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Rochard · 09-26-2015, 07:03 AM

And if I understand correctly, the Republicans just lost this battle, and Planned Parenthood will be funded. Once again the Republican party invested time, effort, money, and political capital, in a effort they shouldn't have even bothered with.... And lost.

ilnjscb · 09-26-2015, 07:13 AM

John Boehner was an unpopular man within his own party. What always amazes me is how hardcore dems say things like "he should have just gotten out of the way of progress" i.e. that he should have supported the dems party line.

Think a minute - if he had, would he ever have been elected, much less allowed to be speaker? The members of his party expect him to fight for *their* ideals.

His inability to effectively counter the dems, when he had a clear, large majority in the house and a majority in the senate was what made him unpopular. Today the speaker can't be a backroom drinker like Boehner - he (or she) needs to be a mini-president.

Mutt · 09-26-2015, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Let's check "crockett science" against reality:
It is the JOB of the Congress to use the power of funding to keep the executive branch in check.

What happened the last time they did their job and the govt. "shut down" (which isn't really what happens)?
What did the "right wing radicals" learn?

Well...the shut down occurred in 2013. In 2014 the Republicans gained even more seats in the House AND seized control of the Senate for full power in the legislative branch.

You see crockett...that people were angry at Republicans for actually doing what the founding fathers designed Congress to have the power to do, is nothing more than a fable fabricated by the Democrat Party. The Republicans were REWARDED in the very next election even though all the talking heads on CNN and MSNBC predicted they would be punished at the polls.

That is what happens when you actually DO what you promise when elected.
Not saying I agree with the things they promised and that people voted them in to do. But that IS their job. To do the will of the people.
Not the will of the wacko fake liberal left minority, or the will of the news channels.

I don't personally believe the Federal Govt. should be funding ANY private enterprise.
And especially any health related one now that the almighty ObamaCare is in full effect.
Nobody NEEDS that federal funding anymore. Everybody has to have ObamaCare insurance now and so any woman that wants to go to Planned Parenthood has it paid for with their insurance.

End of story.

Stop being disingenuous. This has NOTHING to do with small government. It's an anti-abortion crusade.

The people Planned Parenthood reaches out to don't have family doctors they've been seeing for years that they can confide in whether they're covered by Obamacare or not. These kids know that Planned Parenthood provides counseling for exactly their situations, they can reach out to PP without embarrassment or shame.

And stop invoking the Founding Fathers, they were extremely rational men that you insult with your irrational wacko belief that if they were resurrected from their graves that they would think and behave as if they were still stuck in the 18th century.

2MuchMark · 09-26-2015, 07:31 AM

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not a quick enough edit, fuckwad.

Meh..... I think maybe its time I and others went easier on you, cupcake. You're clearly delusional, and I think maybe you need our help.

Here's a hug.

{{ u }}

Have a nice day.

2MuchMark · 09-26-2015, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

Rochatd, you can't read and think this is about beating me at something so I'm not at all inclined to waste my time with all that.

See, that's a non-answer, cupcake. Rochard made a great point. You should try admitting you're wrong or you made a mistake once in a while. Only once you lose the hate, and especially the hate you feel for yourself, can you truly begin to love again.

Fa la la.... ;)

dyna mo · 09-26-2015, 07:39 AM

i wasn't wrong dipshit.

here's my comment again, i'm quoting it to rub your fuckwad nose in it because it has nothing to do with abortions or republicans.

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i'm sure there were some crocodile tears involved.

nevertheless, Americans don't need to be spending $500 million a year on planned parenthood. pp would do just fine without the funding.

dyna mo · 09-26-2015, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

Meh..... I think maybe its time I and others went easier on you, cupcake. You're clearly delusional, and I think maybe you need our help.

Here's a hug.

{{ u }}

Have a nice day.

fuck you fuckwad

jimmycooper · 09-26-2015, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

Stop being disingenuous. This has NOTHING to do with small government. It's an anti-abortion crusade.

The people Planned Parenthood reaches out to don't have family doctors they've been seeing for years that they can confide in whether they're covered by Obamacare or not. These kids know that Planned Parenthood provides counseling for exactly their situations, they can reach out to PP without embarrassment or shame.

And stop invoking the Founding Fathers, they were extremely rational men that you insult with your irrational wacko belief that if they were resurrected from their graves that they would think and behave as if they were still stuck in the 18th century.

dyna mo · 09-26-2015, 07:59 AM

ftr: title X, for those who don't have a doctor or not covered under obamacare:::::::::::::::::::::::

The Title X Family Planning Program, officially known as Public Law 91-572 or “Population Research and Voluntary Family Planning Programs” was enacted under President Richard Nixon in 1970 as part of the Public Health Service Act.

Title X is the only federal grant program dedicated solely to providing individuals with comprehensive family planning and related preventive health services. Title X is legally designed to prioritize the needs of low-income families or uninsured people (including those who are not eligible for Medicaid) who might not otherwise have access to these health care services.

These services are provided to low-income and uninsured individuals at reduced or no cost. Its overall purpose is to promote positive birth outcomes and healthy families by allowing individuals to decide the number and spacing of their children. The other health services provided in Title X-funded clinics are integral in achieving this objective.

Robbie · 09-26-2015, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

Stop being disingenuous. This has NOTHING to do with small government. It's an anti-abortion crusade.

