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dyna mo · 07-20-2015, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

It never fails, that right wing talking heads always manage to blame liberals and the Liberal run media..

It's almost as comical as watching Russians blame everything under the sun on the U.S.. It's pretty much the same stance..

The simple fact is Democrats are laughing their ass off at the current GOP traveling circus. I mean fuck, democrats don't even have to do anything.. republicans keep attacking each other..

But once again it's all the liberal media's fault.. You guys are comical..

it states in the article that rush limbaugh assails the republican party hard and often, i don't keep up with the talking heads but that seems counter to your comment.

Robbie · 07-20-2015, 02:15 PM

crockett, Did you READ the quote I just gave straight from Al Franken's mouth?

The POINT I'm making has nothing to do with politics. It is about the hypocrisy of it being just fine for Franken to say the exact thing Trump said. But now that the 2 ruling parties want Trump out of the race?
They are calling on him to quit, make an apology to all vets, etc.

Come on crockett, forget about your politics for a second.
Neither of us are going to ever vote for Trump.

The point is that the media is trying to shape the election. Doesn't that offend you as a citizen of this country in any way?

dyna mo · 07-20-2015, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Here is Al Franken's attack on McCain supposedly being a hero.
Today Sen. Franken said it was just him "joking". So since he's a liberal it's all okay!

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Fifteen years ago, Al Franken took a dig at John McCain for being captured during the Vietnam War.

?I have tremendous respect for McCain but I don?t buy the war hero thing,? Franken wrote in an essay about the 2000 elections. ?Anybody can be captured. I thought the idea was to capture them. As far as I?m concerned he sat out the war.?
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PURE HYPOCRISY by the 2 ruling parties and the media. I hope the American people start waking up to this shit.
Nobody said a word about Franken's statement then. And it's only brought up now because Limbaugh spoke out about it.
Where is Anderson Cooper on this? Rachel Maddow?

still lolling.

crockett · 07-20-2015, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

crockett, Did you READ the quote I just gave straight from Al Franken's mouth?

The POINT I'm making has nothing to do with politics. It is about the hypocrisy of it being just fine for Franken to say the exact thing Trump said. But now the the 2 ruling parties want Trump out of the race?
They are calling on him to quit, make an apology to all vets, etc.

Come on crockett, forget about your politics for a second.
Neither of us are going to ever vote for Trump.

The point is that the media is trying to shape the election. Doesn't that offend you as a citizen of this country in any way?

Who the fuck gives a shit what Al Franklin said? Is he running for president? It's like giving a Fuck what ever dumb shits comes out of Michael buchanan's mouth.

Robbie · 07-20-2015, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

still lolling.

Pretty much all you have to do is read crockett's response and you'll know what the "liberal" media response will be.

There will be no backing off of the hypocrisy by the media. As we know, during the 2008 election the media showed their complete lack of disdain and respect for the greatest man in the history of the nation John McCain.
But now when Trump says it...OMG!

Robbie · 07-20-2015, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Who the fuck gives a shit what Al Franklin said? Is he running for president? It's like giving a Fuck what ever dumb shits comes out of Michael buchanan's mouth.

I do. Al Franken is now a US Senator.

And quite frankly...I agree with him. I'm not "mad" at Al Franken.

I'm angry at the hypocrisy of the media. Why aren't you?

dyna mo · 07-20-2015, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Who the fuck gives a shit what Al Franklin said? Is he running for president? It's like giving a Fuck what ever dumb shits comes out of Michael buchanan's mouth.

crockett, you are to the lib party what Trump's hair is to a balloon.

crockett · 07-20-2015, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I do. Al Franken is now a US Senator.

And quite frankly...I agree with him. I'm not "mad" at Al Franken.

I'm angry at the hypocrisy of the media. Why aren't you?

Because I don't really give a shit about the media.. I don't live my life worrying about what some idiot on Fox News says or what some idiot on CNN says.. The media is after ratings.. They say stupid shit on their 24/hr talk show networks..

I don't watch them, I don't care what they say.. I read news which is reported on websites or sometimes watch the half hours nightly news.. You know actual news, not talking heads.

You are telling me to put political shit aside.. Yet here you are blaming liberals and liberal media for everything that outrages you.. Meanwhile you are bickering about stupid shit they present to you.

