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Pseudonymous · 01-12-2015, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ctggls

I see somehow a difference between what Pseudonymous and Mutt says ... From what I understand from Pseudonymous that it can be quite profitable even in this times to have a solo girl site but from what Mutt says , things are not going so well ... and I think Mutt's Destiny is quite hot ... I like her more compared to other solo models....

Of course, what is "good" and "bad" is different to everyone but strictly speaking from a ROI point of view is quite good to put $10k up front and get $36k or more, that's around 300% ROI ...

Any opinions here?

Mutt launches sites slowly as everybody on this forum knows, he has been sitting on sites for years and years, he needs one site to do pay everything and having one site and sales going down every year, that doesn't work. Its also different because he started this in the prime of things, you can no longer retire off a single website, he also has a photographer as a partner as hes a webmaster. Much different scenarios. People who entered adult in the prime of things have a different view of profit as people in the modern era/mainstream. He is not happy with a 300 percent return. Hes looking at ventures that produce the type of money he was making before. The niche itself is still very profitable, just not enough for him personally

Pseudonymous · 01-12-2015, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SmutHammer

Interesting read (at least for me). Not sure why people always think softcore when talking about solo sites. I wouldn't even bother doing a site like that. I guess that is my personal opinion though. these $ amounts seem to low for me, Not sure what the agenda is for posting them. I have a solo site that only gets about 1K hits per day that is pulling that much money in. Also they are not so cookie cutter to shoot as it's being made to sound.

Could you please share what 1k a day site has 400-500 members? which is what figures i've been throwing around for my active sites and mutts, and bryci, and etc - and also tell me how it can be duplicated. if you are speaking of a solo hardcore model, yes they make more. but like i said, the profitable thing about solo softcore is it can be duplicated over and over at ease as there is never a shortage of softcore models looking for alot of easy money. is it as easy to find a hardcore model who is willing to shoot that much content in a single trip? for that kind of pay? not at all. you also have to pay her much more, or shes getting a large percent, etc - tell me this deal with this model and what site has 400-500 members and how many of these models you can find? solo/softcore is extremely easy and profitable and easily duplicated. nothing comes close

you can make more money PER SITE, but you cannot make a larger business. and this is probably why there are no large solo networks dedicated around hardcore solo models. its not cheap enough and not easy enough to duplicate as solo and you might as well just launch a multi girl hardcore network site if youre going to spend on hardcore. you also want to produce better content too if youre dealing with hardcore and more time spent on editing. when youre hardcore, you have alot of competition on tube sites. most of which are higher quailty

Sasha Green · 01-12-2015, 05:31 AM

Hey JayMan, take a look at top performers who have solo paid membership websites based on the ModelCentro platform

Lexi Lowe - Lexi's Affiliate Program

LittleRedBunny - LittleRedBunny's Affiliate Program

Gina Gerson - Gina's Affiliate Program

AngelLong - Angel's Affiliate Program

Sylvia Chrystall - Sylvia's Affiliate Program

Dominika C - Dominika's Affiliate Program

Samantha38G - Sam's Affiliate Program

Sweet Sophie - Sophie's Affiliate Program

Kylie Morgan - Kylie's Affiliate Program

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slapass · 01-12-2015, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

I'm not sure how much worse off solo girl sites from the rest of the adult industry now but they were never anywhere as big as the best hardcore sites of their time - as successful as Lightspeed was during his run he was a small fraction of what big hardcore programs were doing.

You'd need a bunch of them these days to make good money. Model Centro is a great idea, there will always be porn girls and cam girls who want their own site more for vanity's sake than anything else - Model Centro doesn't shoot content, it's up to the girls to provide it, they just provide the CMS and the billing and take a cut. I had the same idea as others but Stan developed and executed it.

My formula for solo sites and it's basically the same as MikeAI's and Lightspeed's was is pretty dead. I have the most beautiful girl maybe to do porn, of course that's subjective, and her site does very mediocre sales - it was a shock to me when I launched it. I hoped to bring Destiny back and get her involved but honestly it wouldn't make enough of a difference to make it worth my trouble and hers.

I'd still do them on the basis Model Centro and PrismCash which my friend Doug owns runs them - photog and/or model provides the content and we split profits. Girls still can't do these sites on their own, not the young ones anyway, girls need to get into their late 20's at least to have their shit together enough to run their own sites, and I still think not many at that could do it successfully.

Girls for now are better off on MFC, Chaturbate and Streamate - they cam and sell content in one spot, no real need for a membership site. It seems to me that girls are making less on the cam sites, perhaps they're becoming saturated for the amount of interest from guys willing to spend some money. I look inside those MFC chatrooms and see sometimes thousands of guys lurking and jerking but hardly any of them tipping or taking the girl private. There are some pretty lean nights for even the fairly popular girls on cam sites.