The people Planned Parenthood reaches out to don't have family doctors they've been seeing for years that they can confide in whether they're covered by Obamacare or not. These kids know that Planned Parenthood provides counseling for exactly their situations, they can reach out to PP without embarrassment or shame.

And stop invoking the Founding Fathers, they were extremely rational men that you insult with your irrational wacko belief that if they were resurrected from their graves that they would think and behave as if they were still stuck in the 18th century.

You think I have "wacko" beliefs?

The Founding Fathers were far more intelligent than you are and would have a fit if they saw how govt. is controlling our lives.

I do agree that the defunding of Planned Parenthood is based on the right wing political gains with religious wacko's.

But that has nothing to do with the core that the govt. had no business funding it in the first place. It's a private business.
And it makes lots of money all on it's own and the people running it are making more money in a year than you have made in the last ten years.

It's not a charity. The leaders of Planned Parenthood pay themselves nice big salary's.

The taxpayers shouldn't be paying that. And the federal govt. should stick to doing what was laid out in the constitution and not try to have their hands in everything.

Paul Markham · 09-26-2015, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i'm sure there were some crocodile tears involved.

nevertheless, Americans don't need to be spending $500 million a year on planned parenthood. pp would do just fine without the funding.

$500 million a year is a lot cheaper than what it costs to keep the children, then funding them as adults who will go on to have more children.

All a big population does is create more mouths to feed. In the 21st Century is has nothing to do with wealth creation.

Paul Markham · 09-26-2015, 02:09 PM

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for the fucking record, when i researched this a while back, politifact, had concluded pp operates at an excess revenue level over costs. they labeled that mostly true, they later changed that to mostly false.

Abortion opponents claim Planned Parenthood had $300 million 'profit' | PolitiFact Florida

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Planned Parenthood receives about $363 million a year from the federal government, which can be used for cancer screenings, annual exams, birth control and other preventative services.

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Planned Parenthood is a money-maker. The claim comes from a U.S. News and World Report Washington Whispers blog on May 26 about U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz -- the Democratic National Committee chair who represents part of South Florida -- who called the GOP "anti-women" after the vote to de-fund Planned Parenthood. In response, Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of the Susan B. Anthony List, said: "The truly ?anti-woman? organization here is Planned Parenthood and the party that continues to defend its taxpayer funding when it has raked in more than $300 million in profits over the past four years. Fifty-four percent of Americans don?t want to be coerced into contributing to an organization they don?t believe in just by paying their taxes ? nor should they be."

Is that all the evidence you have?

As for making money, isn't that the GOP way? Reduces the burden on the taxpayers.

Paul Markham · 09-26-2015, 02:29 PM

There are certain things that can't be left to business to run or decide. Policing, Justice, Prisons, Healthcare, Education, Defences, Border Controls, being top of the list. Governing the country being number one.

Once a country does give these sectors over to big businesses to run the people come second and profits come first. A US National Health Scheme would save Americans Billions a month.

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In 2013 U.S. health care spending increased 3.6 percent to reach $2.9 trillion, or $9,255 per person, the fifth consecutive year of slow growth in the range of 3.6 percent and 4.1 percent. The share of the economy devoted to health spending has remained at 17.4 percent since 2009 as health spending and the Gross Domestic Product increased at similar rates for 2010 - 2013.

Every person earning under a certain wage is a drag on the economy. They are unable to pay their share of taxes to keep the country running. An inflated population, with a large percentage at the bottom is expensive, they need benefits, housing, healthcare, education, policing, prisons, Justice, lawyers, etc.

This is why Trump is winning the argument on keeping out unskilled migrants. What's the point of keeping migrants out if the resident population is exploding?

You won't find many middle class families with unplanned children they can't care for.

crockett · 09-26-2015, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

And if I understand correctly, the Republicans just lost this battle, and Planned Parenthood will be funded. Once again the Republican party invested time, effort, money, and political capital, in a effort they shouldn't have even bothered with.... And lost.

Oh they are investing even more tax payers money and time. They are going to start an investigation..

It's gonna be the new Benghazi..

It's amazing how much money they aste over stupid shit. Then have to gull to bitch and moan some more over wasted tax dollars.

2MuchMark · 09-26-2015, 06:26 PM

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fuck you fuckwad

It's ok, cupcake. I forgive you. I know you don't know any better.

crockett · 09-26-2015, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Let's check "crockett science" against reality:
It is the JOB of the Congress to use the power of funding to keep the executive branch in check.

What happened the last time they did their job and the govt. "shut down" (which isn't really what happens)?
What did the "right wing radicals" learn?

Well...the shut down occurred in 2013. In 2014 the Republicans gained even more seats in the House AND seized control of the Senate for full power in the legislative branch.

You see crockett...that people were angry at Republicans for actually doing what the founding fathers designed Congress to have the power to do, is nothing more than a fable fabricated by the Democrat Party. The Republicans were REWARDED in the very next election even though all the talking heads on CNN and MSNBC predicted they would be punished at the polls.

That is what happens when you actually DO what you promise when elected.
Not saying I agree with the things they promised and that people voted them in to do. But that IS their job. To do the will of the people.
Not the will of the wacko fake liberal left minority, or the will of the news channels.

