Why Paypal only accepts Epoch and not accept CCBill? - GoFuckYourself.com

vintageadult · 11-27-2015, 03:40 PM

Paypal made a deal with Epoch but why they don't make a deal with CCBill too?

CCBill is also one of the best risk processor in the world like epoch. However paypal only accepts their pilot program for epoch..

Thats strange...

wehateporn · 11-27-2015, 03:45 PM

I think it's just a test

vintageadult · 11-27-2015, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

I think it's just a test

So?

When the test has been completed will they be accept other processors too?

wehateporn · 11-27-2015, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by vintageadult

So?

When the test has been completed will they be accept other processors too?

Depends on their reputation

Toys4Sluts · 11-27-2015, 03:53 PM

Maybe it's because ccbill is known as an adult processer

vintageadult · 11-27-2015, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

Depends on their reputation

Most possible next biller is: CCBill or Segpay etc..?

vintageadult · 11-27-2015, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Toys4Sluts

Maybe it's because ccbill is known as an adult processer

But... Epoch is known as an adult processor too..

PornDude · 11-27-2015, 04:16 PM

It's not a test. You are left in 2014.

j3rkules · 11-28-2015, 06:20 AM

CCBill rocks.

celandina · 11-28-2015, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vintageadult

Paypal made a deal with Epoch but why they don't make a deal with CCBill too?

CCBill is also one of the best risk processor in the world like epoch. However paypal only accepts their pilot program for epoch..

Thats strange...

Epoch's management = Smart, CCBill's etc. = Not so much.

Akin to in the old times , where one transport business made a deal with an automobile company to carry passangers. And the others??? Why should we, we have the best horses in the land, they rock !

tammix · 11-28-2015, 09:09 AM

Im pushing some adult program with paypal as payment option and i tell you I make three times or so more sales, I guess people see they can have more control using pp to avoid extra charges in their cc or recurring charges, they trust more paypal, I hope more programs would use it

2MuchMark · 11-28-2015, 11:16 AM

I'm just taking a guess, but I think Epoch was able to make the deal with Paypal by taking on 100% of the risk. Just a theory of course. I would assume that if this works for Paypal they may start working with other payment processors too, but I would guess that Epoch's agreement with Paypal would stop them from doing this. Just a theory again. Regardless, Epoch's deal with Paypal is epic.

sandman! · 11-28-2015, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

I'm just taking a guess, but I think Epoch was able to make the deal with Paypal by taking on 100% of the risk. Just a theory of course. I would assume that if this works for Paypal they may start working with other payment processors too, but I would guess that Epoch's agreement with Paypal would stop them from doing this. Just a theory again. Regardless, Epoch's deal with Paypal is epic.

RyuLion · 11-28-2015, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

I think it's just a test

I agree.

celandina · 11-29-2015, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RyuLion

I agree.

Wake up and smell the roses

It was a test 18 months ago... Its now done deal....

celandina · 11-29-2015, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

I'm just taking a guess, but I think Epoch was able to make the deal with Paypal by taking on 100% of the risk. Just a theory of course. I would assume that if this works for Paypal they may start working with other payment processors too, but I would guess that Epoch's agreement with Paypal would stop them from doing this. Just a theory again. Regardless, Epoch's deal with Paypal is epic.

Good theory and probably true, but why the others did not do the same thing??? The increase in business surely beats a few crooks

I have talked to a few around here and they are not even trying.... Anyway "why buy a jet plane when you are using the best propellers"

CPA-Rush · 11-29-2015, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tammix

Im pushing some adult program with paypal as payment option and i tell you I make three times or so more sales, I guess people see they can have more control using pp to avoid extra charges in their cc or recurring charges, they trust more paypal, I hope more programs would use it

no genius people don't like to give cc its bigger risk

2MuchMark · 11-29-2015, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by celandina

Good theory and probably true, but why the others did not do the same thing??? The increase in business surely beats a few crooks

I have talked to a few around here and they are not even trying.... Anyway "why buy a jet plane when you are using the best propellers"

Maybe its a provision that Epoch put into the agreement? If Epoch is going to assume the risk, they might tell Paypal they cannot make the same or similar deal with any other billing providers.

