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Rochard · 05-21-2015, 03:34 PM

Unemployment is down to 5.4% here in the US.

I noticed the entire Republican party suddenly went silent about how bad the economy is.

AaronM · 05-21-2015, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Unemployment is down to 5.4% here in the US.

I noticed the entire Republican party suddenly went silent about how bad the economy is.

That's what happens when people are on unemployment for so long that their benefits run out. Too bad the welfare system doesn't work the same way.

Vendzilla · 05-21-2015, 03:43 PM

Yeah, the economy is doing great

LOL

Look at it this way, during the great depression, we had soup kitchens, now we have food stamps, it's the same thing except food mart makes more money from the government

You really think things are better?

AaronM · 05-21-2015, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You really think things are better?

Yes, he probably does.

$5 submissions · 05-21-2015, 03:48 PM

Barry-xlovecam · 05-21-2015, 04:00 PM

Depends on the source ...

For the prime employable it may be 5.4%

Rochard · 05-21-2015, 04:34 PM

LOL.

I started this thread because someone posted to my Facebook feed about Gov Walker, and the unemployment rate of 4.4% in his state. Oddly enough, no one stepped up to mention the "people who have given up on finding employment" or food stamps.

So basically what you are telling me is the unemployment rate is much higher for Gov Walker, and then there is the food stamps. Okay.

Barry-xlovecam · 05-21-2015, 04:45 PM

Alternative Measures of Labor Underutilization for States

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U-1, persons unemployed 15 weeks or longer, as a percent of the civilian labor force;
U-2, job losers and persons who completed temporary jobs, as a percent of the civilian labor force;
U-3, total unemployed, as a percent of the civilian labor force (this is the definition used for the official unemployment rate);
U-4, total unemployed plus discouraged workers, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus discouraged workers;
U-5, total unemployed, plus discouraged workers, plus all other marginally attached workers, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all marginally attached workers; and
U-6, total unemployed, plus all marginally attached workers, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all marginally attached workers.

Alternative measures of labor under utilization by state, second quarter of 2014 through first quarter of 2015 averages (percent)

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State	Measure
U-1	U-2	U-3	U-4	U-5	U-6

Wisconsin
2.1	2.8	5.2	5.4	6.1	9.2

Rochard · 05-21-2015, 04:47 PM

In fact, here is the post.

So obviously the unemployment rate there is completely inaccurate and doesn't include all of the people who have given up looking for work, right?

Barry-xlovecam · 05-21-2015, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

In fact, here is the post.

So obviously the unemployment rate there is completely inaccurate and doesn't include all of the people who have given up looking for work, right?

U-3, total unemployed, as a percent of the civilian labor force (this is the definition used for the official unemployment rate);

It's probably accurate U-3. the figures I quoted where averaged over the time term shown. It depends on what you count.

IMHO, it's meaningless fluff

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Wisconsin private-sector job growth lags national average

Updated: Thu 2:51 PM, Mar 19, 2015
By: AP Email
MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- Wisconsin's private-sector job growth is half the national average, ranking 40th in the most recent 12-month reporting period.

The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported Thursday that private sector jobs grew 1.16 percent in Wisconsin for the 12-month period from September 2013 through September 2014. The national growth rate was twice as high at 2.3 percent.

Wisconsin has been behind the national average since July 2011.

The state ranked 38th in job creation when both private and government jobs are counted.

The report is based on a survey of nearly every employer and is considered the most accurate measure of job growth.

Less reliable monthly data also released Thursday shows Wisconsin's unemployment rate dropped to 4.8 percent in February. That is the lowest since July 2008.

Axeman · 05-21-2015, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

In fact, here is the post.

So obviously the unemployment rate there is completely inaccurate and doesn't include all of the people who have given up looking for work, right?

In that case its apples to apples, but hard to compare a state vs country. So Walkers is 1% lower on the same metrics. However you can't compare state vs federal imo. I'd be curious to see the historical Wisconsin numbers.

But yes, both Wisconsin's and the Federal real unemployed numbers are much higher.

crockett · 05-21-2015, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

In fact, here is the post.