I don't personally believe the Federal Govt. should be funding ANY private enterprise.
And especially any health related one now that the almighty ObamaCare is in full effect.
Nobody NEEDS that federal funding anymore. Everybody has to have ObamaCare insurance now and so any woman that wants to go to Planned Parenthood has it paid for with their insurance.

End of story.

Oh boy it's "Robbie's World" again, where he comes up with off the wall shit that relates to nothing. Hey Robbie Republicans didn't win more seats because they did a "good job" they won because Democrats stayed home and didn't vote..

This is what happens in low turn out elections, it favors Republicans because their voters tend to be very "team" orientated. Also this has not a fucking thing to do with small govt. it's Typical right wingers trying to tell people what they can do in a "free country". They want to impose their religious ideals on everyone else.

Only in Robbie's world's would low turns outs equal Rewards..

Robbie · 09-26-2015, 09:10 PM

You are spinning crockett.

Rochard · 09-26-2015, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

Stop being disingenuous. This has NOTHING to do with small government. It's an anti-abortion crusade.

The people Planned Parenthood reaches out to don't have family doctors they've been seeing for years that they can confide in whether they're covered by Obamacare or not. These kids know that Planned Parenthood provides counseling for exactly their situations, they can reach out to PP without embarrassment or shame.

And stop invoking the Founding Fathers, they were extremely rational men that you insult with your irrational wacko belief that if they were resurrected from their graves that they would think and behave as if they were still stuck in the 18th century.

That is perfectly said.

This is an anti-abortion crusade. The entire abortion debate is one that has been fought. This battle the Republicans tried to wage is more of the same, and this lost yet again. Not only did they not stop funding for Planned Parenthood, but it seems the Republicans have failed to force a shut down of the government. They painted themselves into a corner again and no matter what happened they would have come out with mud on their face. Best case was no funding for Planned Parenthood, which would have resulted in millions of young woman having no place to turn to for ANY kind of prenatal medical treatment.

GregE · 09-27-2015, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

None. We have ObamaCare for everyone now. There is no need for the Feds to be funding a private business. Especially now with ObamaCare.

Not necessarily. Lots of people are too poor to qualify for Obamacare, but too "rich" for medicaid. Hence, most of them have no insurance whatsoever. They're the ones who would suffer the most if Planned Parenthood was deep-sixed.

Robbie · 09-27-2015, 11:27 AM

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Not necessarily. Lots of people are too poor to qualify for Obamacare, but too "rich" for medicaid. Hence, most of them have no insurance whatsoever. They're the ones who would suffer the most if Planned Parenthood was deep-sixed.

Wait a minute...I thought that ObamaCare covered everybody. If you were "too poor" to pay for you own insurance...the govt. subsidizes it for you.

And there was a crazy thing that people used to believe back when I was young: It was called "Personal responsibility".
What a strange concept.

People could actually use birth control methods instead of just fucking bareback with no birth control pill or condom. And then NOT have children that they can't afford.

Then there would be zero chance of anybody having to "suffer" as you put it.

But then...they wouldn't be able to get those govt. checks for those children now would they?

Also...I would like to point out that the govt. de-funding Planned Parenthood would NOT "deep six" it.
The company makes plenty of money and would still continue to operate just fine. Some of the high paid executives of Planned Parenthood might have to scale back their huge salaries and their lifestyle a bit though.

Sly · 09-27-2015, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

The company makes plenty of money and would still continue to operate just fine. Some of the high paid executives of Planned Parenthood might have to scale back their huge salaries and their lifestyle a bit though.

I was curious, did some quick checking. The CEO makes just under $600k. The managers of the individual affiliates salaries are listed below. Not too shabby.

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The salary figures were taken from official IRS forms 990. The report shows that the average annual salary for an affiliate PP CEO is $186,071, with 87 percent of them making over $100,000, 37 percent making over $200,000, and 13 percent making over $300,000.

There is a Planned Parenthood in my hometown, roughly 60,000 people. I'm trying to see what that CEO makes but cannot find it, if that person makes over $100k that is a very nice salary in that area. Although if you read that quote again, it looks like 13% of them do not make the six figure mark.

epitome · 09-27-2015, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i'm sure there were some crocodile tears involved.

nevertheless, Americans don't need to be spending $500 million a year on planned parenthood. pp would do just fine without the funding.

I have a hard time taking anyone with Kid Rock in their avatar seriously, but here goes...

Planned Parenthood is a conservative's wet dream. All of those abortions lower welfare. Planned Parenthood tends to have locations in poorer areas.

They also will not "do just fine" without the funding. Federal funding accounts for about a third of their budget. I have first hand experience here as my company printed and mailed their giving campaigns. I was the account executive, which means I met with their senior Baltimore management quite often. People do not give as much as you'd imagine and PP provides services regardless of one's ability to pay.

From wiki:

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PPFA is the largest provider of reproductive health services in the United States, with clinical interactions focused on breast and cervical cancer screening, HIV screening and counseling, contraception, and abortion. PPFA performs roughly 300,000 abortions annually, among the 3 million people the organization serves.

They've received federal funding since 1970. Guess who started it? Republican Richard Nixon. Republicans passed it because they saw it as a way to keep people off welfare.

epitome · 09-27-2015, 12:08 PM

We're talking about $500 million a year for a program that does good, when we waste hundreds of billions on absolutely nothing.

Once again, this is the far right corrupting our government. Roe v. Wade settled the abortion issue. We're supposed to have separation of church and state.