If you think about it, it's a big win for Paypal. They can to enjoy the revenues from adult businesses while keeping adult at arms-length too. In this deal, Paypal may have no risk at all. So signing an exclusive deal with Epoch would make sense with them.

I'm also guessing there's a time-limit on the agreement. Maybe after a few years, the agreement expires and then Paypal would be free to explore the possibility with other providers too.

Still - great deal for everyone. I'm impressed.

celandina · 11-29-2015, 02:54 PM

All good points.....but if you ask somebody in CCBill management, they are even do not know that Epoch has PP... Go figure

JasonCollins · 11-30-2015, 02:10 AM

We have been following it very closely and PayPal is aware of our interest. Hopefully soon they open it up for others to offer. If they gave us the API today, we would have it connected within the hour.

lucas · 11-30-2015, 03:32 AM

Because Epoch owner drives Tesla.

celandina · 11-30-2015, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonCollins

We have been following it very closely and PayPal is aware of our interest. Hopefully soon they open it up for others to offer. If they gave us the API today, we would have it connected within the hour.

Jason, if you score paypal you will get a bottle of one of the best Brunellos ( maybe 2006 Conti Costanti) from my cellar and a steak dinner on me anywhere in the world ( even in Amsterdam) yes on me !!!! Its time to knock of this Epoch monopoly

Note this in your diary and collect, but if you are too slow you may get only a Rosso di Moltancino ( because by then I would have drank the Brunello).... The steak dinner is still on until the end of 2016...

So do you want to take this challenge ???

JasonCollins · 12-01-2015, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by celandina

Jason, if you score paypal you will get a bottle of one of the best Brunellos ( maybe 2006 Conti Costanti) from my cellar and a steak dinner on me anywhere in the world ( even in Amsterdam) yes on me !!!! Its time to knock of this Epoch monopoly

Note this in your diary and collect, but if you are too slow you may get only a Rosso di Moltancino ( because by then I would have drank the Brunello).... The steak dinner is still on until the end of 2016...

So do you want to take this challenge ???

It is noted!

The problem is PayPal... I am not sure why they are so reluctant as of yet to open it up to the rest of the market, but the ball is in motion.

vintageadult · 12-01-2015, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonCollins

We have been following it very closely and PayPal is aware of our interest. Hopefully soon they open it up for others to offer. If they gave us the API today, we would have it connected within the hour.

That would be great news.

Somewhat recent changes to policies at PayPal forced that payment processor to abandon the majority of high-risk merchant accounts they serviced, and their collaboration with Epoch is an effort to regain the business lost from those policy changes. May be with other processors too..

Model-Eve · 12-01-2015, 02:46 AM

Well, and why does PayPal not accept using their system for Porn in general? See the terms and conditions ..............

So Epoch having an contract with them, is definitely an infringement of competition law as they give Epoch and their customers a competitive advantage. I sent Paypal a letter what they didn't even answer!!

A big company with the force and money should go to court regarding this matter!

Eve

vintageadult · 12-01-2015, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Model-Eve

Well, and why does PayPal not accept using their system for Porn in general? See the terms and conditions ..............

So Epoch having an contract with them, is definitely an infringement of competition law as they give Epoch and their customers a competitive advantage. I sent Paypal a letter what they didn't even answer!!

A big company with the force and money should go to court regarding this matter!

Eve

Thats true. They did gave a competitive advantage to epoch only.

JFK · 12-01-2015, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by celandina

Wake up and smell the roses

It was a test 18 months ago... Its now done deal....

sinclair · 12-01-2015, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonCollins

We have been following it very closely and PayPal is aware of our interest. Hopefully soon they open it up for others to offer. If they gave us the API today, we would have it connected within the hour.

wehateporn · 12-01-2015, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by PikaPoka

It's not a test. You are left in 2014.