I've had the exact same stance since Trump entered the race.. Which is.. He's a publisitcy whore whom doesn't give a shit about being president. He keeps proving me right week after week.. Yet.. Liberal media yadda yadda yadda..

crockett · 07-20-2015, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Pretty much all you have to do is read crockett's response and you'll know what the "liberal" media response will be.

There will be no backing off of the hypocrisy by the media. As we know, during the 2008 election the media showed their complete lack of disdain and respect for the greatest man in the history of the nation John McCain.
But now when Trump says it...OMG!

Pretty much reading Robbie's posts will tell you what Republicans whom are embarrassed to call themself's republicans response will be..

Blah blah blah Fox News...

Robbie · 07-20-2015, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Because I don't really give a shit about the media

Good for you.

Now if you can only convince the rest of the country to not "give a shit about the media" then we won't have to worry about a Free Press and/or the media trying to sell us all a line of bullshit to change history and who will be the next President.

Bravo crockett!

crockett · 07-20-2015, 02:34 PM

When Trump drops out of the race or looses horribly, Robbie and co will tells us how it's all the liberal medias fault..

Mark my words, I'm a prophet...

Robbie · 07-20-2015, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Pretty much reading Robbie's posts will tell you what Republicans whom are embarrassed to call themself's republicans response will be..

Blah blah blah Fox News...

It doesn't matter what you think I am politically. But if it makes you feel better you can keep saying it.

You are on here trying to troll and pick a fight.

There shouldn't be ANY argument about the media trying to shape the news instead of just report it. You should be 100% with me on that.
Instead, you are ranting about Democrats and Republicans...again.

crockett · 07-20-2015, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

It doesn't matter what you think I am politically. But if it makes you feel better you can keep saying it.

You are on here trying to troll and pick a fight.

There shouldn't be ANY argument about the media trying to shape the news instead of just report it. You should be 100% with me on that.
Instead, you are ranting about Democrats and Republicans...again.

You rant about liberals in almost every post you make.. Yet I'm the guy whom makes it political..

It's just like the last 7 years of Republican disfunction within congress.. You never blame them for a single thing, just Obama, Obama Obama..

When Congress couldn't reach a budget deal it was Obama's fault.. When Congress wasted millions and continues to waste millions trying to repel Obamacare it's no big deal.. It's Obama's fault..

You blame the left for everything under the sun, but soon as anyone blames the right it's oh.. You are bringing politics into it..

SuckOnThis · 07-20-2015, 02:44 PM

Trumps goal is to constantly be IN the media spotlight, he's the ultimate media whore. Now his supporters are pissed about it?

crockett · 07-20-2015, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Trumps goal is to constantly be IN the media spotlight, he's the ultimate media whore. Now his supporters are pissed about it?

It's obviously the liberal media's and Al Frankins fault that Trump and McCain say stupid shit on TV.. Let's not forget about Hollywood elites.. It's been a while since we've had anything to blame on them! Someone cue Fox News, that they have forgotten to blame Hollywood elites for their evil doings..

Don't forget it's bootstraps and being responsible for your own actions, unless you can blame liberals and the media!

Just like it's the US's fault Russia has to send troops to Ukraine on their vacations..

Robbie · 07-20-2015, 02:48 PM

crockett just doesn't stop does he?
Fight, fight, fight.

Still hasn't addressed what I'm saying about the media. Just wants to fight with me about politics and his love of one of the ruling parties.

Not gonna happen crockett. Just carry on with it. And when you're ready to have an intelligent discussion about the issue of the media trying to shape the news...let me know.

dyna mo · 07-20-2015, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Trumps goal is to constantly be IN the media spotlight, he's the ultimate media whore. Now his supporters are pissed about it?

that was my initial guess, yes. it seemed to me that the jab would be over the top for most people. but it looks like, from the comments here, i am in the minority. although the media is on fire over it, but i wonder if that will matter now. looking forward to the next poll to see.

crockett · 07-20-2015, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

crockett just doesn't stop does he?
Fight, fight, fight.

Still hasn't addressed what I'm saying about the media. Just wants to fight with me about politics and his love of one of the ruling parties.

Not gonna happen crockett. Just carry on with it. And when you're ready to have an intelligent discussion about the issue of the media trying to shape the news...let me know.

Ironic.. I never made any personal attacks to you..

Then you come up with this...

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Pretty much all you have to do is read crockett's response and you'll know what the "liberal" media response will be.

