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Penny24Seven · 01-12-2016, 12:49 AM

I made way over 100K with this site. The only ones who saw it were paying customers that wanted to buy more VHS tapes

They were stacked 8 high and 8 wide making copies 24 hours a day.
We bought the panties from lingeriemart I think it was 1000 pairs at a time.
She would wear one pair in the video and sell 100 of the same pair for 100 each

Cost was 1.25 each so it was an ok profit HAAA
It snowballed after this but it was the start.
I didn't know anything about sites back in the day so a customer made the site for us and even edited it as we requested. I remember paying him with a lollypop she had in her pussy.
That was all he wanted

https://web.archive.org/web/20020726...stomvideo.com/

look and laugh but it was a fun time

We became the king of custom videos while doing this.

MikeAMS · 01-12-2016, 01:34 AM

a long time ago.. in a galaxy far far away

Penny24Seven · 01-12-2016, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikey Verotel

a long time ago.. in a galaxy far far away

Got that right, I used a camcorder that took the whole VHS tape LOL, it was so heavy and I had to hold it with one hand and try to fuck her on a bed that moved on the tile floor with the dog chasing the fucking cat through the room all while staying in focus.
The quality sucked so bad too. People bought anything with a naked girl on it.
There was no way to fuck shit up.

deonbell · 01-12-2016, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian837

I remember paying him with a lollypop she had in her pussy.
That was all he wanted

I wonder if he consumed it or if he still has it.

Ferus · 01-12-2016, 01:46 AM

I think times are better than ever. Everyone is online 4-5 hours a day, and the complexity of server/cluster/db configurations grows every year. Those sites that look for HA or Global CDN need specialists now more then ever before

Paul Markham · 01-12-2016, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferus

I think times are better than ever. Everyone is online 4-5 hours a day, and the complexity of server/cluster/db configurations grows every year. Those sites that look for HA or Global CDN need specialists now more then ever before

People paying v freeloaders, is the key factor. Not traffic.

Most online people are clueless about the money made before we started to give it away for free. Even when ratios were 1-100, the extra people couldn't replace the loss of 99% sales.

When Fabian quoted the turnover figures for Private, I realised how clueless most were about offline porn.

No point in crying over spilt milk, there was always going to be idiots trying to give away more than the next guy. How's Mindgeek doing porn wise?

MikeAMS · 01-12-2016, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferus

I think times are better than ever. Everyone is online 4-5 hours a day, and the complexity of server/cluster/db configurations grows every year. Those sites that look for HA or Global CDN need specialists now more then ever before

You are kidding right? We are handling payments for over 50.0000 adult websites since 1998 so we know a bit what the numbers are and what they where in the past..

Ferus · 01-12-2016, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikey Verotel

You are kidding right? We are handling payments for over 50.0000 adult websites since 1998 so we know a bit what the numbers are and what they where in the past..

Did you even read past the first 5 Words? You still think the only way to make Money is for someone to buy a membership?

I dont know about your stats, but if I look at CCbill (cwie) and most others in that line of business, their profit and Total Assets are still growing, and not slowing Down.

adultchatpay · 01-12-2016, 03:55 AM

Those were the good ol days!

Paul Markham · 01-12-2016, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferus

Did you even read past the first 5 Words? You still think the only way to make Money is for someone to buy a membership?

I dont know about your stats, but if I look at CCbill (cwie) and most others in that line of business, their profit and Total Assets are still growing, and not slowing Down.

No doubt Dating, Toys and Webcam are still going well. Some of the big sites have picked up some of the paying members from those closed. But, there's no getting away from the fact that around 1 billion logs into a free tube and convert at around 1-50,000 or worse. Number as an example.

This is lost potential customers. People who once had to buy. To claim none of them ever did isn't an answer. Brian like I know what the turnover was back in the day. We can all see the mainstay of porn, films and images, dwindling.

Can you point us to the audited accounts of the processing companies?

Ferus · 01-12-2016, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No doubt Dating, Toys and Webcam are still going well. Some of the big sites have picked up some of the paying members from those closed. But, there's no getting away from the fact that around 1 billion logs into a free tube and convert at around 1-50,000 or worse. Number as an example.

