News MH-17 shot down by Putin

[baddog]

Sorry commies; finger points at you.

[EddyTheDog]

I'm starting to regret spending that money I hid under the mattress...

[dyna mo]

and people think BO letting putie ruskies into syria is a-ok.

[SilentKnight]

I kinda' thought it was a foregone conclusion awhile back.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

I kinda' thought it was a foregone conclusion awhile back.

Confirmed today; but you are right.

[SBJ]

I blame rocky 4 for this

[Rochard]

Nothing new at all. We all knew this.

[ZiggiZiggiCrew]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Nothing new at all. We all knew this.

[klinton]

I love when someone puts "commies" and "Rooskies" in the same sentence now these days. it marks good how retarded and far out he is

Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew

[ZiggiZiggiCrew]

where Pootin?

[ZiggiZiggiCrew]

Air Flight 655 shot down by Reagan

MH17 tragedy brings back memories of Iran Air Flight 655 | National Post

Sorry imperialists; finger points at you

[_Richard_]

i don't understand how:

'None of the parties involved recognized the risk posed to overflying civil aircraft by the armed conflict in the eastern part of Ukraine'

becomes something to do with russia.. if rebels shot it down, fine. the ukrainians were still running flights through the area. that's responsibility.

furthermore, have they released the cockpit conversations yet? or are those still 'classified'

[klinton]

Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew

Sorry imperialists

[Dmcontent]

Full report can be found here

http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documen...7-crash-en.pdf

[Dmcontent]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

.....

furthermore, have they released the cockpit conversations yet? or are those still 'classified'

Cockpit conversations are never released by law, only transcripts of the same if requested.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Dmcontent

Cockpit conversations are never released by law, only transcripts of the same if requested.

also what conversation could there be - they were flying normally and not suspecting anything - then the explosion killed them instantly - there was not even time for "oh, shit"

even the Russians say now it was a BUK, they only argue over where it came from

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

also what conversation could there be - they were flying normally and not suspecting anything - then the explosion killed them instantly - there was not even time for "oh, shit"

even the Russians say now it was a BUK, they only argue over where it came from

BUK usually does not kill anybody instantly. The missile flies from above and explodes on the way of the plane (it does not hit it directly). After the explosion the aircraft... continues its flight, and only after about 3 seconds it gets tired into pieces by the air flow. That's how BUK missiles work.

As about MH-17, it doesn't matter who has shot it down by the Ukrainian army supported by NATO or by Ukrainian rebels supported by Russia. In both cases the responsibility is on the Ukraine, because it was a fuckin' war zone. Who in a sane mind will guide a civilian aircraft over it? The missile was launched from the Ukrainian territory and that's officially now.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

BUK usually does not kill anybody instantly. The missile flies from above and explodes on the way of the plane (it does not hit it directly). After the explosion the aircraft... continues its flight, and only after about 3 seconds it gets tired into pieces by the air flow. That's how BUK missiles work.

As about MH-17, it doesn't matter who has shot it down by the Ukrainian army supported by NATO or by Ukrainian rebels supported by Russia. In both cases the responsibility is on the Ukraine, because it was a fuckin' war zone. Who in a sane mind will guide a civilian aircraft over it? The missile was launched from the Ukrainian territory and that's officially now.

you should read the report instead of trying to lecture me

[Mediamix]

It isn't confirmed that Putin had anything to do with it..
They suspect it, but it hasn't been proven..

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

you should read the report instead of trying to lecture me

If it has ANYTHING to to with Russia he knows everything.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

you should read the report instead of trying to lecture me

I did, but it seems you didn't

Originally Posted by L-Pink

If it has ANYTHING to to with Russia he knows everything.

Here is another stupid comment from an uneducated person who believes that Ukraine is still a part of Russia. The report says it exactly: the missile was launched from Snezhy which is located on the Ukrainian territory. Furthermore, on the moment of crash the aircraft was guided by the Ukrainian operators. Look at the world map already, don't be that stupid.