There will be no backing off of the hypocrisy by the media. As we know, during the 2008 election the media showed their complete lack of disdain and respect for the greatest man in the history of the nation John McCain.
But now when Trump says it...OMG!

So I fired right back, now once again it's all my fault.. Robbie you never change.. Everything is always everyone else's fault.. You never do anything wrong..

SuckOnThis · 07-20-2015, 03:04 PM

The thing is none of this is hurting Trump right now, the newest Iowa poll shows his remarks hasn't changed a thing and in fact he has risen in national polls.

What I find to be hypocritical about the media is the right wing attacked Kerry's military service relentlessly but someone attacks McCain and its like they attacked Jesus himself.

dyna mo · 07-20-2015, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

The thing is none of this is hurting Trump right now, the newest Iowa poll shows his remarks hasn't changed a thing and in fact he has risen in national polls.

What I find to be hypocritical about the media is the right wing attacked Kerry's military service relentlessly but someone attacks McCain and its like they attacked Jesus himself.

according to realclearpolitics, that poll was taken primarily before the comment, not being a dick.

http://www.langerresearch.com/wp-con...16Politics.pdf

crockett · 07-20-2015, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

The thing is none of this is hurting Trump right now, the newest Iowa poll shows his remarks hasn't changed a thing and in fact he has risen in national polls.

What I find to be hypocritical about the media is the right wing attacked Kerry's military service relentlessly but someone attacks McCain and its like they attacked Jesus himself.

But dats diffrent! I mean hell they had the Swift Boat Vetrens for the TRUTH!

It says truth in the name, so they were completely legit.. It was the liberal media whom got it all wrong..

Relentless · 07-20-2015, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Fifteen years ago, Al Franken took a dig at John McCain for being captured during the Vietnam War. “I have tremendous respect for McCain but I don’t buy the war hero thing,” Franken wrote in an essay about the 2000 elections. “Anybody can be captured. I thought the idea was to capture them. As far as I’m concerned he sat out the war.”

Fifteen years ago Al Franken was a comedian and a political comedy writer for Saturday Night Live... not a US Senator. If Trump were a comedian full time spewing nonsense it might be worth laughing about, but as long as he continues to pretend to be a Presidential candidate we should continue to pretend he is one...

Robbie · 07-20-2015, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

What I find to be hypocritical about the media is the right wing attacked Kerry's military service relentlessly but someone attacks McCain and its like they attacked Jesus himself.

EXACTLY!

Both Kerry and McCain made their military careers part of their political persona's in their campaigns all their lives.
Both are fair game.

But in Kerry's case...his opponent (George Bush) was an approved 2-party system candidate who was busy doing what the 2 parties do: funnel money to their cronies (especially defense companies in Bush's case).

That's my point...since Trump can't be bought...the 2 party's and the media HAVE to make him look bad in every way. Even if he's only saying what the news anchors themselves report about illegal immigration. Or if he gives his opinion on McCain's war record as being in a prison for the whole damn war.

I could care less about Republican VS Democrat.
This is the media making our choices for us and we as the sheep doing what we are told. Right now we are supposed to hate Trump because the media says so.

But unbelievably...it looks like a small but growing percentage of people aren't being sheep this time and the media is having a fucking fit over it.

Robbie · 07-20-2015, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

Fifteen years ago Al Franken was a comedian and a political comedy writer for Saturday Night Live... not a US Senator. If Trump were a comedian full time spewing nonsense it might be worth laughing about, but as long as he continues to pretend to be a Presidential candidate we should continue to pretend he is one...

Being President isn't about being some kind of "God".

And my point is...these comments have been made about McCain's war record for decades. Nobody ever said it was something that required anyone else to give an apology not only to McCain, but to every veteran in the world.

This is plain and simple media bias on behalf of the Republican party who want no part of anyone that doesn't obey them.

crockett · 07-20-2015, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

EXACTLY!

Both Kerry and McCain made their military careers part of their political persona's in their campaigns all their lives.
Both are fair game.

But in Kerry's case...his opponent (George Bush) was an approved 2-party system candidate who was busy doing what the 2 parties do: funnel money to their cronies (especially defense companies in Bush's case).

That's my point...since Trump can't be bought...the 2 party's and the media HAVE to make him look bad in every way. Even if he's only saying what the news anchors themselves report about illegal immigration. Or if he gives his opinion on McCain's war record as being in a prison for the whole damn war.