This is lost potential customers. People who once had to buy. To claim none of them ever did isn't an answer. Brian like I know what the turnover was back in the day. We can all see the mainstay of porn, films and images, dwindling.

Can you point us to the audited accounts of the processing companies?

You are STILL only looking at membership sales. Are you both stuck on stupid?

I am talking about those that still make Money (not hobbyists like you). They need specialists, and that is why Things are better than ever.

Edit: and to reply to your 1:50000 ratio statement. Yes, if you still promote like you did 10 years ago, you will convert at that ratio.
But there are still loads of people converting 1:1000 or better

HeadPimp · 01-12-2016, 05:30 AM

If I get what you are saying, it is that there is more than one way to skin the proverbial cat and lots of people miss that fact, and you are correct! Just because "that is how we've always done it" doesn't mean it is the only way.

CaptainHowdy · 01-12-2016, 05:35 AM

kkkkkk · 01-12-2016, 05:39 AM

Paul Markham pioneered light capture

Penny24Seven · 01-12-2016, 05:54 AM

This thread was to just show the shitty site I had first and how much it made. Maybe even get some laughs.
Of course with anything shit changes. If not every person would be doing this. That is one reason it changes so much. I was the first ecig store in town. Now there are 6 and I am done.

slapass · 01-12-2016, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Can you point us to the audited accounts of the processing companies?

Curious too. CCbill provies this info? I did not know that.

MikeAMS · 01-12-2016, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass

Curious too. CCbill provies this info? I did not know that.

I'm also super curious??

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Originally Posted by Ferus

I am talking about those that still make Money (not hobbyists like you).

Since you just called us hobbyists.. We would love to learn from a professional like you!! To be honest.. I bet that you have never set foot in a single studioâ?¦ And as soon as you have partnered together with over 1.000 merchants and you have the latest insights concerning the turnover of more than 50.000 websites for the last 18 years.. Please come back to me.. You don't know shit about the industry son..

But of course the turnover of payment processing companies is growing, we also see this.. Everything is becoming more professional and with all the huge camsites and all the other enormous corporations behind the (tube)sites with over 1.000 employees each, turnovers are higher than ever.. But what about the profits??

But you are missing the point of Brian here completely.. What he was saying is that you could make a huge profit back in the days by basically selling everything.. Since everything was still new..

Ferus · 01-12-2016, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikey Verotel

I'm also super curious??

Since you just called us hobbyists.. We would love to learn from a professional like you!! To be honest.. I bet that you have never set foot in a single studioâ?¦ And as soon as you have partnered together with over 1.000 merchants and you have the latest insights concerning the turnover of more than 50.000 websites for the last 18 years.. Please come back to me.. You don't know shit about the industry son..

But of course the turnover of payment processing companies is growing, we also see this.. Everything is becoming more professional and ith all the huge camsites and all the other enormous corporations behind the (tube)sites with over 1.000 employees each, turnovers are higher than ever.. But what about the profits??

But you are missing the point of Brian here completely.. What he was saying is that you could make a huge profit back in the days by basically selling everything.. Since everything was still new..

I called Paul a hobbyist. But I guess you have the same mindset.

Brians point is EXACTLY the same as mine. If you want to make Money and keep growing, you need to stay ahead and always have whats new ... and that is why you are an employe.

And you are still missing the point. You live in the "we need to sell memberships" mindset. You are blind to the whole middleware, software, hosting, hardware, backbone, CDN industry, that need consultants and Experts. And that industry is booming.

LiveJasmins owner is one of the richest people in his country, CaveCreek makes more Money today (and profit) than they have ever done in history.

And I'm sure Verotel is happy about you talking about their struggle in public

OneHungLo · 01-12-2016, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferus

And I'm sure Verotel is happy about you talking about their struggle in public

Amongst other things

Mikey should be getting his pink slip anytime now

MikeAMS · 01-12-2016, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferus

You are blind to the whole middleware, software, hosting, hardware, backbone, CDN industry, that need consultants and Experts. And that industry is booming.

Unfortunately you are not aware of everything we are doing here..