P.S. Yes, I know it better when it's related to Russia. At least I know that Ukraine is not a part of my country. You don't.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

I did, but it seems you didn't



Here is another stupid comment from an uneducated person who believes that Ukraine is still a part of Russia. The report says it exactly: the missile was launched from Snezhy which is located on the Ukrainian territory. Furthermore, on the moment of crash the aircraft was guided by the Ukrainian operators. Look at the world map already, don't be that stupid.

P.S. Yes, I know it better when it's related to Russia. At least I know that Ukraine is not a part of my country. You don't.

What the fuck are you rambling about now? Geography never came up in my post. Only your constant stupid posts about Russia. Talk about an idiot.

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[just a punk]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

What the fuck are you rambling about now? Geography never came up in my post. Only your constant stupid posts about Russia. Talk about an idiot.

How a clueless moron like you can call me an idiot? Got get a brain, clown.

P.S. Your obsession with Russia is a bit annoying. Go post to the topics dedicated to your 3rd-world hole.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

How a clueless moron like you can call me an idiot? Got get a brain, clown.

P.S. Your obsession with Russia is a bit annoying. Go post to the topics dedicated to your 3rd-world shithole.

Russia good, America bad. We get it already.

[P.ENNIS]

This is the first time I m hearing this. Really surprised.

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

BUK usually does not kill anybody instantly. The missile flies from above and explodes on the way of the plane (it does not hit it directly). After the explosion the aircraft... continues its flight, and only after about 3 seconds it gets tired into pieces by the air flow. That's how BUK missiles work.

As about MH-17, it doesn't matter who has shot it down by the Ukrainian army supported by NATO or by Ukrainian rebels supported by Russia. In both cases the responsibility is on the Ukraine, because it was a fuckin' war zone. Who in a sane mind will guide a civilian aircraft over it? The missile was launched from the Ukrainian territory and that's officially now.

You just told everything I wanted to write. thank you for saving me time.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

I did, but it seems you didn't

then you have either problems reading or comprehending.

this is the flight recorder result:



it doesn't matter shit if the rest of the plane was flying for 3 more seconds or not - the Buk exploded right next to the cockpit and took out the pilots in 20 milliseconds.

and that's why any conspiracy speculations like from Richard about "why is the voice recorder data not published" are nonsense.

and that is all i am saying.


what I am THINKING is still that those rebel retards accidentally shot it down, but there is no definite proof

and yes, it was stupid to let civil planes keep flying through that airspace

[Honest-trafficker]

And so they just discovered that now?...
When Russia decided to eliminate Evil from the middle East ; ehehehe
Classic

[Sarn]

July 15, 2014 rebels shot down AN-26 Ukrainian Air Force.
ukraine news channel :
?? ??????? ?? ????????? ??-26 ??????? ??????? ???????? ??????? - ??????? ??????? ?? 1+1 - ???.ua

An 26
Service ceiling(flight height): 7,500 m (24,600 ft)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-26

stinger or other russian analog is shoot in higth 4500 m - max

BUK is shoot in higth up to 14 000-18000 m - max

before rebels say that he have BUK at different information sources, they captured the Ukrainian military base with the air defense

July 17, 2014 Russian television said that the rebels shot down two AN26 Ukrainian armed forces, but it be a Boeing.

[ZiggiZiggiCrew]

Russian propaganda
https://www.rt.com/news/318592-repor...missile-crash/

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

and that's why any conspiracy speculations like from Richard about "why is the voice recorder data not published" are nonsense.

I didn't say that I have some doubts it was BUK. I just mentioned that the missile was launched from the Ukrainian territory and MH17 was guided by the Ukrainian operators. So I have no idea how it could be related to Russia. Blame Ukrainian rebels or Ukrainian army for that (better blame both).

P.S. It's funny when western media call Ukrainians separatists the "Russian rebels". Why don't it calls those CIA-trained Islamists in Syria the "American rebels"? What's the difference?

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

I didn't say that I have some doubts it was BUK. I just mentioned that the missile was launched from the Ukrainian territory and MH17 was guided by the Ukrainian operators. So I have no idea how it could be related to Russia. Blame Ukrainian rebels or Ukrainian army for that (better blame both).

P.S. It's funny when western media call Ukrainians separatists the "Russian rebels". Why don't it calls those CIA-trained Islamists in Syria the "American rebels"? What's the difference?