I could care less about Republican VS Democrat.
This is the media making our choices for us and we as the sheep doing what we are told. Right now we are supposed to hate Trump because the media says so.

But unbelievably...it looks like a small but growing percentage of people aren't being sheep this time and the media is having a fucking fit over it.

Where do you get this fairytale notion, that "Trump can't be bought?" Just because he's using his own money for his campaign, doesn't mean he won't do back room deals for shit.

Relentless · 07-20-2015, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Being President isn't about being some kind of "God". And my point is...these comments have been made about McCain's war record for decades. Nobody ever said it was something that required anyone else to give an apology not only to McCain, but to every veteran in the world. This is plain and simple media bias on behalf of the Republican party who want no part of anyone that doesn't obey them.

The media doesn't matter anymore. You and I do not matter. The people who do matter include Cindy McCain... and she is done with him. You win the presidency in 2016 by impressing or pissing off the right combination of about 500-1000 people... he just pissed off one of the most important ones in that group.

SuckOnThis · 07-20-2015, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Where do you get this fairytale notion, that "Trump can't be bought?" Just because he's using his own money for his campaign, doesn't mean it won't do back room deals for shit.

https://secure.donaldjtrump.com/dona...ke-a-donation/

Robbie · 07-20-2015, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

Robbie...

Having a loudmouthed asshat who dodged the draft saying someone who won a Silver Star from the military is not a war hero, and suggesting others who have been captured while in service to this country are not heroes is a matter for the public to decide and the upcoming poll results will show what they think of all of it.... To me personally it's a nonissue.

The media doesn't matter anymore. You and I do not matter. The people who do matter include Cindy McCain... and she is done with him.

Exactly. It's up for the VOTERS to decide. Not the media.

And if Cindy McCain is able to also make decisions for voters by stopping a candidate...how is THAT a good thing?

Nobody cares what I think about Trump. Nobody cares what you think. So writing it over and over doesn't do anything.

But what you and I and everyone else SHOULD care about is having our govt. officials picked FOR us.
That's my point.

Trump is only the example because he's the only one in the race who doesn't have to act like an ass-kisser and can actually say what he means. The others in the race are all lying through their teeth and if you were able to actually have a private conversation with any of them in a non-election year...they may say the exact same thing about McCain.
Just like Franken did when he wasn't beholden to the DNC.

The whole thing is ridiculous. And I think that people are slowly starting to see through it.
If a person HATES Trump. Then they should be able to vote that way without the media TELLING them to hate Trump.

Agreed? Even if you don't believe the media IS doing that...don't you agree that neither the media or the all-powerful God Cindy McCain...shouldn't be shaping the election?
It should be people choosing the candidate that reflects what they want. Period.

Robbie · 07-20-2015, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

You win the presidency in 2016 by impressing or pissing off the right combination of about 500-1000 people... he just pissed off one of the most important ones in that group.

Good. Now I hope he pisses off the other of the 999 or so of those people.

And I hope the ass-kisser politicians see him do it, take his example, and man up and start LEADING instead of fucking our country over at the behest of these mysterious movers and shakers you refer to.

Robbie · 07-20-2015, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Where do you get this fairytale notion, that "Trump can't be bought?" Just because he's using his own money for his campaign, doesn't mean he won't do back room deals for shit.

I take it straight from the horse's mouth. Trump himself.

Just like I took the "fairytale notion" (which Bill Clinton himself even called it) that Obama was going to be a great President and I voted for him in 2008.

All I can do is the same thing you do...listen to them, look at what they've done in their lives, and then decide if they can take the office as head of the Executive Branch of govt.

And quite frankly...I don't think Trump can. He's not my guy.

But my whole argument isn't about Trump. It's about what the media and the 2 party's are doing to manipulate who can and can't run for President.

dyna mo · 07-20-2015, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

The media doesn't matter anymore. You and I do not matter. The people who do matter include Cindy McCain... and she is done with him. You win the presidency in 2016 by impressing or pissing off the right combination of about 500-1000 people... he just pissed off one of the most important ones in that group.

doesn't this apply more to the status-quo, entrenched in toeing the party line?

Robbie · 07-20-2015, 03:57 PM

I will say this much...Relentless has definitely got a thing for McCain's wife.
And I don't blame him.

She is one hot GILF.