If it's not still in test mode, then why have they not yet either rolled it out to CCBill and the rest, or pulled the service altogether? Unless of course they are going to buy Epoch

marlboroack · 12-01-2015, 08:25 PM

Because you touch yourself

adultmobile · 12-02-2015, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Model-Eve

So Epoch having an contract with them, is definitely an infringement of competition law as they give Epoch and their customers a competitive advantage. I sent Paypal a letter what they didn't even answer!!
A big company with the force and money should go to court regarding this matter!

When it comes to porn there are no "competition laws", since if you go to court everyone says porn should not exist.

JasonCollins · 12-02-2015, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by vintageadult

That would be great news.

Somewhat recent changes to policies at PayPal forced that payment processor to abandon the majority of high-risk merchant accounts they serviced, and their collaboration with Epoch is an effort to regain the business lost from those policy changes. May be with other processors too..

Good info! Thanks!

celandina · 12-02-2015, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by vintageadult

That would be great news.

Somewhat recent changes to policies at PayPal forced that payment processor to abandon the majority of high-risk merchant accounts they serviced, and their collaboration with Epoch is an effort to regain the business lost from those policy changes. May be with other processors too..

Not quite, they built their initial business on porn and then when they got big they "discovered Jesus" . Now "Jesus" is not paying as much as before , so they sneaking back in. I guess the rocket business is not paying as much or the Tesla electric car or whatever else they are wasting money on

celandina · 12-02-2015, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonCollins

It is noted!

The problem is PayPal... I am not sure why they are so reluctant as of yet to open it up to the rest of the market, but the ball is in motion.

You are on

We do not want problems, we want solutions, the consolation prize for more problems is a bottle of Lidl Riesling

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Porko · 12-02-2015, 07:44 AM

I was told that paypal joins = many chargebacks.

JasonCollins · 12-03-2015, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by celandina

You are on

We do not want problems, we want solutions, the consolation prize for more problems is a bottle of Lidl Riesling

:

I'm thirsty!

SplatterMaster · 12-03-2015, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Porko

I was told that paypal joins = many chargebacks.

Couldn't be no where near as many as CCBill allows.

iSpyCams · 12-03-2015, 09:52 AM

I haven't heard much about it but I think it's reasonable to assume that Epoch is using Paypal as more or less of a gateway with it's own MIDS, greatly reducing Paypal's liability for direct transactions, and as far as indirect transactions from the customer's balance, I am sure Epoch is taking 100% of the responsibility.

I don't know why they don't do CCbill too, but if they did the question would be "why not segpay then, why not Zombaio, why not fuckyoubill and flybynightpay too? The whole idea of a test is that it's with limited participants.

But the real issue is this hipocrisy of payment processors trying to limit the content their users can consume is getting thinner by the day and it won't last much longer.

We'll either be living in a muslim world where bacon and porn are punishable by death, or we'll be in a free world where bacon and porn are required to prove you aren't a terrorist. - OK that's obvious sarcasm but I think it's high time mainstream payment processors wake up to the fact that wankers gonna wank and start getting paid for it.

celandina · 12-03-2015, 10:17 AM

Not to be anal about it... But just looking here on this forum( for example) on Zombiao issues... It is clear that it is: Epoch,Verotel, CCbill who are the "gradfathers" of the industry and should have PP without a big hassle from PP, the other should prove their "bonafides" to PP first.

iSpyCams · 12-03-2015, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by celandina

Not to be anal about it... But just looking here on this forum( for example) on Zombiao issues... It is clear that it is: Epoch,Verotel, CCbill who are the "gradfathers" of the industry and should have PP without a big hassle from PP, the other should prove their "bonafides" to PP first.

Bullshit, we should all have direct access to Paypal. High risk my ass. There are more and bigger scammers in mainstream and 99% of them use Paypal.

Paypal is open to terrorist fuckheads, 409 scammers and Chinese counterfeiters, but show some nipples and you're moved to the back of the bus. Fuck that, and fuck Paypal.

wehateporn · 12-03-2015, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Porko

I was told that paypal joins = many chargebacks.

Just checked some of my Paypal joins, I think it depends if they like the site or not

fitzmulti · 12-03-2015, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by vintageadult

So?

When the test has been completed will they be accept other processors too?