Do i really always need to help you recalling what was said earlier?

Me:

also what conversation could there be - they were flying normally and not suspecting anything - then the explosion killed them instantly - there was not even time for "oh, shit"

you:

BUK usually does not kill anybody instantly. The missile flies from above and explodes on the way of the plane (it does not hit it directly). After the explosion the aircraft... continues its flight, and only after about 3 seconds it gets tired into pieces by the air flow. That's how BUK missiles work.

Investigation:

Pilots dead within 20 milliseconds - then plane broke into several parts

conclusion: no conspiracy about what pilots were saying

i seriously can't dumb this down any more than that

[j3rkules]

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Russia good, America bad. We get it already.

Why you fuck telling bad? Ah? Must be your poor education in USA. I feel sorry for you. Everyone smart know that Russian rockets go "boom-boom-pow" and american "boom-pow-boom". If you listen careful you see that it was not Russian. You stupid fat American. Even my wife Olga laugh hard at you. My wall rugs have more brain than any american. Feel sorry for you and trailer parks trash.

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

How a clueless moron like you can call me an idiot? Got get a brain, clown.

P.S. Your obsession with Russia is a bit annoying. Go post to the topics dedicated to your 3rd-world hole.

If anyone is obsessed over a country its you and that serbian idiot.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Bryan G

If anyone is obsessed over a country its you and that serbian idiot.

sorry to comment on the USA that minds it own business and gets trashed for no reason





look at that map and tell me its not amusing

[crockett]

Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew

Air Flight 655 shot down by Reagan

MH17 tragedy brings back memories of Iran Air Flight 655 | National Post

Sorry imperialists; finger points at you

Why do you dumb Russians always try to make everything you do wrong into a compitition with the U.S.? It's like you all suffer from having the mentality of a 5 year old. I guess this is the result of most of your population being drunks as you are easy to brainwash.

When the U.S. Fucks up, like recently we bombed that hospital, you don't see Americans on this board trying to shift blame or point fingers at dumb shit Russians did.

Do you not realize how fucking stupid you look when you guys do this?

[klinton]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Why you fuck telling bad? Ah? Must be your poor education in USA. I feel sorry for you. Everyone smart know that Russian rockets go "boom-boom-pow" and american "boom-pow-boom". If you listen careful you see that it was not Russian. You stupid fat American. Even my wife Olga laugh hard at you. My wall rugs have more brain than any american. Feel sorry for you and trailer parks trash.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by crockett

Why do you dumb Russians always try to make everything you do wrong into a compitition with the U.S.? It's like you all suffer from having the mentality of a 5 year old. I guess this is the result of most of your population being drunks as you are easy to brainwash.

When the U.S. Fucks up, like recently we bombed that hospital, you don't see Americans on this board trying to shift blame or point fingers at dumb shit Russians did.

Do you not realize how fucking stupid you look when you guys do this?

Perfectly stated.

[TCLGirls]

[Ferus]

Fact:
- BUK are produced by russian Company Almaz-Antej
- The BUK was supplied by Almaz-Antej to the Ukraine armed forces
- A BUK missile system was reported stole(missing) from a Ukraine base shortly before the attack
- Fired from an area mostly controlled by the Rebels (majority pro-russian)
- Most likely fired by rebels formerly part of the ukraine armed forces

How the fuck that becomes = fired by Putin?

So every school shooting in the US = Kids shot by Obama because he is in charge of the nation producing the firearms?

It's a shitty and dirty civil war going on over there, that most of you clearly have problems grasping the complexity of.

... what a bunch of simpleminded mediacontrolled sheeps you have turned into!

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Ferus

Fact:
- BUK are produced by russian Company Almaz-Antej
- The BUK was supplied by Almaz-Antej to the Ukraine armed forces
- A BUK missile system was reported stole(missing) from a Ukraine base shortly before the attack
- Fired from an area mostly controlled by the Rebels (majority pro-russian)
- Most likely fired by rebels formerly part of the ukraine armed forces

How the fuck that becomes = fired by Putin?

So every school shooting in the US = Kids shot by Obama because he is in charge of the nation producing the firearms?

