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And here is 50 stupid fuckrrs who have no idea.

LatinaCamChat

I think one page of this nonsense is enough. Know your place and keep updating your site manually, 80s style, before you break everything trying to do something as simple as using a CMS and come back here complaining.

Does a CMS help with rebills? What a stupid fucking question

freecartoonporn

at some extent.
CMS is for simplifying the admin's jobs, like managing content and shit.

what you need is smart system(idk whats it called technically), but majority eshop sites are using it, its 3rd part service but you can implement it something like this.
e.g.
you search for lingerie on amazon and later you get lingerie deals/coupons in your inbox.

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Gee, a negative comment from a clueless newb who promotes CAMS who doesn't know shit about paysites. Thanks for your useless opinion and input.

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CarlosTheGaucho

If you talk member retention, the best CMS in the world without proper tagging is about to have a minimal to zero effect.

Let's see why, hypothetically, if you want to increase member retention you can:

1) increase the amount of content (this may not work so well once you reach a certain critical mass of content)
2) increase the amount of updates (you can also re-cycle)
3) increase interactivity, follow up on member requests
4) make the user experience better aka for example make it easier to play (or download) one's favorite content in a preferred format
5) offer targeted content - make it easy to find related / suggested content, that should do it for your customer based on his preferences
6) market your existing content


While CMS will make 1) and 2) less time demanding, apart from that there's no direct added value of CMS when it comes to member retention.

Plus after you reach a certain critical mass of content this may lose its direct effect on retention, and it will become more and more important to serve "the right content" instead of just serving "a lot of content".

3) Increase interactivity - this is solely based on your own effort, CMS may offer polls forum options etc. but what you do with it is your business, again no direct added value of CMS when it comes to member retention

4) Again CMS may make the work with encoding etc. easier, simplier, but there's no direct added value of CMS when it comes to member retention

5) Offer targeted content - this is crucial, you need to have a very well thought out tagging system that will help your customers to find what they're looking for in an intuitive fashion, it takes work with every single video, and every single photo set, it has to be done very thoroughly.

If you can provide this - this may be a major point where CMS can bring a direct added value when it comes to member retention. Based on how well thought out and how thoroughly provided your tagging system is.

6) Marketing one's existing content - again a personal input is required, if you can put together something like say "featured scene", "featured star", even "featured site" etc. to appear in your member area in a meaningful fashion. If you can turn your member area more into a deliberately programmed outlet. This may help. However CMS itself, although saving loads of time, again doesn't have a direct value when it comes to member retention.

No 5. gets my vote.

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The Porn Nerd

Thanks for this well thought out and presented post!! Most excellent.

Right now I think I can live without a full-bodies CMS and do something "custom" in terms of updates, adding/featuring new sites, etc. But where a CMS may be crucial - and may be difficult to do without one - os to do #5. Taking the time to tag everything IS a ton of work and would take me a year+ if I did it myself. But to do so without a robust search feature would be madness. And I don't know if I can get "just" a search feature etc without just commiting to a CMS.

Ah fun problems. LOL

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AJHall

There are 4 types of members:

1) Those who join and cancel immediately within 2 minutes so they're not rebilled
2) Those who remember to cancel inside the first sale period and don't rebill
3) Those who forget to cancel and rebill
4) Those who join, download, cancel then rejoin later and download again then cancel
5) Those who intentionally rebill

You can only influence member types 4 and 5. A good CMS can definitely help with both of those.

Can you also manually encode videos to do things like HLS adaptive streaming on all devices, experiment with streaming only vs streaming + download sites on the fly, have multiple content scheduling methods to manipulate your content in ways to encourage retention, offer a variety of dynamic content so your sites are constantly changing and appear like there's a ton of personal involvement and a battery of other things without a full-bodied CMS? If so, I would say do it and keep costs low.

It's not only about keyword tagging and interaction. Lots of other things will help you with retention on some level as well assuming the value of your content is there in the minds of your customers.



