crockett

What ever happened to Republicans whom used to pretend to be cowboys and tough guys? Now days Republicans are too embarrassed to even call themselves republicans, so they pretend to be independents while doing nothing but crying about Democrats.

Funny stuff, Republicans used to make fun of liberal's because they were soft or this or that. Now Republicans do nothing but whine and cry OBAMA OBAMA, OBAMA!

Rochard

I was originally against this idea, but... I cannot see why anyone is against this. It will create lots of "long term temporary" jobs (I am guessing it will take years to build) and will eventually create some long term jobs. In the end, it will be just another pipeline already like the thousands we already have in place.

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2MuchMark

Links?

And so ok, let's say they are the 4th largest lease holder... don't you think that they might, just might, be pushing their buddies on congress to ram XL through?

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2MuchMark

Dyna, did you know that there have been five (count'em : 5) pipeline ruptures, this month alone?

Google it :

In Glendale Montana, a 12" pipeline burst, dumping tens of thousands of gallons of oil into the Yellowstone River, used as drinking water by Glendale. Williston North Dakota also gets their drinking water from the same river.

But now get this : Williston North Dakota also just had a pipeline rupture. This time, 3 Million Gallons of toxic drilling byproduct, which spilled into the blacktail creek. It is the largest spill in the state's history.

There has been 3 more including a natural gas pipeline that just exploded today.

My point is, is that this is the oil and gas and coal industry. They are having an insane amount of very damaging accidents that leave poisoned land and water behind, with no way to really clean them up. This very same industry keeps telling you that everything is fine, everything is ok. Those very same people also try very hard to get regulations out of the way, so they can keep doing the same things, causing the same damage, without responsibility.

How can you keep defending them?






Tens of thousands of gallons of oil into the Yellowstone River in Montana. This is the SECOND time it has happened to this river.

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TheSquealer

Suddenly, elected officials should not represent the will of the people who elected them. Good stuff.

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crockett

It's amazing how easily manipulated and brainwashed you people are. No normal person has anything to do with this pipeline, it serves no benifit to any average American.. It serves benifit only to a handful of large corporations whom could give a rats ass about you. Much less some of these corporations are not even American..

The best part is the oil won't even be sold in the US..

Most of the jobs created will be Canadian it's only something like 30 long term jobs created in the US.. Meanwhile citizens of this country will have their property taken by enimit domain..

Yet some talking heads get on Fox News and brainwash you morons into turning it into a right vs left thing..

Let's not even get into all the oil pipe lines which leak each year..nope a little oil in the drinking water is good.. MERIA Fuck Yea..

It's no wonder the right wing tries so hard to dumb down our school system.. It's working great for them..


The best best part about all of this, is Democrats have been against the pipe line since the beginning. Yet now right wingers are brainwashed into running around the Internet claiming that this is just political games as payback.. Not that they were always aginst it..

You guys are just way too predictable..and far too easily used as pawns..

seksi

Blame the Dems all you want, but ultimately you have to admit that McConnell failed to to be an effective leader in the Senate he made a pledge he couldn't keep, and he couldn't keep his own GOP Senators on the job, many of them are too busy campaigning for 2016 to bother showing up for the GOP's #1 legislative priority, this Canadian pipeline deal.

Instead of allowing full debate and a normal process for the bill, McConnell broke his pledge, quashed debate, scheduled a vote on cloture at the worst possible time for his own pet project. Why? Was an open and transparent debate on the merits of a radical move to approve this pipeline without completing the normal permitting process so harmful to Transcada that they engineered this scuttling? Or can McConnell simply not count?

Nevada's Harry Reid was a much more skillful & effective puppet for the 1% as Senate Majority Leader. I am not so sure that at that level partisanship matters. Process obviously does, though.

dyna mo

Are the Koch brothers the “biggest lease holder” in Canada’s oil sands? (UPDATED) - The Washington Post

of course they use their sway to get things done for them. but that isn't why the dems are clogging up government.

arock10

Democracy fuck yeah

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there's prolly been 5 ruptures in the time it took me to write this sentence. this topic is not about that. i'm not defending anything here.

this thread is re: how dems are getting in the way of this bill passing in spite of the public wanting it, etc.. get even politics isn't good for anyone.

dyna mo

was reading elsewhere both sides will need to raise $1 billion each for their candidate to be competitive.

seksi

Here's how Senate Dems got public opinion right, in not supporting McConnell's demand to approve Keystone XL by this exceptional Congressional action, without the normal review process:

Politifact: Joni Ernst says 'a strong majority of Americans' back the Keystone XL pipeline

dyna mo

according to the article you linked, senate democrats got public opinion wrong and ernst was correct in her statement.


