Tesla Saves the world - again

[2MuchMark]

Tesla’s $3,000 Powerwall Will Let Households Run Entirely On Solar Energy | TechCrunch

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by **********

Tesla?s $3,000 Powerwall Will Let Households Run Entirely On Solar Energy | TechCrunch

3K for 7kwh sounds great...I wonder how long the charge lasts...

I see lightsail as being the better storage solution because his batteries are lithium ion and they degrade with use...compressed air on the other hand lasts for ever...

cars with lightsail would be kick ass...

[dyna mo]

1. elon musk delivered a powerful keynote address introducing the powerwall.

2. powerwall is a joke, a toy for rich libtards. here's why- the solar panel array required to charge that battery would take up an entire backyard, a big fucking back yard. combine that with the cost of the powerwall AND an inverter.

it's got a long way to go and it certainly isn't going to save the world when it gets there.

[robwod]

From recent articles about this, the avg household needs 30kw/ per DAY... 10kWH... 8 hours for $3500? You'd need 3 of them, and a enormous solar panel rack to ensure you have enough power stored for a single day.

The typical household uses somewhere around 30kWH a day, says Stu Lipoff, an electronics industries consultant and IEEE fellow. So the Powerwall wouldn’t really be enough to keep your home going off-grid for long (depending on how much solar energy you’re putting in)

Source: Wired.com

Save the world? I don't think so, at least not anytime soon. Rather, it sounds to me like they have a while to go before there is a favorable cost vs. efficiency benefit for most people.

[Acepimp]

Battery packs are not the solution. Mining for the rare earth metals needed causes massive environmental destruction.

Environmental Damage

[Barry-xlovecam]

If hydrogen fuels can be produced inexpensively ... Hydrogen burns producing energy and steam (H2O) as it is oxidized. Water is then made into Hydrogen for fuel.

Hydrogen production from inexhaustible supplies of fresh and salt water using microbial reverse-electrodialysis electrolysis cells

Hydrogen can fuel electric generators.

[TheSquealer]

Hopefully liberals will shut all this shit down.. since, ... well,... you know,.... big business is just the root of all evil.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

Battery packs are not the solution. Mining for the rare earth metals needed causes massive environmental destruction.

Environmental Damage

i like this picture of a typical Lithium mine, they are some of the biggest holes on the planet

[arock10]

Charge your battery at non peak hours from grid, use battery power at peak hours

At least that's how it should work w/o solar

[dyna mo]

why does mark prince hate fish?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by arock10

Charge your battery at non peak hours from grid, use battery power at peak hours

At least that's how it should work w/o solar

i don't see how that can happen. a typical home burns through 16KwH/day. that's more than double what the power wall holds. + to recharge the batteries from fully drained would take several hours. don't forget to calculate in a 20% loss of energy due to the inverter converting 12volts to 110v.

i want this to work, and the math will eventually sort itself out but it doesn't make sense at this time due to battery technology being a joke, solar panels lack of efficiency- consequently requiring rows and rows of panels, and the cost.

[sandman!]

the tech for that idea does not exists yet.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

1. elon musk delivered a powerful keynote address introducing the powerwall.

2. powerwall is a joke, a toy for rich libtards. here's why- the solar panel array required to charge that battery would take up an entire backyard, a big fucking back yard. combine that with the cost of the powerwall AND an inverter.

it's got a long way to go and it certainly isn't going to save the world when it gets there.

I used to hate you but now I just feel sorry for you.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

I used to hate you but now I just feel sorry for you.

you don't realize my post you just quoted includes my accolade for Elon Musk.

mark prince, you are in so far over your head in trying to play on my level. i've already exposed how fake your tree-hugging, energy conservation, peace sign-off fake punk ass is. so what you should be sorry about is how big of a dumbfuck you are. but dumbfucks as big as you can't see how big of a fucking dumbfuck you are.

dumbfuck canaduhian.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by arock10

Charge your battery at non peak hours from grid, use battery power at peak hours

At least that's how it should work w/o solar

That's the idea. One of the reasons why solar is still expensive is that storing the energy is expensive. The new batteries are a lot cheaper.