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plsureking

the post by Carlos was great. he's a knowledgeable guy. i think you're at the decision point and have an idea of where you want to go. now you know all the pros and cons of a cms, and there's been a great discussion about retention.

your top sites probably need a cms at some point, but moving all of your sites to a cms would be a daunting project (and probably not a profitable one). if you have text on your pages, you can use a 3rd party search script and simply plug it in (maybe even Google). that would solve the tagging and search issue in a basic, cheap and fast way.

good luck!

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Cams count towards about 1/30th of my monthly profits, and the only cam sales I've made have been from buying affiliate accounts/websites from people trying to get out of the business. I've opened (and closed) a webcam studio in the past few months, which was my reason for posting here. Didn't go as well as expected but have managed to buy other people's networks that are now turning a profit after paying back all of what I bought them for already.

Here are current stats of my two main sources of income:



These stats are from sites ran on WORDPRESS (cms) with 8,000$-10,000$ (ongoing) worth of customizations.



One more site, older system and updated manually (not by me, pay someone to do it), have considered changing it to a CMS but since it's just one site and gets along fine, haven't done so.

Care to share yours for comparison to see who the 'clueless newb who doesn't know anything about paysites' is?

Cams - have spent about 5,000$ on a few websites that make 1,500$-2,000$/month, that's about it

Your question "Does a CMS help with rebills" is so ridiculously stupid I just couldn't resist. A CMS has nothing to do with rebills. A CMS *could* help with rebills if your websites were struggling because you were trying to update them all manually, missing deadlines, having bad sorting options, and not benefiting from any additional seo with all of your members content locked behind a 1990's 'members area' instead of being displayed automatically on front-end/back-end from CMS or only having a front-end member's area with all of your updates.

A CMS helps automate and organize your website, that's it, if your clusterfuck of a network all built on manual pages is struggling and losing member retention because of it, A CMS might help slightly, indirectly, due to fixing other issues on your website. If you are manually chugging away hitting all your update deadlines, and doing everything else a CMS already does manually, then I can't see why there would be any difference.

Your question is like asking: Does a fast server help with rebills? I'm trying to think of another example that's as mundane as your question but can't think of anything else.

You are a fucking embarrassment. I wouldn't risk trying to move your sites into a CMS now, even though a CMS is a basic necessity of any kind of paysite network I think it's too much for you to handle.

The Porn Nerd

Dude why don't you go fuck yourself? You know ZERO about me, my network, my setup, or anything at all. No one carss how you make your money or WHAT you do so posting screenshots just shows how low your self esteem really is. No one cares but you. You are the embarrassment.

As for CMS helping rebills: buried in the middle of your snarky bullshit is actually the reason I am ASKING. My Members Areas were built (or acquired) one-by-one over time, all by my lonesome. So a CMS would absolutely help user experience, from searching for what members want to displaying updates better to rotating content and upsells, etc. It is not a bad question coming from someone with no experience with a CMS and many have confirmed a CMS can help in these ways.

I began as an amateur and had to learn everything on my own. Amateur webmasters, with amateur-looking websites, make BANK and if you think not then that proves my case about you. People always look at my shit and think I don't make money, or are clueless, yet I've done millions in sales over the past seven years. So really I don't care what you (or anyone) thinks. I am laughing all the way to the bank.

The only issue left for me is to go for a custom CMS, a one-time solution or a monthly license.

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LatinaCamChat

Keep worrying about the Dollar/Euro exchange for your trip to Europe while you laugh all the way to the bank. Pretty sure until recently there haven't been any classes for being a porn webmaster, everyone here 'learned on their own'

The Porn Nerd

So because I inquire ("worry?") about exchange rates before a trip this makes me....a reasonable human being and businessman. You however, post snarky bullshit comments in a business thread attacking an established Program Owner for asking a reasonable business question. I think anyone reading this can decide for themselves who is the more serious business person here.

You acted like a troll so that's how I'm treating you.

Anyone else want to contribute something useful?

