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dyna mo · 09-22-2015, 07:02 PM

Not 50 mpg.

TCLGirls · 09-22-2015, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

you are trying to interject a point i never made. i simply said i have a right to a better performing car. I never said that "absent government regulations" please recheck my writing you will see you made that part up yourself.

You said: "...for giving their drivers a civil right of a better performing car thats being needlessly restricted by a pollution law thats based on nothing but the liberal agenda. "

Which means you think driving a better performing car is a civil right. And you think air pollution law is needless.

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

& i vote republican everytime. but here in NY, its pretty much a wasted vote. No worries. when trump gets the white house, he will waive this nonsense away. This is the type of stuff donald says holds america back, & he's right. This is a waste of volkswagens time.

otherwise, start defending how the EPA NOx level directly effects the humanity. or are you gonna start spilling the whole climate change crap.

You keep trying to bring up NOx levels as if I am debating that. here's a hint, I am not debating that. I am challenging your assertion that driving a better performing car is a civil right.

I own a 1965 Chevy C10 with a 350 V8. Not smog devices whatsoever as pre-1975 cars are exempt from smog regulations in CA. So I am sure it emits more than a new VW. The issue is VW willful cheating.

TCLGirls · 09-22-2015, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

& i vote republican everytime. but here in NY, its pretty much a wasted vote. No worries. when trump gets the white house, he will waive this nonsense away. This is the type of stuff donald says holds america back, & he's right. This is a waste of volkswagens time.

I do not think you understand this country's political system. The President does not have the power to simply waive laws passed by congress.

CDSmith · 09-22-2015, 08:27 PM

In this day and age of news reports coming from every direction and hemisphere saying things such as the oceans are upwards of 3 times warmer in spots than they were 40 years ago, that upwards of half of all marine life has died off due to polution and warming, that more species are currently close to or at extinction levels (including several shark species) than ever before in modern history, all of which means it's not merely a "liberal agenda", it makes a story like this VW thing a bid deal in the majority of people's minds, thus there are simply going to be certain laws in place that govern vehicle emission rates.

It also means (and this part in particular really should be a no-brainer) that any auto maker who not only flouts those emission laws but willfully and purpusely designs and installs technology to hide the true emission levels their cars create is going to get the proverbial ass-reaming, both publically and financially. And in my opinion rightly so.

Crying that the law is a stupid law is an irrelevant side argument. Saying "it's a liberal thing", hogwash. You may as well say something equally inaccurate like "there are no conservative environmentalists". Governments are under an immense amount of pressure to not only uphold existing laws (such as this one) but to actually do MORE about it, and if you think that that pressure only comes from people of the political left you're daft.

It won't bankrupt VW, I was mostly kidding before. But owners are going to take a big hit on any resale value they were hoping for. Many are joining together and forming class action suits over this as we speak. Where it will all lead I couldnt say, but one thing I do know for certain is that VW's stock has dropped significantly. It will very likely continue to drop for a while yet, but at some point they'll start to recover from this and bounce back. What am I driving at you ask? Buy low, sell high... anyone? Anyone??

Anyone buying? Is the market overreacting to this so-called scandal?

dyna mo · 09-22-2015, 08:35 PM

CD, i'm guessing this is going to explode into a super massive issue. not saying VW won't survive it, they will, but this will be a big big deal i'm thinking.

cosis · 09-22-2015, 10:39 PM

glad I traded one in last month

L-Pink · 09-22-2015, 11:02 PM

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Nice. I like old trucks

plaster · 09-22-2015, 11:29 PM

This has nothing to do with VW and their apparent faulty diesel emissions readings.

First off, everyone in the states is tested by the state for emissions... well maybe not florida.

This has to do with a much wider scandal in that the US will not accept gas efficient cars in the US because they don't want to lose gas money.

I have known, personally... that VW's bought in germany have gas mileage far above what a VW bought in a US has. I read this at least 3 years ago.