You had like 5 of the hottest girls to do porn. You must be doing ok?

Pseudonymous · 01-12-2015, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass

You had like 5 of the hottest girls to do porn. You must be doing ok?

He is, higher than average expectations.

SmutHammer · 01-12-2015, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Could you please share what 1k a day site has 400-500 members? which is what figures i've been throwing around for my active sites and mutts, and bryci, and etc - and also tell me how it can be duplicated. if you are speaking of a solo hardcore model, yes they make more. but like i said, the profitable thing about solo softcore is it can be duplicated over and over at ease as there is never a shortage of softcore models looking for alot of easy money. is it as easy to find a hardcore model who is willing to shoot that much content in a single trip? for that kind of pay? not at all. you also have to pay her much more, or shes getting a large percent, etc - tell me this deal with this model and what site has 400-500 members and how many of these models you can find? solo/softcore is extremely easy and profitable and easily duplicated. nothing comes close

you can make more money PER SITE, but you cannot make a larger business. and this is probably why there are no large solo networks dedicated around hardcore solo models. its not cheap enough and not easy enough to duplicate as solo and you might as well just launch a multi girl hardcore network site if youre going to spend on hardcore. you also want to produce better content too if youre dealing with hardcore and more time spent on editing. when youre hardcore, you have alot of competition on tube sites. most of which are higher quailty

Really not trying to put to much out on gfy until we are ready to launch an affiliate program. But the site I'm talking about is LilCandy.com as I said early, It's not so easy as you made it sound. and is harcore with a pretty good size collection of content that took over 5 years to shoot. Your right, Editing this content takes a lot more time than just the solo stuff. We have been working hard getting 8 sites ready before launching an affiliate program then we will continue to keep adding more sites but until then this one site is bringing in enough to keep everything going. Oh, and yes, It has cost me much much more to make this site than what you are saying so it doesn't exactly fall into the types of solo sites your talking about, but is still a "Solo Site".

I'm not arguing, I agree with most that you have said. I guess I'm just saying not all solo sites are the same.

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By the way, You have some super sexy girls and great sites

moln4r · 01-12-2015, 09:26 AM

Some posts are tldr so dunno its posted already or not, but Ashley Doll is there i'm sure....
oh and this is my first post.wow!;)

nikki99 · 01-12-2015, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by moln4r

Some posts are tldr so dunno its posted already or not, but Ashley Doll is there i'm sure....
oh and this is my first post.wow!;)

welcome to GFY Ashley doll

jaYMan · 01-12-2015, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sasha Green

Hey JayMan, take a look at top performers who have solo paid membership websites based on the ModelCentro platform

Lexi Lowe - Lexi's Affiliate Program

LittleRedBunny - LittleRedBunny's Affiliate Program

Gina Gerson - Gina's Affiliate Program

thanks! 2 of them are my type ;)

AngelLong - Angel's Affiliate Program

Sylvia Chrystall - Sylvia's Affiliate Program

Dominika C - Dominika's Affiliate Program

Samantha38G - Sam's Affiliate Program

Sweet Sophie - Sophie's Affiliate Program

Kylie Morgan - Kylie's Affiliate Program

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2 of them are my type ;)

jaYMan · 01-12-2015, 12:53 PM

btw, Mutt is another one of the smart ones!!! I don't know Psyudo I don't think but his posts are pretty much right on consistant with my experiences running solo sites.

His Infernal Majesty · 01-12-2015, 05:47 PM

While Twitter followers and Freeones rankings are fun to jerk off to; the top solo models are the ones who make their affiliates the most money.

2MuchMark · 01-12-2015, 06:45 PM

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Curious who holds the title?

Anyone know?

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seksi · 01-12-2015, 09:42 PM

Alex suggests SiriPornstar.com is more popular than ArielRebel.com and that ArielRebel is hugely popular in Portugal, that where a lot of her traffic is coming from.

Google Trends says "Ariel Rebel" is a more common search phrase than "Siri Pornstar"

I guess it depends on what you mean by "solo girl" site, too. For softcore / non-nude CearaLynch.com is interesting.

jscott · 01-12-2015, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Forgot to mention Mia Khalifa, praise Allah for those curves ...

Mia has no site from all i know.