Yet the religious right is trying to shut down the government over $500 million in a $3.9 TRILLION federal budget.

Government shutdowns cost money. We could be looking at another $24 billion in costs over a $500 million line item the religious right is curious over. Fucking ridiculous.

Here is a great article on it.

Rochard · 09-27-2015, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Wait a minute...I thought that ObamaCare covered everybody. If you were "too poor" to pay for you own insurance...the govt. subsidizes it for you.

Although we now have more Americans than ever before who have healthcare, ten percent of Americans do not have healthcare. You have to remember that at any given point in time, a certain percentage of people will not have healthcare - college students, people unemployed, homeless, people in transition.

One would imagine that the people most likely to use Planned Parenthood would be the same people who would most likely not have healthcare.

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And there was a crazy thing that people used to believe back when I was young: It was called "Personal responsibility".
What a strange concept.

People could actually use birth control methods instead of just fucking bareback with no birth control pill or condom. And then NOT have children that they can't afford.

Then there would be zero chance of anybody having to "suffer" as you put it.

I would argue just the opposite really. When "our generation" was younger there was no "personal responsibility" and birth control was rather limited and difficult to get. Our generation created latchkey children and single parents and saw the rise of HIV and AIDS.

And telling people not to have babies they cannot afford is a bit silly. It's not that people cannot afford to have babies, but more that they don't want to. For some people they might believe they are two young or too focused on their careers, yet others might be older, married, and maybe they just don't want another kid. Yet other people are not married and do not want to have a child out of wedlock, or perhaps they don't want to have a child with their current mate for what ever reason.

Also, birth control is not 100% effective. What if you are on birth control, did everything right, and still had a baby?

These are highly personal decisions that people need to make - but someone else's beliefs should not decide what a young woman does with their body.

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Also...I would like to point out that the govt. de-funding Planned Parenthood would NOT "deep six" it.
The company makes plenty of money and would still continue to operate just fine. Some of the high paid executives of Planned Parenthood might have to scale back their huge salaries and their lifestyle a bit though.

I don't know how much Planned Parenthood makes or how much their management staff makes. Just seems to me like it should be common sense our government should support an organization that helps people who fall through the cracks. Help them now, or pay to support them later.

If we want to have a serious argument about if the government should financially support Planned Parenthood, we should have that discussion for the right reasons - not because a group of people who do not believe in abortion made a video using a prematurely born baby while claiming it was an abortion while an imaginary doctor's voice says "let's keep the baby alive so we can use it's heart". This video was a complete fabrication and it's stunning that people believe it.

jimmycooper · 09-27-2015, 02:03 PM

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They've received federal funding since 1970. Guess who started it? Republican Richard Nixon. Republicans passed it because they saw it as a way to keep people off welfare.

yes, as i was alluding to earlier. seems no one has a metric, though.

jimmycooper · 09-27-2015, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

If we want to have a serious argument about if the government should financially support Planned Parenthood, we should have that discussion for the right reasons - not because a group of people who do not believe in abortion made a video using a prematurely born baby while claiming it was an abortion while an imaginary doctor's voice says "let's keep the baby alive so we can use it's heart". This video was a complete fabrication and it's stunning that people believe it.

Indeed. I wonder what the founding fathers would think of said video. Maybe Robbie can channel them for us again.

SuckOnThis · 09-27-2015, 02:09 PM

Right wingers on the wrong side of history AGAIN.

Robbie · 09-27-2015, 02:50 PM

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Indeed. I wonder what the founding fathers would think of said video. Maybe Robbie can channel them for us again.

I don't presume to try and guess what the founding fathers would have thought of social issues. Quite frankly they were very liberal minded on those matters. Especially Jefferson and Ben Franklin.

What I DO know is that they believed in a limited federal govt. and the citizens having control over their own lives.

If you don't believe that and think the govt. is supposed to be a "nanny state" and fund everything for people...that is your right.

But being a smartass to me and trying to say I'm "channeling" the founding fathers so you can feel good about your opinion is just stupid.
Our country was founded on certain enduring principals of thought.

Yes, the details change over time. But the core base of it remains true. And I do believe that the Founding Fathers would be disgusted by what has happened to their vision of a "New World Order" in which the people would be in charge as opposed to being ruled over by the govt.

jimmycooper · 09-27-2015, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I don't presume to try and guess what the founding fathers would have thought of social issues. Quite frankly they were very liberal minded on those matters. Especially Jefferson and Ben Franklin.

What I DO know is that they believed in a limited federal govt. and the citizens having control over their own lives.

If you don't believe that and think the govt. is supposed to be a "nanny state" and fund everything for people...that is your right.

But being a smartass to me and trying to say I'm "channeling" the founding fathers so you can feel good about your opinion is just stupid.
Our country was founded on certain enduring principals of thought.

Yes, the details change over time. But the core base of it remains true. And I do believe that the Founding Fathers would be disgusted by what has happened to their vision of a "New World Order" in which the people would be in charge as opposed to being ruled over by the govt.