It's a shitty and dirty civil war going on over there, that most of you clearly have problems grasping the complexity of.

... what a bunch of simpleminded mediacontrolled sheeps you have turned into!

1. your analogy makes zero sense. a better one would be if syrian rebels shot down a passenger jet with rockets from Obama.

2. prove Putin wasn't in the loop

3. before you go telling people they're sheep about a civil war, you might want to learn about the Putin doctrine.

[Ferus]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

2. prove Putin wasn't in the loop

So unless I prove Putin wasn't in the loop, he is guilty?

How the fuck are anyone suppose to that at this point?

[MaDalton]

for the records: I would never say Putin is responsible for this.

Putin is responsible for supplying the people that do not agree with the Ukrainian government (in case "pro-Russian rebel" is the wrong expression) with supplies and "vacationing" personnel. Which he said himself on TV and which was also confirmed by the former Russian (as in: has Russian nationality/passport) rebel leader Strelkov. Who was also pissed that Putin didn't send more weapons - there is a long interview with him about the whole thing.

and I still think the Buk was captured and used by the unhappy folks (aka rebels) from Eastern Ukraine who screwed up - as heard in that radio (phone?) recording that disappeared and shown on video when they searched through the remains of MH17 and were surprised it's a civil plane.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Ferus

So unless I prove Putin wasn't in the loop, he is guilty?

How the fuck are anyone suppose to that at this point?

you're the one exclaiming he wasn't involved, because "most likely" as you said, he wasn't, therefor, everyone but you is a media mind controlled sheep.

and you may want to look at other areas where a civil war as opened up the door to other countries and nations, such as, you know, Russia in Syria, waltzing their military in and firing off missiles.

[MrBottomTooth]

I'm pretty sure the lumens output in the airplane was subpar, so they brought this on themselves.

[Ferus]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you're the one exclaiming he wasn't involved, because "most likely" as you said, he wasn't, therefor, everyone but you is a media mind controlled sheep.

and you may want to look at other areas where a civil war as opened up the door to other countries and nations, such as, you know, Russia in Syria, waltzing their military in and firing off missiles.

No. I said rebels most likely shut it down. You are the one concluding putin did it, because nobody else can be tied directly to the act. And now you use syria as evidens?

You should join wehatepork,alex jones and david icks team.. lizardmen did it,because you cant prove they dident. Listen to yourself

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Ferus

No. I said rebels most likely shut it down. You are the one concluding putin did it, because nobody else can be tied directly to the act. And now you use syria as evidens?

You should join wehatepork,alex jones and david icks team.. lizardmen did it,because you cant prove they dident. Listen to yourself

i'm trying to be respectful to you, i'd appreciate the same, even though you did start out with the sheep bullshit. i am willing and capable of shifting gears though.

nevertheless, that's what i said you said- that more than likely the rebels shot it down which also mean more than likely Putin did not shoot it down. and that's exactly your assertion, so no, i did not misrepresent your comment.

and you are also wrong assuming i've concluded Putin did it. i've never made that claim. and i mention Syria because it gives factual evidence behind the truth of the matter that civil war in syria allowed Russia to enter there militarily.

there's nothing even remotely conspiratorial in realizing the Putin doctrine exists and is full effect.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

conclusion: no conspiracy about what pilots were saying

i seriously can't dumb this down any more than that

You just don't read what I post. If you look at the this image, you will see that it's a typical "signature" of BUK:



As I said already, the missile moves from above and ahead the target and then explodes. The shrapnel does multiple penetrations in the fuselage which is being teared into pieces by the air flow. There is no conspiracy about it. I also think that MH17 was shot down but BUK. The one which was captured by separatists from the Ukrainian army. But I still can't understand how Russia could be related to that? The Ukrainian army is equipped with BUK systems made in Russia. So what?

[klinton]

..and which is also confirmed by straight common sense, no need for other proofs on this

Originally Posted by MaDalton

with supplies and "vacationing" personnel. Which he said himself on TV and which was also confirmed by the former Russian (as in: has Russian nationality/passport) rebel leader Strelkov. Who was also pissed that Putin didn't send more weapons - there is a long interview with him about the whole thing.