Here's a YOUTUBE video for you to view:

So VW was forced by the US government to supply inferior gas mileage cars to the US and now the US is saying VW is putting faulty emissions readings in their cars? Bullshit!

dyna mo · 09-22-2015, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

You said: "...for giving their drivers a civil right of a better performing car thats being needlessly restricted by a pollution law thats based on nothing but the liberal agenda. "

Which means you think driving a better performing car is a civil right. And you think air pollution law is needless.

You keep trying to bring up NOx levels as if I am debating that. here's a hint, I am not debating that. I am challenging your assertion that driving a better performing car is a civil right.

I own a 1965 Chevy C10 with a 350 V8. Not smog devices whatsoever as pre-1975 cars are exempt from smog regulations in CA. So I am sure it emits more than a new VW. The issue is VW willful cheating.

nice truck. i'm a truck guy. i knew you were a V8 drive-by.

jimmycastor · 09-23-2015, 12:50 AM

its economical warfare and either the us , french or asian car industry is sick of the domination of german brands and someone now dropped a nuke .

no one in the gov seriously cares about some more or less diesel in the air nowaday

ContentPimp · 09-23-2015, 12:51 AM

And we thought we could take clean breaths of oxygen on Volkswagen exhaust!They fooled us!

slapass · 09-23-2015, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

forget jail time. MLK paid with his life. & suggestions are being made about bankrupting volkswagen. for what? for giving their drivers a civil right of a better performing car thats being needlessly restricted by a pollution law thats based on nothing but the liberal agenda. Liberals want to kill volkswagen for violating the liberal agenda.

rather than tearing my point down, you should try to defend yours...the NOx level. what specific got harmed by VWs exhaust? name 1 thing got harmed, other than liberals dumb pollution setting.

Ummm... pollution control measures aren't about global warming. It is about real smog. So the "animals" harmed in this situation are humans and all others.

WSJ talking about smog and LA - Los Angeles Sees Health Benefits as Its Smog Haze Clears - WSJ

SpicyM · 09-23-2015, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

I own a 1965 Chevy C10 with a 350 V8. Not smog devices whatsoever as pre-1975 cars are exempt from smog regulations in CA. So I am sure it emits more than a new VW.

That is a gas engine, can't compare that to diesel. The combustion of diesel is not as clean as gas, that's why particle filters are only needed for diesel engines (Euro6).

RebelR · 09-23-2015, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Apparently this fraud covers all their diesel engine cars from 2015 back to 2009. I don't think Lambo or Porsche sells a consumer product using that diesel engine...in the US at least (I could be wrong)...but Audi sure does.

I think Porsche and Lambo name could easily survive this scandal (under a new owner perhaps) given their reputation and if none of their cars actually had the diesel engine in question.

Actually not all, only the 2.0 manufactured between 2009 to current and not equipped with the Urea Injection. So the Porsche, Audi (except the A3) and Touregs aren't affected, as are some of the Passats.

My guess is that they couldn't meet the North American emission standards with that particular engine (non urea injected) so they altered the programming.

The potential fallout from this will be huge. They will either have to modify the engine at a cost of several thousand dollars per car, or if they opt for just a reprogramming, have to come up with some compensation for owners. The car they bought would not be the same under the new programming. Either the engine's life will be shortened, or the performance will be affected, or both.

Ross · 09-23-2015, 08:17 AM

VW own most of the best luxury car brands on the planet, everyone is focusing on the actual VW cars when they also own Porsche, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Audi, Bentley as well. I don't see this hurting sales of those cars tho, if you are buying one of those you most likely don't give a fuck about this scandal because they are some of the best cars on earth that not many other cars come close to.

Sly · 09-23-2015, 09:11 AM

CEO has "stepped down."

ottopottomouse · 09-23-2015, 09:36 AM

How is the annual(?) testing worded in the US? In the UK i'm sure they could skirt around this being a problem as the annual MOT test certificate has always had a disclaimer on it saying

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Your MOT certificate confirms that your vehicle at the time of its test met the minimum acceptable environmental and road safety standards required by law. It doesn?t mean that the vehicle is roadworthy for the life of the certificate and isn?t a substitute for regular maintenance.