So obviously the unemployment rate there is completely inaccurate and doesn't include all of the people who have given up looking for work, right?

dats diffrant!

kane · 05-21-2015, 08:07 PM

I saw this story today.

Many Jobless (Still) Giving Up Looking For Work - NBC News

40% of the roughly of those without a job have completely given up looking for a job. That's not good.

baddog · 05-21-2015, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Unemployment is down to 5.4% here in the US.

I noticed the entire Republican party suddenly went silent about how bad the economy is.

The sad thing is you probably believe that.

RyuLion · 05-21-2015, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

The sad thing is you probably believe that.

TampaToker · 05-22-2015, 02:10 AM

I gotta laugh at these types of threads. The right will say the the numbers are flawed and the unemployment rate is much higher and people quit looking for jobs. Then you get on the subject of of welfare and the right will say most are freeloaders who receive assistance from the government. Its kinda comical but sad at the dame time.

mineistaken · 05-22-2015, 04:11 AM

so unemployment is down, but food stamps more than doubled?
What does it say - that demtards are mismanaging something A LOT? Less unemployed - more food stamps and not by a little, double!

I told you that demtards is welfare leeching encouraging party.
Like any leftard party.

_Richard_ · 05-22-2015, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

so unemployment is down, but food stamps more than doubled?
What does it say - that demtards are mismanaging something A LOT? Less unemployed - more food stamps and not by a little, double!

I told you that demtards is welfare leeching encouraging party.
Like any leftard party.

that's a nice shiny opinion you have

Blue state, red face: Guess who benefits more from your taxes?

probably should give this a good read before yous tart blaming 'demtards' for social spending use

not that it matters, as historically most cities are liberal leaning, while rural areas are conservative leaning, and this is what social spending is for.

PornDiscounts-V · 05-22-2015, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

so unemployment is down, but food stamps more than doubled?
What does it say - that demtards are mismanaging something A LOT? Less unemployed - more food stamps and not by a little, double!

I told you that demtards is welfare leeching encouraging party.
Like any leftard party.

And if Mitt Romney was in the whitehouse you'd be on welfare because he would have killed the porn industry.

PornDiscounts-V · 05-22-2015, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

that's a nice shiny opinion you have

Blue state, red face: Guess who benefits more from your taxes?

probably should give this a good read before yous tart blaming 'demtards' for social spending use

not that it matters, as historically most cities are liberal leaning, while rural areas are conservative leaning, and this is what social spending is for.

Nobody wants to talk about the moonshine guys from Mississippi. White folk on welfare for generations.

Rochard · 05-22-2015, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

I gotta laugh at these types of threads. The right will say the the numbers are flawed and the unemployment rate is much higher and people quit looking for jobs. Then you get on the subject of of welfare and the right will say most are freeloaders who receive assistance from the government. Its kinda comical but sad at the dame time.

I believe the unemployment rate is the method we have always used to gauge unemployment since before I was a child. Everything else is just noise.

It's pretty freaking obvious our economy is much better than it was six years ago.

crockett · 05-22-2015, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

so unemployment is down, but food stamps more than doubled?
What does it say - that demtards are mismanaging something A LOT? Less unemployed - more food stamps and not by a little, double!

I told you that demtards is welfare leeching encouraging party.
Like any leftard party.

Yes lets look at the Democrat mismanagement.. 6 out of the top 10 states which use the most food stamps are Republican run states. In other words shut your dumb pie hole because you know nothing of what you think you know. Stick to Canada's politics...

States with the most people on food stamps

Louisiana. ... Governor Republican
Tennessee. ... Governor Republican
Oregon. ... Governor Democrat
West Virginia. ... Governor Democrat
New Mexico. ... Governor Republican
Mississippi. ... Governor Republican
Florida .... Governor Republican
Georgia .... Governor Democrat
Alabama ... Governor Republican
Kentucky .... Governor Democrat

The simple fact is state by state Republican run states tend to use more food stamps and also require more state level subsidies. Why is that? Because Republican run states tend to keep wages down, which means people can't afford to live and in return the states collect less taxes and have to be bailed out by the federal govt. (ie leeches whom can't pay their own way)

Republicans are the biggest leeches in this country. Can't wait for all the denial posts..