One thing I can say with certainty is that you are 100% dead wrong in saying I 'tried' to say you were channelling the founding fathers 'so i could fell good about my opinion'. What makes you think I was trying to feel good about my opinion? Hell, I'm not even sure what my motivation was in making the comment. Maybe I was just trying to pass the time and make a little conversation, it's really hard to say, but I do know for a fact that it was not 'so I could feel good about my opinion'. Making the comment had absolutely no bearing whatsoever on 'how I feel about my opinion', whatever that opinion may be. So you made a blatantly incorrect assumption as to the reasoning behind my statement. That is a fact. Now tell me, if in a conversation including both you and I on a shared forum in 2015, you cannot make a correct assumption as to what I am saying, how am I or is anyone supposed to believe that you'd be able to correctly interpret what the founding fathers said over 200 years ago in what was a vastly different culture? And even if you could, why would it matter?

Rochard · 09-27-2015, 05:17 PM

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What I DO know is that they believed in a limited federal govt. and the citizens having control over their own lives.

That's ironic.

This is exactly what this discussion is all about - letting women have controls over their body. Not trying to shut down Planned Parenthood, who, in the ultimate irony, is EXACTLY what Planned Parenthood does. Planned Parenthood doesn't say "Oh, you got knocked up, let's have an abortion". Planned Parenthood helps young mothers make educated decisions, and help with breast and cervical cancer screening, HIV screening and counseling,and contraception.

Why would anyone want to shut down that down or not fund them?

Ribbet Hog · 09-27-2015, 05:18 PM

Fuck Ya...

Robbie · 09-27-2015, 08:15 PM

jimmycooper I have no fucking idea what you are trying to say. lol

And I don't really give a damn either. You made a smartass comment to me in which YOU assumed things about me.
I could really give a damn what you think about my thoughts. Hope that's good enough for you.

I don't want to argue with you, but then again...I didn't enter a discussion and make a post trying to make you look foolish. You did that to me for absolutely no reason.

I have said what I believe. I am for smaller govt., more freedom, less govt. telling us how to live our lives, and less of the govt. invading other countries and in a constant state of war.

Pretty sure my feelings on govt. are in the same ballpark as the men who founded our country and wrote the constitution.
Doesn't matter if you don't think so. Doesn't matter if you think that the Founding Fathers would be perfectly happy with the govt. we have now.

I am more than happy to discuss issues and debate, and even bust balls back and forth. I'm just a little perplexed that you decided to get all personal with me out of the blue and try to insinuate something about me that isn't true.

Robbie · 09-27-2015, 08:21 PM

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That's ironic.

This is exactly what this discussion is all about - letting women have controls over their body. Not trying to shut down Planned Parenthood, who, in the ultimate irony, is EXACTLY what Planned Parenthood does. Planned Parenthood doesn't say "Oh, you got knocked up, let's have an abortion". Planned Parenthood helps young mothers make educated decisions, and help with breast and cervical cancer screening, HIV screening and counseling,and contraception.

Why would anyone want to shut down that down or not fund them?

I have you on ignore...but decided to look at what you typed.

Number one: The Federal Govt. has no business funding these types of things. I don't care what they do.

Also...Planned Parenthood does indeed "help" with breast cancer. You know how they "help"? Of course you don't. Because you haven't bothered to use Google to find out.

They REFER women to a doctor to get a mammogram. Planned Parenthood doesn't do those.
In other words...most women would simply ask their own gynecologist who to see OR do search for facilities that do mammograms. BUT...some women do go to Planned Parenthood under the mistaken idea that they do them, then they get sent to a place that actually DOES it.

And yes...they still have to use their ObamaCare to pay for it.

Bottom line is...is Planned Parenthood a "good" thing. Yeah, I think so.

Should the taxpayers being paying for it? Hell no. Our govt. not only should not pay for it, but the govt. has an 18 TRILLION dollar debt and needs to stop spending money.

crockett · 09-28-2015, 09:02 AM

The funny thing about his resignation, is its now very clear (as if it wasn't already to anyone with a brain) that the Republican Party is completely dysfunctional. In fact, I can remember Robbie and a few other far right radicals here on GFY tell everyone how the govt shut down was Obama's fault and generally how anytime he' couldn't come to agreement with Republicans it was his fault.. (It's never a 2 way street, Republicans have no blame in Robbie's world only Obama, Obama)

This just shows how out of touch with reality Robbie is, as even the Republican Party can't work with one another, much less can Obama work with them. It seems half the Republicans are in la la land with Robbie and can't find their head from their asshole..

Meanwhile just like in this topic, Robbie can't stop whining about Obama, planned parenthood or what ever the current right wing fake outrage is for this month. It's welcome to Robbie's world, where what ever the right whine of the week is, gets blamed for everything..

I'm betting Robbie stands outside of post offices on weekend carrying the Obama with the Hitler mustache posters...

Robbie · 09-28-2015, 09:56 AM

Damn you are obsessed with me aren't you crockett. lol

"far right radical"? LOL!

Yeah, that's me...the guy who is pro-choice, anti-drug war, and an actual pornographer.

"crockett science" at it's finest!

ilnjscb · 09-28-2015, 10:10 AM

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The funny thing about his resignation, is its now very clear (as if it wasn't already to anyone with a brain) that the Republican Party is completely dysfunctional. In fact, I can remember Robbie and a few other far right radicals here on GFY tell everyone how the govt shut down was Obama's fault and generally how anytime he' couldn't come to agreement with Republicans it was his fault.. (It's never a 2 way street, Republicans have no blame in Robbie's world only Obama, Obama)

This just shows how out of touch with reality Robbie is, as even the Republican Party can't work with one another, much less can Obama work with them. It seems half the Republicans are in la la land with Robbie and can't find their head from their asshole..