But i know Mia Khalifa sure wants the dick!

jimmycooper · 01-12-2015, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Could you please share what 1k a day site has 400-500 members? which is what figures i've been throwing around for my active sites and mutts, and bryci, and etc - and also tell me how it can be duplicated. if you are speaking of a solo hardcore model, yes they make more. but like i said, the profitable thing about solo softcore is it can be duplicated over and over at ease as there is never a shortage of softcore models looking for alot of easy money. is it as easy to find a hardcore model who is willing to shoot that much content in a single trip? for that kind of pay? not at all. you also have to pay her much more, or shes getting a large percent, etc - tell me this deal with this model and what site has 400-500 members and how many of these models you can find? solo/softcore is extremely easy and profitable and easily duplicated. nothing comes close

you can make more money PER SITE, but you cannot make a larger business. and this is probably why there are no large solo networks dedicated around hardcore solo models. its not cheap enough and not easy enough to duplicate as solo and you might as well just launch a multi girl hardcore network site if youre going to spend on hardcore. you also want to produce better content too if youre dealing with hardcore and more time spent on editing. when youre hardcore, you have alot of competition on tube sites. most of which are higher quailty

Do you think Bryci's site is doing better or worse since she started doing hardcore? Just curious.

GAH · 01-13-2015, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

I'd say mine are destiny, aspen parker and autumn riley. though aspen hasn't technically launched hers yet, shes been in alot of destiny's scenes. and mutt's posted her photos on here tons

destiny is by far the hottest, its a shame she didn't enter the industry during its peak

If Aspen Parker, appearing for the one and only time with DM on 5 Jan 2015, is 'alot' then she is going to have to go some to become frequent. Destiny Moody would have been frustrating to work with, she never stops singing country songs. It's more like a Garth Brooks tribute site at times. How off-putting to members that must be!

Those solo girls I see with a regular following at the moment are Brooke Marks, Meet Madden and Nikki Sims who cam as well as post professionally shot work I think, Got Gizele, Andi Land, and Sarah Peachez still, when she can get her site working.

Pseudonymous · 01-13-2015, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GAH

If Aspen Parker, appearing for the one and only time with DM on 5 Jan 2015, is 'alot' then she is going to have to go some to become frequent. Destiny Moody would have been frustrating to work with, she never stops singing country songs. It's more like a Garth Brooks tribute site at times. How off-putting to members that must be!

Those solo girls I see with a regular following at the moment are Brooke Marks, Meet Madden and Nikki Sims who cam as well as post professionally shot work I think, Got Gizele, Andi Land, and Sarah Peachez still, when she can get her site working.

Well i was also considering candid content, i remember quite a few candid images of them together. And maybe i remember more because ive seen some in aspen's content. ive seen alot of aspen content already, shes gorgeous. In the set with Destiny that was released, she wasn't looking as good as she usually does.

2015?

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...spen-pics.html

and pretty sure i recall seeing more in her members area too

Pseudonymous · 01-13-2015, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmycooper

Do you think Bryci's site is doing better or worse since she started doing hardcore? Just curious.

Ive wondered the same

If i were to throw out my guess, i'd predict there was a big spike when she first started doing it, and it gradually went back to about 5-10 percent higher than it would have been if she had never, i think it was a good move but not enough to make up for the 10 percent~ drop a year in the market. Good site, good model and shes done better than almost every model woudl have done if they had launched at the same time.

If i could change somehing about it, i would make their sex life a little less vanilla, and use tubes as a marketing tool instead of being against them. The big reason why hardcore has such an advantage is due to more marketing avenues but if you aren't using them, and still have mainly softcore affiliates, well..

People think the great method is , go softcore and slowly reveal more and more, this IMO, worked better when softcore had a massive following. Nowadays, i think you need to come out of the gate strong (mor graphic) and get those types of affiliates on board, that type of exposure on tubes, that top notch content, etc

Coming out with softcore in a market where they get everything they want on tubes, they just dont care, so who are you really teasing, the few members that signed up?

Just my opinion though.

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Also people are answering his question as hes asking just as a fan, instead of a webmaster. Answering with nikki sims , kates playground, ariel rebel, andiland, is all pointless.

Pseudonymous · 01-13-2015, 03:29 AM

Also what is bigger, a site with 600 rebillers (from years back) and getting a few sales a day and dropping every year, or a site that launched in the modern era maintaining itself with 10 new sales a day and 400 members ?

Considering the question is usually asked to see who is most popular, models who built their empires back 10 years ago and have just been updating regularly to slow the process of declining arent' exactly the ones i'd throw out first. especially to a webmaster who is looking at gaining knowledge and better himself as a webmaster

GAH · 01-13-2015, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Well i was also considering candid content, i remember quite a few candid images of them together. And maybe i remember more because ive seen some in aspen's content. ive seen alot of aspen content already, shes gorgeous. In the set with Destiny that was released, she wasn't looking as good as she usually does.