Robbie · 07-20-2015, 04:02 PM

Looks like Obama didn't get the memo about pissing off Cindy McCain and it costing him any elections.

Check out this bullshit story from the 2008 election:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...ticle-1.298133

This is the kind of STUPID shit that the American people are fed by the media. Instead of choosing our leaders by their merit as a potential effective head of the Executive Branch we get stories of Cindy McCain plagiarizing a fucking cookie recipe and get told how GREAT Michelle Obama's cookie recipe is.

This country needs an enema.

crockett · 07-20-2015, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I take it straight from the horse's mouth. Trump himself.

Just like I took the "fairytale notion" (which Bill Clinton himself even called it) that Obama was going to be a great President and I voted for him in 2008.

All I can do is the same thing you do...listen to them, look at what they've done in their lives, and then decide if they can take the office as head of the Executive Branch of govt.

And quite frankly...I don't think Trump can. He's not my guy.

But my whole argument isn't about Trump. It's about what the media and the 2 party's are doing to manipulate who can and can't run for President.

So you take this from the same mouth whom claimed Obama isn't a U.S. Citizen? The same mouth which led the whole Birther conspiracy theory?

tony286 · 07-20-2015, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I do. Al Franken is now a US Senator.

And quite frankly...I agree with him. I'm not "mad" at Al Franken.

I'm angry at the hypocrisy of the media. Why aren't you?

Actually it was a parody and he was a comedian at the time. If you read his book,he spoke with great affection for john McCain. Actually you want to talk about hypocrisy,its when kerry was running and GOP wear little Band-Aids to make fun of his purple heart. While their candidate was hiding in Al during the war. Lol

JJ Gold · 07-20-2015, 09:46 PM

Cockett is ruled by emotion and appears to be very bitter about something.

Robbie makes rational and salient points.

It is easy to see who is winning at the game of life.

TCLGirls · 07-20-2015, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ Gold

Cockett is ruled by emotion and appears to be very bitter about something.

Robbie makes rational and salient points.

It is easy to see who is winning at the game of life.

Robbie · 07-20-2015, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

Actually it was a parody and he was a comedian at the time. If you read his book,he spoke with great affection for john McCain. Actually you want to talk about hypocrisy,its when kerry was running and GOP wear little Band-Aids to make fun of his purple heart. While their candidate was hiding in Al during the war. Lol

Hey, I am in complete agreement. I think John Kerry was a hero. Especially when he came back and tossed his medals and testified before Congress about some of the atrocities that happened in the Vietnam War.

That was the kind of thing that Bush used AGAINST him.

But strangely...nobody told Bush to get out of the race or to apologize to Kerry and every veteran in the world.

THAT is my point Tony.

Not whether you think John McCain is some kind of hero or not.

I'm talking about the media having a double standard.
When Franken makes fun of McCain it's just a joke. When Trump fires back the exact same words that Franken used after McCain had already launched a political attack... Oh My Fucking GOD! Trump must drop out. Trump must apologize.

Same thing when Bush attacked Kerry. It was all fair game politically.
But when Trump does it to McCain about his service? It's a fucking capital crime according to the media.

You see...both Bush and Franken are accepted by the 2 ruling parties. They can both be controlled. Trump can't.

And it just bothers me to see the media blatantly doing this and people accepting it.

And not only accepting it...but instead of even talking about the media and what they are doing...the discussion just keeps going back to how some of you don't like Trump.

Who cares? I don't like him either. But I don't care who you don't like. Just like you don't care who I don't like. And we don't care who crockett doesn't like.
Only our egos cause us to feel the urge to tell people our OPINIONS.

I'm talking about a different thing here. I'm talking about the media working hand in hand with the Republican and Democrat parties to decide who is going to be the next president.

All you have to do is watch the Presidential debates in the general election.
The MEDIA decides that ONLY Republican and Democratic candidates can even participate by putting a number on polls that any candidate has to reach.

Think about that.

Other party's don't have a prayer because they don't ever get all the free publicity that the Repubs and Dems get from the media. So nobody knows they exist or what their views on the issues are.
We are kept ignorant.

And I can't tell you for certain WHO the next President is. But I can bet you it will be either a Democrat or a Republican.
We have no other choices apparently.

Relentless · 07-20-2015, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I will say this much...Relentless has definitely got a thing for McCain's wife. And I don't blame him. She is one hot GILF.

