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Old 03-25-2015, 05:48 PM   #1
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Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France

PARIS ? As officials struggled Wednesday to explain why a jet with 150 people on board crashed in relatively clear skies, an investigator said evidence from a cockpit voice recorder indicated one pilot left the cockpit before the plane?s descent and was unable to get back in.

A senior military official involved in the investigation described ?very smooth, very cool? conversation between the pilots during the early part of the flight from Barcelona to Düsseldorf. Then the audio indicated that one of the pilots left the cockpit and could not re-enter.

?The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,? the investigator said. ?And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.?

He said, ?You can hear he is trying to smash the door down.?

While the audio seemed to give some insight into the circumstances leading up to the Germanwings crash, it also left many questions unanswered.
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f the flight, the other pilot is alone and does not open the door."


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Heart attack, suicide?..
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Heart attack, suicide?..
he went to take a shit forgot the nudy goes to keep the door open
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jihad???????
how did they get the pilot out????
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you would think there would be a secret way to override the lock on the door
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you would think there would be a secret way to override the lock on the door
Think about that for a minute...
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Seems post 9/11 cockpit doors do their job.
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I guess they need a new rule...no one alone in the cockpit..if one pilot leaves a stewardess must be there just in case
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They should send the NTSB and do another episode of plane crash investigation...
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I guess they need a new rule...no one alone in the cockpit..if one pilot leaves a stewardess must be there just in case
thats good thinking.

what if stewardess is terrorist.
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Heart attack, suicide?..
With the slow crash decent, heart attack/health problem sounds most feasible
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I guess they need a new rule...no one alone in the cockpit..if one pilot leaves a stewardess must be there just in case
That already IS a rule. Rules get broken though.
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It was and inside job.

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With the slow crash decent, heart attack/health problem sounds most feasible
Except that the plane when cruising like that is most likely on autopilot to begin with.
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That already IS a rule. Rules get broken though.
Correct. No one is allowed to stay alone in the cockpit. The whole thing doesn't smell good. I wonder if airlines companies do an extensive personal records look up before their hire a pilot? After all, they got the biggest weapon in their hands.
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?The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,? the investigator said. ?And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.?

He said, ?You can hear he is trying to smash the door down.?
Booze
I hate to say but I've been on some of these european domestic flights and I've noticed a couple of times the pilots drinking wine and looking halfway plastered.

My theory is that pilot 1 went back to get another bottle and pilot 2 passed out.
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cookpit door

My sis is a pilot and she says there is no way of overriding the locked door to get into the cookpit..i trust her...
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Seems post 9/11 cockpit doors do their job.
i wanted to post something similar. Yeah, safety against terrorists goes first
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i wanted to post something similar. Yeah, safety against terrorists goes first
Well that's great then..... the cockpit door did its job.
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once again, why there is no burned land on the crash site?
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it's a trap
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no burned land, no fuel in the plane when it touched the ground? then how is that possible?
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no burned land, no fuel in the plane when it touched the ground? then how is that possible?
the best answer is probably that they forget to fill the tank
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the best answer is probably that they forget to fill the tank
Well said - they probably visited the crash site and left without filling the tank...
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My sis is a pilot and she says there is no way of overriding the locked door to get into the cookpit..i trust her...
read about it this morning - the A320 cockpit door has a code lock for emergencies so that it can be opened from outside (the code changes all the time)

BUT: that can be disabled from inside for 5-20 minutes

so IF the second pilot decides to lock himself in and crash the plane, he can do it and no one can do anything against it.

and yes, we can thank the terrorists for that
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whatever it is, is it really important now after all those people died?
it's just sad...
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I would suggest the following. One pilot could went out to wc and another pilot who stayed in
the cabin, could got heart attack and all... If the door to the cabin is available to open only from inside (ps: i'm not sure but as i know after 9/11 this is necessary security measure), then everything is explained...The pilot who went out, can't open the door in order to return back and all ...it's a crash...
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they are just confirming it on TV - co pilot locked the door and crashed the plane

it is completely silent in the cockpit, no word was spoken the last 10 minutes, you hear the other pilot trying to break in, the last seconds you hear screams - people knew they were going to crash
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whatever it is, is it really important now after all those people died?
it's just sad...
it is extremely important - if it was a technical fault you want to avoid that it happens again
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they just released that they are now focusing on a voluntarily act.....
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he went to take a shit forgot the nudy goes to keep the door open
2nd inconsistent sentence i read today from you, where i really can't decipher what the hell you are saying. Is your brain shrinking even more?
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they just released that they are now focusing on a voluntarily act.....
The pilot intentionally wanted to blow it up. Here is the latest:

Germanwings plane crash: Co-pilot 'wanted to destroy plane' - BBC News
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I still say they were drunk.

Pilot 1 passed out at the wheel.
Pilot 2 forgot the secret code to let him back in the cockpit

With all the bullshit of plane accidents and other assorted bullshit these days the solution is to travel by boat and bring your own inflatable lifeboat.
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and yes, we can thank the terrorists for that
You know, the second pilot who has crashed the plane was a terrorist. So yes, you we ca thank the terrorists for that.
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someone on the plane got "chaotic", stewardess cannot help, pilot wanted to calm situation down, got taken as hostage, imho even small bomb like lighter may make hole into the windows then the pressure got down, pilot got treats if copilot will not let them in to kidnap the plane bomb will be activated, copilot instead of giving plane to hands of terrorists so they can target any bigger city, decided to get down and meanwhile emptied the wings from fuel to lower the damage on the ground ... if not like that, at least good plot for movie r.i.p. at the first place anyway ...
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someone on the plane got "chaotic", stewardess cannot help, pilot wanted to calm situation down, got taken as hostage, imho even small bomb like lighter may make hole into the windows then the pressure got down, pilot got treats if copilot will not let them in to kidnap the plane bomb will be activated, copilot instead of giving plane to hands of terrorists so they can target any bigger city, decided to get down and meanwhile emptied the wings from fuel to lower the damage on the ground ... if not like that, at least good plot for movie r.i.p. at the first place anyway ...
French prosecutor: German co-pilot appears to have deliberately crashed plane - International - Jerusalem Post

French prosecutor: German co-pilot of Germanwings flight appears to have crashed plane deliberately - Business Insider

Prosecutor says French Alps plane crash 'intentional' - Al Jazeera English
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how did they get the pilot out????
Co-pilot went to the bathroom, came back found the door wouldn't open when punching in his pin, it was bolted from inside. 90% chance suicide.
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yes that is what i am talking about ... it may be intentional, by decission of copilot, because of some treats? isnt easier for copilot just to go to toilet, then when back of pilot just kick him into the back of head, instant ko, and then do whatever you want? instead of waiting when pilot will have the need to go piss?
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for now no one can say why the co pilot did it - the rest seems to be clear now

but if it was something political/religious, it makes no sense without someone taking responsibility

otherwise it's the same as someone steering his car into a bridge
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yes that is what i am talking about ... it may be intentional, by decission of copilot, because of some treats? isnt easier for copilot just to go to toilet, then when back of pilot just kick his into the back of head, instant ko, and then do whatever you want? instead of waiting when pilot will have the need to go piss?
I don't think so. I think the motherfucker just wanted to kill himself along with 149 passengers and crew members. Who said that terrorists must always be radical Muslims?
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the second blackbox have informations about fuel and so, so we will hear soon ... btw, anyone surprised, that the blackbox is orange and not black in real?
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Nope. The Saudi guys behind 9/11 did not take a responsibility for that. Survived Boston terrorist has denied everything as well. There are many more examples of terrorist acts nobody has took any responsibility for
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Hmm.. Is it a news for you? What's about Black Friday then?
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Hmm.. Is it a news for you? What's about Black Friday then?
hehe yeah i dont want those aircrash documentaries in tv and black friday dont have any color at all
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the second blackbox have informations about fuel and so, so we will hear soon ... btw, anyone surprised, that the blackbox is orange and not black in real?
I heard that another blackbox is damaged and it's impossible to read out the information from it.
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I heard that another blackbox is damaged and it's impossible to read out the information from it.
thats surprising since it has not been found yet...
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Old 03-26-2015, 06:14 AM   #49
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pretty shocking that it was deliberate. no one is safe...anywhere.
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Old 03-26-2015, 06:17 AM   #50
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How the fuck they know all this ?
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