2015?

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...spen-pics.html

and pretty sure i recall seeing more in her members area too

I thought Aspen looked mediocre in this set together, comparing her against those candids you've included, pre the pierced nipple. You'll be right, I'lll be wrong, trusting to my poor memory. It's just that when I saw this recent update I thought all the other Destiny Moody sets and videos on the site so far were solo only. It's definitely January 2015, the set released with those two, I even had to double check 2015 is the present year as I am not used to it yet.

His Infernal Majesty · 01-13-2015, 04:19 AM

A site making 10 new sales a day and holding only 400 members is not a very good site to send traffic to as an affiliate. It means most members are cancelling right away.

Pseudonymous · 01-13-2015, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by His Infernal Majesty

A site making 10 new sales a day and holding only 400 members is not a very good site to send traffic to as an affiliate. It means most members are cancelling right away.

lol i was giving a hypothetical situation. but lets use the scenario regardless... you are wrong, unless you think a couple months is right away. which is not for the typical surfer in 2014/15. the only reason you see higher $ per member is due to very very old members skewing the final number

btw, basically all solo sites rebill at around the same percent. its the exact same business model, almost all update once or twice a week max, almost all have similar affiliates, they all have the same promo tools, etc. all active ones will anyway.

but yeah i rounded up to 10 and i also maybe rounded down when it came to member base. but its not far off. it was clear the point i was making so overanalyzing the numbers i gave would steer it away from the point i was trying to make

maybe you see it that way because you have old sites, old sites typically have a large amount of old rebillers who have been rebilling for a long time, which means adding 10 new sales a day to a site with a solid base of inactive members from when the site was much bigger, well your site would grow very well

a new site with active members who are buyers in 2014/2015, well yes , you need a higher amount of new sales to have a large member base

hope that clears it up

TobySwan · 01-13-2015, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Forgot to mention Mia Khalifa, praise Allah for those curves ...

Porko · 01-13-2015, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jaYMan

Pancho huh.... great guy. One of the best I've met in the industry in my 15 years.

Yeah. Rico is a nice guy and Ariel is pretty hot

His Infernal Majesty · 01-13-2015, 02:19 PM

Yes, I can see you're trying to make a point that affiliates should, by your numbers (which are based a lot on just your own conjecture), promote your new "modern era" sites over those dusty "old" sites that just rebill. Your numbers don't line up, though, and I'm not sure any affiliate who spends a lot of time promoting these sites would agree with you.

OP, the correct answer to your question is Nikki Sims. I'm not sure how that is even a debate. There are a few sites, maybe 5 or so, that prop up this whole niche. Without any of them, affiliates would not make enough money to even be worth promoting any other sites and the whole house of cards would collapse. Some are newer, and some are more established, but Nikki Sims is at the top of that list. Some others were mentioned in this thread, too, some were not.

Pseudonymous · 01-13-2015, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by His Infernal Majesty

Yes, I can see you're trying to make a point that affiliates should, by your numbers (which are based a lot on just your own conjecture), promote your new "modern era" sites over those dusty "old" sites that just rebill. Your numbers don't line up, though, and I'm not sure any affiliate who spends a lot of time promoting these sites would agree with you.

OP, the correct answer to your question is Nikki Sims. I'm not sure how that is even a debate. There are a few sites, maybe 5 or so, that prop up this whole niche. Without any of them, affiliates would not make enough money to even be worth promoting any other sites and the whole house of cards would collapse. Some are newer, and some are more established, but Nikki Sims is at the top of that list. Some others were mentioned in this thread, too, some were not.

I hear this from alot of oldschool webmasters, they have oldschool tgps with most of their trades being inactive sites from NN days, most of their traffic are fans of dated amateur/oldschool models, the oldschool models still do well on their sites and they think theyre just as good as any other model and could launch these days and still be the top. Not a chance.

But agree to disagree, btw, i was an affiliate since 99, prior to my network, i pushed these sites also. Ive been on both sides.

And the question wasn't about what affiliates should promote. lol so you missed the point. im saying whats more popular "these days" and what works better since i assumed the OP started this to see whats hot. not what used to be hot and is riding off that. lol hes a webmaster, not a fan.

jayman, were you asking for research in what is doing well , for ideas? or were you asking as an affiliate? - it really changes everything

And yes nikki is probably the biggest. as she launched at the start of the business and maintained updates and has bigger boobs than ariel. lol if you want biggest memberbase, just look at consistency.

mutt doesn't think these nn girls he pushes are the best just because they do well on bods, he understands the type of traffic he has due to the age of his site and his trade partners

whats your newest tgp and who are the trade partners? ;) throw up a new tgp, with modern trades and see how well the likes of nikki/kate/ariel do vs popular modern girls. it depends on the traffic you have. and your traffic is oldschool

Mutt · 01-13-2015, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by His Infernal Majesty

A site making 10 new sales a day and holding only 400 members is not a very good site to send traffic to as an affiliate. It means most members are cancelling right away.