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Originally Posted by Ferus

LiveJasmins owner is one of the richest people in his country, CaveCreek makes more Money today (and profit) than they have ever done in history.

You just copy/paste what i said didn't you..

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Originally Posted by Mikey Verotel

Everything is becoming more professional and with all the huge camsites and all the other enormous corporations behind the (tube)sites with over 1.000 employees each, turnovers are higher than ever..

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Originally Posted by Ferus

And I'm sure Verotel is happy about you talking about their struggle in public

Just told you that we also see turnover grow.. same like the other payment processing companies out there.. But keep on reading son!
Perhaps see you around at the exhibitions so we can have a beer together and talk about it..

Ferus · 01-12-2016, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikey Verotel

Just told you that we also see turnover grow.. same like the other payment processing companies out there..

uuhh.. no, that was not your words. As an reply to my statement "things are better now" - You said; You are kidding right? - We are handling payments for over 50.0000 adult websites since 1998 so we know a bit what the numbers are and what they where in the past

You can try and spin that all you want - it wont go away.

+ Verotel Merchant Services B.V Financial records can be found on Google.

I think Jason would advice you to shut up now.

Va2k · 01-12-2016, 08:53 AM

WOW I looked at my first am site I did a lot of money https://web.archive.org/web/20020923...tp://va2k.net/

was using globill on this tour lmao

MikeAMS · 01-12-2016, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferus

You can try and spin that all you want - it wont go away.

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Originally Posted by Mikey Verotel

But of course the turnover of payment processing companies is growing, we also see this..

MetaMan · 01-12-2016, 09:08 AM

LOL this Mike guy sounds like your typical whiny European.

ilnjscb · 01-12-2016, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikey Verotel

You are kidding right? We are handling payments for over 50.0000 adult websites since 1998 so we know a bit what the numbers are and what they where in the past..

Well, then, please, for craps sake, share some of that! Even in its most basic form, it could answer a lot of question that NO ONE seems to be able to answer.

Penny24Seven · 01-12-2016, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Amongst other things

Mikey should be getting his pink slip anytime now

LOL what is 50.0000 To me that is fifty. Not sure if it is different in other countries but 500K is 500,000 so not sure what number he is picking. 500K sounds high and 50 sounds way to low LOL

Paul Markham · 01-13-2016, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferus

You are STILL only looking at membership sales. Are you both stuck on stupid?

I am talking about those that still make Money (not hobbyists like you). They need specialists, and that is why Things are better than ever.

Edit: and to reply to your 1:50000 ratio statement. Yes, if you still promote like you did 10 years ago, you will convert at that ratio.
But there are still loads of people converting 1:1000 or better

So wise one, what are you doing in porn that is so wonderful? And don't reply you left porn, this is a porn board, a porn thread and about how thing have changed in the porn video business.

As Brian points out back before the Internet decided to give it away, VHS videos were making more than you can dream of. It's not about who makes more than they ever did, who's the richest man in some backwater, or how many sites they process for. It's about an industry that has declined.

All we can judge by is the number of people relying on it for an income, and their apparent success. As no processing company issues audited reports and that only tells their turnover, not how much the porn sites make.

As for me being a hobbyist. Yes after 35 years in the porn business I retired with enough money at 58 to be a hobbyist.

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You are blind to the whole middleware, software, hosting, hardware, backbone, CDN industry, that need consultants and Experts. And that industry is booming.

How much of that is about porn? Driving a van of bread full of bread doesn't make you a baker. We all know the Internet is booming, more sales are done online every day. It continues to grow and break records. While the porn business shrinks.

Consumption of porn is through the roof, compared to when I was selling VHS videos via mail order consumption figures are astronomic. The difference is I sold 3 scenes on tape for $35.

We have moved on to giving away 40,000 views for $30. So people can sell traffic at $3 per 1,000 clicks.

Paul Markham · 01-13-2016, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Well, then, please, for craps sake, share some of that! Even in its most basic form, it could answer a lot of question that NO ONE seems to be able to answer.

I think Mike is saying that as they have been in the processing business so long. They know the state of the business.

The number of sites is irrelevant. The top site take could take more than the 1,000 bottom sites.

