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Robbie · 07-21-2015, 08:08 AM

And of course the hypocrisy of the Des Moines Register.
Here is a news story about illegal immigrants from that same paper back in Feb.
The headline? "Should be no tolerance for illegal immigration"
Should be no tolerance for illegal immigration

And of course in 2007 the Des Moines Register ENDORSED John McCain for President for the 2008 election.
So the "outsider" who isn't pre-approved by them attacks a guy that they endorsed in the 2008 election.

This isn't reporting the news. This is trying to MAKE the news.
And it's nothing but fucking guys in an office at a newspaper. They don't have any special insights into anything. They aren't the best educated. They have ZERO experience in the world.

But these group of guys in a newspaper room feel elite enough to tell US who we can and can't vote for.

Unreal...

dyna mo · 07-21-2015, 08:10 AM

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And there you have it. The MEDIA telling a candidate for President to NOT run. Thus taking away the people's choice if the candidate actually obeyed them.

I rest my case.

it's really even worse than that, by calling on trump to drop out, they are really telling the public this guy isn't fit to run for president by denigrating him and his candidacy. it's outrageous.

Joshua G · 07-21-2015, 10:11 AM

robbie you should stop worrying about the medias influence. they really have very limited influence on public opinion. i mean, how does trump insult hispanics & the media saturates coverage of it & his poll numbers surge to the top of the polls. how did george bush win re-election after Iraq totally melted down in 2003-4?

i am soooo looking forward to debates. each passing week i feel stronger the next president will be republican, because the total domination of hillary on her side is giving ZERO airtime to democratic points of view in the news. there will be no democrat debates. & hilary is such garbage as a campaigner, the dems so weak & feckless to have nobody of substance to challenge her (like warren) the dems are going to hand the country back to the repubs cause they run things that bad.

dyna mo · 07-21-2015, 10:22 AM

while i am looking forward to any debate that includes Trump, THE debate i'm really looking forward to will be the Clinton - Sanders - Webb debate. i fully expect that to be quite revealing.

Axeman · 07-21-2015, 11:09 AM

I love Trump for ruffling the feathers of all the establishment RINO's out there.

Today he set up hotline and email for vets to call and provide stories and fixes they'd like to see done for the VA.

Lindsay Graham said this yesterday "“Run for president, but stop being the world’s biggest jackass,” the South Carolina senator told “CBS This Morning.”

So Trump at his rally responded by saying Graham was a stiff who could never get a job in the private sector, and "Trump then told a story about Graham calling him 4 years ago for a campaign endorsement and contribution. Trump claimed he went back through his phone records and found Graham’s private cell phone number. He showed the audience the number, written down on a yellow post-it note, and read the number aloud, encouraging everyone “let’s try it.”"

crockett · 07-21-2015, 11:11 AM

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robbie you should stop worrying about the medias influence. they really have very limited influence on public opinion. i mean, how does trump insult hispanics & the media saturates coverage of it & his poll numbers surge to the top of the polls. how did george bush win re-election after Iraq totally melted down in 2003-4?

i am soooo looking forward to debates. each passing week i feel stronger the next president will be republican, because the total domination of hillary on her side is giving ZERO airtime to democratic points of view in the news. there will be no democrat debates. & hilary is such garbage as a campaigner, the dems so weak & feckless to have nobody of substance to challenge her (like warren) the dems are going to hand the country back to the repubs cause they run things that bad.

I think those whom assume Clinton will win the nomination are just like people whom assume Jeb Bush will win it..

sanders is gaining a lot of momentum on Hillary and he's still relatively unknown to a large number of people in this country. I suspect when he debates Hillary, he will gain much, much more traction..

If Sanders could manage to convince Waren to be his running mate, I'm pretty sure that would secure him the nomination over Hillary..

If it came down to Sanders vs Trump.. Sanders will eat him up with Trump looking like an idiot whom just calls people names.. Trump can't make intelligent debate on the issues because he's a clown whom surounds himself with yes men. This will become extremely aparent during the GOP debates..

Meanwhile Sanders sticks to the issues and is probably the biggest supporter of the middle class this country has seen in a presidential candidate in a very long time. His message will go over well with the masses..

dyna mo · 07-21-2015, 11:26 AM

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I think those whom assume Clinton will win the nomination are just like people whom assume Jeb Bush will win it..

sanders is gaining a lot of momentum on Hillary and he's still relatively unknown to a large number of people in this country. I suspect when he debates Hillary, he will gain much, much more traction..