From what I understand, the batteries work like this : Sunlight charges the batteries during the day, and your house switches to battery power at night. Done right, this means never having to rely on the grid, or at least, relying on the grid of much less of the time.

If you don't have solar power, then home owners can still use the battery. The battery charges at night when electricity is cheaper, and then our house drinks battery power during the day.

It seems like a great idea.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you don't realize my post you just quoted includes my accolade for Elon Musk.

mark prince, you are in so far over your head in trying to play on my level. i've already exposed how fake your tree-hugging, energy conservation, peace sign-off fake punk ass is. so what you should be sorry about is how big of a dumbfuck you are. but dumbfucks as big as you can't see how big of a fucking dumbfuck they are.

dumbfuck canaduhian.

No Dynamo. The only thing you have exposed is that you are completely happy, sitting at home in front of your computer, in your week-old underwear, scratching yourself while shitting on the rest of the world. Maybe its because people shit on you in the past, I don't know. All I can say is that you are anti-progress, anti-science, anti-clean air, anti-good. To you, the glass is half empty, as they say. Since I have known you, you have shit on everyone who has tried to make a difference, everyone on GFY, and just recently, all the black people in Baltimore.

I feel sorry for you.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

No Dynamo. The only thing you have exposed is that you are completely happy, sitting at home in front of your computer, in your week-old underwear, scratching yourself while shitting on the rest of the world. Maybe its because people shit on you in the past, I don't know. All I can say is that you are anti-progress, anti-science, anti-clean air, anti-good. To you, the glass is half empty, as they say. Since I have known you, you have shit on everyone who has tried to make a difference, everyone on GFY, and just recently, all the black people in Baltimore.

I feel sorry for you.

how many times did you practice this in the mirror?


dumbfuck canaduhian.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

That's the idea. One of the reasons why solar is still expensive is that storing the energy is expensive. The new batteries are a lot cheaper.

From what I understand, the batteries work like this : Sunlight charges the batteries during the day, and your house switches to battery power at night. Done right, this means never having to rely on the grid, or at least, relying on the grid of much less of the time.

If you don't have solar power, then home owners can still use the battery. The battery charges at night when electricity is cheaper, and then our house drinks battery power during the day.

It seems like a great idea.

exclaims the dumbfuck with actually ZERO experience with solar energy.

why don't you try engineering and running your own solar energy system before commenting.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

exclaims the dumbfuck with actually ZERO experience with solar energy.

why don't you try engineering and running your own solar energy system before commenting.

ok dynamo. go to bed.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

ok dynamo. go to bed.

my going to bed has nothing to do with the fact you have actually no experience with applying solar energy to real world living.

like the rest of your unicorns and rainbows bullshit.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

why does mark prince hate fish?

unless it's coal ash or oil then it's ok to risk our water supply..

[crockett]

As for the Telsa Battery.. it's not really made for solar systems from what I saw (keep in mind I only looked briefly at it) My understanding is it was for use as emergency back up power.. However I suspect they will eventually be used a quick charge units for electric cars..

As for solar & houses.. the problem isn't solar or battery power, but that 99% of all household appliances are inefficient and need to be redesigned to consume less power and run off 12v. Not to mention houses in general are built badly when it comes to solar usage. The wiring is all wrong and so on..

If you want off grid then it makes zero sense to convert 12v or 19v power to 110. You loose a lot of power just doing that. The appliance companies have never had to focus on making things highly efficient as energy has always been cheap.

[BFT3K]

It's nice to see some people are still betting on the horse...

[mozadek]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Hopefully liberals will shut all this shit down.. since, ... well,... you know,.... big business is just the root of all evil.

Nope, Republicans got them beat as Republicans want to tax solar panels they will be sure to also tax powerwalls. Kind of ironic how conservatives are against taxes.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by mozadek

Nope, Republicans got them beat as Republicans want to tax solar panels they will be sure to also tax powerwalls. Kind of ironic how conservatives are against taxes.

The money to run the US has to come from somewhere...

[ploychungkorat]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

The money to run the US has to come from somewhere...