I have a thing for anyone who can attract donors and come up with a plan capable of getting a senior citizen one election night away from being President. That woman has actual power and actual money... Two things Donny never had.

Relentless · 07-20-2015, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

doesn't this apply more to the status-quo, entrenched in toeing the party line?

The non-status-quo non-entrenched presidential candidates are a grand total of 0 for 43 in national elections so far. In 2016 they will make it 0 for 44 and counting. Until Cirizens United is overturned you will never see a non-status-quo candidate win the White House

Relentless · 07-20-2015, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Looks like Obama didn't get the memo about pissing off Cindy McCain and it costing him any elections. Check out this bullshit story from the 2008 election:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...ticle-1.298133 This is the kind of STUPID shit that the American people are fed by the media. Instead of choosing our leaders by their merit as a potential effective head of the Executive Branch we get stories of Cindy McCain plagiarizing a fucking cookie recipe and get told how GREAT Michelle Obama's cookie recipe is. This country needs an enema.

Obama won with the other set of decisionmakers. Cindy McCain and Sheldon Adelsohn weren't on his wish list, Oprah and JayZ were. You need the right combination of 500-1000 people who matter. Donny has no shot with most of them right off the bat. McCain was one he could have courted. He won't get backed by the ones who backed Obama, he won't get Clinton's backers, he won't get McCains backers... He isn't likely to get Romney's backers, he sure as hell won't get Kerry or Gore's backers. Those people move together.

If you want to predict elections with some accuracy, go back four or five election cycles and look at the candidates from the two parties. Ask yourself how many of their constituiencies might back any particular candidate this time around. It works with amazing clarity in most national and local elections.

Hillary can get every backer Obama, Bill Clinton, Kerry and Gore had. Not every voter, voters are sheep... Every backer, the people who decide how voters will behave.

Now look at the GOP. Who out there can carry the Reagen backers, W backers, Bush I backers, McCain backers, Romney backers, etc...? Any person who can get more than half of them hasn't announced candidacy yet. Most of the candidates can't even get the full support of one past candidate's backers. Bobby Jindal? Donald Trump? Carly Fiorina?

Candidates with no consensus (Trump) can't afford to piss of cue givers. Women and Latinos won't vote for trump... ever. To win he needs a landslide in the NorthEast (won't happen), huge support from the southern border states (he just pissed off Cindy McCain so you can kiss most of that goodbye)... There isn't a whole lot left for him to pull from.

Robbie · 07-21-2015, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

He won't get backed by the ones who backed Obama, he won't get Clinton's backers, he won't get McCains backers... He isn't likely to get Romney's backers, he sure as hell won't get Kerry or Gore's backers.

Hillary can get every backer Obama, Bill Clinton, Kerry and Gore had. Not every voter, voters are sheep... Every backer, the people who decide how voters will behave.

Good point. And a sad commentary on what our choices in an election have become.

Which is why Trump is being railroaded by the media.
I think we are sort of saying the same thing.

He's not an acceptable candidate to the powers that be.

My wish is that more politicians had the balls to not be ass kissers. But unfortunately we WILL end up with a handpicked President. And yeah, it will be a relatively small number of movers and shakers who will make that decision for us.
And yes, they control the media as well.

TCLGirls · 07-21-2015, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Good point. And a sad commentary on what our choices in an election have become.

Which is why Trump is being railroaded by the media.
I think we are sort of saying the same thing.

He's not an acceptable candidate to the powers that be.

My wish is that more politicians had the balls to not be ass kissers. But unfortunately we WILL end up with a handpicked President. And yeah, it will be a relatively small number of movers and shakers who will make that decision for us.
And yes, they control the media as well.

If the media is "railroading" Trump, why are they giving him increased airtime with interviews and even updating how high he is ranking in the polls almost every day? The media keeps reporting how popular Trump is despite his comments. That is not railroading anyone. Rather, that is reporting things that will get the media higher ratings.

JuicyBunny · 07-21-2015, 12:58 AM

And for the moment, Trump is winninger...lol
24-28% approval in the polls while the rest keep falling.

Polls show reaction to Donald Trump's McCain remarks - CNNPolitics.com

Robbie · 07-21-2015, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

If the media is "railroading" Trump, why are they giving him increased airtime with interviews and even updating how high he is ranking in the polls almost every day? The media keeps reporting how popular Trump is despite his comments. That is not railroading anyone. Rather, that is reporting things that will get the media higher ratings.