If Sanders could manage to convince Waren to be his running mate, I'm pretty sure that would secure him the nomination over Hillary..

If it came down to Sanders vs Trump.. Sanders will eat him up with Trump looking like an idiot whom just calls people names.. Trump can't make intelligent debate on the issues because he's a clown whom surounds himself with yes men. This will become extremely aparent during the GOP debates..

Meanwhile Sanders sticks to the issues and is probably the biggest supporter of the middle class this country has seen in a presidential candidate in a very long time. His message will go over well with the masses..

do we have any examples of Trump debating? i can't find any. i can understand assuming he'd bloviate, it's also an assumption. not saying he'd come out and be a master debater, nevertheless.

crockett · 07-21-2015, 11:34 AM

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do we have any examples of Trump debating? i can't find any. i can understand assuming he'd bloviate, it's also an assumption. not saying he'd come out and be a master debater, nevertheless.

It's just in his nature. He's lived his live doing what he wanted because he's had all the money to back him. Regardless of what he thinks, being the president requires a lot of concessions and excepting that your word isn't the final say..

I don't think Trump has even had to deal with that in his life, he has lived in his own little bubble as the king of his own Empire. I'm pretty certain he will just trying to make the debates a popularity contest by saying funny stuff or harsh stuff while not sticking to the issues.

This might work on people whom want to be entertained, but not on people whom care about the job he would do as president.

Then again who knows, maybe he will be great.. I'm just not counting on it, given his current antics.

Robbie · 07-21-2015, 11:38 AM

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I think those whom assume Clinton will win the nomination are just like people whom assume Jeb Bush will win it..\

If it came down to Sanders vs Trump.. Sanders will eat him up with Trump looking like an idiot whom just calls people names.. Trump can't make intelligent debate on the issues because he's a clown whom surounds himself with yes men. This will become extremely aparent during the GOP debates..

I think that Sanders will not have a chance for the same reason that the media is trying to shut down Trump.
Sanders is an Independent running as a Democrat. He is not part of the party structure and much like Trump...doesn't obey them like a dog.

Hillary and Bush ARE the party structure for the Dems and Republicans.

As for Trump's debate skills, I don't think that any of us know. I think the Republican candidates are scared shitless of debating him. And I wouldn't doubt that all of this media hype attacking Trump is a way to be able for CNN and Fox News to keep him OUT of the debate.

Only time will tell.

Joshua G · 07-21-2015, 11:41 AM

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If Sanders could manage to convince Waren to be his running mate, I'm pretty sure that would secure him the nomination over Hillary..

just IMO but i believe the only reason warren is not in it is because she struck a deal with hillary to get a FAT cabinet post, like tres sec, or VEEP, to stay out of the race. if im right then warren will never ally with sanders to the detriment of her own future opportunities in an assumed clinton administration. i know political junkees have a hardon for sanders but he has zero Q score for the cameras, & image is EVERYTHING today.

dyna mo · 07-21-2015, 11:46 AM

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It's just in his nature. He's lived his live doing what he wanted because he's had all the money to back him. Regardless of what he thinks, being the president requires a lot of concessions and excepting that your word isn't the final say..

I don't think Trump has even had to deal with that in his life, he has lived in his own little bubble as the king of his own Empire. I'm pretty certain he will just trying to make the debates a popularity contest by saying funny stuff or harsh stuff while not sticking to the issues.

This might work on people whom want to be entertained, but not on people whom care about the job he would do as president.

Then again who knows, maybe he will be great.. I'm just not counting on it, given his current antics.

i compare trump to dan bilzerian. bilzerian inherited the same amount of dough from his old man and he spends it on hookers and paying to get bit parts in movies. trump's a billionaire and he's had to navigate huge bankruptcies to get there. i understand people will point to those as failures and i get that but in between getting $50 million from his old man and navigating bankruptices, he's worth $10 billion, that's more than the king of instagram has done.

maybe it's a silly comparison between the 2, but my point is Trump parlayed that $50 million into $10 billion, not squandering it being a playboy, which is what i would have done. i read way back when that Trump's had to restructure deals with 100s of banks to resolve things, that's experience in debating the issues. again, from $50 million to $10 billion.