Meanwhile just like in this topic, Robbie can't stop whining about Obama, planned parenthood or what ever the current right wing fake outrage is for this month. It's welcome to Robbie's world, where what ever the right whine of the week is, gets blamed for everything..

I'm betting Robbie stands outside of post offices on weekend carrying the Obama with the Hitler mustache posters...

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Damn you are obsessed with me aren't you crockett. lol

"far right radical"? LOL!

Yeah, that's me...the guy who is pro-choice, anti-drug war, and an actual pornographer.

"crockett science" at it's finest!

Crockett my bro have you ever met a real far right radical? In real life? I have, and they are not anything like Robbie or anyone on this board (based solely on what is posted). I consider you a somewhat reasonable, mid-stream, average liberal based on your positions and debate methodology. Have you ever met a hard-core far left radical? Seek either one out sometime, and let us know what you think.

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AmeliaG · 09-28-2015, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Wait a minute...I thought that ObamaCare covered everybody. If you were "too poor" to pay for you own insurance...the govt. subsidizes it for you.

And there was a crazy thing that people used to believe back when I was young: It was called "Personal responsibility".
What a strange concept.

People could actually use birth control methods instead of just fucking bareback with no birth control pill or condom. And then NOT have children that they can't afford.

Then there would be zero chance of anybody having to "suffer" as you put it.

But then...they wouldn't be able to get those govt. checks for those children now would they?

Also...I would like to point out that the govt. de-funding Planned Parenthood would NOT "deep six" it.
The company makes plenty of money and would still continue to operate just fine. Some of the high paid executives of Planned Parenthood might have to scale back their huge salaries and their lifestyle a bit though.

Unfortunately, GregE is correct. ACA fails to help people in the "donut hole" of having too much for welfare and too little for ACA subsidy. For example, a writer who just got a $10k advance for a book would have too much cash on hand for most welfare programs, but, without additional income being assured that year, would not qualify for subsidized insurance.

Sly · 09-28-2015, 11:12 AM

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Unfortunately, GregE is correct. ACA fails to help people in the "donut hole" of having too much for welfare and too little for ACA subsidy. For example, a writer who just got a $10k advance for a book would have too much cash on hand for most welfare programs, but, without additional income being assured that year, would not qualify for subsidized insurance.

Many of the "welfare" style programs seem to be set up in a similar fashion.

Picture a little kid that falls into a well and his older brother is on top. The older brother reaches out his hand for the younger brother to pull himself up. Just as the younger brother is near the top, the older brother shouts "you got this far, figure out the rest!" Without that hand to grip onto and nothing else in sight, the younger brother falls back into the well. Older brother comes back a few minutes later "hey what are you doing down there, I helped you out!" Reaches down. Younger brother climbs up. Older brother walks away. Rinse and repeat.

crockett · 09-28-2015, 11:14 AM

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Crockett my bro have you ever met a real far right radical? In real life? I have, and they are not anything like Robbie or anyone on this board (based solely on what is posted). I consider you a somewhat reasonable, mid-stream, average liberal based on your positions and debate methodology. Have you ever met a hard-core far left radical? Seek either one out sometime, and let us know what you think.

Radical Right or Radical left doesn't have to consume everything about someone, they can be normal in most aspects then have completely off the wall ideas about certain topics..

Not every person who is a radical right wingers is running around playing GiJoe with his local militia preparing for when Obama sends FEMA to put them in camps and take away their guns..

Radical Right or left is also a person's views.. Example Ted Cruze is one of the Radical Right members in Congress. Sure he is t crazy on every issue, but yes he certainly is on quite a few..

The entire Benghazi ordeal, the non stop trying to do away with Obamacare.. The fake outrage because Hillary used her own mail server.. The denial of global warming ect..ect..This is all the mindset of radical right wingers.

Robbie is one of the first in line to jump on the bandwagon of every new right wing outrage.

Example of radical left wingers would be the people who want to ban all guns or groups like peta.

Obviously you don't have to run around the woods naked saving trees or throw paint on woman in fur coats to have radical left wing views.. Just the same as you don't have to be some anti govt loon wearing camouflage and carrying a m16 to be a radical right wing views

The diffrence of the two, is the radical right wing views have become mainstream within the Republican Party and their so called independent fan boys.. You don't see the same radicalization of the left.

crockett · 09-28-2015, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Unfortunately, GregE is correct. ACA fails to help people in the "donut hole" of having too much for welfare and too little for ACA subsidy. For example, a writer who just got a $10k advance for a book would have too much cash on hand for most welfare programs, but, without additional income being assured that year, would not qualify for subsidized insurance.

ACA is far from perfect, but just think if instead of spending 5 years trying to fight it in congress, just think if Republicans had said.. Hey let's help fix it.

nope they won't do that, it's much easy to create fake outrage about how socialist Obama is. For daring to "try" and create a working healthcare system in this country that is affordable for most..

Maybe instead of bitching and whining , Republicans should get off their asses and try to help solve the problems, instead of creating more.

Rochard · 09-28-2015, 11:19 AM

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Number one: The Federal Govt. has no business funding these types of things. I don't care what they do.