DIDNT I TELL U TO SHUT YOUR FAG FUCK HOLE

10 YEARS LATER AND DONNY LONG IS STILL ON TOP KICKING YOU FAGGOTS ASSES. WHEN WILL U STUPID QUEERS EVER LEARN TO STOP KICKING YOURSELVES?

The REAL GFY Go Fuck Yourself webmaster business forum - Porn Wiki Leaks Forum

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by ploychungkorat

DIDNT I TELL U TO SHUT YOUR FAG FUCK HOLE...

Didn't I tell you you to fuck off?..

[ploychungkorat]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Didn't I tell you you to fuck off?..

and didnt i tell u god long always wins?

so stop trying to win cause you cant.

10 YEARS LATER AND DONNY LONG IS STILL ON TOP KICKING YOU FAGGOTS ASSES. WHEN WILL U STUPID QUEERS EVER LEARN TO STOP KICKING YOURSELVES?

The REAL GFY Go Fuck Yourself webmaster business forum - Porn Wiki Leaks Forum

[MiamiBoyz]

It's funny as fuck that some idiots think we are going to colonize other planets when we can't even get solar energy to work right here on earth~

Really illustrates the level of ignorance and denial humans function on most of the time!

[EddyTheDog]

Fusion is our only hope - Well your's anyway - I'm old...

[slapass]

Originally Posted by arock10

Charge your battery at non peak hours from grid, use battery power at peak hours

At least that's how it should work w/o solar

Ideallly your solar array would charge and meet current use. Then the battery gets you through the night. You would be grid free.

Now consider that we have this big grid and it is your battery. You just feed in during the day and suck out at night. The infrastructure is there. It reduces the cost of switching to solar. Win/win.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by crockett

As for the Telsa Battery.. it's not really made for solar systems from what I saw (keep in mind I only looked briefly at it) My understanding is it was for use as emergency back up power.. However I suspect they will eventually be used a quick charge units for electric cars..

As for solar & houses.. the problem isn't solar or battery power, but that 99% of all household appliances are inefficient and need to be redesigned to consume less power and run off 12v. Not to mention houses in general are built badly when it comes to solar usage. The wiring is all wrong and so on..

If you want off grid then it makes zero sense to convert 12v or 19v power to 110. You loose a lot of power just doing that. The appliance companies have never had to focus on making things highly efficient as energy has always been cheap.

Hi Crockett,

I think you've got it wrong. The Tesla battery is made to be installed in existing homes with existing wiring. The inverter and other electronics let it charge on solar and charge when electricity rates are lower, and then uses that power (at 110v and 220v) to power your appliances, saving energy and reducing your costs. No re-wiring required.

Originally Posted by mozadek

Nope, Republicans got them beat as Republicans want to tax solar panels they will be sure to also tax powerwalls. Kind of ironic how conservatives are against taxes.

Not surprised. If anyone needs a hint that that republicans suck the cocks of big oil, this is it.

[2MuchMark]

By the way there're more information the story, and why its a really big deal, at

Why Tesla?s announcement is such a big deal: The coming revolution in energy storage - The Washington Post

[ZeroHero]

Tesla is the future

[dyna mo]

so, hey, **********, when will you be walking your talk and start using solar energy?

you've got a fancy new house on the horizon with big plans for schnazzy entertainment centers and refridgerators that look like guitars. based on those upgrades, i'm sure you've budgeted in a solar energy collection system right.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

so, hey, **********, when will you be walking your talk and start using solar energy?

you've got a fancy new house on the horizon with big plans for schnazzy entertainment centers and refridgerators that look like guitars. based on those upgrades, i'm sure you've budgeted in a solar energy collection system right.

Actually...

I already have the house - just moved in about 6 weeks ago, and thanks for asking! The company that built it has a pretty decent green policy, energy efficient materials, etc etc. I monitor my energy usage on my computer and iPhone which helps me to save energy. The appliances are all modern and energy star compliant, as is the heating and cooling system (which is itself controlled by a "Nest" controller), and is smart enough to use outside cooler air to cool the house instead of the air conditioner, etc. All the lights are LED, etc etc etc, but I'll stop now because I know you don't care what I say.

I have no plans to add solar at this time because its just too expensive, and they are not efficient enough (yet). Quebec gets its electricity from renewable energy already (Hydro, Nuclear, Wind), and the price for electricity is already the cheapest the country.

Solar energy and the Tesla battery are good ideas, but they are even better ideas in places that rely on fossil fuels for electricity. It's really, really sad that you are so blind - so blind! - to good ideas like this that might just make the world a better place.

Someone must have really hurt you in the past to make you into someone so miserable. Hopefully your outlook on the future will improve soon.

I'll up the ante here a little. These batteries could also reduce the need for NUCLEAR power. Even a Hillbilly like you must now think this could be a good idea, no?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

Actually...

I already have the house - just moved in about 6 weeks ago, and thanks for asking! The company that built it has a pretty decent green policy, energy efficient materials, etc etc. I monitor my energy usage on my computer and iPhone which helps me to save energy. The appliances are all modern and energy star compliant, as is the heating and cooling system (which is itself controlled by a "Nest" controller), and is smart enough to use outside cooler air to cool the house instead of the air conditioner, etc. All the lights are LED, etc etc etc, but I'll stop now because I know you don't care what I say.

I have no plans to add solar at this time because its just too expensive, and they are not efficient enough (yet). Quebec gets its electricity from renewable energy already (Hydro, Nuclear, Wind), and the price for electricity is already the cheapest the country.

Solar energy and the Tesla battery are good ideas, but they are even better ideas in places that rely on fossil fuels for electricity. It's really, really sad that you are so blind - so blind! - to good ideas like this that might just make the world a better place.

Someone must have really hurt you in the past to make you into someone so miserable. Hopefully your outlook on the future will improve soon.

I'll up the ante here a little. These batteries could also reduce the need for NUCLEAR power. Even a Hillbilly like you must now think this could be a good idea, no?

i asked a question- are you going to be doing what you claim is saving the planet and what everyone else should be doing and your answer is no, you will not be utilizing solar power. not now and not anytime in the foreseeable future.

thanks for proofing my point you are complete hypocrite snooty misinformed/misguided bigot. while you get inefficient refrigegerators and gold HDMI cables, you expect the rest of us to get solar panels and batteries.

the closest you've gotten to solar energy is taking a selfie standing next to some solar panels, so knock it off with the hillbilly bullshit.

[Lykos]

Nikola Tesla said once to Albert Einstein ...

"You might won the present, but future is all mine ! "

It's coming true slowly !

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i asked a question- are you going to be doing what you claim is saving the planet and what everyone else should be doing and your answer is no, you will not be utilizing solar power. not now and not anytime in the foreseeable future.

thanks for proofing my point you are complete hypocrite snooty misinformed/misguided bigot. while you get inefficient refrigegerators and gold HDMI cables, you expect the rest of us to get solar panels and batteries.

the closest you've gotten to solar energy is taking a selfie standing next to some solar panels, so knock it off with the hillbilly bullshit.

Sorry, but you are a Hillbilly, and you prove it with every post you make.

Do you even know where Quebec is? I'll give you a hint - its in the North.

Solar panels, like I already said Skeeter, is not the best plan for me yet. Why? Because the cost of panels, plus the still-low light-to-electron conversion efficiency, plus the fact that we get less sunlight that the US does, is all at a greater cost in both dollars AND carbon footprint of the cost of energy here in Quebec. Again, most of the electricity here is already clean.

How can you even read anything, when you are always eyes-deep in your own bullshit?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

Sorry, but you are a Hillbilly, and you prove it with every post you make.

Do you even know where Quebec is? I'll give you a hint - its in the North.

Solar panels, like I already said Skeeter, is not the best plan for me yet. Why? Because the cost of panels, plus the still-low light-to-electron conversion efficiency, plus the fact that we get less sunlight that the US does, is all at a greater cost in both dollars AND carbon footprint of the cost of energy here in Quebec. Again, most of the electricity here is already clean.