Joshua G · 07-21-2015, 11:46 AM

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while i am looking forward to any debate that includes Trump, THE debate i'm really looking forward to will be the Clinton - Sanders - Webb debate. i fully expect that to be quite revealing.

it would be nice if the media would give more airtime to other candidates despite their lack of celebrity. to robbies point its really not helpful the media obsesses over image candidates & tries to tell the public what to think.

crockett · 07-21-2015, 11:48 AM

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I think that Sanders will not have a chance for the same reason that the media is trying to shut down Trump.
Sanders is an Independent running as a Democrat. He is not part of the party structure and much like Trump...doesn't obey them like a dog.

Hillary and Bush ARE the party structure for the Dems and Republicans.

As for Trump's debate skills, I don't think that any of us know. I think the Republican candidates are scared shitless of debating him. And I wouldn't doubt that all of this media hype attacking Trump is a way to be able for CNN and Fox News to keep him OUT of the debate.

Only time will tell.

Yes , it will most likely come down to Clinton vs Bush or maybe Walker.. But who knows.. I'm sure sanders and trump will both go the way of Ron Paul and fall by the wayside, but really it's still very early.

I just suspect the novelty of Trump will wear off, unless he starts paying attention to issues more than he bickers with others..

dyna mo · 07-21-2015, 11:49 AM

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just IMO but i believe the only reason warren is not in it is because she struck a deal with hillary to get a FAT cabinet post, like tres sec, or VEEP, to stay out of the race. if im right then warren will never ally with sanders to the detriment of her own future opportunities in an assumed clinton administration. i know political junkees have a hardon for sanders but he has zero Q score for the cameras, & image is EVERYTHING today.

it's not too late for her to throw her hat in the ring right? i was wondering recently when she would, if she would and why hasn't she yet. one reason that occurred to me is she's smart enough to know the dem party has already picked HIllary to be their guy.

Joshua G · 07-21-2015, 11:50 AM

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i compare trump to dan bilzerian. bilzerian inherited the same amount of dough from his old man and he spends it on hookers and paying to get bit parts in movies. trump's a billionaire and he's had to navigate huge bankruptcies to get there. i understand people will point to those as failures and i get that but in between getting $50 million from his old man and navigating bankruptices, he's worth $10 billion, that's more than the king of instagram has done.

maybe it's a silly comparison between the 2, but my point is Trump parlayed that $50 million into $10 billion, not squandering it being a playboy, which is what i would have done. i read way back when that Trump's had to restructure deals with 100s of banks to resolve things, that's experience in debating the issues. again, from $50 million to $10 billion.

to be fair, just cause trump says on paper he's worth 10 billion, doesnt make it true. im willing to wager the number is much lower, & if the media does its job, more facts will emerge. But i do assume he's worth at least 100 mil.

crockett · 07-21-2015, 11:51 AM

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just IMO but i believe the only reason warren is not in it is because she struck a deal with hillary to get a FAT cabinet post, like tres sec, or VEEP, to stay out of the race. if im right then warren will never ally with sanders to the detriment of her own future opportunities in an assumed clinton administration. i know political junkees have a hardon for sanders but he has zero Q score for the cameras, & image is EVERYTHING today.

Yes, I sometimes think this as well. I also think Warren is one of the few whom actually wants to change the system. With that in mind, she might feel she has more power to change the banking sector from where she is, vs as in the WH.

Joshua G · 07-21-2015, 11:52 AM

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it's not too late for her to throw her hat in the ring right? i was wondering recently when she would, if she would and why hasn't she yet. one reason that occurred to me is she's smart enough to know the dem party has already picked HIllary to be their guy.

yes. the clinton machine is a big reason the field is so small. very intimidating, warren would have to raise 10s of millions from the same people funding hillary. tough thing to do, & dangerous should clinton actually win.

dyna mo · 07-21-2015, 11:58 AM

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to be fair, just cause trump says on paper he's worth 10 billion, doesnt make it true. im willing to wager the number is much lower, & if the media does its job, more facts will emerge. But i do assume he's worth at least 100 mil.

sure, nevertheless, if he were an ordinary average guy he'd have much less than $50 million after all this. in many ways, he's living the American dream. picking yourself up, dusting off and keep on keeping on until you get there. while it's certainly not elon musk elegant, not every success story has the Midas touch.

