XSAXS

Couple of weeks ago I decided to test the new CamBuilder.com Whitelabels. Setup was fine, the sites looked good, and I started sending through a trickle of traffic. Made a few sales. All was going fine.

And then I received this email:


tl;dr -- If I want to get paid, I have to transfer complete ownership of my domains to Cambuilder or jump down to a much less attractive payout program.

What in the fucking fuck!?

This bullshit is definitively NOT covered in their TOS or FAQ. It is never made clear until after the affiliate has jumped through all the hurdles to setup the WLs and has started making sales.

Beware.

TheSquealer

It's required for credit card processing and a practice that is supposed to be followed by al as per the requirements of Visa and MC. Welcome to the interwebs

XSAXS

Incorrect. Domain contacts? Yes. Actual ownership of the domain? No.

If you were correct, then they'd have to abide by that rule for ALL their payout programs. Revshare wouldn't be exempt.

TheSquealer

You're right. Visa and MC really just want people to play games to mask domain ownership. They are really dumb like that.

nm_

sucks, this should have been explained to you before the domain was even approved as aWL. the only program eligible w/o transferring ownership is revshare unfortunately ;[

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NEVER transfer your domain name to anyone else. Try to think long-term. One day your business may become successful and you may want to sell it. If you don't own your domain name, and if you don't own your data, or customers, or content, you won't have much to sell.

If you want to sign up with a program and you see that transferring your domain to them, even for a short term is a requirement, don't do it.

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XSAXS

Just shut the fuck up, you diseased twat.

As I said earlier...
if you were correct...
if it truly was a requirement laid out by V and MC...
Then the rule would ALSO apply to the Revshare payout model!

What a fucking idiot. Fuck.

The truth is, CamBuilder seems to be making up the rules as they go. They promise all these great new programs and then fuck you over if do anything other than Revshare.

There's no fucking WAY I would surrender my domains to them, and I hope this thread will help other webmasters avoid such a mistake.

TheSquealer

I know quite well what the rules were when I had a few high risk merchant accounts and was processing cams. If you're not an IPSP, you have to own the domains, you can't process for others for domains you don't own. The extent to which others follow the rules to the letter, is on them. People not following the rules to the letter or picking and choosing how they will comply, doesn't mean the rules don't exist.

Calling me names because you are naive and angry with someone else, doesn't make you any more correct.... or any less foolish

Honest-trafficker

This is Bulshit! They think people are stupid. Domain name ownership is the most important thing.

XSAXS

Pretty much my thoughts exactly. If something goes wrong with the sponsor in a few years -- or a few weeks -- the domain is gone forever.

Pure bullshit.

Panty Snatcher

I asked for additional info


You need to fully transfer the domain. When you promote a program such as Per Join or Per Spender, or a combination of those and revshare, the payments you receive are an advance of spending that takes 6-14 months to mature.

If we do not fully own the domain then you could promote us for one month and receive advance funds then move the domain away from us. Most of the advance payments we paid you in that situation would be a complete loss for Cambuilder.

cambuilder.com Support
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XSAXS

Fine. Sounds reasonable. But all of that should be disclosed BEFORE the affiliate signs up, sends traffic, and begins making sales.

To wait until after sales are made is sleazy as hell. Because at that point the affiliate has to decide... do I want to surrender my domain(s) or do I want to get paid.

xXXtesy10

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adultchatpay

I won't even do that. That's out of this world.

AdultKing

You'd probably get a lot further in life if you didn't attack everyone who was trying to provide you with useful information relevant to the post you made.

Matyko

+1 no worries they are good people. I just had to set a few things in my whois info, did not have to hand over the site. I am on 30% revshare though, and would Happily hand over my domain to have a significant bump in the payment structure!!!

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Correct.

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Mr Pheer

I had setup a whitelabel there as well, and then they hit me with that transfer my domain to them bullshit. Not happening. That domain is 12 years old, I'm not transferring it to anyone.

robwod

I'm assuming this has everything to do with PPS and PPL only? I always do revshare on cams as it's simply more lucrative long term (for us). And the only thing they needed was just what Streamate always requires, a change in the public whois info, not actual transfer ownership of domain.

Interesting though if they require full ownership -- as in actual transfer of ownership for PPS.

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Andreweb

I switched one of my domains to revshare and I kept the domain to me ! Problem solved and 35% revshare is pretty good !

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XSAXS

Yeah PPS and PPS Hybrids only... Cambuilder has all these killer new payout schemes (e.g. $75pps + 30% Lifetime Rev). Sounded a little too good to be true, but it's Streamate -- so I figured it must be legit. WRONG!

They never disclosed that I would be required to GIVE THEM MY DOMAINS -- before I could be paid -- until AFTER I already started sending them sales.

I've been around for a long time. I've worked with dozens of sponsors and WLs, and I've never heard of any program requiring that you surrender your domains to them.

I don't know why, but I'm stunned that more people on this board aren't outraged by this sort of bald-faced thievery. ...comfortably numb, I guess.

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Bladewire

I don't know all the facts but if what you say is true then:

1) Their business model is not sustainable

2) They are acting out of fear by taking domains permanently, instead of doing a 6 month lease for new affiliates (or SOMETHING TEMPORARY).

3) To get new business they purposely don't fully disclose their intentions to take your domain.

I don't care if you live in Russia China Thailand Vietnam or anywhere the fuck else. If you enter an agreement with a company they should abide by that no matter where you are and no matter where they are.

Anyone who brings traffic has value. This Mickey Mouse bullshit depending on where someone lives, and what you can get away with, is old school fucked bulshit.

Bladewire

What agreement do you sign and what exactly do you have to change?