...maybe...just MAYBE...ask PayPal, not us here on GFY...LOL!
{How the fuck would we know???}

Socks · 12-03-2015, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by fitzmulti

...maybe...just MAYBE...ask PayPal, not us here on GFY...LOL!
{How the fuck would we know???}

The guy at Verotel surely has higher connections than [email protected], so it does make sense to ask here

NETbilling · 12-03-2015, 04:44 PM

For those of you using Paypal now, how are the conversions, chargebacks and what are the fees like as opposed to Paypal direct? NETbilling would certainly add this if we have the opportunity unless it isn't working well. I have heard mixed reviews thus far.

Thanks, Mitch

celandina · 12-06-2015, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by pompousjohn

Bullshit, we should all have direct access to Paypal. High risk my ass. There are more and bigger scammers in mainstream and 99% of them use Paypal.

Paypal is open to terrorist fuckheads, 409 scammers and Chinese counterfeiters, but show some nipples and you're moved to the back of the bus. Fuck that, and fuck Paypal.

I am actually agreeing with you, indeed PayPal and others should not be allowed to discriminate against a legal business....However, short of a class action suit by all of us adult webmasters to force PP to treat us as any other business and winning it, then we should start with that : " we do not process adult" ( high risk or not) ... This should be the same as : "we do not serve gays" or " no Jews allowed"...., it is discrimination, censorship whatever you want to call it.

Then the excuse is "well look at all these adult processors they are crooks" and partially they are right...I went trhu at least 4 of them who shut thier doors overnight and stuck me for thousands, hence my reference to Zombiao ( a likely candidate) so using Epoch,Verotel and CCbill was my way of suggesting that this excuse does not hold watter....and once they have it all other legit processors will follow.

One more comment: I do not believe that PP would ever allow individuals to buy porn from websites or websites using PP to sell to individuals ( as in the past)....America is too fucked up for that : "lets ban nipples but it is OK for a jihhadi to buy AK 47...."

MrDeiz · 12-06-2015, 09:28 AM

I'm curious why Epoch doesn't introduce Paypal affiliate payouts

NETbilling · 12-09-2015, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by NETbilling

For those of you using Paypal now, how are the conversions, chargebacks and what are the fees like as opposed to Paypal direct? NETbilling would certainly add this if we have the opportunity unless it isn't working well. I have heard mixed reviews thus far.

Thanks, Mitch

Any comments?

celandina · 12-10-2015, 09:04 AM

I have stated that clearly... i had PP in 2009 for about 3 months ( did not realize they do not do adult...FYI my site are individual movies ...many playing Sky,HBO and even Turner...go figure).... But they are soft erotic and one morning my PP was gone. When I introduced PP the sales went up at least 5 fold, once they killed me it went down about the same amount.

I hate these fuckers but hey,business is business...

fyi I have 0 chargebacks... In over 30,000 transactions we had about 4 chargebacks ( two were crooks, one appogized since he could not figure out how to download. ONLY one was " real" since he thought when he bought the movie it was educational documentary about lesbians in prison, and he was disappointed because if was "chicks in chains" movie. My guess his wife caught him....) So high risk..my ass !!

11-27-2015, 03:40 PM	#1
vintageadult Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: NL Posts: 358	Why Paypal only accepts Epoch and not accept CCBill? Paypal made a deal with Epoch but why they don't make a deal with CCBill too? CCBill is also one of the best risk processor in the world like epoch. However paypal only accepts their pilot program for epoch.. Thats strange...

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2MuchMark Videochat Solutions Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 48,529	I'm just taking a guess, but I think Epoch was able to make the deal with Paypal by taking on 100% of the risk. Just a theory of course. I would assume that if this works for Paypal they may start working with other payment processors too, but I would guess that Epoch's agreement with Paypal would stop them from doing this. Just a theory again. Regardless, Epoch's deal with Paypal is epic. __________________ VideoChat Solutions \| Custom Software \| IT Support https://www.2much.net \| https://www.lcntech.com

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JasonCollins Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 966	We have been following it very closely and PayPal is aware of our interest. Hopefully soon they open it up for others to offer. If they gave us the API today, we would have it connected within the hour. __________________ Transparent, hassle free payments: DialXS.com Skype: jpc0480 \| Email: [email protected] \| Telegram: jpcams

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Toys4Sluts Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Baja California, Mexico Posts: 31	Maybe it's because ccbill is known as an adult processer

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PornDude I'm still broke. Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: WildWildWest Posts: 3,084	It's not a test. You are left in 2014.