Robbie · 07-21-2015, 11:59 AM

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to be fair, just cause trump says on paper he's worth 10 billion, doesnt make it true. im willing to wager the number is much lower, & if the media does its job, more facts will emerge. But i do assume he's worth at least 100 mil.

Is he just saying it? As I understand it he turned in a 92 page financial report to the authorities showing his wealth as he is required to do in order to run.

Kinda hard to fake that.

And I don't find 10 billion to be unbelievable at all. Matter of fact I suspect it's a conservative lowball number.

As for the 100 million figure you suggested. I would think that if he only had the Trump hotel here in Vegas he would be worth more than that. And he owns far more than that worldwide, including the most expensive real estate in the world in NYC

Robbie · 07-21-2015, 12:00 PM

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. while it's certainly not elon musk elegant, not every success story has the Midas touch.

And it turns out that Musk has been the benificiary of huge govt loans over the past decade

Joshua G · 07-21-2015, 12:07 PM

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Is he just saying it? As I understand it he turned in a 92 page financial report to the authorities showing his wealth as he is required to do in order to run.

Kinda hard to fake that.

And I don't find 10 billion to be unbelievable at all. Matter of fact I suspect it's a conservative lowball number.

As for the 100 million figure you suggested. I would think that if he only had the Trump hotel here in Vegas he would be worth more than that. And he owns far more than that worldwide, including the most expensive real estate in the world in NYC

actually its quite easy for billionaires to hide or exaggerate their money. all they have to do is use shell companies, or derivatives to hide debt. Enron was very good at this! as was wall street until sept 2008. worked for years. trump may be worthless but the only way to know is when he cant pay his bills. but if he has a billion liquid, nobody will know if he's underwater.

dyna mo · 07-21-2015, 12:12 PM

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actually its quite easy for billionaires to hide or exaggerate their money. all they have to do is use shell companies, or derivatives to hide debt. Enron was very good at this! as was wall street until sept 2008. worked for years. trump may be worthless but the only way to know is when he cant pay his bills. but if he has a billion liquid, nobody will know if he's underwater.

i would figure with a billion liquid, bankers would be scrambling to buy/refi your debt, and throw in some sweet perks too. a billion cash is pretty cool man. that's monster really. shit Apple has what $80 billion cash.

Jman · 07-21-2015, 12:17 PM

I'm pretty sure Trump was hired by democrats.... Since he's doing his batshit crazy rat side show no one is chatting up about Bobama move with Iran or Hilary's plan.

Joshua G · 07-21-2015, 12:18 PM

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i would figure with a billion liquid, bankers would be scrambling to buy/refi your debt, and throw in some sweet perks too. a billion cash is pretty cool man. that's monster really. shit Apple has what $80 billion cash.

im sure he has enough to pretend to be a billionaire. its not that big a lifestyle difference between the 2, other than hard assets like owning an island LOL. its possible all of his billions of assets are in debt off the record & he has no net worth. theres no way to know. certainly has has enough liquid to look like a billionaire. but i dont remember forbes ever putting him anywhere near such a high number. im sure its bullshit, just a matter of how much his number is BS.

crockett · 07-21-2015, 12:21 PM

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And it turns out that Musk has been the benificiary of huge govt loans over the past decade

And those loans have done exactly what they were meant to do.. Jump start new industries.

musk has pretty much created the electric car market. A market which was left abandoned by every other car manufacturer in the industry. Now they are all investing in it because of Telsa.

Added to this there are now spin off industries which he is pushing hard, like reducing the cost of lithium batteries much faster than what the industry expected.. This is because of Musk and Telsa.

Then there is the entire Spacex thing..

You act as if the govt funding to him was a bad thing.. Meanwhile oil and gas companies get billions of our tax dollars..

Robbie · 07-21-2015, 12:34 PM

Not arguing that at all crockett. I admire Musk.

I just kept wondering how on Earth this tiny car company in California was able to do what the big automakers in Detroit STILL can't do.
Where was all that money coming from?