_Richard_ · 05-22-2015, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by vvvvv

Nobody wants to talk about the moonshine guys from Mississippi. White folk on welfare for generations.

snort. and since i believe african american/islanders make up something like 8% of the US population........

crockett · 05-22-2015, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

snort. and since i believe african american/islanders make up something like 8% of the US population........

Also notice as my post above shows none of the states with the big shitty inner city populations are in the top 10 of the using the most food stamps. Meaning while yes big cities are problems, the state's still do better than those listed above..

SuckOnThis · 05-22-2015, 07:39 AM

Odd, just in the past 3 years my net worth has increased by over 500k with my real estate investments. Real estate doesnt go up in shitty economies.

SuckOnThis · 05-22-2015, 07:41 AM

crockett · 05-22-2015, 07:45 AM

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I guess this is appropriate then right?

One thing we can be 100% certain of.. They will keep quiet on the economy, but much like the 7 year itch they will start making a big deal about immigration & border security. Every election it's like clock work, suddenly there is fake outrage from the right about illegal immigrants and boarder security, then after the elections are over they suddenly forget to be outraged..

mineistaken · 05-22-2015, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

that's a nice shiny opinion you have

Blue state, red face: Guess who benefits more from your taxes?

probably should give this a good read before yous tart blaming 'demtards' for social spending use

not that it matters, as historically most cities are liberal leaning, while rural areas are conservative leaning, and this is what social spending is for.

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Originally Posted by crockett

Yes lets look at the Democrat mismanagement.. 6 out of the top 10 states which use the most food stamps are Republican run states. In other words shut your dumb pie hole because you know nothing of what you think you know. Stick to Canada's politics...

States with the most people on food stamps

Louisiana. ... Governor Republican
Tennessee. ... Governor Republican
Oregon. ... Governor Democrat
West Virginia. ... Governor Democrat
New Mexico. ... Governor Republican
Mississippi. ... Governor Republican
Florida .... Governor Republican
Georgia .... Governor Democrat
Alabama ... Governor Republican
Kentucky .... Governor Democrat

The simple fact is state by state Republican run states tend to use more food stamps and also require more state level subsidies. Why is that? Because Republican run states tend to keep wages down, which means people can't afford to live and in return the states collect less taxes and have to be bailed out by the federal govt. (ie leeches whom can't pay their own way)

Republicans are the biggest leeches in this country. Can't wait for all the denial posts..

Nice misdirection tactics

Lets me repeat my point which has nothing to do with states:

Democrats are happy that unemployment is down. Ok, that sounds good. But at the same time - food stamps more than doubled! Not so good?
To put what I am saying vividly with random numbers:
At first:
100.000 people, 7.000 unemployed, 15.000 on food stamps.
Decreasing unemployment range:
100.000 people, 5.200 unemployed, 32.000 on food stamps.

How is that a good thing? And how do you manage that?

Again, numbers are just random, to illustrate that it is very strange to have less unemployed, yet double the food stamps!
If you brag about one thing, brag about another

Of course you can twist it this way - democrats made all those jobs happen, but republicans in the states forced lower wages.

So yeah, democrats did good, but republicans ruined that. Typical GFY demoract fanboy rhetoric

But again - keep in mind that for that to happen not only ALL those extra jobs must be at food stamp level, but also many more "old" jobs should turn into food stamp jobs for food stamp numbers to increase more than double...

Could republicans destroy wages that much? YES THEY CAN! At least what crocket would say

crockett · 05-22-2015, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Nice misdirection tactics

Lets me repeat my point which has nothing to do with states:

Democrats are happy that unemployment is down. Ok, that sounds good. But at the same time - food stamps more than doubled! Not so good?
To put what I am saying vividly with random numbers:
At first:
100.000 people, 7.000 unemployed, 15.000 on food stamps.
Decreasing unemployment range:
100.000 people, 5.200 unemployed, 32.000 on food stamps.

How is that a good thing? And how do you manage that?

Again, numbers are just random, to illustrate that it is very strange to have less unemployed, yet double the food stamps!
If you brag about one thing, brag about another

Of course you can twist it this way - democrats made all those jobs happen, but republicans in the states forced lower wages.