It's pretty simple - pay for it now or pay for it later. Young women who do not have medical benefits who need medical assistance have some place to go. This organization, partially funded by the governments, helps people in need.

We shouldn't be discussing not funding Planned Parenthood, but instead we should be asking why there isn't another organization for young men to provide medical assistance when needed.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Also...Planned Parenthood does indeed "help" with breast cancer. You know how they "help"? Of course you don't. Because you haven't bothered to use Google to find out.

They REFER women to a doctor to get a mammogram. Planned Parenthood doesn't do those.
In other words...most women would simply ask their own gynecologist who to see OR do search for facilities that do mammograms. BUT...some women do go to Planned Parenthood under the mistaken idea that they do them, then they get sent to a place that actually DOES it.

And yes...they still have to use their ObamaCare to pay for it.

Bottom line is...is Planned Parenthood a "good" thing. Yeah, I think so.

Truth be told, being as I am not a young women in need of medical assistance, I did not know much about Planned Parenthood. So I googled them. I ended up on Wikipedia, which at one point earlier in this thread I quoted word for word when I mentioned their services.

Your comments are strictly from the Republican political side of things, in reference to comments Obama made in a debate some time ago and was fact checked. You are correct, they refer people out to other doctors for mammograms. However, Planned Parenthood helps women pay for mammograms and in some cases cover the costs for them.

But Planned Parenthood does a lot of other things. According to their site, they do 400k pap smears a year, and nearly five million medical tests for STDs and HIV.

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Should the taxpayers being paying for it? Hell no. Our govt. not only should not pay for it, but the govt. has an 18 TRILLION dollar debt and needs to stop spending money.

Great, let's stop funding all of the nonsense. We should stop all kinds of welfare and social services. I mean, according to you, all of us should be "responsible" and there is no need for the federal or state governments to be providing housing, green stamps, WIC, etc....

Robbie, I don't know you well, but.... I spent my entire weekend working two large charity events I have been a part of for the past few years. Some times people need help. While I have concerns about entire families being raised on welfare and living in section eight housing, sometimes people need short term help. Our government is here to support us, and support those in need; If we can afford to give billions and billions of dollars to other countries surely we can afford $500 million a year for medical support for those in need.

crockett · 09-28-2015, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Damn you are obsessed with me aren't you crockett. lol

"far right radical"? LOL!

Yeah, that's me...the guy who is pro-choice, anti-drug war, and an actual pornographer.

"crockett science" at it's finest!

It's amazing Robbie dindu nuttins, I mean you didn't come in right off the bat attacking me oh no..

Rochard · 09-28-2015, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

The funny thing about his resignation, is its now very clear (as if it wasn't already to anyone with a brain) that the Republican Party is completely dysfunctional. In fact, I can remember Robbie and a few other far right radicals here on GFY tell everyone how the govt shut down was Obama's fault and generally how anytime he' couldn't come to agreement with Republicans it was his fault.. (It's never a 2 way street, Republicans have no blame in Robbie's world only Obama, Obama)

Oh, it's very clear that the Republican party is having huge problems. They themselves know they need to court two demographics - women and Hispanics. Instead, their front runner has completely pissed off both groups. I mean, what kind of candidate says "Mexcians are rapists"?

crockett · 09-28-2015, 12:50 PM

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Oh, it's very clear that the Republican party is having huge problems. They themselves know they need to court two demographics - women and Hispanics. Instead, their front runner has completely pissed off both groups. I mean, what kind of candidate says "Mexcians are rapists"?

Imagine if they just did their jobs instead of courting specific groups while purposely alienating other groups.

Of course if they just did that, they would never get support from the Atta boy conservatives who just want them to complain about Obama..

2MuchMark · 09-28-2015, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

That's ironic.

This is exactly what this discussion is all about - letting women have controls over their body. Not trying to shut down Planned Parenthood, who, in the ultimate irony, is EXACTLY what Planned Parenthood does. Planned Parenthood doesn't say "Oh, you got knocked up, let's have an abortion". Planned Parenthood helps young mothers make educated decisions, and help with breast and cervical cancer screening, HIV screening and counseling,and contraception.

Why would anyone want to shut down that down or not fund them?

YOU, sir, are well read.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I have you on ignore...but decided to look at what you typed.

Then, it means you don't really want to ignore him. Ignore him or not its your choice, but really you should just not use the ignore feature if you're going to go around it anyway.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Bottom line is...is Planned Parenthood a "good" thing. Yeah, I think so.

Should the taxpayers being paying for it? Hell no. Our govt. not only should not pay for it, but the govt. has an 18 TRILLION dollar debt and needs to stop spending money.

Robby I don't know if what you said above is true, but for the moment let's just say that it is. The screening and costs associated with the care they give is very high and unaffordable for most people. *Of course* the government should pay for it.

Yes the debt is high at 18 Trillion but managing the debt, just like managing your personal or commercial debt, needs to be done very carefully, and not at the cost of human lives.

JustDaveXxx · 09-28-2015, 01:22 PM

Im not a fan of any of these politicians!!

I got $100 saying that this clown is resigning because some tranny or dude he banged is about to drop a bomb on his political career.

There is nothing I love more that watching these "Telling us how to live" politicians getting caught doing that very thing they are against.