Now we know. And I think he is a shining example of what CAN be accomplished when the right visionary is given access to that kind of funding.

Definitely a success story for Govt. loans. Still not sure if that's what the govt. should be doing with tax payer money though. Most times it doesn't turn out so good and the govt. gambles with federal funds.

Joshua G · 07-21-2015, 12:35 PM

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And those loans have done exactly what they were meant to do.. Jump start new industries.

musk has pretty much created the electric car market. A market which was left abandoned by every other car manufacturer in the industry. Now they are all investing in it because of Telsa.

Added to this there are now spin off industries which he is pushing hard, like reducing the cost of lithium batteries much faster than what the industry expected.. This is because of Musk and Telsa.

Then there is the entire Spacex thing..

You act as if the govt funding to him was a bad thing.. Meanwhile oil and gas companies get billions of our tax dollars..

yes im with you, not to mention GM chrysler & wall street still exist soley thanks to government loans. not everything the government does is bad. i get tired by the endless hate of government actions when our freedom & way of life only exists thanks to this terrible government.

dyna mo · 07-21-2015, 12:39 PM

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Not arguing that at all crockett. I admire Musk.

I just kept wondering how on Earth this tiny car company in California was able to do what the big automakers in Detroit STILL can't do.
Where was all that money coming from?

Now we know. And I think he is a shining example of what CAN be accomplished when the right visionary is given access to that kind of funding.

Definitely a success story for Govt. loans. Still not sure if that's what the govt. should be doing with tax payer money though. Most times it doesn't turn out so good and the govt. gambles with federal funds.

i took it to mean that musk also received help in a big way. both trump and musk got help to get where they are today.

Robbie · 07-21-2015, 12:46 PM

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i took it to mean that musk also received help in a big way. both trump and musk got help to get where they are today.

Yep...both are very smart and very industrious.

As I understand it...Trump bought out his siblings share of the family business after his father's death.
He had vision and was willing to take the risks and roll the dice.

So he took those millions and turned them into billions.

Musk got a 465 Million dollar loan from the U.S. taxpayers and turned that into billions as well. So he wasn't playing with family money and risking losing everything...but the man is a visionary and very successful.

I admire both men.

07-21-2015, 08:08 AM	#151
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,955	And of course the hypocrisy of the Des Moines Register. Here is a news story about illegal immigrants from that same paper back in Feb. The headline? "Should be no tolerance for illegal immigration" Should be no tolerance for illegal immigration And of course in 2007 the Des Moines Register ENDORSED John McCain for President for the 2008 election. So the "outsider" who isn't pre-approved by them attacks a guy that they endorsed in the 2008 election. This isn't reporting the news. This is trying to MAKE the news. And it's nothing but fucking guys in an office at a newspaper. They don't have any special insights into anything. They aren't the best educated. They have ZERO experience in the world. But these group of guys in a newspaper room feel elite enough to tell US who we can and can't vote for. Unreal... __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

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Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,955	Not arguing that at all crockett. I admire Musk. I just kept wondering how on Earth this tiny car company in California was able to do what the big automakers in Detroit STILL can't do. Where was all that money coming from? Now we know. And I think he is a shining example of what CAN be accomplished when the right visionary is given access to that kind of funding. Definitely a success story for Govt. loans. Still not sure if that's what the govt. should be doing with tax payer money though. Most times it doesn't turn out so good and the govt. gambles with federal funds. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

07-21-2015, 10:11 AM	#153
Joshua G dumb libs love censorship Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,198	robbie you should stop worrying about the medias influence. they really have very limited influence on public opinion. i mean, how does trump insult hispanics & the media saturates coverage of it & his poll numbers surge to the top of the polls. how did george bush win re-election after Iraq totally melted down in 2003-4? i am soooo looking forward to debates. each passing week i feel stronger the next president will be republican, because the total domination of hillary on her side is giving ZERO airtime to democratic points of view in the news. there will be no democrat debates. & hilary is such garbage as a campaigner, the dems so weak & feckless to have nobody of substance to challenge her (like warren) the dems are going to hand the country back to the repubs cause they run things that bad.

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,941	while i am looking forward to any debate that includes Trump, THE debate i'm really looking forward to will be the Clinton - Sanders - Webb debate. i fully expect that to be quite revealing.