That was true 5 years ago - today a sale is a sale, I'll take the 14 dollars for the original signup. Bods sells Zishy, I just checked the 'conversion stats' - a Zishy signup is worth $10.53 per member, I can do the same with the x-art and ftvgirls, two great sites you'd think would rebill great, they don't rebill any better on Bods that your average solo site and less than some of the really good solo sites, of course that is probably because Bods surfers are solo site fans. So a one month and done sale on a solo girl site at 25-30 dollars is worth more than a Zishy sale.

His Infernal Majesty · 01-13-2015, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

I hear this from alot of oldschool webmasters, they have oldschool tgps with most of their trades being inactive sites from NN days, most of their traffic are fans of dated amateur/oldschool models, the oldschool models still do well on their sites and they think theyre just as good as any other model and could launch these days and still be the top. Not a chance.

But agree to disagree, btw, i was an affiliate since 99, prior to my network, i pushed these sites also. Ive been on both sides.

And the question wasn't about what affiliates should promote. lol so you missed the point. im saying whats more popular "these days" and what works better since i assumed the OP started this to see whats hot. not what used to be hot and is riding off that. lol hes a webmaster, not a fan.

jayman, were you asking for research in what is doing well , for ideas? or were you asking as an affiliate?

And yes nikki is probably the biggest. as she launched at the start of the business and maintained updates and has bigger boobs than ariel. lol if you want biggest memberbase, just look at consistency.

mutt doesn't think these nn girls he pushes are the best just because they do well on bods, he understands the type of traffic he has due to the age of his site and his trade partners

whats your newest tgp and who are the trade partners? ;) throw up a new tgp, with modern trades and see how well the likes of nikki/kate/ariel do vs popular modern girls. it depends on the traffic you have. and your traffic is oldschool

Ryan, what are the average conversion rates of your sites for affiliates? I didn't start promoting these types of sites as an affiliate until 2012. I'd say I have a pretty good grasp on what is going on along with talking to the other guys who promote these sites exclusively. There are all kinds of ways to spin numbers, but you said yourself all these sites have the same affiliates.

Also, please don't speak for Mutt. I greatly value his opinion on these things and would like to hear what he thinks, not what you think he thinks.

Pseudonymous · 01-13-2015, 02:39 PM

also a tip for affiliates. if you think long term, you should push anybody who is continuing to give you new content, if you dont, you may not have anymore sites to promote. especially when it comes to solo

i saw sites like bravo/croc avoid adding some of the newer models in recent years and to be honest, the difference between a few big affiliates getting onboard or not, is enough to make or break a solo site. if you want new stuff, help promote new stuff. or all you'll be doing is pushing the same old dusty sites until that well runs dry.

also, last i heard, nikki was thinking of hanging up the heels soon

Mutt · 01-13-2015, 02:39 PM

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I thought Aspen looked mediocre in this set together,

That's true, I debated even releasing that set with Aspen. She was just a few weeks past her 18th birthday and had just flown down to Arkansas to do her first photo shoot, so John just plopped her down with Destiny right off the plane as he was shooting Destiny. So Aspen had no styling whatsoever and doesn't look good. There was also a height differential, Aspen is I think 4 inches taller than Destiny.

I think Destiny facially might be the most beautiful girl ever to do a solo site BUT Aspen is the better model, I've said this since her first shoot, while everybody thought Destiny was going to be a big star I said Aspen is better.

Pseudonymous · 01-13-2015, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by His Infernal Majesty

Ryan, what are the average conversion rates of your sites for affiliates? I didn't start promoting these types of sites as an affiliate until 2012. I'd say I have a pretty good grasp on what is going on along with talking to the other guys who promote these sites exclusively. There are all kinds of ways to spin numbers, but you said yourself all these sites have the same affiliates.