A lot of people remove emissions equipment as it reduces performance, refit just for the test, then it's back off again.

To me, having the car run cleaner just for the test isn't much different from taking a smoky old shitbox for an hours thrash around on the way to be tested to make sure it plays nice while being inspected and scrapes a pass.

Joshua G · 09-23-2015, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass

Ummm... pollution control measures aren't about global warming. It is about real smog. So the "animals" harmed in this situation are humans and all others.

WSJ talking about smog and LA - Los Angeles Sees Health Benefits as Its Smog Haze Clears - WSJ

first, the article is limited only to WSJ subscribers, is unreadable to the general public. second, california has had its own pollution standards far longer than the last 20 years, so why is the smog better only for 20 years, when CA has had CARB since the 60s. does the article tie volkswagen directly to LA smog levels? probably not.

still waiting for 1 liberal to state the actual harm to any ecosystem, person or animal due to VW's "violation". What is the specific benefit of the EPA NOx level to anyone or anything? please stop avoiding this ive only asked 3 times, twice directly to people, who deflect. TCLgirls prefers to debate the idea of driving a faster car as a right. avoids my question like the plague. at least this post was an honest attempt to answer it. but even that article does not tie VW to any harm to anything.

crockett · 09-23-2015, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

first, the article is limited only to WSJ subscribers, is unreadable to the general public. second, california has had its own pollution standards far longer than the last 20 years, so why is the smog better only for 20 years, when CA has had CARB since the 60s. does the article tie volkswagen directly to LA smog levels? probably not.

still waiting for 1 liberal to state the actual harm to any ecosystem, person or animal due to VW's "violation". What is the specific benefit of the EPA NOx level to anyone or anything? please stop avoiding this ive only asked 3 times, twice directly to people, who deflect. TCLgirls prefers to debate the idea of driving a faster car as a right. avoids my question like the plague. at least this post was an honest attempt to answer it. but even that article does not tie VW to any harm to anything.

Why is it you equate clean air to "liberals. Is it because you know if it were up to conservatives the smog would be as bad today in LA as it was in the 60s..

Second you are asking a question which you already know can't be answered. Don't be such a crack monkey and use such a loaded question as your proof they dindu nuffin..

CDSmith · 09-23-2015, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

CEO has "stepped down."

Yep. While he admits no wrongdoing on his part personally, he knows full well that the actions by the company under his watch were egregiously wrong. A lot of people bought those cars under the provision that they were environmentally friendly... like the advertising said they were.

I'm sure 11 Million cars pumping out 40x's the advertised/allowable emissions over the course of 10 years wouldn't hurt a fly.

(plus the millions more they would have sold during that time had they not gotten caught)

In related news; VW's stock, having dropped nearly 40% over the past week, rose 7% today, which affirms what I said in my earlier post about the market overreacting.

Yes, this is a *big deal*, they are going to feel this both financially and image-wise for a long time to come.... and car buyers tend to have long memories, especially when the car they just bought was rendered near-worthless by the scumbaggery of the giant automaker.

But they'll recover eventually.

L-Pink · 09-23-2015, 06:30 PM

Wonder how many law firms are about to launch class-action lawsuits.

JuicyBunny · 09-23-2015, 07:30 PM

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Wonder how many law firms are about to launch class-action lawsuits.

- Big money for the holidays.

I wonder how far VW/Audi stocks will drop? Head of Mazda is from South America. I loved his response when asked if he believed, as VW is saying, that only a few people at VW knew. After laughing he said, "Gimme a Break."

VW proof that the world is using 3-8th generation fossil fuels cause humans have been here before. lol.

TCLGirls · 10-03-2015, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

name 1 single animal or plant or form of life that was in any way impacted, nevermind harmed, by excess NOx.

this is just another muslim suitcase clock. liberal hysteria over NOTHING.

"Volkswagen's pollution-control chicanery has not just been victimless tinkering, killing between five and 20 people in the United States annually in recent years, according to an Associated Press statistical and computer analysis."