Love shit like this:

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Robbie · 09-28-2015, 01:59 PM

Didn't think about that one Dave...you're probably right!

ilnjscb · 09-28-2015, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Radical Right or Radical left doesn't have to consume everything about someone, they can be normal in most aspects then have completely off the wall ideas about certain topics..

Not every person who is a radical right wingers is running around playing GiJoe with his local militia preparing for when Obama sends FEMA to put them in camps and take away their guns..

Radical Right or left is also a person's views.. Example Ted Cruze is one of the Radical Right members in Congress. Sure he is t crazy on every issue, but yes he certainly is on quite a few..

The entire Benghazi ordeal, the non stop trying to do away with Obamacare.. The fake outrage because Hillary used her own mail server.. The denial of global warming ect..ect..This is all the mindset of radical right wingers.

Robbie is one of the first in line to jump on the bandwagon of every new right wing outrage.

Example of radical left wingers would be the people who want to ban all guns or groups like peta.

Obviously you don't have to run around the woods naked saving trees or throw paint on woman in fur coats to have radical left wing views.. Just the same as you don't have to be some anti govt loon wearing camouflage and carrying a m16 to be a radical right wing views

The diffrence of the two, is the radical right wing views have become mainstream within the Republican Party and their so called independent fan boys.. You don't see the same radicalization of the left.

Radical is a nice way to say "extreme" - it is defined in the political world as someone who supports extreme political views. I don't see you as extreme, but perhaps some would.

"An average 43% of Americans identified politically as independents in 2014, establishing a new high in Gallup telephone poll trends back to 1988. In terms of national identification with the two major parties, Democrats continued to hold a modest edge over Republicans, 30% to 26%."

So the extremes in the dem party support, perhaps, jailing or even execution of the rich assholes who collapsed the financial system. Others say that there can't be such a thing as racism against white people, failing to understand that that statement in itself is in fact racism. Another may (and did) advocate Barack Obama having a 3rd term against constitutional law. Sometimes extreme is stupid, sometimes just dangerous.

Provocateurs are not extreme, they just say they are. Most extreme people on the internet are provocateurs, rather than true believers.

Robbie is not extreme. He is not even a middle of the road republican. He is not a radical republican in his actions, his words, or, I suspect, his thoughts. Although I'm trying to imagine what Robbie thinks and it is not a healthy exercise - I don't recommend it.

Most of us are independants; some like me who tend to support dems, some who want the system to stay locked so neither party can implement its nightmare visions of dystopian society. I'd tend to put Robbie there, in the right leaning independent section.

Enough channeling the grand Paul Markham - wall of text over.

Rochard · 09-28-2015, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Imagine if they just did their jobs instead of courting specific groups while purposely alienating other groups.

Of course if they just did that, they would never get support from the Atta boy conservatives who just want them to complain about Obama..

This is what blows my mind.... Why are we even having this conversation? Why is the Republican party pushing this agenda? For the love of all things holy, why is the Republican party even considering our government down for any reason no less about not funding a charity organization for all of the wrong reasons.

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09-27-2015, 08:15 PM	#82
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	jimmycooper I have no fucking idea what you are trying to say. lol And I don't really give a damn either. You made a smartass comment to me in which YOU assumed things about me. I could really give a damn what you think about my thoughts. Hope that's good enough for you. I don't want to argue with you, but then again...I didn't enter a discussion and make a post trying to make you look foolish. You did that to me for absolutely no reason. I have said what I believe. I am for smaller govt., more freedom, less govt. telling us how to live our lives, and less of the govt. invading other countries and in a constant state of war. Pretty sure my feelings on govt. are in the same ballpark as the men who founded our country and wrote the constitution. Doesn't matter if you don't think so. Doesn't matter if you think that the Founding Fathers would be perfectly happy with the govt. we have now. I am more than happy to discuss issues and debate, and even bust balls back and forth. I'm just a little perplexed that you decided to get all personal with me out of the blue and try to insinuate something about me that isn't true. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

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epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,158	We're talking about $500 million a year for a program that does good, when we waste hundreds of billions on absolutely nothing. Once again, this is the far right corrupting our government. Roe v. Wade settled the abortion issue. We're supposed to have separation of church and state. Yet the religious right is trying to shut down the government over $500 million in a $3.9 TRILLION federal budget. Government shutdowns cost money. We could be looking at another $24 billion in costs over a $500 million line item the religious right is curious over. Fucking ridiculous. Here is a great article on it.

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09-28-2015, 09:02 AM	#84
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	The funny thing about his resignation, is its now very clear (as if it wasn't already to anyone with a brain) that the Republican Party is completely dysfunctional. In fact, I can remember Robbie and a few other far right radicals here on GFY tell everyone how the govt shut down was Obama's fault and generally how anytime he' couldn't come to agreement with Republicans it was his fault.. (It's never a 2 way street, Republicans have no blame in Robbie's world only Obama, Obama) This just shows how out of touch with reality Robbie is, as even the Republican Party can't work with one another, much less can Obama work with them. It seems half the Republicans are in la la land with Robbie and can't find their head from their asshole.. Meanwhile just like in this topic, Robbie can't stop whining about Obama, planned parenthood or what ever the current right wing fake outrage is for this month. It's welcome to Robbie's world, where what ever the right whine of the week is, gets blamed for everything.. I'm betting Robbie stands outside of post offices on weekend carrying the Obama with the Hitler mustache posters...

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