Also, please don't speak for Mutt. I greatly value his opinion on these things and would like to hear what he thinks, not what you think he thinks.

i know what he thinks. lol he's too lazy to type. (i think hes winded from his last post)

average conversion rate? well my sites dont update frequently anymore as i have chosen to move to hardcore, so i couldn't give you the numbers. but i do recall comparing them many times during their lifes with all the other sites. and they were always in same ball park .. well with other sites with similar popularity . looking at conversion rate has always been rather pointless to me.. the smaller a site is, the better it will convert, always been like that since the beginning of time. this is why beta does well, this is why people complain about manwin, etc - the bigger you get, the lower your conversion rate will be. when my conversion rate sucks, i know i've made it. everybodys seen my stuff. my content is everywhere.

btw i never said conversion rates are always the asme, i same price per member, which is a stat you can see in ccbill for how much money you make per member, which has to do with rebills.

whats your tgp site? so i can check out your trade partners. i can tell you why an old model might do better but i suspect you know why this is the case sometimes

His Infernal Majesty · 01-13-2015, 02:45 PM

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That was true 5 years ago - today a sale is a sale, I'll take the 14 dollars for the original signup. Bods sells Zishy, I just checked the 'conversion stats' - a Zishy signup is worth $10.53 per member, I can do the same with the x-art and ftvgirls, two great sites you'd think would rebill great, they don't rebill any better on Bods that your average solo site and less than some of the really good solo sites, of course that is probably because Bods surfers are solo site fans. So a one month on done on a solo girl site at 25-30 dollars is worth more than a Zishy sale.

Zishy is at a lower price so that is a bit of a different set of parameters. It's a $7.99 sale vs a $25-30 sale. Zishy has to rebill a lot to make up the difference. But the customers are rebilling a few months to get you to $10.53 per member at that rate. I'm not sure why FTVGirls wouldn't rebill they have some great content on there. Top models doing the naughtiest things.

Mutt · 01-13-2015, 02:47 PM

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Also, please don't speak for Mutt. I greatly value his opinion on these things and would like to hear what he thinks, not what you think he thinks.

Hehee - he likes to speak for me, I don't mind. But what is the question here? Bods is the same as you as an affiliate, the old NN stars sell best on Bods, Nikki, Patty, Brooke etc

NN sells best on Bods - the 2 latest Prism Cash NN girls, Lilyxo and Shannynxo have sold great, the best new solo site girls for Bods in the past 2 years.

Mutt · 01-13-2015, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by His Infernal Majesty

Zishy is at a lower price so that is a bit of a different set of parameters. It's a $7.99 sale vs a $25-30 sale. Zishy has to rebill a lot to make up the difference. But the customers are rebilling a few months to get you to $10.53 per member at that rate.

The average payout on Zishy on Bods is $5.59, also remember that there are some multi month memberships mixed in at 19.99 i think sp those sales I think are $7.99 commission - so Zishy isn't really even rebilling 1 full month on Bods, just short of it.

His Infernal Majesty · 01-13-2015, 02:55 PM

I agree, I think Doug has done some fine work with Prism Cash.

I haven't promoted Zishy, yet, so I don't know the numbers. I just hope he does well because I like what he is doing. So I guess that is conjecture on my part.

Pseudonymous · 01-13-2015, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

The average payout on Zishy on Bods is $5.59, also remember that there are some multi month memberships mixed in at 19.99 i think sp those sales I think are $7.99 commission - so Zishy isn't really even rebilling 1 full month on Bods, just short of it.

Take into account, mutt and i's membership costs are 29.99. Much higher than normal, as thats the cost you have to have if you want to expand. Good companies typically do. I see even EPC has sites at 39.99

Pseudonymous · 01-13-2015, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by His Infernal Majesty

I agree, I think Doug has done some fine work with Prism Cash.

I haven't promoted Zishy, yet, so I don't know the numbers. I just hope he does well because I like what he is doing. So I guess that is conjecture on my part.

Yes doug has. If you can succeed from scratch in 2014/2015, you know what youre doing. Doug's a great webmaster. Though he is catering to the type of traffic he has internally and through trades. As thats the best avenue for him.

Mutt · 01-13-2015, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by His Infernal Majesty

I agree, I think Doug has done some fine work with Prism Cash.

I haven't promoted Zishy, yet, so I don't know the numbers. I just hope he does well because I like what he is doing. So I guess that is conjecture on my part.

I love Zishy, I approached him about shooting something for me long ago but he wasn't interested in doing what I wanted. Then Doug asked him to shoot a girl for him, Zishy said it would be $500 per photoset

Pseudonymous · 01-13-2015, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

I love Zishy, I approached him about shooting something for me long ago but he wasn't interested in doing what I wanted. Then Doug asked him to shoot a girl for him, Zishy said it would be $500 per photoset

Yep if only that site could get more graphic (most of it being in the members area), the potential would be MASSSIVE. It would take over the web. Shame he has no interest in it

His Infernal Majesty · 01-13-2015, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

I love Zishy, I approached him about shooting something for me long ago but he wasn't interested in doing what I wanted. Then Doug asked him to shoot a girl for him, Zishy said it would be $500 per photoset

I like his work enough that I would've probably paid him that. He shoots just dead on with the flash but he does it perfectly. He's an artist.