As you said: Ratings.

And all of the airtime they are giving him is nothing BUT critical of him. And every thing that they ask any of the other Republican candidates is something to give THEM a chance to be critical of him as well.

If the same exact thing were being done to you on GFY...you would call it cyber-bullying and/or trolling.

So no...the media isn't trying to do Trump any favors at all. But they are helping him because of the public backlash as more and more people see the media for what they are in this whole affair.

Do you think that Walter Cronkite, or David Brinkley, or any of the real journalists who used to be news anchors would have wasted one minute of air time asking one Republican candidate how he "felt" about another one? Much less ALL the air time while ignoring actual major news stories?

Hell no.
But this is what our society is being presented with as "news" these days: A media that doesn't report, but instead tries to shape the news.

tony286 · 07-21-2015, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Hey, I am in complete agreement. I think John Kerry was a hero. Especially when he came back and tossed his medals and testified before Congress about some of the atrocities that happened in the Vietnam War.

That was the kind of thing that Bush used AGAINST him.

But strangely...nobody told Bush to get out of the race or to apologize to Kerry and every veteran in the world.

THAT is my point Tony.

Not whether you think John McCain is some kind of hero or not.

I'm talking about the media having a double standard.
When Franken makes fun of McCain it's just a joke. When Trump fires back the exact same words that Franken used after McCain had already launched a political attack... Oh My Fucking GOD! Trump must drop out. Trump must apologize.

Same thing when Bush attacked Kerry. It was all fair game politically.
But when Trump does it to McCain about his service? It's a fucking capital crime according to the media.

You see...both Bush and Franken are accepted by the 2 ruling parties. They can both be controlled. Trump can't.

And it just bothers me to see the media blatantly doing this and people accepting it.

And not only accepting it...but instead of even talking about the media and what they are doing...the discussion just keeps going back to how some of you don't like Trump.

Who cares? I don't like him either. But I don't care who you don't like. Just like you don't care who I don't like. And we don't care who crockett doesn't like.
Only our egos cause us to feel the urge to tell people our OPINIONS.

I'm talking about a different thing here. I'm talking about the media working hand in hand with the Republican and Democrat parties to decide who is going to be the next president.

All you have to do is watch the Presidential debates in the general election.
The MEDIA decides that ONLY Republican and Democratic candidates can even participate by putting a number on polls that any candidate has to reach.

Think about that.

Other party's don't have a prayer because they don't ever get all the free publicity that the Repubs and Dems get from the media. So nobody knows they exist or what their views on the issues are.
We are kept ignorant.

And I can't tell you for certain WHO the next President is. But I can bet you it will be either a Democrat or a Republican.
We have no other choices apparently.

You have a point but Trump isnt the example its Bernie Sanders. He draws record crowds and all they do is minimize him. How he is a fad and speaking about Hilary like its just hers. I never remember seeing it as blatant.

dyna mo · 07-21-2015, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

The non-status-quo non-entrenched presidential candidates are a grand total of 0 for 43 in national elections so far. In 2016 they will make it 0 for 44 and counting. Until Cirizens United is overturned you will never see a non-status-quo candidate win the White House

i am familiar with that. i mentioned that in a previous post either in this thread or another trump thread but i'm not seeing how that has anything to do with cindy mccain calling the shots.

the historical requirement to be president is either having been a politician or military leader.

dyna mo · 07-21-2015, 07:45 AM

the des moines register publicly called for Trump to withdraw his candidacy

Des Moines Register calls on Donald Trump to drop out | MSNBC

The Des Moines Register, arguably the most influential publication in the early primary state of Iowa, called on Donald Trump to drop out of the 2016 presidential race in an op-ed published on their website late Monday.

?If he were merely a self-absorbed, B-list celebrity, his unchecked ego could be tolerated as a source of mild amusement. But he now wants to become president, which means that he aspires to be the leader of the free world and the keeper of our nuclear launch codes,? the op-ed reads. ?That is problematic, because Trump, by every indication, seems wholly unqualified to sit in the White House. If he had not already disqualified himself through his attempts to demonize immigrants as rapists and drug dealers, he certainly did so by questioning the war record of John McCain, the Republican senator from Arizona.?