As for sharing real info, that will never happen. Like the OP will never tell us what he makes so much money from, in porn.

MikeAMS · 01-13-2016, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian837

LOL what is 50.0000 To me that is fifty. Not sure if it is different in other countries but 500K is 500,000 so not sure what number he is picking. 500K sounds high and 50 sounds way to low LOL

LOL... ofcourse it's 50K..
Sorry I was watching porn from a new customer and was distracted, put in 1 zero too much

OldJeff · 01-13-2016, 07:28 AM

And the beat goes on...............the beat goes on

AmeliaG · 01-07-2019, 06:55 PM

This is totally the sort of thread GFY was made for.

Here is an early iteration of Blue Blood's GothicSluts.com
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and here is some of Blue Blood's 1997 web design for your viewing ... pleasure
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Rochard · 01-07-2019, 07:10 PM

This how wifey's world started.... VHS tapes. Boy, they made a shit load of money.

NatalieK · 01-07-2019, 08:51 PM

can´t see why this site was making so much money and yet the design and what was set up on it was changed so often...

when something´s not broke, you don´t try fix it

oh, and i´ve been filming custom vids for my fans since 2005, this is what sells and this is what makes the money...

I film custom vids for my fans, inc. in the price of their pass, this giving a high retention ratio which is always good for affiliates

NatalieK · 01-07-2019, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

We have moved on to giving away 40,000 views for $30. So people can sell traffic at $3 per 1,000 clicks.

I´ll have some of this Paul!

Where´s this from please?

Paul Markham · 01-08-2019, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

This how wifey's world started.... VHS tapes. Boy, they made a shit load of money.

The big money was in retail, selling the finished product to the end user. This is what on line does today and trying to replace all the shops, mail order, even newsagents that sold softcore.

Never going to happen.

There may of been a few times online got close to that turnover but only close. The sad thing is how long it lasted. Now the porn industry recommends a newbie start up to go to Clips4Sale and other such sites to break even.

Paul Markham · 01-08-2019, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions

can´t see why this site was making so much money and yet the design and what was set up on it was changed so often...

when something´s not broke, you don´t try fix it

oh, and i´ve been filming custom vids for my fans since 2005, this is what sells and this is what makes the money...

I film custom vids for my fans, inc. in the price of their pass, this giving a high retention ratio which is always good for affiliates

Today that's true for sites like yours. For the mainstream and in days gone by the big money is in producing content with a broad appeal.

CaptainHowdy · 01-08-2019, 07:06 AM

Go get 'em, Paul . . .

duk75 · 03-09-2022, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

People paying v freeloaders, is the key factor. Not traffic.

Most online people are clueless about the money made before we started to give it away for free. Even when ratios were 1-100, the extra people couldn't replace the loss of 99% sales.

When Fabian quoted the turnover figures for Private, I realised how clueless most were about offline porn.

No point in crying over spilt milk, there was always going to be idiots trying to give away more than the next guy. How's Mindgeek doing porn wise?

Where can we see those turnovers from Private that you mention?

CaptainHowdy · 03-09-2022, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by duk75

Where can we see those turnovers from Private that you mention?

Do you wish to contact the ghost of Paul Markham ? ?

SekobA · 03-09-2022, 03:18 PM

Ah there were so many ways to earn money back in the days ..time has changed

romeo22 · 03-09-2022, 03:24 PM

You had great ides of doing porn

OneHungLo · 03-09-2022, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by duk75

Where can we see those turnovers from Private that you mention?

Don't hold your breath while waiting for the answer...

baddog · 03-09-2022, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by duk75

Where can we see those turnovers from Private that you mention?

That was an awesome bump. Did you happen to notice the year this thread was started?