How can you even read anything, when you are always eyes-deep in your own bullshit?

do you even know that i couldn't care less where Quebec is? I'll give you a hint- fuck no. so it doesn't matter if i know where it is. I know i take a shit in a toilet, it doesn't mean i go around thinking about my shit being in the toilet.

nevertheless, I've been to Canada 3x, once a road trip through BC up to Strathcona Provincial park to see a near-earth asteroid fly by. It's a fine country full of fine people. except you.

[dyna mo]

hey **********, i'll draw up a storage based solar collecting energy system for your new home that's cost feasible right here-

5 150 watt solar panels per person for a 1400 sq ft home. $200 each.

installation DIY $500

cables $200

solar charge controller $300

batteries 3Kw total $1500

inverter $500

total for 2 people = $5000


this system is expandable, add more batteries and panels at any time. let me know if you need brand names to follow-up and purchase because this is not cost-prohibitive.


you're welcome.

[12clicks]

the circular thinking behind this is pretty silly. the battery is able to store about 1/3 of a day's worth of energy an average home uses. A 12panel solar system (about the limit you can put on most homes) can produce about 1/6th of a days worth of power. That doesn't remotely get you off the grid (despite tesla's claims).
Advances in batteries and solar are always good, the reality of where we are and where it will take us are greatly exaggerated.

[TheSquealer]

Look 12clicks, a mentally unhinged Canadian who obsesses day and night with American politics says that Elon Musk saved the world (again). Why does it matter what the facts are? It's a feel good statement full of feel good imagery, pointing to a feel good future. If Ignorance is bliss, he's got to be the happiest person in Canada. Surely that's not a bad thing.

[dyna mo]

mark prince, quick, post that pic of you standing next to some solar panels!


hurry!

[TheSquealer]

And for the love of God, don't accidentally post pics of you doing burn outs in your shiny new camero - you know, that would make you look like a hypocrite - like all those horrible republicans you post about 24/7

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

do you even know that i couldn't care less where Quebec is?

You don't know where it is: Geography fail. You don't care where it is: You hate people from other countries.

Got it. Loud and clear.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

hey **********, i'll draw up a storage based solar collecting energy system for your new home that's cost feasible right here-

5 150 watt solar panels per person for a 1400 sq ft home. $200 each.

installation DIY $500

cables $200

solar charge controller $300

batteries 3Kw total $1500

inverter $500

total for 2 people = $5000

this system is expandable, add more batteries and panels at any time. let me know if you need brand names to follow-up and purchase because this is not cost-prohibitive.


you're welcome.

Sigh. Try reading what other people have to say, will you?

My OP is about the new Tesla battery. I like batteries, You like batteries too, right? Right.

I like Solar, you like Solar too, right? Right!

The only difference we have then, at least according to your last post, is adding solar panels and batteries to our home. Right?

Have you done this already? If so, Good for you (seriously). You might now be buying less electricity, and you are definitely polluting a little less because a lot of your electricity is "dirty" (from coal plants, etc). Good for you, seriously.

Have I done this yet? No. Why? Well first I just moved in to a new house. This is my first house. I still haven't unpacked yet.

But aside from that, my current (ha!) electric bill is only about $120 a month, and 99% of the electricity generated in Quebec (36.643 Megawatts in 2014) is clean energy (Hydro-Québec at a Glance | Who Are We? | Hydro-Québec).

If I want to use solar to go 100% clean, spending $5000 to get that 1% is not worth the money. It would make much more sense to reduce energy use instead.

If I want to use solar to go 100% "off the grid", it would not be worth it either because at current consumption and costs, it would take at least 4.16 years to break even. But even this is wrong because being in the North, the angle of the sun means less direct sunlight to what you may have, and snow would cover the panels at other times. it is also wrong because the panels you quoted will take too long to charge those batteries. You're also wrong again because my house is bigger than 1400 square feet.

And finally, as I hope you know, Technology is changing all the time. Solar panels are getting better and more efficient, and prices are dropping. I won't be buying a solar panel station "Today" nor will I be buying a Tesla batter "today. Maybe in 5 years I will, and maybe, hopefully, other people for who this technology solves a problem will buy it too.

I don't say that green is perfect for everyone. My OP was to applause Tesla's new venture into batteries. That is all.