Robbie · 07-21-2015, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

You have a point but Trump isnt the example its Bernie Sanders. He draws record crowds and all they do is minimize him. How he is a fad and speaking about Hilary like its just hers. I never remember seeing it as blatant.

I agree. Hillary is the one that the DNC has selected for the Dems

Robbie · 07-21-2015, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

the des moines register publicly called for Trump to withdraw his candidacy

The Des Moines Register, arguably the most influential publication in the early primary state of Iowa, called on Donald Trump to drop out of the 2016 presidential race in an op-ed published on their website late Monday.

And there you have it. The MEDIA telling a candidate for President to NOT run. Thus taking away the people's choice if the candidate actually obeyed them.

I rest my case.

07-20-2015, 02:15 PM	#102
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,955	crockett, Did you READ the quote I just gave straight from Al Franken's mouth? The POINT I'm making has nothing to do with politics. It is about the hypocrisy of it being just fine for Franken to say the exact thing Trump said. But now that the 2 ruling parties want Trump out of the race? They are calling on him to quit, make an apology to all vets, etc. Come on crockett, forget about your politics for a second. Neither of us are going to ever vote for Trump. The point is that the media is trying to shape the election. Doesn't that offend you as a citizen of this country in any way? __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

07-20-2015, 02:48 PM	#116
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,955	crockett just doesn't stop does he? Fight, fight, fight. Still hasn't addressed what I'm saying about the media. Just wants to fight with me about politics and his love of one of the ruling parties. Not gonna happen crockett. Just carry on with it. And when you're ready to have an intelligent discussion about the issue of the media trying to shape the news...let me know. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

07-20-2015, 03:57 PM	#132
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,955	I will say this much...Relentless has definitely got a thing for McCain's wife. And I don't blame him. She is one hot GILF. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

07-20-2015, 04:02 PM	#133
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,955	Looks like Obama didn't get the memo about pissing off Cindy McCain and it costing him any elections. Check out this bullshit story from the 2008 election: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...ticle-1.298133 This is the kind of STUPID shit that the American people are fed by the media. Instead of choosing our leaders by their merit as a potential effective head of the Executive Branch we get stories of Cindy McCain plagiarizing a fucking cookie recipe and get told how GREAT Michelle Obama's cookie recipe is. This country needs an enema. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

07-20-2015, 02:34 PM	#111
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	When Trump drops out of the race or looses horribly, Robbie and co will tells us how it's all the liberal medias fault.. Mark my words, I'm a prophet...

07-20-2015, 02:44 PM	#114
SuckOnThis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In my head Posts: 6,844	Trumps goal is to constantly be IN the media spotlight, he's the ultimate media whore. Now his supporters are pissed about it?

07-20-2015, 03:04 PM	#119
SuckOnThis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In my head Posts: 6,844	The thing is none of this is hurting Trump right now, the newest Iowa poll shows his remarks hasn't changed a thing and in fact he has risen in national polls. What I find to be hypocritical about the media is the right wing attacked Kerry's military service relentlessly but someone attacks McCain and its like they attacked Jesus himself.

07-20-2015, 09:46 PM	#136
JJ Gold Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,969	Cockett is ruled by emotion and appears to be very bitter about something. Robbie makes rational and salient points. It is easy to see who is winning at the game of life.

07-21-2015, 12:58 AM	#144
JuicyBunny So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Tokyo Red Light District Posts: 2,145	And for the moment, Trump is winninger...lol 24-28% approval in the polls while the rest keep falling. Polls show reaction to Donald Trump's McCain remarks - CNNPolitics.com

07-21-2015, 07:45 AM	#148
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,936	the des moines register publicly called for Trump to withdraw his candidacy Des Moines Register calls on Donald Trump to drop out \| MSNBC The Des Moines Register, arguably the most influential publication in the early primary state of Iowa, called on Donald Trump to drop out of the 2016 presidential race in an op-ed published on their website late Monday. ?If he were merely a self-absorbed, B-list celebrity, his unchecked ego could be tolerated as a source of mild amusement. But he now wants to become president, which means that he aspires to be the leader of the free world and the keeper of our nuclear launch codes,? the op-ed reads. ?That is problematic, because Trump, by every indication, seems wholly unqualified to sit in the White House. If he had not already disqualified himself through his attempts to demonize immigrants as rapists and drug dealers, he certainly did so by questioning the war record of John McCain, the Republican senator from Arizona.?