So yeah, democrats did good, but republicans ruined that. Typical GFY demoract fanboy rhetoric

But again - keep in mind that for that to happen not only ALL those extra jobs must be at food stamp level, but also many more "old" jobs should turn into food stamp jobs for food stamp numbers to increase more than double...

Could republicans destroy wages that much? YES THEY CAN! At least what crocket would say

If you do any reading at all, you will see that the reason Snap has doubled, goes back to 2007. With the financial melt down & housing market crash, the program was made easier to get assistance.

What you fail to notice in your little graph is the increase happened at the time of the depression. ie from 2007 to 2011 it shot up significantly as it rightfully should have. People were out of work and assistance was easier to get via snap and the assistance was needed.

Notice that from 2012 to 2013 there was very little rise? Yea that's because the economy was starting to take off.. Coming into 2014 the snaps will likely level off or go down and it will continue to go back down into 2015 and beyond as long as the economy keeps as it is..

As usual you just try to cherry pick something to support your agenda, but don't look at the full facts..

Notice when you start looking for 2014 info, suddenly there is a different picture painted? Why is it your graph conventionally left out 2014 spending?

SNAP Spending and Caseloads Falling | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

In 2014 the first 6 months spending on Snaps fell by 7-8% and also there were 7% less people on it compared to the first 6 months in 2013.

Of course this doesn't fit your agenda..

SykkBoy · 05-22-2015, 10:43 AM

People can still be employed and eligible for foodstamps, it depends on their income level. Those who are making minimum wage are income eligible for foodstamps in most states.

baddog · 05-22-2015, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

In fact, here is the post.

So obviously the unemployment rate there is completely inaccurate and doesn't include all of the people who have given up looking for work, right?

Well, if they took the time to make a meme; I take it back.

kane · 05-22-2015, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Nice misdirection tactics

Lets me repeat my point which has nothing to do with states:

Democrats are happy that unemployment is down. Ok, that sounds good. But at the same time - food stamps more than doubled! Not so good?
To put what I am saying vividly with random numbers:
At first:
100.000 people, 7.000 unemployed, 15.000 on food stamps.
Decreasing unemployment range:
100.000 people, 5.200 unemployed, 32.000 on food stamps.

How is that a good thing? And how do you manage that?

Again, numbers are just random, to illustrate that it is very strange to have less unemployed, yet double the food stamps!
If you brag about one thing, brag about another

Of course you can twist it this way - democrats made all those jobs happen, but republicans in the states forced lower wages.

So yeah, democrats did good, but republicans ruined that. Typical GFY demoract fanboy rhetoric

But again - keep in mind that for that to happen not only ALL those extra jobs must be at food stamp level, but also many more "old" jobs should turn into food stamp jobs for food stamp numbers to increase more than double...

Could republicans destroy wages that much? YES THEY CAN! At least what crocket would say

How would a republican president have changed this? It isn't that people aren't working. Many more people are working now than when Obama took office. The problem is that the jobs that have been created since the recession are mostly low paying service and retail jobs so those who are working are also collecting food stamps.

To me this is a result over 30+ years of bad trade policies and bad tax policies from both parties. When the economy started to rebound many of the manufacturing companies that were in the US and closed reopened overseas.

How would any president, regardless of party force these company to open back up in the US and pay a decent wage?

Rochard · 05-22-2015, 02:37 PM

The unemployment rate is the unemployment rate.

We've calculated the unemployment rate the same way since Baddog was young lad. The unemployment rate has nothing to do with food stamps, net worth, incomes, part time jobs, or people no longer looking for work. This is not open to discussion or negotiation; The unemployment rate is the way we gauge unemployment. It's the way we have always gauged unemployment.

When Gov Walker said the unemployment rate in Wisconsin is 4.4%, I didn't say "but food stamps are up" or "income is down" or "we need to use a different formula". The unemployment rate is 4.4% in Wisconsin, period. I don't care who is in office in Wisconsin, be it Democrat or Republican; The unemployment rate is calculated by the federal government - Not Walker, not Obama, not the Republican party, and not the Democratic party.

The economy is obviously doing better.

SuckOnThis · 05-22-2015, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

The unemployment rate is the unemployment rate.