Ernst said that "a strong majority of Americans support" the Keystone XL pipeline.

She?s right that between 56 percent and 60 percent of the public has consistently supported the project when asked outright whether it should be built. However, one poll found public concern about building it before reviews are complete -- a stance more in tune with Obama than with Republican leaders.

The statement is accurate but needs clarification or additional information, so we rate it Mostly True.

dyna mo

BO is just as guilty re: the review process-

On April 18, 2014 the Obama administration announced that the review of the controversial Keystone XL oil pipeline has been extended indefinitely, pending the result of a legal challenge to a Nebraska pipeline siting law that could change the route. On January 9, 2015, the Nebraska Supreme Court cleared the way for construction, and on the same day the House voted in favor of the pipeline.


on January 9th, BO's official reason for stalling keystone expired.

crockett

Hey you dirty liberal commie and socialist.. no need for any of that truth talk around here we have a narrative to upkeep.. Why do you hate the GOP's MERKIA?

dyna mo

it would be truth talk if it were in fact, you know, true.


unfortunately for your narrative, it's total bullshit.

Rochard

And?

Are you saying because a ship carrying oil might leak and spit out millions of barrels of oil so we should never build an oil tanker again? Of course not.

Here where I live we had massive tanker train fire that caused our entire town to be evacuated, yet a few years later we still run trains through our town every day like clockwork.

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dyna mo

liberals would ban trains there. problem solved! simple.

dyna mo

The White House is fresh out of ideas for delaying the Keystone XL pipeline.

For months, the president said he couldn?t move on the issue until the Nebraska Supreme Court ruled on a local legal challenge to the pipeline. ?I?m just going to gather up the facts,? he explained. Strange, since a brilliant attorney such as the president should have immediately recognized that the case was an obvious delaying tactic with no hope of winning.

In an unsurprising development, this month, the court threw out the case. That same day, the House of Representatives passed a bipartisan bill approving Keystone. The Senate is expected to do the same soon.

Given these developments, President Obama should approve Keystone once and for all.

The only delay justified at this point is divisive partisan politics, which is no justification at all.

No more excuses on the Keystone pipeline

Initially, opponents claimed it would increase carbon emissions. President Obama used that line and promised to block Keystone if it was shown to negatively affect the environment.

The State Department looked into this issue and found that Keystone?s construction would have, at most, a negligible impact on carbon emissions.

What?s more, researchers determined that its construction could have positive environmental benefits as well. Keystone would help expand U.S. natural gas production. Gas releases about half the emissions of coal and is its lower priced substitute. So the migration to gas prompted by the pipeline could reduce overall domestic greenhouse gas emissions.

Robbie

Politically, Pres. Obama has done everything in his power to NOT have to make a decision on the pipeline.
That's what Sen. Reid was for...to run interference to keep that off the Pres. desk.

That's over now. And Pres. Obama will have it dumped on his desk to sign or not sign.

Then the political chips are gonna fall where they will. The Democrat Party has seemed to think that it will be very bad for the Pres. to have to say "no". So I think a day of reckoning (politically for the 2016 candidates) may be coming.

Good news is...both the Republicans and Democrats are going to end up shooting themselves in the feet with it. Fuck both of those organizations.

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seksi

The good news is that the GOP is unable to pass legislation... that's good news because they are the censorious lot that is usually responsible for unworkable, burdensome and usually unconstitutional restrictions on adult speech & entertainment, e.g. 2257 and the Child Online Protection Act of 1998

The GOP Senate will last 2 years and do little damage.

You folks in California should really be lobbying & going to fundraisers and meet and greets for who ever will replace Boxer, and recruiting someone to replace Feinstein, eventually. In Nevada, maybe Reid is more approachable as he's not so busy wielding power on the national state, I dunno. There should be some kind of Free Speech lobby or something.

Robbie

Aren't Democrats in power in California right NOW? And isn't that where all these new anti-porn laws are happening...NOW?

You really think that Democrats are any "better" than Republicans? I sure don't.

