Joshua G

if CENTCOM thinks the US will be AOK without a carrier in the gulf, imagine how many other things we have no need for, like the F-35!

No U.S. aircraft carrier in Persian Gulf for 2 months - CNNPolitics.com

i bet we could cut 80% of the defense budget with no effect on national security. Esp considering the large oceans separating the US from ISIL & china.

slapass

Goes without saying. But people don't care about our soldiers lives.

Joshua G

many people def care, but the most important people, who make decisions our troops have to pay for, do not. thats for sure.

what i wonder is, will the military ever catch up to the times & stop fighting the cold war, stop trying to pick a fight with china, russia? why do we send planes over their countries just to act like tom cruise?

_Richard_

thought it was due to the reserve currency thing

HowlingWulf

We supposedly have a defense budget equal to the next 10 countries combined, so there is plenty to cut.

I think 80% is way way too much.

Cut it even by $1 and some politicians scream how that would make America weaker and we'd be taken over by ISIS.

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Just reduce the spying budget of the NSA and we'd be golden.

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Joshua G

maybe. we can bring home the tens of thousands of troops sitting in germany, korea, okinowa, & i bet those countries would be safe without us.

we are building an F35 boondoggle to replace F16s that are superior dog fighters. great idea. not to mention all the savings replacing soldiers with robots. standing armies are a fossil, its all about spec ops/intel now, & someday a ballsy president is gonna have to clean house.

i dont think it will happen unless a ginormous economic depression forces the government to get real. or maybe president trump...

Rochard

Take a good look at military history for the United States in the past one hundred years.

For the most part the United States minded it it's own business, and the and the WWI hit catching us unprepared. We quickly ramped up, geared up, were woefully unprepared when we got there, and never had much influence on anything there. Our military came home and that was that. WWII was pretty much the same - We were unprepared, late for battle, and again completely unprepared. And again our military came home and that was that. Then there was Korea, and it was the same shit all over again. After Korea we decided not to downsize our military. If our military was needed, from then on forward it would be able to respond in any theater almost instantly.

And for a long time, US military policy was based on oil. If China or Russia cut off the oil supply from the Middle East, everything in the United States would come grinding to a halt - including our military. However, these days the United States is much less dependant on oil from the Middle East.

The problem is the United States has interests in all regions, and a desire to project it's power in all areas of the world. If you are okay with Israel being attacked and the United States not being able to help for two months and not being able to project a large amount of influence in the region for two years, then yes, we can downsize our military.

However, the US military has benefited the world. The first computers were for the military, the Internet itself was by the US military, GPS was originally military (Called TRANSIT, used by the US Navy in 1960)....

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pimpmaster9000

"""""""""""defence budget"""""""""""""""

used for """""""""""defence"""""""""""

like anybody is going to ever attack a nuclear nation LOL

the problem with this thread will be americans LOL

americans are not capable of admitting that something is horribly wrong with their country...

ridiculous military spending ---------> no problem
ridiculous health care costs ---------> no problem
ridiculous national debt ---------------> no problem
trillions in student debt ----------------> no problem
ridiculous crime levels-----------------> no problem
super corrupt government------------> no problem
war too big to fail in USA-------------> no problem

nothing is ever a problem in north korea and north america...no matter how much of a problem it really is

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You must be right.

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pornmasta

you were faster than me

pimpmaster9000

do you feel ashamed of having to milk 9/11 so much? I mean does it ever get old that a couple of arabs hijacked some jets and hurt your pride? it is obviously not a military attack and you know that no nation in the world will ever ever ever attack you (a few terrorists are not an army) so does it hurt up the asshole when you have to milk 9/11 for mother fucking ever?

you do realize that 9/11 is a pussy ass attack, minuscule in comparison to what the USA does to other countries?

you bombed 32 countries and each and every one of your bombings was worse than pussy ass 9/11...shit just in vietnam you dropped more bombs than all the bombs the germans and allies dropped during ww2...



I know you are american, and you are naturally disabled being that north korean and north american brain wash make you want to defend your crumbling empire at all cost, but look at the graph above and try to see how funny you are to me how come the other countries feel safe yet the USA does not? is it because:

1) americans are so fucking pussy they will never feel safe
2) other countries have much bigger balls...much much bigger
3) americans are dumb sheep
4) all of the above

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Joshua G

this is the sales pitch defense contractors throw at the pols & they fund carte blanche. that worldview is stale & obsolete. we dont need to "project" with our carriers floating around. we project with our economy, by using economic sanctions to persuade iran to negotiate a way out of sanctions. our carrier didnt get them there.

the world is not fragile. germany does not need our troops, & Israel has bought so much arms from us they dont need us & you know it. they didnt need us 40 years ago when they were getting attacked. dont need us today.