Some states in the US are already offering cash incentives to get these batteries and go green. California I think is offering 50%. Neither Quebec nor Canada is offering this yet, excluding the $8000 credit for EV's. They obviously have some political i's to dot and t's to cross. But if they do offer an incentive program, you can bet I will be looking into it.

Ok Cleetus?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

You don't know where it is: Geography fail. You don't care where it is: You hate people from other countries.

Got it. Loud and clear.




Sigh. Try reading what other people have to say, will you?

My OP is about the new Tesla batter. I like batteries, You like batteries too, right? Right.

I like Solar, you like Solar too, right? Right!

The only difference then, is adding solar panels and batteries to our home. Right?

Have you done this already? If so, Good for you (seriously). You might now be buying less electricity, and you are definitely polluting a little less because a lot of your electricity is "dirty" (from coal plants, etc). Good for you, seriously.

Have I done this yet? No. Why? Well first I just moved in to a new house. This is my first house. I still haven't unpacked yet.

But aside from that, my current (ha!) electric bill is only about $120 a month, and 99% of the electricity (36.643 Megawatts in 2014) is clean energy.

If I want to use solar to go 100% clean, spending $5000 to get that 1% is not worth the money. It would make much more sense to reduce energy use instead.

If I want to use solar to go 100% "off the grid", it would not be worth it either because at current consumption and costs, it would take at least 4.16 years to break even. But even this is wrong because being in the North, the angle of the sun means less direct sunlight to what you may have, and snow would cover the panels at other times. it is also wrong because the panels you quoted will take too long to charge those batteries. You're also wrong again because my house is bigger than 1400 square feet.

And finally, as I hope you know, Technology is changing all the time. Solar panels are getting better and more efficient, and prices are dropping. I won't be buying a solar panel station "Today" nor will I be buying a Tesla batter "today. Maybe in 5 years I will, and maybe, hopefully, other people for who this technology solves a problem will buy it too.

I don't say that green is perfect for everyone. My OP was to applause Tesla's new venture into batteries. That is all.

Ok Cleetus?

instead of yammering on trying to make statements about me, you should be making a statement by having a solar rig on your home. I haven't seen one thread by you about wanting to do that while I have seen the ones about expensive energy sapping guitar refriderators and fancy media systems, which don't get me wrong, are fancy. but Elon Musk launched the Powerwall to make a statement, it's not a practical system for anyone but a few.

even in glorious sunny southern california a solar rig is only doing its best ~3 hours a day during ~3 months of the year. that's all. if the Sun is not perfectly perpendicular to the panels it's not performing at its' best. now add in the complete inefficiency solar collection/energy storage it's simply not practical.

but owning a solar rig is a statement. and one you should be making, not discounting because it's not a panacea for you.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

instead of yammering on trying to make statements about me, you should be making a statement by having a solar rig on your home. I haven't seen one thread by you about wanting to do that while I have seen the ones about expensive energy sapping guitar refriderators and fancy media systems, which don't get me wrong, are fancy. but Elon Musk launched the Powerwall to make a statement, it's not a practical system for anyone but a few.

even in glorious sunny southern california a solar rig is only doing its best ~3 hours a day during ~3 months of the year. that's all. if the Sun is not perfectly perpendicular to the panels it's not performing at its' best. now add in the complete inefficiency solar collection/energy storage it's simply not practical.

but owning a solar rig is a statement. and one you should be making, not discounting because it's not a panacea for you.

You know nothing.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

You know nothing.

i know you think in terms of unicorns and rainbows.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

instead of yammering on trying to make statements about me, you should be making a statement by having a solar rig on your home. I haven't seen one thread by you about wanting to do that while I have seen the ones about expensive energy sapping guitar refriderators and fancy media systems, which don't get me wrong, are fancy. but Elon Musk launched the Powerwall to make a statement, it's not a practical system for anyone but a few.

even in glorious sunny southern california a solar rig is only doing its best ~3 hours a day during ~3 months of the year. that's all. if the Sun is not perfectly perpendicular to the panels it's not performing at its' best. now add in the complete inefficiency solar collection/energy storage it's simply not practical.

but owning a solar rig is a statement. and one you should be making, not discounting because it's not a panacea for you.