Vendzilla

US Annual Threats Assessment Removes Iran from Terror Threats List - Breitbart

I just don't get this, what's going on.

The U.S. intelligence community?s Worldwide Threat Assessment removed Iran and its proxy Hezbollah from the list of terror threats to the United States.

The annual assessment of the intelligence community, which is released by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, led by General James Clapper, backed away from years of precedent when the decision was made to remove Iran and Hezbollah from the terrorism threats list, The Times of Israel reports.

Outside of the politically correct verbiage and categorization issues (such as replacing the term ?jihadist? with ?violent extremist?), the report reveals that the intelligence community believes Tehran presents a persistent, significant threat to the United States.

The report reveals that Iran presents a significant threat to the United States: ?The Islamic Republic of Iran is an ongoing threat to US national interests because of its support to the Assad regime in Syria, promulgation of anti-Israeli policies, development of advanced military capabilities, and pursuit of its nuclear program.?

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mineistaken

They made a joke about republicans so Obama decided to give them a break.

crockett

It's simple what has Iran done in the last 20 years to keep it on the list? They have a proxy war with Isreal and that's it..

So is he hezbolla lobbing rockets any worse than Israel bulldozing people's houses and kicking them off their land?

This is a smart move because it puts Isreal on notice to start working on peace because we are not going to let them stand behind us and act as terrorist.

Isreal has been a much bigger problem with stopping that conflict than Iran has been.

celandina

They are doing your job in Iraq... Defeating ISIS after your fucked nation building

Rochard

I hate to say this, but this might be partially correct. These are all middle east conflicts and we need to stay out. Let Iran fight ISIS.

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crockett

Considering we are also the reason Iran is controlled by Islamist I'd say staying the fuck out of their business is a pretty smart approach. The US/CIA are whom helped over through Iran's govt and eventually ushering in the Islamist Revolution which rules the region still to this day.

I guess we can say the Brits & USSR started the ball rolling and we kicked it through the goal posts..
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dyna mo

1. fyi, we didn't create radical islam, it was here waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaay before USA.

2. our government mistakenly went and kicked the hornet's nest and your answer to that is to go kick that nest again.

3. Iran is not fighting in Iraq, they are supporting, in less capacity than we are.

gofuckyourself.

Bryan G

Had Bush left Saddam alone there would be no IS.

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L-Pink

Iran din do nuffin. In fact they are turning their country around.

crockett

I have showed you before that yes Iran does have troops in Iraq. Not to mention that Hezbolla is doing a large amount of fighting in Iraq as "Iran's" proxy as the OP called them.

Iranian intervention in Iraq (2014–present) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Iran sends troops into Iraq to aid fight against Isis militants | World news | The Guardian

Barry-xlovecam

Would you want Iran to fill the vacuum of an ISIS defeat?
Shia Sharia Law would be an improvement?

The Ayatollah envisions a new Persian Empire just like Saddam thought he was to be the new Nebuchadnezzar. We supported Saddam in his war with Iran. Do you seriously think the current Iranian regime has forgotten this?

You will wake up with more than fleas sleeping with this dog

dyna mo

i don't dispute that, but the anti-USA sentiment was already building, another IS or al-quadda, or who the fuckever was already developing and the reason it was is not because of the USA, it's because those people need an enemy. we handed them one, US.

USA foreign policy has always always always been a cluster fuck. in fact, i can prolly say foreign policy for every country is a cluster fuck.

dyna mo

and i have showed you before that those articles don't disprove the fact that Iranians are not fighting in Iraq. they are there to support. there are no Iranians on the front lines fighting on behalf of Iraq. Even the top USA brass is OTR publically with that quoted in the same rag you link, the Guardian.

crockett

Lets look at Communist powers as a source of an example as to what to do with the middle east. Two completely oppistie stragites have come into play with China & Russia.

We have Russia, whom the US has largely kept as an adversary. Not saying it's just the US to blame Russia has also of course caused this. This problem exists because both our country's have kept each other at arm's length.

Now look at the issues the world has with Russia today because they remain an "outsider".


Next lets look at China.. China was also a foe and and many ways still is, but more of a business competitor at this point rather an an arch enemy.. Yet we opened up to them and they opened up to us. We have interwoven our economies, which means war with China will likely never happen.

We did the same with Japan & Germany after WWII, rather than try to put our boot on their neck, we engaged into each other's economies and it's been a beneficial relationship every since. Could you ever imagine us in another war against Germany or Japan? No it's not going to happen because we are valuable trade partners with one another.


Now look at Iran.. rather than trying to work diplomacy with them, we try to force them to bend to our wishes. Where has that gotten us since the 80's? No where and they now are gaining more influence.