I really like the look and feel of what these guys are doing. Their site looks great and their business model looks great, but the only negative they have against them is not fully disclosing to affiliates what exactly is expected, and that is not ok, if that is in fact true.

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Diomed

Any word if that stands for just PPS too?

I'm guessing so.. Regardless, the payout structure is interesting.. But I've never liked stream mate as a main sponsor.. Only as a backup.

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pimpmaster9000

this is normal for SM ppc it has been this way for white labels for years...if you do not want to transfer your domain then go and revshare...if you know how to promote you will get more money out of revshare anyway...

so many people in this thread that pretend like they do not understand the reason why...go promote bonga cams or something and good luck with that LOL...it is clearly stated when you set up your WL that you need to transfer the domain if you do not want revshare...I guess some are too lazy to read...

SM white labels fucking rule

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ruff

Streamate and Cambuilder are the best on the market in my opinion. You read the terms and conditions and act accordingly. This is how they do business, upfront and transparent. They have never ripped a domain. Go revshare or go elsewhere, what does pissing and moaning get you? Like any good quality company, they are trying to increase their business and provide an opportunity for affiliates to make long term money for both. They are not throwing up roadblocks to decrease their business or lower their income or steal your precious domain. Get real.

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So for the people saying they are "good peepz" are you going to personally guarantee that they will never steal anyone's domain and will you be willing to cover everyone's risk? Are you willing to sign a contract saying you will guarantee no one will have issues and pay out at your expense? No?! Gee then I guess your words are about as good as anyone who pulled the same "good peepz" shit with epassporte or one of the hundreds of others of sponsors or services in adult who has fucked people. Funny how that works.

The other issue with this is if you allow it then all your sponsors might start pulling this bullshit. That will be fun. Instead of it being them just not paying you they will steal your domain too after you build it up for three years. Sounds like a lot of fun!

Because sponsors in adult have such a great record of being trustworthy and all, right?

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ruff

You are way off base here. The company talked about is Streamate, a very reputable company. Any company confiscating a domain is going to lose their affiliates. The domain issue is only about a choice of payouts. No one is forced to do anything. Besides, it is generally accepted that the best payout in cams is revshare. If a company wanted you to sign over your domain for all options, no one would do it, would they?

There are plenty of alternative cam companies out there to do business with. I doubt all or even any sponsors would choose to require ownership of a domain if they did not have too. Most domains are worthless without a good webmaster behind them. There are plenty of thieves in adult guaranteed. A lot right here on this board. They're the ones most don't know about, but some of us do. Crying about it doesn't do shit. Predicting it's going to happen doesn't do shit either. This is just some more crapola designed to put another good company in the barrel and on the defensive. Fucking chicken little shit.

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Va2k

WOW I now have heard it all! NEVER EVER EVER give someone your domain name! If they want to be like that, move on find someone else. Simple as that. I can understand if they would want you to list them under your contacts but to transfer owner ship of your domain name to them?

Dude I got a bridge for sell name golden gate, if you or anyone does anything like what they are asking, you deserve what ever fallout happens. Sorry but you don't see mainstream sites or other big adult websites doing this? Screw them.

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signupdamnit

^ Based on the above it has nothing to do with processing compliance or regulations. It's them wanting to lock you in and limit their risks from PPL/PPS programs. That seems to be why they aren't doing it for revshare.

So if you promote them for one month get a couple sales, get paid, but decide to pull them because others perform better....what are they going to do? Keep your domain? How long are you locked in for? A year? Two years? Forever?

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XSAXS

We're based in Las Vegas, USA. So this seems to be a global policy.

XSAXS

Wow. You must have really crappy domains -- or at the very least you have a different idea of how you value your domains.

XSAXS

Diomed, they said that if I want to keep the domain, plain Revshare is my ONLY option. If I want ANY of the other payout programs I must surrender the domain.

Which is a terrible business practice IMO. But at least it would have been fair -- if they would have disclosed it BEFORE I signed up and sent them sales.

XSAXS

This statement is 100% false. The DID say that some whois adjustments were necessary, but they NEVER said I would have to surrender the domain.

cybermike

stick with the revshare... 35% is crazy good.. I wish they would bump the old whitelabels from 30%

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Panty Snatcher

THis is correct
and I did this much back then

nbhead

I see that they DO say it before you create a white label website, see https:// cambuilder com/help/faq#collapse23 (sorry, cannot post live links yet)

I am new in the adult business, but in the online hotel affiliate business, which also is processed by all major credit card companies, there is never any need to transfer ownership of your domain.

So I doubt it has anything to do with credit card companies requirements, or perhaps this is only valid for the adult industry, but this does not make much sense.

In the end, all that an affiliate really owns in the domain name, so if you have to give away your domain name to be an affiliate, well, then you literally don't own anything anymore, zero.

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PAR

I've done Private Label and White Label deals in the past were there had to be a signed agreement that there be X Months notice if the domain was to be used for something else.

To give/get the highest possible payout the risk of having a site pointed else where over night is an issue. Not sure why they are asking you to hand the domain over rather than just sign an agreement. Personally I'd want a signed agreement with regards to how long they will be holding the domain should they want that level of control of the domain etc.

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Did I? You are the dipshit that bumped a 4 month old thread. Are you upset because the 100 unique hits you sent your cambuilder whitelabel didn't generate a sale?

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2MuchMark

Your domain name is one of your most valuable assets, or at least it can be.

Consider this: If you are going to get into the adult arena or expand on what you have, your domain is the target of all of your hard work. You build it, you drive traffic to it. It is what your customers trust when spending time and money on it.

Never, never, NEVER, transfer ownership of your domain to any 3rd party just so you can use their program. If their service or software is powering your site and they want ownership of your domain, negotiate with them to keep it both, or find another service provider to partner with.

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