
no, it's ok if you are a rich black guy with an american citizenship, just try to look handsome and classy like obama
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ie: Little Francois asks his mother why his father was killed. And she's forced to tell him that his father got caught in the crossfire when some man drew a cartoon that another man didn't like. (Nice epitaph to put on someone's tombstone.. "Gave his life for a cartoon")
Little Francois can be told film-maker Jean-Luc Godard called his dad “the best journalist in France” whatever his chosen medium was.
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