AP analysis: Dozens of deaths likely from VW pollution dodge - Yahoo News

2MuchMark · 10-04-2015, 09:41 AM

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"Volkswagen's pollution-control chicanery has not just been victimless tinkering, killing between five and 20 people in the United States annually in recent years, according to an Associated Press statistical and computer analysis."

AP analysis: Dozens of deaths likely from VW pollution dodge - Yahoo News

Wow..... that's amazing. Fuck Volkswagen.

candyflip · 10-04-2015, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Apparently this fraud covers all their diesel engine cars from 2015 back to 2009. I don't think Lambo or Porsche sells a consumer product using that diesel engine...in the US at least (I could be wrong)...but Audi sure does.

I think Porsche and Lambo name could easily survive this scandal (under a new owner perhaps) given their reputation and if none of their cars actually had the diesel engine in question.

To revisit this, Audi had the same tech in their diesel engines as well.

JuicyBunny · 10-04-2015, 12:17 PM

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To revisit this, Audi had the same tech in their diesel engines as well.

Last months news.

The VW scandal will break Germany so no surprise German gov officials are pretending this did not happen. Like the Syria and friends invasion.

MaDalton · 10-04-2015, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

"Volkswagen's pollution-control chicanery has not just been victimless tinkering, killing between five and 20 people in the United States annually in recent years, according to an Associated Press statistical and computer analysis."

AP analysis: Dozens of deaths likely from VW pollution dodge - Yahoo News

xato · 10-04-2015, 01:06 PM

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Plot twist: It's not a VW!

MaDalton · 10-04-2015, 01:07 PM

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Plot twist: It's not a VW!

pointing out hypocrisy

edit: i find it stupid what VW did but i am about 100% sure that they are only the first to be caught. there will be more

Joshua G · 10-04-2015, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

"Volkswagen's pollution-control chicanery has not just been victimless tinkering, killing between five and 20 people in the United States annually in recent years, according to an Associated Press statistical and computer analysis."

AP analysis: Dozens of deaths likely from VW pollution dodge - Yahoo News

nice story. it goes to show you will believe what you want to believe.

you do realize they said they can't directly tie 1 single death of anyone to this, right? that its all statistical smoke & mirrors created by people with a political agenda. just like public opinion polls.

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"Statistically, we can't point out who died because of this policy, but some people have died or likely died as a result of this," said Carnegie Mellon environmental engineer professor Peter Adams.

the fucking guy can't even definitely state that anyone actually died, or may have died. That is what you bring to me as proof?

if anything, you just made my case.

TCLGirls · 10-04-2015, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

nice story. it goes to show you will believe what you want to believe.

you do realize they said they can't directly tie 1 single death of anyone to this, right? that its all statistical smoke & mirrors created by people with a political agenda. just like public opinion polls.

if anything, you just made my case.

Now you are backtracking.

First you said: "name 1 single animal or plant or form of life that was in any way impacted".

The article I cited did exactly what you asked for...it named a single life form that was impacted...humans.

Now you are asking for a specific person that died...that is different than what you asked before.

Joshua G · 10-04-2015, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Now you are backtracking.

First you said: "name 1 single animal or plant or form of life that was in any way impacted".

The article I cited did exactly what you asked for...it named a single life form that was impacted...humans.

Now you are asking for a specific person that died...that is different than what you asked before.

hello. if this is the level of intellect you bring to me, then go away. the article proves 1 thing only - that you are clueless about the manipulatability of statistics. plus, your still wrong. nothing tangible has been harmed, only statistical theories that a .00001% extra NOx may or may not kill some people. its so fucking nonsensical on its face you should be ashamed of yourself coming here with this shit.

again, name 1 ACTUAL, not theoretical based on some stat by some politically motivated tripe, ACTUAL person or animal harmed. ACTUAL...

but your the guy that posted the wrong pic of the clock suitcase hoax bomb. so clearly you have no interest in facts.