When they come out (like Libertarians do) and say that people should be FREE. And abolish drug laws that restrict ADULTS from living the way they please...and abolish all these "obscenity" laws that throw ADULTS into prison for filming ADULTS having consensual sex...then I'll believe it.

Until then...all I can tell you is that the 2-party system has ruled our country TOGETHER for a long, long time. And TOGETHER they are responsible for everything happening.

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Rochard

That's politics at it's finest. Doesn't matter who is in office, it's business as usual.

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2MuchMark

Why do you see this as "getting in the way"?

The proposed pipeline is also going to cut through people's property, and the property owners has valid legal complaints about this. Not too long ago, only the government could exprppriate private land. And even then, it had to be for public use, the land owner had to be compensated, and it had to fulfill a real public need.

There is no public need for the pipeline - its a PRIVATE need. And yes people you voted for, are trying to push this through.

So again, don't you think that there is a concern here?

Boiled down: A foreign corporation, in an industry with a terrible safety record, wants to take away private land from owners, to build a pipeline to pump dangerous, polluting, and volitile substances, for a market that quite frankly doesn't even need it at the moment, and you think that raising questions about this is just "dems getting in the way"?

Come on man, I know you're a smart guy - you have to at least acknowledge that something is very very fucked up here...

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I don't have all the answers. I just wish that these endless oil spills, pipeline ruptures and other disasters would make people get up off their asses and do something about it, instead of watch these bad situations get made worse, and worse, and worse, thanks to the Kochs and their employees in government. It's really fucking sad...

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epitome

How sad that a commercial pipeline is even a legislative priority.

Let alone a top priority.

You'd think there are more important things the GOP and their constituents would be concerned with.

epitome

Majority of Americans wanted the Affordable Care Act.

Republicans tried blocking that in Congress by claiming they were doing everybody a favor.

Democrats do the same thing and Republicans get their panties in a bunch.

Be prepared to take back whatever you dish out. You can't bitch when the opposing team takes a play out of your very own playbook.

seksi

Democrats are popular in California, they win elections, and they have a fairly open and transparent party process that could be engaged by people in or allied with the porn professions. A couple years ago the Chair of the LA County Dems and Vice Chair of the California Democratic Party attended and participated in a session at XBiz360. I didn't get my exchange with him on video, but I did get him to spell out the steps that LA porners could take to defend themselves successfully from AHF/Weinstein tactics.

Libertarians are an ideological group that work for or are inspired by the Koch brothers and their money, and maybe a few extreme "cyberlibertarians" like the folks at EFF and the SilkRoad website.

I have helped both types achieve some successes in the election arena. I have occasionally had success in keep some individual from both camps accountable, too. Your odds of keeping parties that publish their own constitutions and bylaws, have open meetings in public venues at the advertised time and date are slightly higher, but only if you show up again and again, even if you feel unwelcome at first. Especially of you keep showing up in greater or equal numbers after years of feeling unwelcome and uneasy.

My sense is that Weinstein & camp are unwelcome, but they keep showing up. I am pretty sure most LA porners were more busy with XBiz and AVN plans than the recent endorsing conventions. They will get the same results they always have, for that same investment.

People with similar private & commercial interests in adult free speech in my area will do incrementally, progressively better at achieving representation while in LA they will continue to flail, unless there is some serious, new examination of why things are the way the are.

Robbie

LOL! Libertarians aren't "inspired" by the Kochs.

You listen to too much propaganda put out by scared Republican and Democrat politicians.

The Vice Presidential candidate of the Libertarian Party in 2012 spoke to us at the CEO dinner in Las Vegas in Jan. of 2013.
He didn't tell us how to "defend ourselves" against laws that Democrats made. He told us straight up that the Libertarian Party "stands with the adult industry" in every way and would ABOLISH those kinds of laws.

Bro, you're into party politics and party talking points. But don't try that shit on me. I'm way past being a sheep. I've voted my last time for a Democrat in 2008. And the Republicans won't get a vote from me for the rest of my life if I can help it.

Both parties are full of shit and worked together to hold power in this country. Just look at how hard it is for any candidate NOT in the 2 Party System to even get on the ballot.

It's bullshit. But it's still a free country (not really, but still a little bit free)...so you're entitled to your beliefs. But I AM a Libertarian. I assure you that I'm not "inspired" by anything except the idea of a man being free. Nothing more, nothing less.

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