While perhaps at this point, they might not be our best buds, if we remove the boot from their neck and offer up diplomacy, perhaps relations will grow better. One thing is 100% certain along as a boot is stomped on someone's neck they will not be very happy with the on wearing the shoe..

Considering US & Iran at one point had reasonable relation ships to the point they are still flying Phantom F4's which we sold them.. I'd say it's worth attempting diplomacy with them..

You don't win people over to your team by shoving their face in the dirt. You win them over by opening up and creating a mutual benefit.


In fact I'd say the only reason we haven't done this already, is largely due to lobbyist from Israel.. Israel wants open hostility because it's easier for them to crush their opponents and take more land.

Barry-xlovecam

Let's just look at Iran and their record since their Islamic Revolution.

Confusing the core issues by trying to obfuscate facts is just media spin.

pr0phet

Obama has decided to go with the lesser of 2 evils and has chosen Iran over Israel

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brassmonkey

they gone have jew nuffins

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crockett

So you are saying we should pretty much put sanctions on every middle eastern country as well as most in Africa and remove all diplomatic communications with them all as well?

How is Iran any worse than Saudi Arabia? Were any Iranians on the fights whom attacked us on 9/11? Nope sure wasn't but how many Saudi nationals were on those flights? Here I'll give you an answer...


The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda, and 15 of the 19 were citizens of Saudi Arabia.

How many arrests have the Saudi's made in relation to the 9/11 hijackers whom obviously had support with-in their boarders? Not a single fucking one..


What has Iran done to the US in the last 20 years?

Barry-xlovecam

Make your deal with the devil then ...
You realize Iran is upwind of most of their antagonists ...

Yada Yada Yada ... Same shit new day ....

Rochard

We didn't kick the hornet's nest. It was buzzing long before the US looked in that direction.

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Rochard

Let's think about this for just a moment.

How many countries has the US invaded or attacked in the past one hundred years, and how many hundreds of thousands or millions are dead because of US military action.

Then compare that to all of the countries Iran has attacked.

Now tell me who the bad guy really is.

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Zarathustra

To be honest political strategy really isn't meant for civilians/kids/general public etc to consume cause they're just not smart enough to realize what's actually going on

Strategy isn't if i like u i'll tell u i like u, if i hate u i'll tell u i hate u. :D

crockett

So it's ok to make a deal with the Saudi devil but not the Iranian one?

klinton

Vendzilla

Iran threatened the US Navy just last year
Also they had a mock US aircraft carrier they sank with cruise missiles
That was this year.
I was off the coast of Iran during the Iran crisis.
Human rights are always being violated
They don't have a good history of keeping their promises.
And why are we making a deal with the devil and pissing off a long time friend of the US?

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Barry-xlovecam

Same shit as 1979 ... I am not sure of the end game here but I would speculate more negotiations. They are just buying time.

dyna mo

Yes we did and I know it was around before, that was #1 on my list- radical Islam was around wàaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before USA.

brassmonkey

hard to believe the other side is just as evil. the devil owns this world.

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klinton

so what it was doing so close to Iran, Sherlock ?
when was the last time when Iran sent its ships or drones close even to Cuba or Mexico ?

bronco67

You conservatives are all about having your boogeymen. How could you get through your day without some good ol American fear?

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Vendzilla

I'm sure idiots like you said the same thing about Hitler.

Are you telling me that Liberals think we should just let Isis do whatever it's going to do?
Are you telling me that when a country that has a long standing of hate against the US and Ballistic missiles in it's arsenal , while working with nuclear power is not anything to worry about, are you that dense?

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seeandsee

Usa and iran friends again

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klinton

you mean shoarma kebab ?

crockett

Hey know it all your "conservative"great grand daddy wanted us to join Hitler's side. Fucking Prescott Bush whom was George Bush SR's dad for fuck sake and Jr's granddaddy.. Was convicted on the "trading with the enemy act". His bank kept doing business with the Nazi's well after sanctions were set in place and we were "fighting" them..

Yes the father & grand daddy of 2 American presidents and a 3rd whom is now in the running came from sperm of a man whom helped Hitler make profits while American soldiers were fighting him. Think about that when you vote for Jeb Bush, that his family's money came from the banking industry & from Nazis.

dyna mo

so political strategists aren't people- civilians/general public? where do they come from and how do they become so rational in your view? Rational in spite of the massive global political clusterfuck. maybe they are emotionless robots! tranformers, they were people but they instantly transform into brainiac political strategists upon receiving PAC monies.

dyna mo

so crockett, you're of the opinion that Iran should be allowed to pursue nuclear technology and acquire nuclear materials?

that's fine with you? just a yes or no is fine.