TCLGirls · 10-04-2015, 02:48 PM

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hello. if this is the level of intellect you bring to me, then go away. the article proves 1 thing only - that you are clueless about the manipulatability of statistics. plus, your still wrong. nothing tangible has been harmed, only statistical theories that an extra .00001% extra NOx may or may not kill some people. its so fucking nonsensical on its face you should be ashamed of yourself coming here with this shit.

but your the guy that posted the wrong pic of the clock suitcase hoax bomb. so clearly you have no interest in facts.

Originally you asked for 1 single life form that was impacted. The Carnegie Mellon professor's study addresses your question. But if you know more than Carnegie Mellon engineers then congrats.

Joshua G · 10-04-2015, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Now you are backtracking.

First you said: "name 1 single animal or plant or form of life that was in any way impacted".

The article I cited did exactly what you asked for...it named a single life form that was impacted...humans.

Now you are asking for a specific person that died...that is different than what you asked before.

come on TCL, name the actual human being, murdered by VW's tailpipe. NAME 1 SINGLE PERSON, just 1, on this whole wide world. name 1.

you can prove me wrong, just give us 1 name of 1 person murdered by their VW. Take all the time you need.

Joshua G · 10-04-2015, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Originally you asked for 1 single life form that was impacted. The Carnegie Mellon professor's study addresses your question. But if you know more than Carnegie Mellon engineers then congrats.

i guess you cant even understand his own words. he could not commit to anyone ACTUALLY being killed. did you even read it?

TCLGirls · 10-04-2015, 02:58 PM

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i guess you cant even understand his own words. he could not commit to anyone ACTUALLY being killed. did you even read it?

Originally, you did not ask anyone to identify a specific individual that died. You merely asked for someone to name one single life form that was impacted. The Carnegie Mellon Engineer's study addresses your question.

Joshua G · 10-04-2015, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Originally, you did not ask anyone to identify a specific individual that died. You merely asked for someone to name one single life form that was impacted. The Carnegie Mellon Engineer's study addresses your question.

pointless. you are avoiding my questions, deflecting. you lose.

TCLGirls · 10-04-2015, 03:00 PM

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come on TCL, name the actual human being, murdered by VW's tailpipe. NAME 1 SINGLE PERSON, just 1, on this whole wide world. name 1.

you can prove me wrong, just give us 1 name of 1 person murdered by their VW. Take all the time you need.

I never claimed any specific individual died because of VW's cheat.

TCLGirls · 10-04-2015, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

pointless. you are avoiding my questions, deflecting. you lose.

You changed your question after the article addressed your original question.

Joshua G · 10-04-2015, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Originally, you did not ask anyone to identify a specific individual that died. You merely asked for someone to name one single life form that was impacted. The Carnegie Mellon Engineer's study addresses your question.

still waiting...just name 1 thing impacted. like actual impact. im sorry i couldnt anticipate in advance that you needed me to be crystal clear that i was asking for an actual death, not a statistical pony-show. but i guess you get hung up on such nonsense when you have no facts to back you up & you know you cant name 1 dead person or plant.

just name someone who got a fucking headcold from their fucking VW's tailpipe! anything!

clownshoes.

Joshua G · 10-04-2015, 03:10 PM

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I never claimed any specific individual died because of VW's cheat.

i never ever claimed you did. i only asked for any evidence of harm to anyone. you come to me with lies, damn lies, AKA, statistics.

which, according to the engineer, cannot directly point to a single actual fatality. only theoretical. you know, like the 42 year old 911 first responder, who owned a VW, & died. The VW put him over the top & he died. Just name 1 time that happened! Just 1!!!

TCLGirls · 10-04-2015, 03:11 PM

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still waiting...just name 1 thing impacted. like actual impact. im sorry i couldnt anticipate in advance that you needed me to be crystal clear that i was asking for an actual death, not a statistical pony-show. but i guess you get hung up on such nonsense when you have no facts to back you up & you know you cant name 1 dead person or plant.

just name someone who got a fucking headcold from their fucking VW's tailpipe! anything!

clownshoes.

You were the one that asked for a "single life form" that was "impacted". Those were the words YOU chose to use. If you were only looking for the identity of a specific individual who died, then you should have used the correct words instead of generalizations. Because the question you originally asked was addressed by the Carnegie Mellon engineer's study.