12clicks · 03-09-2022, 09:02 PM

Yeah………
You making any money today,

OldJeff · 03-10-2022, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

Yeah………
You making any money today,

Yep, selling apples on the corner

12clicks · 03-11-2022, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by OldJeff

Yep, selling apples on the corner

dust off Pagemill and get back in the game.

romeo22 · 03-12-2022, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OldJeff

Yep, selling apples on the corner

Apples are risky it might stack in the hole..cucumber and carrots fit better

01-12-2016, 12:49 AM	#1
Penny24Seven So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: USA Posts: 6,289	How times have changed I made way over 100K with this site. The only ones who saw it were paying customers that wanted to buy more VHS tapes They were stacked 8 high and 8 wide making copies 24 hours a day. We bought the panties from lingeriemart I think it was 1000 pairs at a time. She would wear one pair in the video and sell 100 of the same pair for 100 each Cost was 1.25 each so it was an ok profit HAAA It snowballed after this but it was the start. I didn't know anything about sites back in the day so a customer made the site for us and even edited it as we requested. I remember paying him with a lollypop she had in her pussy. That was all he wanted https://web.archive.org/web/20020726...stomvideo.com/ look and laugh but it was a fun time We became the king of custom videos while doing this. __________________ Our site is coming soon. It will be one of the best ever! I know so. Brian and Penny

01-12-2016, 01:34 AM	#2
MikeAMS Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 364	a long time ago.. in a galaxy far far away __________________ E: [email protected] Skype: mikedejong22 W: http://www.islive.com , http://www.twero.com "Money often costs too much." Ralph Waldo Emerson

01-12-2016, 05:35 AM	#13
CaptainHowdy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Happy in the dark. Posts: 92,989	__________________ FLASH SALE INSANITY! deal with a 100% Trusted Seller Buy Traffic Spots on a High-Quality Network 1 Year or Lifetime — That’s Right, Until the Internet Explodes!

01-12-2016, 05:54 AM	#15
Penny24Seven So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: USA Posts: 6,289	This thread was to just show the shitty site I had first and how much it made. Maybe even get some laughs. Of course with anything shit changes. If not every person would be doing this. That is one reason it changes so much. I was the first ecig store in town. Now there are 6 and I am done. __________________ Our site is coming soon. It will be one of the best ever! I know so. Brian and Penny

01-12-2016, 08:53 AM	#22
Va2k I’m still alive barley. Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Va Posts: 10,060	WOW I looked at my first am site I did a lot of money https://web.archive.org/web/20020923...tp://va2k.net/ was using globill on this tour lmao __________________

01-12-2016, 01:46 AM	#5
Ferus Bye - Left to do stuff Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 4,109	I think times are better than ever. Everyone is online 4-5 hours a day, and the complexity of server/cluster/db configurations grows every year. Those sites that look for HA or Global CDN need specialists now more then ever before

01-12-2016, 03:55 AM	#9
adultchatpay Let's Make Money Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,784	Those were the good ol days!

01-12-2016, 05:30 AM	#12
HeadPimp Bad Mo-Fo Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 2,772	If I get what you are saying, it is that there is more than one way to skin the proverbial cat and lots of people miss that fact, and you are correct! Just because "that is how we've always done it" doesn't mean it is the only way.

01-12-2016, 05:39 AM	#14
kkkkkk svp get banned svp Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,628	Paul Markham pioneered light capture

01-12-2016, 09:08 AM	#24
MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	LOL this Mike guy sounds like your typical whiny European.

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01-07-2019, 07:10 PM	#32
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01-07-2019, 08:51 PM	#33
NatalieK Natalie K Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Spain Posts: 19,057	can´t see why this site was making so much money and yet the design and what was set up on it was changed so often... when something´s not broke, you don´t try fix it oh, and i´ve been filming custom vids for my fans since 2005, this is what sells and this is what makes the money... I film custom vids for my fans, inc. in the price of their pass, this giving a high retention ratio which is always good for affiliates __________________ My official site NatalieK.xxx My free porn & affiliate blog Natalie K affiliate program First time girls Skype: gspotproductions - "Converting traffic into income since 2005"

01-08-2019, 07:06 AM	#37
CaptainHowdy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Happy in the dark. Posts: 92,989	Go get 'em, Paul . . . __________________ FLASH SALE INSANITY! deal with a 100% Trusted Seller Buy Traffic Spots on a High-Quality Network 1 Year or Lifetime — That’s Right, Until the Internet Explodes!

03-09-2022, 03:18 PM	#40
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romeo22 你自己去他媽的 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 23,346	You had great ides of doing porn

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12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,779	Yeah……… You making any money today, __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.