Joshua G

its refreshing when you admit you have no clue how the world works.

just a punk

Why should Iran be on terror threat list? How many terrorist attacks against the USA Iran were attempted by Iran in 21st century? Now tell me how many were commuted by your "ally" Saudi Arabia? Don't you see something very ugly and weird in this situation?..

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Joshua G

problem is your premise. its the "should be allowed" part. as if the USA or anybody else can control what iran wants to do. they will do it if they want, agreement or not.

the key problem, dyna mo, is the USA telling other countries they cant have nukes while we say we have to have them. there is an issue of class amongst the nations where the have-nots feel second class to the haves. this is understandable given how we care so much about useless north korea.

fact is, until the USA gives up nukes, we are hypocrites to tell any other nation they cant have them. So who cares if crokett or anything else thinks what iran "should be allowed" to do. such an imperialist thought you made.

crockett

Where did I ever say that? We are i diplomatic talks with them to stop their weapons program.


So there are 3 options to attempt to stop them from creating a nuclear bomb.

Option 1#

Spend billions of dollars and kill thousands of people, including US solders, not to mention the fact that Iran would be the most equipped country to attack on US soil with independent operatives if we did go to war with them, that we have fought since WW2.

Destroy yet another country and breed more extremist and hope they don't attack back on our own soil with independent actors..

This is the neo cons wet dream come true breeding even more Islamist extremist in the process.. It seems to have worked so well in Iraq for example.. (/sarcasm)


Option 2#

Attempt diplomacy and gain access to their nuclear program giving us an idea of what they have and what they are capable of. This gives us UN inspections and develops more trust over time.

Option #3


Talk really sternly to them and point your finger saying we are going to blow you up if you cross this line.. Oh wait umm I meant this line over here.. wait no this line here..

This gives us no record of what they are capable off which causes more tension and distrust which will eventually lead to them saying Hey guys look at our nuclear bomb!!!

I assume this is your preferred choice of action!!



So tell us Dyno Mo.. do you prefer we start another war to "maybe" stop them.. You can't assume we would win.. or do you just want to be very mean and point your finger saying bad. bad little Mohammad..

Obviously you don't seem to care for the option of diplomacy so you must be in one of the other 2 camps.. Which one is it?

dyna mo

it's not my premise, Joshua G.. Moreover, Joshua G., it's NATO and the entire western world USA is representing here.


Finally, Joshua G., no it's not hypocritical. you seem to think the world can put the nuclear genie back in its bottle, that's not reality.


But thanks Joshue G. for letting us know you have no problems with more nukes in the ME. somehow that's OK, because the opposite would be hypocritical and that's much worse.

dyna mo

settle down, i didn't say you said that, thus my yes or no question to you. Again, I simply asked you if you think it's OK allowing Iran to pursue nuclear tech and materials.

this has nothing to do with me and my view, I am inquiring about YOUR view.


do you think that's OK?

dyna mo

Joshua G. thinks I'm the guy who came up with the Iran is too radical for nuclear technology premise.


that's pretty cool he thinks of me that way

nice right!

Joshua G

actually its just the nuclear powers negotiating with iran, not the world, not NATO. your most basic facts, as usual, flimsy.

do i have a problem with nukes in the ME? who cares. unless the USA leads the effort to put the genie back in the bottle, the genie is going to end up in the ME. The question is whether the hypocrities that think only certain people should possess them will change their tune before DC is a fireball.

celandina

If history repeats itself this was the same attitude of the Romans in the 5th century.... " let the barbarians kill each other and then we' walk over them"....

A big mistake, the Barbarians figured it out joined together and in less then30 years destroyed the Roman empire... Just Google Theoderic the Amal...and then go into your bunker.

sandman!

when has Hezbollah attacked the usa ?

they have not i dont think

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Barry-xlovecam

Ayatollahs with atomic bombs sounds very reasonable ...

Has anyone openly threatened to invade Iran? The Ayatollah is delusional, maybe paranoic, and the Supreme Leader of a theocracy that has divine right to rule.

And you want to give The Ayatollah a nuclear weapons capability?

dyna mo

you might want to reread what i wrote because it's clear you didn't read it properly the first time. I'll repeat it here- USA is representing NATO and the entire West.

If you think that's flimsy, here's NATO's view on iran and nuclear proliferation to get you squared away with facts

NATO Review - Nuclear chess: what's Iran's next move?

Next, I did not ask you about your view on Iran and nukes.

celandina

Comparing to El Baghdadi the Ayatollah is a democrat