We've calculated the unemployment rate the same way since Baddog was young lad. The unemployment rate has nothing to do with food stamps, net worth, incomes, part time jobs, or people no longer looking for work. This is not open to discussion or negotiation; The unemployment rate is the way we gauge unemployment. It's the way we have always gauged unemployment.

When Gov Walker said the unemployment rate in Wisconsin is 4.4%, I didn't say "but food stamps are up" or "income is down" or "we need to use a different formula". The unemployment rate is 4.4% in Wisconsin, period. I don't care who is in office in Wisconsin, be it Democrat or Republican; The unemployment rate is calculated by the federal government - Not Walker, not Obama, not the Republican party, and not the Democratic party.

The economy is obviously doing better.

But but but.....

directfiesta · 05-22-2015, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

But but but.....

... but so true!

what inquiry are they at ? 7th ? 8th ?

GregE · 05-22-2015, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

so unemployment is down, but food stamps more than doubled?
What does it say - that demtards are mismanaging something A LOT? Less unemployed - more food stamps and not by a little, double!

I told you that demtards is welfare leeching encouraging party.
Like any leftard party.

This is what happens when you "replace" real jobs with shit jobs. Food stamp eligibility is based on income not employment status.

This ain't exactly rocket science.

05-21-2015, 03:34 PM	#1
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 72,785	US Unemployment is 5.4% Unemployment is down to 5.4% here in the US. I noticed the entire Republican party suddenly went silent about how bad the economy is. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

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Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,201	Yeah, the economy is doing great LOL Look at it this way, during the great depression, we had soup kitchens, now we have food stamps, it's the same thing except food mart makes more money from the government You really think things are better? __________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that

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Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 72,785	LOL. I started this thread because someone posted to my Facebook feed about Gov Walker, and the unemployment rate of 4.4% in his state. Oddly enough, no one stepped up to mention the "people who have given up on finding employment" or food stamps. So basically what you are telling me is the unemployment rate is much higher for Gov Walker, and then there is the food stamps. Okay. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

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Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 72,785	In fact, here is the post. So obviously the unemployment rate there is completely inaccurate and doesn't include all of the people who have given up looking for work, right? __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

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Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Depends on the source ... For the prime employable it may be 5.4%

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kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	I saw this story today. Many Jobless (Still) Giving Up Looking For Work - NBC News 40% of the roughly of those without a job have completely given up looking for a job. That's not good.

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TampaToker Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tampa Posts: 5,827	I gotta laugh at these types of threads. The right will say the the numbers are flawed and the unemployment rate is much higher and people quit looking for jobs. Then you get on the subject of of welfare and the right will say most are freeloaders who receive assistance from the government. Its kinda comical but sad at the dame time. __________________ Icq 247-742-205

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mineistaken See signature :) Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ICQ 363 097 773 Posts: 29,656	so unemployment is down, but food stamps more than doubled? What does it say - that demtards are mismanaging something A LOT? Less unemployed - more food stamps and not by a little, double! I told you that demtards is welfare leeching encouraging party. Like any leftard party.

05-22-2015, 07:39 AM	#25
SuckOnThis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In my head Posts: 6,844	Odd, just in the past 3 years my net worth has increased by over 500k with my real estate investments. Real estate doesnt go up in shitty economies.

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SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	People can still be employed and eligible for foodstamps, it depends on their income level. Those who are making minimum wage are income eligible for foodstamps in most states. __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

05-22-2015, 02:37 PM	#33
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 72,785	The unemployment rate is the unemployment rate. We've calculated the unemployment rate the same way since Baddog was young lad. The unemployment rate has nothing to do with food stamps, net worth, incomes, part time jobs, or people no longer looking for work. This is not open to discussion or negotiation; The unemployment rate is the way we gauge unemployment. It's the way we have always gauged unemployment. When Gov Walker said the unemployment rate in Wisconsin is 4.4%, I didn't say "but food stamps are up" or "income is down" or "we need to use a different formula". The unemployment rate is 4.4% in Wisconsin, period. I don't care who is in office in Wisconsin, be it Democrat or Republican; The unemployment rate is calculated by the federal government - Not Walker, not Obama, not the Republican party, and not the Democratic party. The economy is obviously doing better. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION