2MuchMark

I do not personally attack you. I call you out.

And it's ok - you can keep your olive branch because it means nothing. You insult anyone and everyone when proven wrong (or for any reason whatsoever it seems), then "extend an olive branch" when you realize you're backed into a corner, or instead of apologizing for your insults, or admitting when you're wrong.

Just try to chill out a little. If someone somewhere says something that you disagree with, avoid "reflex" posting. Instead, count to 10, write your post, take your time, re-read before hitting the SUBMIT button and if its full of insults, consider a little editing.

Peace.

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dyna mo

and checkfuckingmate.

charlie g

This fucking thread is funny as shit. If cuba were to take over canada you guys would be in line kissing US ass to free you. I have lost close friends and family who were trying to "liberate" some shithole in Europe or the middle east. If I were president I would pull every soldier located on foreign soil home. If a war breaks out around the world sell arms to both sides....fuck the loser. And if some "batshit crazy" leader were to make statements that the president of Iran has made, I would level it into a smooth field of glass from 2000 miles away. You turtleneck metrosexuals should be thrilled with the population decrease.

I have paid taxes and served in the armed forces of the US. I learned a few years back that my voice does not count. So I got the fuck out and I dont say shit about what is going on there. You folks that make your living from a US customer, dont pay any taxes nor have served the US in any capacity should just shut the fuck up. Your opinion only matters to you. You criticize the US incessantly but when shit happens you EXPECT the US to "do something".

The day is coming when the world is going to have to grovel at the feet of the Chinese the way you do the US now. I highly suspect they will not be as forgiving/accommodating as you find it with the Americans now. I am sure I will be an old man, but I will still give kanada and the frogs the finger when that day comes.... I hope I am alive to enjoy it.

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crockett

So you hope the world turns to shit and you are here to see it? Is this standard thinking of you right wing lunatics? If so that would explain why you guys try so hard to turn our country to shit..much less the entire world.

dyna mo

this thread is funny. what's your view on the iran nuclear framework "agreement"?

charlie g

How would the "world turn to shit" if America wasn't the answer to everyone's problem in the world? Seems to me with the bitching, criticizing and complaining from you folks the world would be better of with the chinese police force.

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charlie g

My view is that the US should have let Israel take care of that problem years ago. It is a problem that should not be necessary at this time had we had the political will to let natural actions take care of themselves. I suspect that arms sales had much to do with where we are finding ourselves politically at this point.

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dyna mo

another interesting part of this framework is it only reduces the number of centrifuges down to where they were when BO was first elected. in other words, his accord only ends the trend that commenced under his presidency.

charlie g

and the accuracy of any of those counts is highly suspect. the genie is out of the bottle with Iran at this point. without getting china and russia engaged I dont see a happy outcome with the situation. I am at the point where we let them build what they want. Hopefully the political winds will change there as they did in Pakistan years ago and the pressure to defend will subside. I would keep as close an eye on what they are doin=g and make sure Israel doesnt fall too far behind...because like it or not, they are the US buffer.

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dyna mo

Pakistan is the table-turner. nuclear armed, well-trained militia. SA reaching out to them for an alliance. my biggest concern is the accord is an invitation for the rest of the ME to arm up. it's not just about iran, it's the medieval reaction to it by the other countries there.

charlie g

there are no easy answers. I really dislike putting so many eggs in the Israel basket but we dont have many options. SA will lose power as the world dependence on petroleum subsides, and we know that SA is not really a true friend of the west... more of a business partner.

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Either you didn't read it, or you didn't understand it. Stop speaking about it with authority already. You're just embarrassing yourself now.

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dyna mo

you're such a fucking douchebag you can't even knock it off for a split second. there's a reason i keep offering you an olive branch, and it's because you are such a fucking douchebag you're not man enough to accept it and i enjoy rubbing your nose in that.

+ you are continuing to talk out of your ass.

By the end of 2007, Iran had commenced feeding uranium hexafluoride gas into approximately 3,000 centrifuges it had installed at its site at Natanz. All were of the P-1 variety. The number of these centrifuges then rose steadily. By late 2008 Iran had installed almost 5,000 centrifuges, and by February 2012, Iran had installed over 9,000 centrifuges and was feeding gas into more than 8,000 of them. During this same period Iran made great strides in producing uranium hexafluoride at its Uranium Conversion Facility (UCF) in Isfahan.

A History of Iran's Nuclear Program | Iran Watch


Western negotiators are concerned that the total of about 19,000 centrifuges that Iran has installed at its enrichment plants at Natanz and Fordow is sufficient for producing, should it decide to do so, highly enriched uranium for nuclear weapons purposes (typically enriched to 90 percent uranium-235) in a time frame .

Agreeing on Limits for Iran?s Centrifuge Program: A Two-Stage Strategy | Arms Control Association

here, i'll do the maths for you:

18000 > 3000

dyna mo

the George W. Bush administration adopted the view that Iran should not be allowed to operate even a single centrifuge. When diplomacy failed, Iran resumed its enrichment program and has built and installed large numbers of centrifuges?the first-generation IR-1 and the second-generation IR-2m?at its Natanz facility, developed designs and prototypes for more-powerful machines, and constructed a second, deeply buried enrichment plant at Fordow. The international community imposed sanctions on Iran to pressure it to suspend its nuclear program again and to bring it back to the negotiating table.

dyna mo

acording to this, the agreement leaves iran with double the number of centrifuges they had when BO was elected:

1. Uranium enrichment: ..The growth in the number of Iranian centrifuges has been enormous, from a few thousand a few years ago to 19,000 today. Last week’s deal stated that Iran must reduce that current number by roughly two-thirds.

that leaves 6000

doing the math for those unable

6000 in 2015 > 3000 in 2008

such historic accord.

2MuchMark

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dyna mo

i'm not lolling at a BO nuclear agreement that simply undoes what BO allowed.