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muthisdev

Didn't see it said here.
You can swap out designs and features faster with a CMS.

I dunno how you're doing it now. If you have some server includes or HTML everything.

Say you wanna change from using the <video> tag to using flowplayer. In CMS, you change it in one spot. Not 50000 HTML files.

I've dealt with HTML sites. They always look outdated. With CMS, you can add a fresh coat of paint every few years. Get a new design. If you can code, tweak your design every few months even!

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CarlosTheGaucho

Thanks!

Yes definitely important to consider the time investment vs. ROI factor.

A solid CMS may be a golden tool, however it's not its available features itself that will make your site stand out and make more money, it's how well it's tended to.

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The Porn Nerd

Just to follow up on this: I joined a couple porn sites to check out their Members Areas. I wasn't looking at content but rather structure and how they laid out the content. Both had robust CMS (tho I could not tell which software was being used). One site was a solo site so it was very focused (naturally) with tons of Member interactivty. The other was a multi-site pass (smaller in size but similar to my network).

For the solo site the search function worked great and produced many results. But for the multi-site I was shocked! Together, all sites had thousands of videos but when I did a basic search for 'blowjobs' or 'blondes' or 'anal' or 'milf' I often got only 3-5 results. This told me all those videos were not tagged. Shocking because this was from a MAJOR company.

So then I am thinking perhaps I am worrying too much if THIS is my competition. LOL

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stevelake

Email me at [email protected] to discuss putting you on our platform that includes Elevated X and much more. The CMS has social features, you can do live shows for the members, categorize, stream, mobile site, etc.. etc..

AJHall

Just sent you an email

It's not just about search or tagging but about selling a site that reflects quality so where from the very first moment someone visits, it's obvious whoever runs it gives a shit.

Some big sites suck. Some sites run by big programs or professional site management companies suck. It doesn't mean your site should suck too.

Join a bunch more sites. It never hurts to routinely join the top 5-10 sites in your primary niches and look at what they do as well as what they don't do. You want to at least equal what they do and ideally you want to exceed it.

It's ok to be a sheep but much better to be a shepherd.

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The Porn Nerd

Oh I agree man totally. The "big" site's Members Area was basically 50% upsell, and quite aggressive about it. Unlock this, upgrade to that, join this partner site....ok I get upsells but that was a little much.

So yeah I am going to join a few more sites this weekend. My content IS top notch and vast, ranging from pure amateur stuff all the way to 4K UHD. So I know my stuff sells. I just want the Member experience to be better. I also don't want to live through a 12 month nightmare trying to upgrade to a CMS while also running the rest of the business.

But that's probably what needs to happen. LOL

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AJHall

How many updates does each of your bigger/higher sales potential or higher quality content sites have? Ballpark numbers?

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The Porn Nerd

Well "updates" is a misnomer as I do not film new scenes but rather work with already-produced content. So it would be 'rotating' scenes (masking them as updates). The bigger sites have 200-500 videos while the smaller sites (the real moneymakers) have anywhere from 25-100 scenes.

But we're talking over 80+ paysites. LOL I could do it one-by-one but everything is connected so it really should be flip a switch - brand-new Mem Areas.

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The Porn Nerd

LOL For Paul a "content management system" is a filing cabinet and a typewriter.

:D

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AJHall

It's all the same to us whether it's a new scene or a recycled old update.

Just as a guide, if you did it by hand, since you don't have a lot of text/data to add to each "update" you can likely copy/paste or enter 200-500 new titles into Elevated X in 1-2 days time and let the CMS scan folders, import the content, auto-create all the thumbs for you and there would be very little work on your part.

You could then make a 2nd pass and do some keyword tagging and incrementally add descriptive text and SEO stuff say spend an hour or so and do 5-10 updates a day and in a week or so you''ll have a site all done.

Don't think of 80 sites, think of your main money makers and those whose sales potential you're killing by not having them modernized and work on those first.

The work involved might not be anywhere near as bad as you think...

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