L-Pink · 10-04-2015, 03:11 PM

Is there anyone more argumentative and dense than the man posting in plum?

Holy fuck I quit even reading threads he's in. Just beating the most obtuse off-base reasoning to death. I like the old truck though.

Joshua G · 10-04-2015, 03:20 PM

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You were the one that asked for a "single life form" that was "impacted". Those were the words YOU chose to use. If you were only looking for the identity of a specific individual who died, then you should have used the correct words instead of generalizations. Because the question you originally asked was addressed by the Carnegie Mellon engineer's study.

you are still deflecting. that means your losing. parcing words isnt gonna get you the win. come on! if the there are 5 people dying per year thanks to the actions of VW, then those people have names, right?

so tell me who died. until you answer this, you lose.

TCLGirls · 10-04-2015, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

you are still deflecting. that means your losing. parcing words isnt gonna get you the win. come on! if the there are 5 people dying per year thanks to the actions of VW, then those people have names, right?

so tell me who died. until you answer this, you lose.

I "lose" if I do not identify anyone killed by VW's cheat? How so? I do not claim to know the names of anyone that died, and never have.

Rather, I claimed VW cheated. And I cited a Carnegie Mellon study/article that addressed your original question.

Joshua G · 10-04-2015, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

I "lose" if I do not identify anyone killed by VW's cheat? How so? I do not claim to know the names of anyone that died, and never have.

Rather, I claimed VW cheated. And I cited a Carnegie Mellon study/article that addressed your original question.

yes. you cant name any harm, at all. & i repeat, you prove only that you are clueless about the malleability of statistics.

dialogue over. you failed.

Joshua G · 10-04-2015, 03:36 PM

TCL...i'll put it in big font so even a 10 year old can get it...

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""Statistically, we can't point out who died because of this policy, but some people have died or likely died as a result of this," said Carnegie Mellon environmental engineer professor Peter Adams."

i hope this helps you understand this single sentence renders the entire article as speculative. but no, you are more worried that i skipped the word "actual" in wanting the harm defined.

this is why i am asking for real, actual harm, not theories from politically motivated tripe. if real people are dying, they have names, name them.

pfft.

TCLGirls · 10-04-2015, 03:38 PM

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yes. you cant name any harm, at all. & i repeat, you prove only that you are clueless about the malleability of statistics.

dialogue over. you failed.

Uh, I did not even speak to the veracity of that statistical study. I merely cited it as it addresses your original question. It's quite bizarre that you automatically assume I accept the article as 100% truth and originally tried to characterize me as somehow "antinox" liberal...when in fact I drive a pre-1975 car that doesn't even require smog devices.

Joshua G · 10-04-2015, 03:57 PM

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Uh, I did not even speak to the veracity of that statistical study. I merely cited it as it addresses your original question. It's quite bizarre that you automatically assume I accept the article as 100% truth and originally tried to characterize me as somehow "antinox" liberal...when in fact I drive a pre-1975 car that doesn't even require smog devices.[/COLOR][/B]

you really are a terrible debater. twice in 1 hour you put words in my mouth. i never assumed you accept the article 100% as truth. never said you claimed a person died.

you have spent a dozen posts dancing around my definition of naming 1 single person or plant harmed. your answer is to cite politically motivated junk science, & then tell me this answers my question.

& you STILL will not directly answer anything to my simple, easy-to-answer question. As your information alludes to actual deaths, then those deaths are real, & therefore they are people with names. So name an individual who was harmed by VW's emmissions. I've asked for this 6 times now, but you instead discuss the way i phrase my questions.

TCLGirls · 10-04-2015, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

you really are a terrible debater. twice in 1 hour you put words in my mouth. i never assumed you accept the article 100% as truth. never said you claimed a person died.

you have spent a dozen posts dancing around my definition of naming 1 single person or plant harmed. your answer is to cite politically motivated junk science, & then tell me this answers my question.