Him and John shoot the best photos in this niche by far based on my personal opinion.

EpicPanda · 01-13-2015, 03:11 PM

Mutt · 01-13-2015, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by His Infernal Majesty

I like his work enough that I would've probably paid him that. He shoots just dead on with the flash but he does it perfectly. He's an artist.

Him and John shoot the best photos in this niche by far based on my personal opinion.

John's great, he makes girls look beautiful and happy, Zishy has a totally different style and people *think* it's not hard to shoot, but it is, it's more than just the dead on flash.

Pseudonymous · 01-13-2015, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

John's great, he makes girls look beautiful and happy, Zishy has a totally different style and people *think* it's not hard to shoot, but it is, it's more than just the dead on flash.

Its not that its hard, its just that his style is what people happen to like in porn as its refreshing. Most skilled photographers dont stay and focus on making their photography look amateur. They go more and more professional to showcase their talents.

What is hard about it , is holding back from wanting it to look more and more professional. As a photographer myself, even if you know its not exactly what the fans care about, you care more and more about the technical part of the photography. He puts that aside

I'd say its just more unique than difficult or skilled

Yeah ill take a photographer who can make girls look good over a more skilled photographer anyday, both zishy and john's photography does that to girls. very very few in the adult industry make girls better than they are. actually i'd go as far as to say, they make them worse. obviously not talking about no makeup to makeup, moreso just what another photographer could do with their makeup and wardrobe vs them

EpicPanda · 01-13-2015, 03:42 PM

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What is hard about it

Color, framing, wardrobe, location, poses. It's not all amazing, but whose stuff is? Zishy is consistently eye-catching. It looks like American Apparel ads.

That's the art. I'll take that over only day-lit stuff in a rented mansion where the sets are indistinguishable. "Okay now sit on the couch" (Snap 200 photos.) "Okay now stand by the window." (snap 200 photos) "Okay now stand by this... old piano... I guess."

We've all been guilty of boiler plate shooting, and sometimes that's what you have to do when you are paying a day rate, have an uninterested model and need the sets to close out the shoot. It takes some artistry and inspiration to accomplish what he is doing, and I'd agree with giving him credit for that.

Pseudonymous · 01-13-2015, 03:45 PM

we're all giving him credit, its just not really skilled or hard, its just having an eye/artistry/and sticking with amateur. and not caring about profit. which he does not, which hes admitted himself. he didn't care if he only made a bit of extra money. and re: poses, wardrobe, location, all come with just taking more time and shooting less in a day

in this industry, artistry has never paid off. lol 2000 cookie cutter pics from a good photographer will sell more than 20 amazingly unique photos. ive tested quality vs quanity many times before. most programs dont go the route of continually putting out cookie cutter stuff just because they can't do anything else, its done because it gives the owner the most bang for the buck. it also gives them a higher chance of succeeding out of the gate

this isn't an industry for artists. ;)

thankfully sometimes when you have enough money and arent so obsessed with money and taking it to the next step/or have other sources of income, you can take the time to do things how you want. i have a feeling if you started in 2014/2015, you wouldnt' be spending all the time you do making those little short films you make with your models ;) haha

His Infernal Majesty · 01-13-2015, 03:54 PM

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"Okay now stand by this... old piano... I guess."

It was a sexy piano, though!

Pseudonymous · 01-13-2015, 03:56 PM

what are you trying to say phad

lol

His Infernal Majesty · 01-13-2015, 04:05 PM

Old and dusty, just how I like 'em!

EpicPanda · 01-13-2015, 04:09 PM

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It was a sexy piano, though!

THERE IT IS!

Yeah what red blooded American guy doesn't know a girl who had an old piano in their nice house, and was always teasing them by playing piano. Man, all this talk about piano is getting me fired up

seksi · 01-13-2015, 08:56 PM

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Alex suggests SiriPornstar.com is more popular than ArielRebel.com and that ArielRebel is hugely popular in Portugal, that where a lot of her traffic is coming from.

Google Trends says "Ariel Rebel" is a more common search phrase than "Siri Pornstar"

I guess it depends on what you mean by "solo girl" site, too. For softcore / non-nude CearaLynch.com is interesting.