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tammix Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: El-Kaliman Oasis, West Sahara Posts: 2,164	Im pushing some adult program with paypal as payment option and i tell you I make three times or so more sales, I guess people see they can have more control using pp to avoid extra charges in their cc or recurring charges, they trust more paypal, I hope more programs would use it

11-29-2015, 02:54 PM	#19
celandina Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 11,338	All good points.....but if you ask somebody in CCBill management, they are even do not know that Epoch has PP... Go figure

11-30-2015, 03:32 AM	#21
lucas Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 97	Because Epoch owner drives Tesla.

12-01-2015, 02:46 AM	#25
Model-Eve Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 47	Well, and why does PayPal not accept using their system for Porn in general? See the terms and conditions .............. So Epoch having an contract with them, is definitely an infringement of competition law as they give Epoch and their customers a competitive advantage. I sent Paypal a letter what they didn't even answer!! A big company with the force and money should go to court regarding this matter! Eve __________________ Promote my website and get 50 %! Promotion content available!

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marlboroack So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ☣ Posts: 9,327	Because you touch yourself

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12-03-2015, 09:52 AM	#38
iSpyCams Amateur Gynecologist Industry Role: Join Date: May 2009 Location: Medellin Posts: 4,436	I haven't heard much about it but I think it's reasonable to assume that Epoch is using Paypal as more or less of a gateway with it's own MIDS, greatly reducing Paypal's liability for direct transactions, and as far as indirect transactions from the customer's balance, I am sure Epoch is taking 100% of the responsibility. I don't know why they don't do CCbill too, but if they did the question would be "why not segpay then, why not Zombaio, why not fuckyoubill and flybynightpay too? The whole idea of a test is that it's with limited participants. But the real issue is this hipocrisy of payment processors trying to limit the content their users can consume is getting thinner by the day and it won't last much longer. We'll either be living in a muslim world where bacon and porn are punishable by death, or we'll be in a free world where bacon and porn are required to prove you aren't a terrorist. - OK that's obvious sarcasm but I think it's high time mainstream payment processors wake up to the fact that wankers gonna wank and start getting paid for it. __________________ - As soon as I think up a good sig it's going here.

12-03-2015, 10:17 AM	#39
celandina Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 11,338	Not to be anal about it... But just looking here on this forum( for example) on Zombiao issues... It is clear that it is: Epoch,Verotel, CCbill who are the "gradfathers" of the industry and should have PP without a big hassle from PP, the other should prove their "bonafides" to PP first.

12-03-2015, 04:44 PM	#44
NETbilling Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 8,573	For those of you using Paypal now, how are the conversions, chargebacks and what are the fees like as opposed to Paypal direct? NETbilling would certainly add this if we have the opportunity unless it isn't working well. I have heard mixed reviews thus far. Thanks, Mitch __________________ Mitch Farber CEO - NETbilling, Inc. Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456 Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

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12-10-2015, 09:04 AM	#48
celandina Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 11,338	I have stated that clearly... i had PP in 2009 for about 3 months ( did not realize they do not do adult...FYI my site are individual movies ...many playing Sky,HBO and even Turner...go figure).... But they are soft erotic and one morning my PP was gone. When I introduced PP the sales went up at least 5 fold, once they killed me it went down about the same amount. I hate these fuckers but hey,business is business... fyi I have 0 chargebacks... In over 30,000 transactions we had about 4 chargebacks ( two were crooks, one appogized since he could not figure out how to download. ONLY one was " real" since he thought when he bought the movie it was educational documentary about lesbians in prison, and he was disappointed because if was "chicks in chains" movie. My guess his wife caught him....) So high risk..my ass !!