& you STILL will not directly answer anything to my simple, easy-to-answer question. As your information alludes to actual deaths, then those deaths are real, & therefore they are people with names. So name an individual who was harmed by VW's emmissions. I've asked for this 6 times now, but you instead discuss the way i phrase my questions.

Yes you did when you said: "you prove only that you are clueless about the malleability of statistics."

That would only be true if I accepted the article as 100% truth without keeping open the possibility of biases.

09-22-2015, 08:27 PM	#54
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	In this day and age of news reports coming from every direction and hemisphere saying things such as the oceans are upwards of 3 times warmer in spots than they were 40 years ago, that upwards of half of all marine life has died off due to polution and warming, that more species are currently close to or at extinction levels (including several shark species) than ever before in modern history, all of which means it's not merely a "liberal agenda", it makes a story like this VW thing a bid deal in the majority of people's minds, thus there are simply going to be certain laws in place that govern vehicle emission rates. It also means (and this part in particular really should be a no-brainer) that any auto maker who not only flouts those emission laws but willfully and purpusely designs and installs technology to hide the true emission levels their cars create is going to get the proverbial ass-reaming, both publically and financially. And in my opinion rightly so. Crying that the law is a stupid law is an irrelevant side argument. Saying "it's a liberal thing", hogwash. You may as well say something equally inaccurate like "there are no conservative environmentalists". Governments are under an immense amount of pressure to not only uphold existing laws (such as this one) but to actually do MORE about it, and if you think that that pressure only comes from people of the political left you're daft. It won't bankrupt VW, I was mostly kidding before. But owners are going to take a big hit on any resale value they were hoping for. Many are joining together and forming class action suits over this as we speak. Where it will all lead I couldnt say, but one thing I do know for certain is that VW's stock has dropped significantly. It will very likely continue to drop for a while yet, but at some point they'll start to recover from this and bounce back. What am I driving at you ask? Buy low, sell high... anyone? Anyone?? Anyone buying? Is the market overreacting to this so-called scandal? __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

09-23-2015, 12:51 AM	#61
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09-23-2015, 09:11 AM	#66
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09-22-2015, 07:02 PM	#51
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,993	Not 50 mpg.

09-22-2015, 08:35 PM	#55
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,993	CD, i'm guessing this is going to explode into a super massive issue. not saying VW won't survive it, they will, but this will be a big big deal i'm thinking.

09-22-2015, 10:39 PM	#56
cosis Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Beach Posts: 5,276	glad I traded one in last month

09-22-2015, 11:29 PM	#58
plaster So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 2,295	This has nothing to do with VW and their apparent faulty diesel emissions readings. First off, everyone in the states is tested by the state for emissions... well maybe not florida. This has to do with a much wider scandal in that the US will not accept gas efficient cars in the US because they don't want to lose gas money. I have known, personally... that VW's bought in germany have gas mileage far above what a VW bought in a US has. I read this at least 3 years ago. Here's a YOUTUBE video for you to view: So VW was forced by the US government to supply inferior gas mileage cars to the US and now the US is saying VW is putting faulty emissions readings in their cars? Bullshit!

09-23-2015, 12:50 AM	#60
jimmycastor So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 342	its economical warfare and either the us , french or asian car industry is sick of the domination of german brands and someone now dropped a nuke . no one in the gov seriously cares about some more or less diesel in the air nowaday

09-23-2015, 08:17 AM	#65
Ross Ik ben een aap Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Traffic Force Towers, Canada! Posts: 18,874	VW own most of the best luxury car brands on the planet, everyone is focusing on the actual VW cars when they also own Porsche, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Audi, Bentley as well. I don't see this hurting sales of those cars tho, if you are buying one of those you most likely don't give a fuck about this scandal because they are some of the best cars on earth that not many other cars come close to.

09-23-2015, 06:30 PM	#71
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	Wonder how many law firms are about to launch class-action lawsuits.

10-04-2015, 03:11 PM	#93
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	Is there anyone more argumentative and dense than the man posting in plum? Holy fuck I quit even reading threads he's in. Just beating the most obtuse off-base reasoning to death. I like the old truck though.