Alex = Alexa.com

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01-12-2015, 12:53 PM	#60
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01-13-2015, 03:29 AM	#69
Pseudonymous Photographer/Owner Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 2,661	Also what is bigger, a site with 600 rebillers (from years back) and getting a few sales a day and dropping every year, or a site that launched in the modern era maintaining itself with 10 new sales a day and 400 members ? Considering the question is usually asked to see who is most popular, models who built their empires back 10 years ago and have just been updating regularly to slow the process of declining arent' exactly the ones i'd throw out first. especially to a webmaster who is looking at gaining knowledge and better himself as a webmaster __________________ Previous owner of SoloRevenue Previous product manager @ Modelcentro.com/MCProfits.com, IsMyGirl.com, SMRevenue.com

01-13-2015, 02:39 PM	#79
Pseudonymous Photographer/Owner Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 2,661	also a tip for affiliates. if you think long term, you should push anybody who is continuing to give you new content, if you dont, you may not have anymore sites to promote. especially when it comes to solo i saw sites like bravo/croc avoid adding some of the newer models in recent years and to be honest, the difference between a few big affiliates getting onboard or not, is enough to make or break a solo site. if you want new stuff, help promote new stuff. or all you'll be doing is pushing the same old dusty sites until that well runs dry. also, last i heard, nikki was thinking of hanging up the heels soon __________________ Previous owner of SoloRevenue Previous product manager @ Modelcentro.com/MCProfits.com, IsMyGirl.com, SMRevenue.com

01-12-2015, 05:47 PM	#61
His Infernal Majesty Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 469	While Twitter followers and Freeones rankings are fun to jerk off to; the top solo models are the ones who make their affiliates the most money.

01-12-2015, 09:42 PM	#63
seksi Phonetically Sexy Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: USA Posts: 312	Alex suggests SiriPornstar.com is more popular than ArielRebel.com and that ArielRebel is hugely popular in Portugal, that where a lot of her traffic is coming from. Google Trends says "Ariel Rebel" is a more common search phrase than "Siri Pornstar" I guess it depends on what you mean by "solo girl" site, too. For softcore / non-nude CearaLynch.com is interesting.

01-13-2015, 04:19 AM	#71
His Infernal Majesty Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 469	A site making 10 new sales a day and holding only 400 members is not a very good site to send traffic to as an affiliate. It means most members are cancelling right away.

01-13-2015, 02:19 PM	#75
His Infernal Majesty Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 469	Yes, I can see you're trying to make a point that affiliates should, by your numbers (which are based a lot on just your own conjecture), promote your new "modern era" sites over those dusty "old" sites that just rebill. Your numbers don't line up, though, and I'm not sure any affiliate who spends a lot of time promoting these sites would agree with you. OP, the correct answer to your question is Nikki Sims. I'm not sure how that is even a debate. There are a few sites, maybe 5 or so, that prop up this whole niche. Without any of them, affiliates would not make enough money to even be worth promoting any other sites and the whole house of cards would collapse. Some are newer, and some are more established, but Nikki Sims is at the top of that list. Some others were mentioned in this thread, too, some were not.

01-13-2015, 02:55 PM	#85
His Infernal Majesty Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 469	I agree, I think Doug has done some fine work with Prism Cash. I haven't promoted Zishy, yet, so I don't know the numbers. I just hope he does well because I like what he is doing. So I guess that is conjecture on my part.

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01-13-2015, 03:45 PM	#95
Pseudonymous Photographer/Owner Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 2,661	we're all giving him credit, its just not really skilled or hard, its just having an eye/artistry/and sticking with amateur. and not caring about profit. which he does not, which hes admitted himself. he didn't care if he only made a bit of extra money. and re: poses, wardrobe, location, all come with just taking more time and shooting less in a day in this industry, artistry has never paid off. lol 2000 cookie cutter pics from a good photographer will sell more than 20 amazingly unique photos. ive tested quality vs quanity many times before. most programs dont go the route of continually putting out cookie cutter stuff just because they can't do anything else, its done because it gives the owner the most bang for the buck. it also gives them a higher chance of succeeding out of the gate this isn't an industry for artists. ;) thankfully sometimes when you have enough money and arent so obsessed with money and taking it to the next step/or have other sources of income, you can take the time to do things how you want. i have a feeling if you started in 2014/2015, you wouldnt' be spending all the time you do making those little short films you make with your models ;) haha __________________ Previous owner of SoloRevenue Previous product manager @ Modelcentro.com/MCProfits.com, IsMyGirl.com, SMRevenue.com

01-13-2015, 03:56 PM	#97
Pseudonymous Photographer/Owner Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 2,661	what are you trying to say phad lol __________________ Previous owner of SoloRevenue Previous product manager @ Modelcentro.com/MCProfits.com, IsMyGirl.com, SMRevenue.com

01-13-2015, 04:05 PM	#98
His Infernal Majesty Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 469	Old and dusty, just how I like 'em!